First of all, stereotypical black guys GET HIRED. Same with rap. Do record companies hire black bands? Name two black bands. Ten years ago you could name ten of them. It's the quick and easy buck that comes from the non-union rappers. (unless that's finally been changed) Black musicians...real college trained musicians have to go to Europe and Asia to succeed. And i'm not only talking jazz. R&B bands have it hard too. So what's left are the ignorant fools who have no problem with a negative image. THEY DON'T SPEAK FOR US. Then CERTAIN white folks come out and say that blacks are responsible. Sometimes that's true. A sellout is a sellout. (Shane and a few others comes to mind) But like KILLBILL and I have been trying to tell ya'll, those folks are the minority. Many of you are also finding this discussion as simply an excuse to say, nigga in bold letters. (such an old transparent, dangerous game) While thinking you understand black people and what they go through. Let's face it, Killbill. Some of our non-black 'friends', here, have CHOSEN to remain misinformed with an attitude. (at least I think they're non-black) In fact, I wonder how many of them live in urban areas and actually know black people. Porn is a world where they hold stereotypes high. As if the fucking is better by putting people in such stupid categories. The sex would still be hot even if everybody was polite and said, "please and thank you" every other word. Like someone already said, that fact that black women have NO CHOICE with IR and do not get paid more for it, proves there's a double standard. Racism exists. Stop pretending like it doesn't. And i said that I would not get sucked into this discussion anymore. I just wanna get sucked.
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Great post, Skyscraper. Thumbs up!
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Blah, blah, blah. And your point is? Black women do too have a choice in porn. They can do I/R porn, they can do B On B, and they can not do porn. The same as white girls. Non I/R, I/R, and not doing porn. Of course they are not going to get paid more for doing a white guy in because there is no major demand for it in porn. White guys doing a black girl is to be revered, while a white girl doing a black guy is still cause for alarm. That is because of all the thuggish behavior put forth by the porn companies and the thugs in porn, excluding Sean Michaels. Under the laws of supply and demand, no major demand for something means prices tend to fall. Thus the average black woman in porn faces the same obstacles of the other 500 B and C list girls waiting for a call to do shoot. Too much supply and not enough demand. And as far as me understanding or not understanding what blacks go through, that argument has exactly 14 days of shelf life left. 2 black bands would be Black Eyed Peas, and Destiny's Child. And yes, Fergie is only a partial, and Destiny's Child is currently on hiatus, but I wasn't in the mood to actually spend a lot of time looking for others, but a quick peruse of a Rolling Stone would easily provide a few more.
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Posted - Jan 6 2009 : 12:14AM
^^Again the bs line there is no major demand for it in porn. White guys doing a black girl is to be revered, while a white girl doing a black guy is still cause for alarm."whatever. Back when the porn industry was still considered taboo and was not a multibillion dollar industry, IR porn was not saturating the market like today (Black guy/White Girl). And like back then, some studios realized that black men were dating white women and so they started to release those types of IR movies. Now this is 2009, we've come so far now, you see Black Girls dating White men all the time, but yet the porn industry wants to just keep making the same IR porn, Black guy/White girl, because they know it sells. But I bet it does not sell as great as it used to when that genre was not so saturated. It is not at all cause for alarm that a white chick is dating or fucking a black guy. If so then you must be stuck back in the 70's for sure. Shit I am going to tell Black Market that they have all the Black Babes of porn in thier movies, they do IR porn with white chicks, add somemore white guys doing the sexy ebony babes and it will sell good. I support the black women of porn and will continue to buy thier all girl and IR movies. Nothing against the black men in porn or fans, I just am not into seeing black guys doin the white/asian/latin chicks nor all black movies. And so Skyscrapper knows, I live in an urban area of Toronto, have friends of all cultural backgrounds and have dated women of colour over the past 14 years. I agree with everything you said too. I find the women of colour to be more natural too. Big booty, big tits. Everything about Jada Fire and Marie Luv for example is natural. Unlike 90% of the typical blondes that are in or have been in porn.
