Has there been a porn underground railroad thru Prague the last 7-8 years to bring these eastern european beauties to porn stardom? Silvia Saint, Monica Sweetheart, Sue Diamond, Daniella Rush, Julie Silver, Laura Lion, Bibi Fox, Ellen Saint just to name a few. Do porn producers have offices there signing girls up left and right? It is like the Mecca of porn. I was in Prague and I'm now sorry that I didn't get out in the City as much as I should have. Germany has only produced Katja Kassin and Anna Nova, but not too shabby.
I know these topics have been discussed before on ADT but it is strange how these 2 countries stand out for having so many more porn actresses compared to other countries.
If it was for economic reasons (eg: people earn less in Hungary than Germany) then why isn't Poland or Romania or Bulgaria better represented?
Is it to do with more liberal attitudes and weaker religious belief? But this tends to be more the case in Western Europe (Holland, Germany, Scandanavia).
So i really can't quite put my finger on why the Czech Rep. and Hungary dominate the porn scene so much in Europe.
In Austria there is a stereotype about Hungarians that they are hot as paprika and have a easy-going attitude towards sex, which reaches back to the time of Imperial&Royal Austro-Hungary.
And if one looks at the likes of Sophie Evans, Cassandra Wild, Michelle Wild, Angelica Bella, Krisztina Bella, etc. one might be tempted to say that this prejudice might actually be true.
Amongst other words from the Hungarian language which have become part of Austrian German is mulatsag(spelling?) (chaos, mayhem, wild party, orgy).
Maybe a bonus is, that their "ethnic origin" is not the typical (mixture of) romanic, germanic and slavic origin, but finno-ugristic. So their faces might be considered slightly exotic but not totally "strange" to the "normal" European/caucasian viewer.
Some of my ancestors have come from Czech. When I look into a mirror I have to say Czech blood - even after a few generations - makes beautiful people.
They definitely give Jenna Jameson, Jenna Haze, Hannah Harper, Calli Cox, Tiffany Mynx, Kylie Ireland, etc. a run for their money. Too bad there aren't euro-gonzo movies made. That would be ideal.
If you want 1 video that shows how beautiful these women are then it has to be The Ass Collector imo. The blonde in the very last scene especially is stunning.
Just see, if you walk in the streets of Prague for example, you will note, that every other girl looks like she want to do it right now. The rest are a little bit shy girls but their minds are usually more perverse than the first class.
I dont know too why is that, but Im happy it is. Its here so enjoy it.
Well I don't have a real theory about this either but can just confirm the fact that the average Czechian/ Hungarian girl is incredibly beautiful.
i am from Germany and have been to Prague and Budapest on a couple of vacations, and, while there are lots of amazing German girls, every other girl in these cities was really TO DIE FOR!! Me and my mates really spent our holidays with our mouths open and drooling...
I heard this also from others. But the point of irony is that she doesnt look like an "average czech girl". Her look is very interesting and simply different. Maybe thats why everybody loves her :-).
I don't think the women from that area are any more or less beautiful. I simply think they present themselves better whether it be through makeup, dress or mannerisms. They grab your attention by looking as stunning as they can.
Some American actresses give you the feeling that they're your buddy's little sister craving attention and learning how to put on makeup.
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I think its basically due to bigger porn agency activity. Prague and Budapest are full of agencies, Warsaw and Sofia are not.
The time for Prague seems in decline, however. First it started with Budapest. Less and less talent comes from there; recently Prague is said to face the same Problems. It seems it is mainly to rising prices due to EU-membership.
Finally a pity you did not go out more in Prague. The Czech girls are really good eye-candy (and more...!). Even better I liked Bukarest, though. I am wondering for a long time why no more Romanian girls fellow the steps of Sandra Romain.
I dont think that too little or less talents come from Czech. Over 2 years past I can see tens new girls appearing in movies.
Of course, the prices are rising. Renting, paying girls, production costs, everything counts against. Thats why production companies are leading towards Russia, Ukraine, etc.. Everything is cheaper there.
If spite of all that the new girls from Czech are still coming (also from Hungary but less). Thanks God for that. U know the money mantimes are playing big role, but between the girls there are differencies.
Especially czech girls are special. They are most willing, they do everything with smile on the face and they are drop dead gorgeous and naturally beautiful or at least interesting.
Counting everything together Im not afraid about Czech girls.
Mr. Peter
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I hope so much you are right, Mr. Peter. But actually Hungarian girls were drop dead gorgeous too. Still nowadays they are in decline.
