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leatherface
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Posted - Oct 28 2015 : 10:01AM
Because if a word used to find something is interpreted with many different meanings it's not useful.
If you're looking for blondes, you will find blondes. If you're find redheads you will not find brunettes. Are you looking for interracial? You will get exactly that. Anal? If a movie promise that, you will find an anal scene. Big boobs? Ditto. Every niche in porn has a definite meaning, and if you like it, you will find what you want.
The big exception to that is the universe of the older women. In the first place there's not even agreement even on the fact that milf defines an older woman: there are those who use it to define even teen girls with a children. There are sites like "pure matures" with girls in their early 20s. I've seen many "cougar" scenes with guys who were even older than the the supposed cougar.
And being a real fan of mature women I totally hate this.
The only exception to this seems to be the Scoregroup that gives exactly what they promise: 40 something, 50 something, 60 something. That's what everybody should do, instead of profiting of vague definitions.

Edited by - leatherface on Oct 28 2015

Smiler Grogan All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Oct 28 2015 : 3:22PM
You have a point -- but I wouldn't say the terms are completely useless. They do at least point me in a direction. Maybe it won't be the right direction, but when I see the casting list I will then be able to make that decision.
But I will agree, if there's two complaints I have about MILF titles its 1) women younger than 30, and 2) old guys in the scenes.
biggins
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Posted - Oct 28 2015 : 6:09PM
Leatherface is right again,
I hate when I am looking for something like "Interracial cougar" and
it's a 32 year old lady with a 32 year old black guy. Even a "Milf seduces scene
with a 26 year old gal and a 26 year old guy.
C'mon!
N00dlesDaddy
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Posted - Oct 29 2015 : 11:05AM
MILF is an acronym, therefore any chick who has had kids (in reality or for the purposes of fantasy) qualifies. I agree, though, it's the most misleading of the terms commonly used to mean older ladies because they very often aren't. I'm largely indifferent to the word 'cougar'; my preferred label is 'mature', which I personally feel applies to age 45 and upwards, though I am prepared to scale that back to 40, depending on how much the chick floats my boat.
leatherface
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Posted - Oct 29 2015 : 1:47PM
Even the word mature is misused. Seriously, there are tons of scenes with girls in their early thirties and in their 20s who are called matures. It's absolutely ridiculous and it makes it really hard to find what one is looking for. Those are the moments when I think that the studios deserve all the piracy there is.
If people are interested in women in their fifties why just don't use a tag like "50 something"? It would be much easier.
 