Doesn't the supply and demand argument only confirm what everyone has essentially been saying?: the use of race and stereotypes solely to bolster the element of fantasy and sell. Particularly with regard to black men, as one’s race is basically immutable, certain attributes assigned to the black men’s sexual prowess and attitudes are also seen as immutable, rendering the men mere props in a fantasy. Their race, as set by the film’s theme or as interpreted by the viewer, becomes a vehicle for the fantasy. "Thuggish" black men (whether they are or not IRL is irrelevant) becomes a fetish element, if you will... and directors, producers, and the actors involved use dessentialization as a key part because without it, the fantasy of interracial sex dissolves. It relies on the taboo element(which you openly admit) for its very existence as a genre by way of actions, words, and appearances i.e. thuggish over sexed black men on innocent, unsuspecting white women feeds the viewer exactly what he or she wants by way of appeasing the need to see what he or she expects. The same with mainstream hip-hop/rap, 70% of people who purchase hip-hop/rap are white suburban kids and as a result there is a certain image that is expected in order to sell. White kids don't want nor pay to hear an educated, socially conscious rapper, they want 50 Cent/Lil Jon/Lil Wayne. Part of Akon's appeal was his supposed criminal past and hard luck upbringing, only to be revealed his greatest offence was a traffic ticket. Lil Wayne went to the University of Houston with a major in political science. Of course some blacks are not exempt of responsibility over portrayal of stereotypes, but then again many whites seem to have a demand for only certain portrayals of black men. Thanks Captain Obvious, we did not know these women chose to do porn. The point is a black woman who refuses to do interracial scenes will not have much if any career, and doing interracial is not seen as hindrance to her career opposed to white women who are actively encouraged not to. That's not supply and demand... that's a double standard and racism. haha, so the minute Barak Obama is sworn in???I'm pretty sure the poster had in mind people who played and arranged their own music, using a manufactured pop group and defunct girl group known more for being scantily clad than playing instruments are not good examples of bands.
This is going to be my last post in this thread, but the laws of supply and demand don't always work when it comes to porn. There is a major shortage of consumer feedback when it comes to porn. For example there is only a demand for say 50 I/R titles a month. Studio's don't really seem to care whether or not their releases are any good, just as long as they meet their demand.
My only problem with IR porn is the standard used to cast dudes. Thuggish or not, oftentimes the black guys cast are just not that attractive. If he's black, that's enough. This just in: There are black guys girls think are hot and there are black guys girls find hideous (and everywhere in between). A wide variety of fit, attractive black guys would make a huge difference. In fact, I'm inclined to wonder aloud if part of the reason white girls often won't do black guys in porn is because the black guys that are "available to work with are ugly, out of shape guys. Or they're guys who have to play to the whole thug mentality. *A really hot IR scene I just watched is Mariah Milano in South Beach Cruisin. That was well done imo.*
^^This argument does not prove out. Fit black men with big dicks are a requirement. Excepting the BBW and big butt, (these two overlap) genre Black women are in great shape. You guy really haven't watched any black porn. Edited by - ntfighter on 1/6/2009 1:44:56 PM
There is, obviously, no need to continue. Nothing wrong with the discussion but it helps to know what you're talking about. On the music front, you went right for the one band, ONLY SOME PEOPLE, could name. The Black Eyes Peas are not a household name, say like EARTH WIND AND FIRE, or KOOL AND THE GANG, or THE OHIO PLAYERS, or GAP BAND. Get my point? BEP's are still a cult band with and without Fergie. They are more famous separately than they are together. Trust me. I work in the entertainment field in NYC. Broadway, TV, concerts, and more. I also wrote for men's magazines in the 90's. Swank, Gallery, Genesis, etc.