In my opinion, Prague is the promised land for porn. I have been there 3 times this year and I am never disappointed. Beautiful, professional, PUNCTUAL girls in abundance.
Quaze
P.S. I shot several scenes with Lillian Tiger and she is off the charts!!!
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Quaze, are the girls you shoot in Prague Czech girls only?
Aren't there a few drops of Central Asian there too? The Mongols made it into Hungary. The Turks went to the gates of Vienna. The Bulgars (not the slavic people who took their name) and Cumans rode in the Hungary/Czech area. Avars, Alans, and even Saramatians once rode there. The Magyar finno-ugraic roots are about as old as those, older than some even.
You are right. Maybe this is really a hint about the beauty of Hungarians.
I consider most Asian and African women (in show-biz) not as beautiful or stunning. Or more accurately, I will probably say there are more beautiful women in a pool[1] of "European" women, compared to a pool of the same size consisting of "Asian" or "African" women. But show me a woman who is a "mixture", then they are almost always extremely beautiful (Bettina Campbell, Asia Carrera, Tia Carrere, e.g.).
Maybe others have the same "preferences" as I do.
[1] All women in the sample pool working in show-biz, so the real "dogs" are out anyway. edit - for footnote
I have known several women who were Chinese/German mixes, a Vietnamese/German, and several South Pacific Polynesian/Dutch/Asian/? mixes that were magnificent. They give the lie to "racial purity" theories.
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Posted - Nov 19 2004 : 9:39PM
What's an average Czech woman like? Of course the average number of gorgeous woman per thousand must be much higher than here in the US, but is the average Czech or Hungarian woman more sexually aggressive than we Americans are used to?
I mean if I were to walk into a bar in Prague can I expect to be hit on by women more often there than in the states? Would a first meeting more often lead to a sexual encounter? If so where's a cheap but good hotel? I'm booking a flight!
I dont want to disappoint you but I think its pretty much the same situation like in other countries. The difference is maybe that people here are usually open-minded, more bohemistic in their lives.
You have to get used to your girls. Not a few times a big No No will turn into a big Yes!. Hehe.....God bless czech girls.
I have been to Prague 3 or 4 times and i always thought the Czech women would be alot harder to hit upon.
For a start there are not many smiles...not much wild partying or groups of girls getting drunk and not many girls out on the town looking to 'pull'.
American girls are much more sociable and English girls are much more likely to get drunk and give 'it' up.
As far as 'looks' go i find myself at odds with my friends. They say there are loads of nice looking girls....i say it's because we were on holiday (with higher libido's) and there were no more good looking girls in Prague than you would find in central London say.
Prague does now seem on the decline, not as many pretty girls as in the past and the prices now make the productions more expensive than in los angeles, i think ukraine is the next frontier.
If mentioning frontiers, one has to recognize the globe to be finite! Wonder if humanspaceflight can stretch out this one Isn´t it an irony that the former atheistic communist countries that once tried to get rid of the negative sides of capitalism, formed and left behind thousands of now willing young women who are not restricted by religious or any other sort of western morale conception.
are you sure about Ukraine? Well I have seen tomorrow a short movie about life in Ukraine, especially social life. It was horrible, shocking. Theres a lot of HIV, tuberculosis, poor hygiene. Almost 10% of people in Odesa are HIV infected! I would afraid about Ukraine.
Peter
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I would be inclined not to believe all this horror stories we hear of Ukraine today. And even if they were true, it still means that 90% of Odessa girls are healthy. Judging from the few Ukrainian porn girls, I can only dream of more Ukrainian girls in porn!
Besides, Erik Everhard just proves my feares about Prague and Budapest getting simply too expensive. It would be interesting to hear other porn directors and producers opinions on the Prices in Prague.
If Euro-Girls cost the same as in LA than no Euro-Porn will produced anymore by all those American director talents. That would be really shocking news.
well, I still hope that the US producers are not only coming to europe because of the lower prices but also because of the absolute fabulous girls!
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I thill would think the price vs quality relation has to be right. In this sense I am really worried about Erik Everhards statement. Hopefully he - or any other US-directors shooting in Prague - sheads more light on that soon!
I cannot judge from my point, but I think price vs. quality girls & services plays now major role in Czech.
I also can see that everything in here are more expensive.
Maybe If the directors like Erik, Steve Holmes etc. will not shoot anymore here the new directors may appear and start to shoot here.
For our girls that want to do porn the turning interest to East Europe can be bad. Today they still can shoot for the best companies in the world and make high quality movies and good money with a good attitude and services. If the most important and well established studios will go outta here, the opportunities to make a good porn will be much less.
