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All Forums > Sex Talk > Sex Talk Forum Page 52 > Women of this forum (even men), HELP ME PLEASE!!!
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VictoriO
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379 Posts
8/01
Posted - Oct 26 2003 : 1:18PM
Some time ago, I knew this woman who was/is thirteen years older than me. She was a very pretty and fervid lady. Anyway, most importantly, her character was full of flaws and full of sh**. She's told me that her husband used to abuse her (she didn't say whether it was physically, emotionally, mentally, verbally or sexually; not that to me it matters of which). Her personality was in upheavel and she was slowly trying to construct herself. She didn't know who she was anymore. Although she had got a divorce from the man, she still sees him because they have three children. One night, she called me and said that she wanted me to see her perform at a strip club. I felt down about it and it had nothing to do with insecurities. I just never felt right seeing a woman whom I may come closer with exploiting herself like that. Especially a woman who I've just met who claims to be a 'victim'. But, then... I may be contradicting myself, because if I had the chance to have a day with a porn star that I used to watch randomly, I'd love to spend the time with umm....

anyhow... this lady had been taken advantage of from time to time, in many aspects. She's even had things stolen from her. So, I've told her about some of my personality problems and asked her why she works at a strip club. I was trying to give her hints about me as a person and give her a lot of conversation. She had the audacity to ask me "Are you gay?" I'm wondering "Where is that coming from?" She says she feels femininity in me. I was, and am now, a very mild-mannered and nice person without me patronizing and brown-nosing people. Here I am trying to give this woman conversation, enthusiasm and trying to heal her and she thinks I am 'soft' and 'gay'. What does this tell me? Maybe she'd like another hard-hearted guy who can beat the total crap out of her, as well as placing money and materialism over her and everything else. I mean, there's nothing wrong with masculinity and testosterone, unless it's just attitude and overtly cocky... Some females like the kind of guys who are cocky and who happen to appear to be abusive, intimidating... that is not me. Some females like guys who are stupid because it gives them the ability to control them and 'teach' them things. That, alone, can make someone feel at the top of the canyon. People love controlling other people.

So, one time I've called her and she's hung up the phone on me and we've never spoke since. I've known a lot of people, especially females, who like being abused; for example, this lady and even my mother's sister (unfortunately, my aunt). My aunt liked the kind of guys who were intimidating in looks and I've seen her with bruises and with her back teeth knocked out! She'd always go on about how "He's gonna beat me. He's gonna kick my ass!"

Although it's only cinema, it had really frightened me to see this French movie entitled "The Piano Teacher" with this actress named Isabelle... forgot her last name. That film and even books reveal the origin of these destructions. It can be a psychological disorder that contains phobias, surpression, curiousity, pain and vulnerability. "The Piano Teacher" told the story about a music-teacher who had a disgusting craving for S&M and she's played mind games with one of her male students. Finally, he's had enough and he gives her more than S&M. He beats her bloody and THEN has sex with her!

Nietzche said that "whoever says they can see through women has a lot to learn." Nietzche is one of my favorite thinkers, quoters and artists. Everyone is dysfuntional from man, woman and child. It's only easier to see the male dysfunctions for three reasons. Guys, including myself, are tired of apologizing to people for who they are, what they want and their instincts. It's gotten to the point now that many of us are starting to merely feel like push-overs.

I remember back when I had first entered high school, an old friend of mine who had his way with girls and women and I knew a lot of it he never lied about. One of the first things he's told me when I first stepped into high school was that... "You can't be nice to these females, man!" On a note, he gave females conversation, but he never patronized and brown-nosed them by spending money on them and he wasn't a push-over. I've witnessed how he almost gave two females on two occassions a beat-down out of anger toward these particular two females! These two females would curse him out, lie on him, threaten him, even! He'd get in their faces about it and sometimes, at the end of the day, some females would not like him at all. Some, though, still liked him a lot! So, guys are supposed to put up with garbage from females just because they are females?