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And that is why a lot of women in porn refuse to do I/R! You're romanticizing the whole concept of I/R porn and porn in general. You can talk about the actors sexual prowess and the fantasy all you want in an attempt to glorify something rather sleazy. Most if not all I/R porn is sleazy. It's all white ho's and bitches doing the bros and niggas (note the non capital letters) etc. For the most part, as I have to clarify there are exceptions to every rule, porn is and will always be a sleazy business and the companies that produce porn are rather sleazy and filled with unscrupulous people. All the name changing and glossy box covers don't cover up the fact that's it a bunch of guys from the hood spanking off a load on some white girls face. And that is why the average girl doesn't want to do I/R porn. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks Captain Obvious, we did not know these women chose to do porn. The point is a black woman who refuses to do interracial scenes will not have much if any career, and doing interracial is not seen as hindrance to her career opposed to white women who are actively encouraged not to. That's not supply and demand... that's a double standard and racism. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Baloney, sorry that argument is running thin. Maybe the black girls in porn should reconsider their career choice then. Except for a few, the average black woman in porn really isn't that attractive. Bruce Seven once said, I'd love to make an all black all girl film, but there just aren't enough attractive black women in porn. Yes you may love them, but overall, the quality of black women in porn is lacking, Marie Luv excluded. Given the small demand for black women overall in porn, they have to take what they can get, not a double standard, just what the market is. The funny thing is, if a company decided to have an all black female line called, "White Plantation owners and their black bitch slaves" or something like that, it'd cause an uproar. I'm also sure the first time the white male talent said to the average black female porn star, say "Lordy lordy massah, stick your white cock in my black bitch slave ass or mouth!" she'd kick him in the balls. Now I know your comment is going to be, "That's racist!" but it's just the exact same thing as the average Black guy/white girl porn with the roles reversed. And "That's not racist, it's fantasy!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- haha, so the minute Barak Obama is sworn in??? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So the minute Barack Obama is sworn in, the whole, "I"m black, there's a double standard" ceases to be an excuse. I'm paraphrasing DL Hughley on that one.
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Well, like I said, I didn't feel like getting up to look in a Rolling Stone. I've actually worked EWF and KaTG, they weren't just the first 2 that came to mind. I listen to country. Edited by - knuckle kids on 1/6/2009 2:35:47 PM
Come on admit it everyone recognizes a fit attractive human when they see one. If only to hate them a little. The black guys are fit, there can be no dispute there. Maybe you don't find black men attractive no matter how they look. Lots of guys here don't think there are any attractive black women. It obviously not a matter of appearance, but something else. How about this, if you consume a meat substitute, Tofu for example, and expect it to taste like meat you will be disappointed. You cant say that Tofu is not good nutritious food in its own right. If you watch porn expecting the black men to look like the white men you will be disappointed. You cant say the black men are not attractive. Attractive men in good physical condition thats what appeals to women. Right? Edited by - ntfighter on 1/6/2009 7:25:23 PM
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Well that's interesting considering Venice was just sent up for rape and Max was convicted of federal obscenity charges. And there is a stereotype of white guys in the industry as sexual predators who prey on women in the business. Perhaps you didn't realize that because you were too busy finding ways to denigrate Blacks.You've only provided one example. And I could find more examples of white guys acting like sexual abusers than you could with Blacks acting in some way that you imagine them to all act.Your logic isn't holding up here. So you're saying that the industry is sleazy, which is a given, but IR scenes are also sleazy so that's why white women won't do scenes with Blacks? So you're attempting to rank the sleaze and determine which type of sleaze is more acceptable to their sensibilities?
I might not be a porn star but I do IR almost everyday. And I look like America. I've done IR in NYC, California, Arizona, Georgia, Tennessee, West Virginia, D.C., Curacao, France, England, India, Germany, Japan, Swtizerland, Israel and Canada. They were all average women and above average. I've done liberal chicks and conservatives ones. Christian, Jews & Muslims. Some women just love black dick. (you might know some...country music boy) Porn is no different. There are only certain porn girls that don't do IR but I would bet the majority does. And I definitely bet they do it in their personal lives if not on camera. It's Cali.
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My logic holds up quite nicely, you're just trying to change the topic at hand which is White girls doing I/R, not white guy sexual abusers as you say. Still havent't heard of any white guy stereotypes. Mentioning Max Hardcore is useless because he was found guilty on federal obscenity charges, not sexual assualt. As far as Jack Venice being convicted of rape, was that in porn or outside porn? It was outside, thus irrelevant to why white girls don't do I/R. I'm not looking for ways to denegrate blacks, as I've said, blacks do a good enough job of that themselves. As far as black guy thuggery in Porn, if you really want examples here are approximately 81 examples of blacks doing a very good job of denegrating themselves: Gangland 61 Release Info: Devil's Film, 2007 Black Bros Bangin' White Ho's 5 My Daughter's Fucking Blackzilla 16 That's more than 2.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah,, but you doing I/R is not the topic at hand, it's why white girls don't do I/R in porn. And the majority of girls don't do I/R. And jeez, since I'm getting called country music boy,Have you listened to country music lately? It's not bigoted and racist, there is love of god in country music, heartbreak, killings, drinking, but at no point is any bitch or ho slapped around, and certainly nobody is put down because of their race like in rap. And then there is the use of the word nigga (again in small letters)in rap. You don't hear that in country.