chessmaster
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Posted - Oct 29 2015 : 3:36PM
Mature is the word you're looking for. To me there is a difference between milf\cougar and mature. but I agree. Too many 20 something's in milf titles. 30 should be the minimum age for milf porn. But what can we do other than bitch and complain on here? As long as its selling with 20 something's in it, they probably won't change.
Slector
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Posted - Oct 29 2015 : 6:29PM
I always thought MILF stood for Mother I would Like to Fuck, not Mature I would Like to Fuck. If that is the case pretty much any girl of child bearing age could be a MILF.
a9nostic
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Posted - Oct 29 2015 : 7:59PM
^ Yes, I always thought that a MILF was just motherly in some way, and a cougar was an older woman who preyed on younger guys.
I get the point though, it's pointless when the cougar is 25...
chessmaster
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Posted - Oct 29 2015 : 8:09PM
I think some take the term too literally. I thought it was a term for at least a mother of a teen. With you guys logic, a milf could be an 18 y\o, which is obviously not the intended use of the word.
Draxxx
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Posted - Oct 31 2015 : 9:39AM
Many do agree but many don't that in porn the term "MILF" is used more for a body type than age or whether a girl has kids. Women/girls with a more fuller body type often get cast in MILF movies than older thinner/smaller breasts types.
People tend to associate "MILF" with age but MILF is Mother I'd Like to Fuck. That clearly spells out that the main criteria is to be a mother and a mom can be young or old.
"Cougar" is really defined an older woman who specifically goes after young guys. An older woman who preys on young men. A Cougar can be a MILF but not all MILFs can be Cougars. A Cougar does have to be a mother the only criteria is to be older and go after young guys.
"Mature" simply means "older" women. A Mature can be a Cougar or a MILF but not all MILFs are Matures and not all Matures are Cougars. A Mature can be older but not prey on only younger guys like a Cougar.
In porn most of these are often interchangeable. But I from what I see in many cases "Matures" tend to more often than not actually be older women...and looks aren't as important as the actual age. Matures also aren't usually among the top popular pornstars and tend to only star in Mature titles.
You may disagree but that's how I see it.
chessmaster
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Posted - Oct 31 2015 : 10:16AM
^The term milf was popularized by teens that used it to describe their friends moms they wanted to bang. They sometimes would use it to describe a woman in her late 20s with younger kids, but mostly it was a reference to woman in their 30s maybe 40s with kids. But in the literal sense, yes the only criteria for "milf" is to be a mother.
And yeah, its pretty much known by now that milf\cougar in porn is about a specic body type, i.e. thicker or curvier. Nothing to do with age or even whether they actually have kids or not. Same thing applies to "teen" porn except it has skinny girls most of the time. Again nothing to do with age. And I doubt this will change anytime soon. I think op's best bet is just to stick to mature porn.
leatherface
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Posted - Oct 31 2015 : 10:42AM
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Edited by - leatherface on 10/31/2015 10:45:17 AM
leatherface
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Posted - Oct 31 2015 : 10:44AM
this is an example of the fact that those words are completely useless exactly because everybody uses with different meanings.
For instance as Chessmaster rightly says, the term Milf started to be popular when it was used in American pie, where a group of young guys were lusting about the mom of one of their friend. So basically the term is about a young man (that in porn clearly younger than eigtheen, but he could not be a grown up man, even if in porn this seems the norm, he should be like 18-21 year old) and a older woman that should be the mother, so she should be something like 18 (at least) years older than the boy (because a young mom at least normally is an adult). It's not about a young girl with children.
I agree about the term cougar and mature, but what does it means mature considering the age? According to a site like "Pure mature" ("Pure" meaning that they want to express the genre in the most pure form I guess) actresses who are 21-22 year old are matures. To me a mature is someone who's like 50 years old. So if I'm looking for that how can I put on google the word "mature" if I will find little girls labeled that way?
The point is that this confusion really does not help at all.

Edited by - leatherface on 10/31/2015 10:45:58 AM

Slector
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Posted - Oct 31 2015 : 11:29AM
The term MILF has been around way longer the the movie American Pie. I've heard that term since the early 70s.
leatherface
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Posted - Oct 31 2015 : 12:57PM
that's why I used the expression "started to be popular". Before the movie, the term in porn was not used at all.