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Of course it will be less! But the only possibility to keep long term interest I see is to considerably lower prices and that probabely equals a level at which no beautiful Czech girl wants to work for porn anymore. Thus the only way out is to have porn girls from lower wage countries, i.e. abroad doing the work in Prague. If that is not possible (due to immigration policy etc), I am afraid porn companies will move further east towards Ukraine, Russia etc as Erik Everhard sais.
In my opinion it was always unfair that good looking girls from Eastern Europe get paid less than the silicon stars from LA.
To understand my opinion you have to know that Im from Austria, we are the 4th richest country in the European Union, but from here you only have to cross border into Hungary, Slovakia or Czech and you think youre in a completely different world...huge areas in these countries still look as they did during the Communist regimes.
So from a European point of view its a good thing that these countries finally catch up economy-wise. And the girls from Eastern Europe sure deserve equal pay for equal work...even if this means that we can expect fewer productions in future.
First of all, this is not true for the rest of the economy. Skoda belongs 100% to Volkswagen. A Skoda worker in Czech Republic earns about 10% of what a Volkswagen worker in Wolfsburg earns. Volkswagen invested billions of Dollars in Czech Republic because of that fact. If the wages would be equal, they wouldn't have done this.
It is more expensive for American based companies to shoot abroad. A business class ticket with Lufthansa from Los Angeles to Prague costs over 8,000.- Dollar. Plus hotel, restaurant and taxi bills this is a huge portion of the production costs. It is also more difficult to shoot good porn abroad, because of the language barrier.
If there is no price benefit, there is no incentive in shooting outside of the porn valley.
Steve Holmes
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Right on. I dont see a reason why the porn industriy should have different wages like the rest of the industry in Czech. I dont know about American Porn VAlley investments in Prague, it certainly does not amount to what Volkswagen invested into Skoda. But of course there must be a visible price cut by producing abroad.
But Steve, please tell us: Is Erik right?! Does it really start to look so bad for Prague?
I am anxious because I really d like a lot of those Prague girls. But than I dont know how many of them are actually Czech...
The incentive for shooting abroad is the demand for fresh faces. However, companies have to watch the bottom line and if, as Steve noted, the exchange rate makes the production costs too high then they can't afford to go abroad. What American companies need is a stronger dollar to drive their costs down.
It is worse for Erik than for me, because he already shot so much in Prague that all the good girls are already in his movies. I've done only two movies in Prague so far.
The last two or three years, a lot of Americans came to Prague. Also the European directors who mainly work for the U.S. market like Rocco Siffredi, Christophe Clark, David Perry, Jean Yves LeCastel, Manuel Ferrara and myself.
Supply and demand dictates the prices. The top girls can choose their jobs and still work nearly every day. In the same time the dollar lost about 50% of it's value.
The rates are still lower than in the states, but when you add all the extra costs of traveling it became more expensive to shoot in Prague than in L.A. And there are no "fresh new faces" because so many American productions were there.
It's also much more convenient to shoot in L.A. The infrastructure is so much better.
Steve Holmes
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Now I am really worried about Euro-porn: Do you see a viable European solution for the fresh faces draught in Prague, Steve? How? Where?
There will always be European porn. It just became less interesting for Americans to travel there. I have my apartment in Budapest and I can shoot there without extra costs. PXP distributes my movies and there is always a reason for me to fly to L.A. While I'm here I also produce movies, but most times I'm in Europe. That's the same situation for Rocco Siffredi, Christophe Clark, David Perry, Jean Yves LeCastel and others. We can take our time and shoot a new girl when she arrives.
When an American company flies in, they have to shoot at least 3 movies at once to justify the travel expenses.
So all that can save the place is to restore the situation in Prague about 2 years ago/Budapest about 4 years ago, before the fresh-Euro-girls draught. But how?!!! Somebody must seriousely tackle this issue, before it is too late!
Write a proposal to the Commissioners of Trade and Culture of the EU about securing inherent European cultural values in the spirit of these French media regulations and about the contribution of the adult industry to the balance of trade between the US and EU and therefore demanding EU-funding.
SCNR
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(I hope the market is able to regulate itself, though)
I'd really like to know the position of some major European porn agencies on this issue... I mean it is their profit which is at stakes now!
What about France? French women are really hot. You hardly ever see any of them (Melissa Lauren, Nomi, Rebecca Lord only ones I know of. Sophie Evans?). Set up production in France. Do Producers have to pay the Czech govn't or cities for a fee to shoot in their town or have to apply for a license to shoot like Hollywood has to?