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No, it's just the truth hurts and you know I'm right.
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And because Venice didn't rape a woman on a movie set his behavior doesn't count? Rubbish. But this is the evidence you want to put forward to explain why white women don't do scenes with Blacks? Because I can put foward even more evidence to make the case that they do scenes with white males that are far worse, where physical abuse occurs and where all manner of degenerate behavior is displayed. From the hundreds of titles Max Hardcore has churned out, to the garbage that Duke Skywalker puts out with women being abused in various ways, or Khan Tuscion or others of his ilk. And the garbage those idiots have churned out is far more voluminous and far worse than any generic self-mockery nonsense from the likes of Shane Diesel. And you still haven't answered why you consider white/white scenes to be sleazy but not as bad as Black/White scenes which you also consider sleazy but somehow worse. Edited by - Zaer on 1/7/2009 2:33:05 AM
Dammit, after this I'm done. 1)You're not right or wrong, you just have a 4th grade level of reading comprehension skills and the deductive logic of a functioning retard. First, how does the words "fantasy and sexual prowess"= "romanticizing" when I did not use ADJECTIVES to modify them and give more information about their intended definition. In context, replace "fantasy" with theme, illusion, movie, simulated reality etc. and "sexual prowess" with sexuality, sexual aptitude, sexual role, etc. and it will not change the meaning at all. In general, they were not a self-evident truth, but rather formal logical expressions used in deduction to build a theory. To axiomatize a counter argument is to show that its claims can be derived from well-understood set of sentences. Had I said "glorious fantasy" or "godly sexual prowess," then you would have argument??? Secondly, the relative sleaziness of porn isn't remotely relevant to the topic. The average girl won't do interracial because it's so sleazy, yet licking a toilet or letting 15 white guys call her a dirty slut/whore while they cum on her face is ok. Sure! I thought it was very clear that the first entry was about the interplay between race portrayals and stereotypes being driven by consumer expectations and yet you randomly counter with "porn is sleazy" and interracial porn even more so. That's another topic.Thanks! Without that note, I was completely unaware that they're not being used as proper names of movie titles, but as regular adjectives to express your own opinions therefore no caps. were necessary.
2) Once again you show off that 4th grade reading level. The subjective attractiveness of the women aside, the inequality in terms of pay and perceived notions of career hindrance between black women and white women even though they perform the same tasks was the issue at hand. 3) Did you even follow the campaign trail? Undercover racists came out the wood works. As long as there are people who judge other people based on the color of their skin, there will be double standards. Barak's presidency is a double standard itself. Whether you want to admit it or not, future minority candidates are going to be judged by success or failure of his presidency. If Barak Obama turns out to be a terrible president, any future black candidates can forget about it for the next 30 years. Bush is a terrible president, but no matter how bad he was/is, his incompetence will not be seen as representative of white men/women or held against the next white candidate.
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It's a cultural thing. Many parts of America are still hung up on the race issue, some consciously others unconsciously. How many pornstars from Europe, Canada, and South America don't do interracial? Virtually none. I don't think it's a big deal though really. There are so many stars that do so it's really a dead issue.