Edited by - leatherface on 10/31/2015 12:58:00 PM

 
chessmaster
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Posted - Oct 31 2015 : 12:58PM
^thats just around when it was popularized.
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Posted - Oct 31 2015 : 12:59PM
There's a lot of slop in what labels mean, and people are constantly stretching the boundaries. Porn is such a youth-centric genre that MILF seems to be applied to anyone who looks older than age 25. I now see GILF applied to women I'd term as MILFs, because yeah--you could be a grandmother in your 30s if each gets knocked up around age 16--but come on.
Same problem with BBW and Busty. It's very subjective.
On reddit I frequent /r/HugeBoobs . While a lot of people on there definitely fit, there are a number of posts of women who are definitely busty and they're beautiful, but they are not huge. But some people think anything over a C cup is huge.
leatherface
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Posted - Oct 31 2015 : 1:56PM
yes, and at the same time you see "young guys" who are in their thirties and sometimes even in their forties. It does not have any sense.
Draxxx
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Posted - Nov 1 2015 : 10:37AM
I don't think the words are "useless" in porn but they cover a wide range are aren't as exact as you may want them. When I see the term MILF when it refers to a porn movie the movie/scene will star the type of performer I expect. Some movies will advertise that they have "real" MILFs...meaning the performers have kids. That might be more of a turn-on for some but I'd rather not know they have kids. JM PRODUCTIONS had a MILF series where the performers talked about their kids before the scene and I found that kinda weird and totally unsexy. But yeah, in porn MILF, COUGAR, MOM, SOCCER MOM, etc., are interchangeable but I think the consumer knows what they're getting with them. I tend to think in most cases "MATURE" labeled porn actually casts "older" women mostly.
Before the MILF thing became popular in porn there was a "MATURE" and "GRANNY" genre that existed but was fairly small niche from what I could tell. I think the big reason for that was because for the people into that were more concerned with age than looks and most of those MATURES weren't good looking compared to most pornstars so there wasn't much of a crossover audience. Unless a person specifically wanted to see sex with older women there wasn't much to make a person want to pick it up. MILF porn on the other hand is so popular because it has several built in appeals. If you're a fan of curvy "fuller" body types, MILF porn will appeal to you. If you like the fantasy of the hot mom having sex, MILF porn will appeal to you. If you like seeing some of your fav pornstars from the past who might not be in other genres of porn as much as they used to be, MILF porn will appeal to you. MILF porn has hot women in general so even if a person doesn't care about all the other stuff that's a selling point that MATURE (and GRANNY) porn doesn't usually offer.
I know some people don't like "younger" pornstars in their MILF movies but I don't know if the porn audience in general cares about age as much as seeing performers they like in a movie.
leatherface
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Posted - Nov 1 2015 : 1:14PM
I don't think the words are "useless" in porn but they cover a wide range are aren't as exact as you may want them.
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The pussy isn't exactly the other hole, but pretty close. Let me know how many movies or scenes with the tag "anal" where you don't see anal in there.
Or let me know how many interracial scenes you know with two white persons. If the answer is "no one", that's because terms aren't used to cover "a wide range". They are used to help persons to find what they want.
Edited by - leatherface on 11/1/2015 1:15:38 PM
ninja1
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Posted - Nov 1 2015 : 4:37PM
^^Draxxx sums it up pretty good. The various labels are imprecisely used by the various studios and inconsistently defined by the various viewers. But generally we (mostly) all get the gist of what we'll find behind the marketing labels.
Edited by - ninja1 on 11/1/2015 4:54:54 PM
leatherface
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Posted - Nov 1 2015 : 7:32PM
yes, but the point is that the research is incomparably more hard. I remember reading the article of this woman who said that she could look for hours and hours without founding a porn scene with certain characteristics. Well, that's exactly what happens also if you're looking for something definite about milfs/mature/cougars, when you find thousand of "pure mature" little girls, cougars with old men and teen milfs.
XXX Guy
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Posted - Dec 23 2015 : 10:23PM
Even though the box cover tells one how old the MILF really is - studios still like to waste people's time. Anyway these are all MILF/GILF series/actresses that are good looking, with no loose skin but still look 40+/50+
1) Series

Aged to Perfection - .
M.I.L.T.F. - same as above
G.I.L.T.F. - slightly older than the MILTF artists
Fantastic 40's
40+
50+
Golden Oldies
Nifty Fifties
Older and horny

2) Artists

Nina Hartley
Holly Teez
Dana Devine
Dallas Canon
Amy Charms
Bambi ( Asian )
Rosy Rocket ( Asian )
Diana Richards
Dana Hayes
Abby Gale
Nicole Moore
Candy Cooze
Vonda
Gypsy Blue
Kathy
Kathy Jones
Anna Lisa
Kristina
Patty Plenty
Sammy Sparks

leatherface
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Posted - Jan 8 2016 : 11:06AM
I've seen few moments ago on data18 a movie called "Cougar's alert" where there's Farrah Dahl (1980) coupled with Evan Stone (1964). A perfect demonstration that companies use those terms literally as they want without any respect for those who are supposed to buy that stuff. And Cougar should be the least controversial term because it's precisely about a older woman with a younger guy, so why they should use the word Cougar for a scene where a 35 girl is coupled with a 51 year old man is beyond me.



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