What should I do? I'm not on the verge of turning abusive, because that is not me! I have a mind of my own, but... lately I've been wondering... should I keep being nice to these females? These very few females are really starting to change my mind about the rest of them and this isn't the way it should be!

Edited by - victorio on Oct 26 2003

lindi
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3205 Posts
9/02
Posted - Oct 26 2003 : 1:51PM
That's your answer.

Most women don't seek abuse. If a guy ever laid a hand on me in anger, I'd be gone.

Why are you seeking out the very few females who do seem to want to be abused?

If it's your nature to be gentle, be gentle, be yourself, and look for women who like that. There are plenty.

skronker
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9780 Posts
9/02
Posted - Oct 26 2003 : 3:31PM
Nietzsche also said, "You speak of woman, bring me a whip." Or some such. Maybe your friend would be happier with Mr. N.

Anyway, just be yourself, man, and compatible souls will flock your way.

Renee
Member

765 Posts
8/03
Posted - Oct 26 2003 : 4:55PM
Victorio asked:

...Although it's only cinema, it had really frightened me to see this French movie entitled "The Piano Teacher" with this actress named Isabelle...

The actress is Isabelle Huppert, and it was a wonderful performance. The movie was sort of disturbing; the main character was watching a lot of rough sex or BDSM porn, and thought she would enjoy getting treated like that for real. But when she found the young man who would go along with her fantasies, it didn't turn out to be so great after all.

I agree with Lindi's post above; just be yourself, don't let a few women and their problems overwhelm you. In my life, I've had some serious problems with 1-2% of the men I've met, but I realize that that doesn't mean the other 98% of men are all awful.

Don't be too upset about being asked if you are gay, by a woman. Women don't have the big hang-ups about it that men can have. I know my cousin Melissa once asked a male friend if he was gay, just out of curiousity, and she was surprised when he was offended.

Sir Noel Plum
Senior Studmuffin

1001 Posts
2/03
Posted - Oct 26 2003 : 6:18PM
I heard a woman on a radio programme make a very interesting point. The lady had worked for many years in womens refuges and she said something along the lines of 'this is something that is never said in our business but half the women I have helped have sought out violent and abusive men and then seem surprised when they get hit'. She went on to state that quite typically when an argument arose some of these women would goad their violent partner with the specific aim of making them boil over into a violent attack. The purpose of this, the speaker claimed, was that then the 'victim' could claim the moral high ground and 'win' the argument.

On a personal note I can back this lady up. I go out drinking much less nowadays but several year ago I used to frequent the local pub several days a week. Three or four of the regular male drinkers were aggressive and violent individuals who would happily start a fight with anyone (any other male) that they took a dislike to. The interesting thing was that these guys had no trouble whatsoever wooing the local ladies almost all of whom were only too aware of their violent characters: in fact I'd go further and say that these girls loved the idea of a violent boyfriend who would give some poor fella a good kicking for saying or doing something out of place. What never ceased to amaze me was how shocked they and everybody else would be when they themselves eventually found themselves on the end of a good hiding. This to me highlights where I slightly disagree with Lindis' point: I don't think many of these women want to be abused, rather they simply like the idea of having a boyfriend who beats up other men and they somehow assume that because they are female they can expect to be treated diferently.

Victorio,
I agree with what many others have said. I think you are aiming your sights at the wrong ladies.
Whatever you do you will never win with them all: hold the door open for them and half of them will think you sexist; walk through the door first and the other half will think you rude! I say you do what I do, you hold the door open because that is your way and you concern yourself with those that appreciate it and ignore those that don't.
Any woman who has been in a string of abusive relationships is either the victim of a mathematically astronomically unlikely chain of bad luck or they are attracted to these ne'er do wells and you've just got to leave them to it because, I'm afraid my mate, you'll never satisfy them because your just too safe and nice. Stick with the women who appreciate what you bring to the table, that's my advice.

SNP.




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