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How do I think I/R porn is sleazier than regular porn? Easy! Any opening to any Gangland scene where the white girl is all alone and the 3 brothas come in and come on to her in a mock forcing of themselves on her way. They are all ghetto with her, and barely a minute ever goes by without the performers calling attention to the fact that "she's white taking that big black cock", or "she needs that black cock in her mouth!" or "Get nasty with that black cock" or "stick that black cock in this little white whore" I love how Bree Olson says that! This goes on in just about all I/R porn, the constant calling attention to the black/white angle adding to the sleaze factor. You don't hear the white guys double teaming the white girl saying, "Take that white cock!" etc etc. In the wh/wh porn, half the guys spend more time complimenting the other's junk than the girl. That's why I think I/R porn is sleazier than white porn. No comments on Duke Skywalker or Khan Tusion as I no nothing of their work. As far as why white girls will do a Max Hardcore shoot before a Gangland, or a Max film in general, it's simple. They are brain dead newbie idiots doing porn, not established stars for the most part, except for the ones on the way down and are looking for a booking. They are blinded by the "Star" of Jenna & Tera and a few others and decide to do porn. They go into an agent's office, and say "I want to be a star." The agent says, "Great! Will you do 3 brothas in a Gangland shoot?" "No?" "How about and anal shoot with Max Hardcore? He's real popular. He might get a little rough with you, draw on your face with lipstick, piss on you, etc, but it's all in good fun, and he is white!" (In best idiot voice) "He He, Can I also fart milk out and drink it?" "Sure baby! Whatever you like!" "MMMM, Okay, I'll do it!" In regards to Venice, Was he out on bail and doing porn while he was not in custody? If he was doing porn while out on bail, that's everyone's concern, not white, black, asian or whatever, and everyone involved whether it be the director, producer, porn company should have kicked the guy off the set. There are no excuses for that. If anybody did work with him if he was out on bail, well, shame on them, they are just showing their true colors. But you know as well as I do that during the Darren James era and the so called moratorium on shooting until everything was sorted out, porn companies were worried about not having product and were secretly shooting no condom porn. It's all about the $$$$$. The talent are just pieces of meat, who cares about what happens to them. But then again, he is allowed to have a right to employment and he's a good guy that bad things have happened to, and it wasn't his fault, he was also at the wrong place at the wrong time, and noone really knows what happened except the people involved. *******(Last line is tongue in cheek, and a compilation of other's comments on various threads about what fine upstanding people make up the world of porn!)
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By calling me a retard in your very 1st sentence you indicate that my argument are right and yours make no sense what so ever. You lost all credibility instantly, but I'll humor the reading audience at the expense of your statements. I actually have a reading comprehension level of someone who has 20 years of education. I do! But if you constantly compare it to a 4th grader, you've reached your level of competence. The word "fantasy" was used period. Theme, illusion etc etc etc was not. By using any of the words you use to describe a gangland film and the people in it, is romantisizing it, pure and simple. It's a bunch of thugs triple teaming a white girl. It's not a fantasy at all, it's smut, pure and simple. The guys aren't rocket scientists and they aren't curing cancer. It's a bunch of black guys sticking it to a white girl, it getting filmed and them getting paid. Levels of pay are dictated strictly by supply and demand. Black girl white guy porn is a not a high demand item, thus pay is less. Maria Luv is awesome and possibly Jada Fire is hot also, but other than that, not too many are worth a look. I made the small letters comments to address the concerns that I was just looking for a reason to say NIGGA and that I was enjoying the use of the word, when the opposite was true. I was calling attention to the constant use of "My Nigga dick this" etc As far as Undercover Racists on the campaign trail, you are right, plenty of blacks as well as whites spent an ordinate amount of time on Obama's race. Obama ran for President as a guy, not a black guy, and appeared very Presidential. The double standard item ends as soon as he's sworn in. At that point, truly anyone can aspire to president. And you are right about future candidates being judged based on Obama's 1 term presidency. No question about it, because from this point on, there's going to have to be a black candidate whether he is remotely qualified to be president or not. Kind of like black actors being nominated for an Academy Award. As soon as Jamie Fox, Denzel, and Halle won their oscars it was like it was required to have a black actor nominated in each category. No question about it, Bush was a lousy President, but Obama and future black presidential candidates in general are going to suffer for it. That is the only part of your post that truly is credible. Edited by - knuckle kids on 1/7/2009 8:10:07 PM
If you don't think its a big deal you haven't thought it through to its logical conclusion. Confined to parts of America? Porn valley is in California. How many young people are getting their first exposure to other cultures from porn. You can see the result from the posts in this thread. The firmly held belief, clung to in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that all black men are thuggish. If the larger American culture is ok with racism in this instance then its ok with it where you work or go to school.
Ok, I'm a hypocrite and a racist. I've already said that. Now I'm a liar too because I said I'm done here. I'm not done here. I think the word you are looking for is "Denigrate. I usually don't bitch about sp's but I think this one is important. I went on with my personal experience in I/R dating over a two year period of time and in that time I never heard the derogatory name used by anybody. Sure some dude called me a "cracker," I wasn't offended. To say that "blacks do a good enough job of denigrating themselves" is complete bullshit. Are you saying that Bill Cosby denigrates people with dark skin? You are taking your own bias and broadening it by 100 times. I am a member of 3 dating sites, I looked in depth tonight about white women seeking black men and you probably won't believe this but not once was there a reference to "derogatory name" cock. Sure there was Big Black Cock requests. And when you go deep into some ad's they used a derogatory name, but that is their decision. And in my I/R dating experience I have never had a black woman say "Stick your Big White cock in my (derogatory name) Pussy" But I have had black girls say, "Stick your big white cock in my nice tight pink pussy," Not that I'm hung or anything, I think all girls get off in one way or another by saying BIG COCK. The whole I/R thing is completely animalistic whether it is Black Dude on White Chick or White Dude on Black Chic. I've been there I know it. The whole saying "Once you go black, you never come back" is somewhat true. The black girls I have dated are like "The big hung black guy thing is a myth" and well, is it? Now the black guys who date white girls are probably hung like a horse, this is just my opinion. But when you have 100 women seeking 10 dicks, it is pretty good odds that you are going to have either a harem or an endless supply of pussy. Sorry if I offended anybody, but fuck.
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Ok, that all may be true, but the topic is I/R in Porn, not Breeze's encounters in real life. And since you're correcting grammer, I just copied what was presented in front of me, and it went through spell check. But thanks for the grammer lesson, I appreciate it, I'll sleep better tonight.
I lied. I didn't call you retarded, I said you have the deductive logic of a functioning retard. And you continue to confirm that. Fantasy is a neutral term. There is nothing inherently good or bad about it unless you use adjectives to modify it. This is basic grade school knowledge and the fact you can't comprehend this is very telling of your 20 year education. By definition it is forming mental images especially those that are extravagant and unrestrained. Obviously you ascribe romantic notions to the term with or without adjectives. If a woman told you "I have a fantasy," they're being extremely vague. You don't know whether it's sexual or if involves spending 48 hours watching marathon reruns of The Hills or getting punched in the head by Kimbo. Some men and women have sexual (<---note ADJECTIVE) fantasies akin to cheesy romantic movies, other have fantasies that are so depraved, dirty and nasty it would make Sasha Grey blush. In fact there are people who would say anything "sexual" is inherently dirty, derogatory in nature and some like you who think "fantasy" is a romantic term. So would you validate those who say you can't combine sexual and fantasy, because "fantasy" is romanticizing dirty, derogatory "sexual"? You can call interracial bm/ww porn whatever you like, but doesn't change the fact people fantasize and pay to see their fantasy come to life. Let's be honest, you are cloaking your racism in the guise of being morally outraged at the treatment of ww by bm when there's tons of freak nasty shit being done to white women in porn without a black man in sight but you don't give a damn about that. You're racist, plain and simple.Yes, we call them porn stars. Supply and demand is a factor, but I don't think it is the only the factor. And your wording is implying that the cause and correlation is the attractiveness of the women involved. So by that that logic, Marie Luv and Jada Fire ought to be receiving equal pay for their interracial scenes. I find black women attractive just not most in porn. I don't follow nor care about the Academy Awards, but a quick google search revealed that since to 2002, black actor nominations increased by .4 percent (huge spike) bringing the black actor nomination rate in the 80+ year history to 6 percent. The rate drops to 3.2 for all categories. And some like Denzel Washington, Jamie Fox, and Will Smith getting multiple nods. I would like think the actors got nominations because they gave the best performances for that year not because it was required.
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Posted - Jan 8 2009 : 10:59AM
^When you start out insulting people at the beginning of your so called argument you have no credibility what so ever. Then on top of that you call yourself a liar. I didn't imply anything about attractiveness and pay. I said the basic laws of supply and demand prevail. I commented on the attractiveness of them versus other black women in porn. The term porn star is way over used as it's been said on this site before. If you followed the Academy Awards, you'd know that every time they announce the nominees, you know exactly what I'm saying about black actors being nominated, but we'll skip that and move onto your last point. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You can call interracial bm/ww porn whatever you like, but doesn't change the fact people fantasize and pay to see their fantasy come to life. Let's be honest, you are cloaking your racism in the guise of being morally outraged at the treatment of ww by bm when there's tons of freak nasty shit being done to white women in porn without a black man in sight but you don't give a damn about that. You're racist, plain and simple. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You just proved my point about the romanticizing of porn with that 1st sentence. Thanks for that, I appreciate when others trying to disprove my point, prove them for me. And to continue to use the term fantasy and people paying to see their fantasy come to life when describing a Gangland feature is just nonsensical, you're still trying to make it something more than it is. 3 black guys from the hood sticking it to a white girl. Porn is and always will be geared towards men, except for "couples" porn made by women, and a Candida Royal (sp) flick doesn't include 3 black guys telling the white girl to get nasty. To recap, you call me racist, (don't know how that was determined. Wait, I know, I repeated the word Nigga a bunch of times, quoting Shane Diesel, and heaven forbid a white guy who listens to country music can't use the word Nigga because that's a term of affection used by black guys when referring to other black guys and only black guys are allowed to use it), a retard, (no matter how you typed it to make it seem that you weren't calling me a retard.), you admit that you are liar, and on top to that, you just can't read. At no point, did I remotely express outrage about the treatment of white women in porn by black guys. The next time you have a thought, do the world a favor, and Don't! [Mod edit: there's no need to quote the post directly above your own, especially if it's a longer one, or is already a quote of a quote, etc. Just use the "up arrow" like I've done for you here, and everyone will know what you're referring to.] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 1/8/2009 2:59:23 PM
1.Eh, what you call losing credibility, I call stating the obvious.
2.The reason I said "I lied" is because the previous post to that I said, "Dammit, after this I'm done." Obviously, that wasn't true. 3. Well, "Levels of pay are dictated strictly by supply and demand." was your topic sentence to a beginning unit of discourse and "Black girl white guy porn is a not a high demand item, thus pay is less. Maria Luv is awesome and possibly Jada Fire is hot also, but other than that, not too many are worth a look." were all contained within the same unit of discourse and therefor will be read and interpreted as supporting details to the topic sentence. If it were a random thought and not relevant to the topic sentence it should have not been included in that unit. You did the same in the post previous to that. 4. I don't follow it, so I let unbiased numbers do the talking. Did you completely skip over this part?I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. The irony of your post. You're just making a very weak argument about semantics. Fantasy is a neutral term to me free of romantic connotations. Would "entertainment" quench your semantic palate? Oh, no that won't work because then I'm glorifying it. I didn't call you racist for any of the reasons you listed. I've only read your posts from page 2 on up. I called you racist because it seems to you it don't get any sleazier than interracial bm/ww porn in an industry that's not exactly known for being cookie cutter clean. You routinely mention the men are stereotypical thugs and ya know, so what? The women are stereotypically uber slutty. Tell me what's the difference between 3 black thuggish guys sticking to a white woman and 3 white guido guys sticking it to a white woman?
Knucklehead, if you admit to being a hypocrite and a racist you only prove everyone else's point. Your point becomes moot. You must know that. Tell us, how old are you? Where do you live? Where did you grow up? What level of education have you completed? 'Cause, dude, I can't even read your entire diatribe anymore. You don't seem interested in a conversation. You're not trying to learn anything new or even contribute to a touchy subject. Stoking the flames is just immature. But if I missed something, I apologize. Seriously I do. If not, there really is help out there. Oh yeah, share something personal. Ya gettin' laid?
I can't believe this: didn't the original poster ask this question in hopes that a woman in porn would reply it, yet 6 pages later it seems like just a bunch of guys arguing with one another? I didn't notice a single female response so if there was one it must have just gone unnoticed because the majority of posts are people trying to sound as PC as possible. I personally don't fuck black guys but I do watch black porn. I don't know if it's a mentality thing, but I've just never been into black guys.
Obviously race, in America, is a sensitive and emotional issue. I'm black and I fuck MOSTLY white chicks. Not by design, it just turns out that way. White women have always been attracted to me and they've always let me know it. All over the US and the world. If your ONLY reason for judging anyone is race and ONLY race.....then hey.........you check the definition. I say the same thing to black people who say the same thing in reverse. You said maybe it's "a mentality thing". Which says to me, that's how you were raised. Lots of people were raised that way making America is the most racist country in the world. And the world will tell you that. Even South Africa came to terms with it. Hopefully this country will learn to do the same in our lifetimes. Is that really your photo?
This is @ Knuckle Kids. I am well aware the topic is I/R PORN and not real life I/R dating experiences. I was only responding to comments that you made concerning how everybody with a particular skin color create stereotypes and used my personal and real experiences to dispute that comment with a little bit of what I would like to think is common sense. Only an individual can denigrate themself regardless of their skin color. I am also aware that some companies who actually make I/R "Thuggish" films might read this thread and realize there isn't a big market for "Thuggish" stereotypes and they might be able to sell more films if they were "classier." There is a decent market for I/R films and the consumers don't have a lot of choices when it comes to I/R thuggish themed films. When it comes to Porn, consumers are very predictable, they buy what turns them on. For example, if somebody likes a star like Bree Olsen, I would assume that they would watch just about anything that they can get their hands on with her in it and don't care if the film company portrays a thuggish image. Sometimes a consumer with a favorite star will watch an I/R film just to see his or her favorite star regardless of whether or not the consumer likes the theme. I hope this makes some kind of sense.
yah this is a great thread and a worthwhile use of time oh wait no it's not, it's a pile of bullshit upon bullshit people pointlessly bickering, just like every IR thread. as if anyone is convincing anyone of anything ntfighter, nice edit though, it's awesome you couldn't get your two-sentence dig worded just right the first time.
KB,an individual posts to a thread he profess to have no interest in, to pronounce it pointless? than suggest that the conversation or the people engaged are dumb? That's insulting. He could have kept it to himself.
^Well, it's by no means the first time someone would have chimed in on a thread just to say they didn't like it. I'm not saying that's a good thing. But it happens in pretty much every thread on ADT. It doesn't mean we need to insult everyone who does it. It also doesn't mean, buckaroo, that we need to throw insults back.
it is pointless. Would've been interested if the thread actually involved females answering original post. Instead it is four pages of essay-length posts of people arguing with Knuckle Kids. awesomeCould've but didn't want to. stating my opinion. What you going to do about it? whine some more?
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Posted - Jan 9 2009 : 12:43AM
Yeah I did skip over it because it was, "blah blah blah I'm going to type a few paragraphs of some BS to make it appear that I know what I'm talking about, when in reality its just keyboard diarrhea." You felt it was important. I didn't! The difference is easy! White girls are going to be more apt to do 3 white guys than 3 black guys. It's not like there is ever a thread on this site called, "When is so and so going to start doing white guys?" Another difference is that the black guys speak in ebonics and constantly call attention to the white bitch getting nasty, and suck that black cock, and etc etc etc. Where as the white guys actually speak english.
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287 Posts 4/08
Posted - Jan 9 2009 : 1:12AM
okay, this is my last post on this thread. I'm making a quick comment on most of your thoughts. I never admitted to being a hypocrite or racist. I was called Racist because I have the audacity to not be PC. The personal info is irrelevant, but I do have an MBA in Marketing/MIS. I stop being interested in a conversation when someone won't accept my point of view, but expects me to accept theirs. Typical Democrat. I contributed quite nicely to the topic at hand, but because I'll actually point out certain non PC issues, the flames will get stoked. I'll even retract something if I feel I made an error, such as including Sean Michaels in the thug category. I also agreed with the point that Obama's one term presidency will set race issues in politics back a few years. And you actually did miss something in my posts, but not an issue, so apology accepted. To answer your last question, yes I am getting laid, quite a bit actually.
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Posted - Jan 9 2009 : 1:34AM
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Posted - Jan 9 2009 : 2:02AM
So, Knuckle Kids, that means your a Republican Bigot, who only wants to see white girls with white boys? lol I bet you tune in to watch FoxNews and listen to Rush Limbaugh. Now, I see where you are coming from, I know guys like you. You might, fool some people in this forum, but you don't fool me, boy.
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Posted - Jan 5 2009 : 3:15PM
I'm done. Knuckle Kids, I can't take you seriously at all. It's obvious you are a casualty of a bad public school system.
