Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00
Posted - Feb 27 2009 : 1:05PM
Of all of those nominees, the only one I realized that she was known for deepthroating abilities is Angelina Valentine. I have to admit that I've never heard of Selina Draagen. REALLY surprised to not see Sasha Grey, Annette Schwarz or Belladonna in here.
I've heard Sarah Vandella's name ... and Angelina Valentine I have seen in scenes. But WHO are the other girls, period ... let alone notorious sword swallowers? When I heard this award was coming, names like Annette's, Belladonna, etc., made perfect sense (and because it was a 25th anniversary award originally to be named after Linda Lovelace, I also assumed, "OK, so this is one they will give to a performer who is a classic, hall-of-fame type.") I have to admit. I'm utterly confounded. If you named this The Grab Bag Award it would make complete sense, given the absolute random nature of the nominees. (And nothing against the gals ... just ... huh?) I'd like to give XRCO some kind of credit, since its choices are driven by critics and fans, not the All-Powerful Lords of the Industry Slag Heap with major advertising buck$$$ and cable specials at play. The Superslut Award is a terrific example of what's good about XRCO. That's a fan-motivated award that reflects the reality of awesome gonzo performerdom 10 hex more accurately than any AVN award period. So why isn't this as smartly selected as that?
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Posted - Feb 27 2009 : 9:56PM
Maybe Annette is being punished for leaving the industry in the middle of the year, but I have one thing to say: Annette Schwarz deep throated Jack Napier. Not just once. Several times. They even admitted when it only looked like a deep throat and she was actually pushing the bone into his body. Totally legit, and seemingly impossible. I don't know any of the names on that list, but if one of them would like to step up and do something similar (Mandingo, Richard Mann, Shane Diesel), then she'd be worthy of the title and attendant recognition.
Maybe the whole idea was just dumb to start with ... Even if I sometimes seem cranky, I'm really not ... more amused at stuff than anything. But this actually pisses me off. Considering the source is an assortment of people who should know a lot better. I'd just love an explanation. In many of the other categories, the XRCOs appear to right wrongs done by AVN towards worthy (nay, blatantly obvious shoo-in nominees in any logical universe) .... but this is an insane misstep. I mean, if these are the picks of one person, that's fine ... But if it's meant as a collective vote by an assortment of different critics ... it just makes no sense. Edited by - skronker on 2/27/2009 10:56:02 PM
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Posted - Feb 28 2009 : 12:16PM
The only sense I can make of it is that XRCO wants to be starmakers in this category, as opposed to acknowledging already established performers. Just setting Annette aside for the moment, Bobbi Starr, Adrianna Nicole, Sasha Grey, Marie Luv, Belladonna, and Katsuni are names off the top of my head that not only deep throat, but do it in style and size. The art itself has become very commonplace, but throating Harry Reems is vastly different than taking in Jack Napier. Maybe I'm just not up on all the DVD's and websites that these nominees are featured in, so I might be missing something here. Edited to add Belladonna. Brain fart. Edited by - picman on 2/28/2009 6:19:58 PM
Selina Draagen did a few alt movies... think I remember her in one of the TeraVision alt releases, but beyond that I'd need the iafd to id her. Annette is a big loss here, and I think some of the reason may be a bit of overlap in people's minds between this category and the orgasmic oralist category... "I do not as a rule seek advice about food from thin people..." - Jeffrey Steingarten
I recognized all of them but Mahlia Milian, but if you lined them all up Sarah Vandella's the only one I'm sure I'd be able to recognize. Selena would be #2, and that's just because as more of an alt-chick I'd expect her to be more tattooed and pierced than the others. Darn, looks like I've gotta do a bit of studying... "I do not as a rule seek advice about food from thin people..." - Jeffrey Steingarten
Ok folks, I make sure that the noms are a collective reflection of the wishes of the XRCO members who nominate in various categories. The reactions I am getting here tell me that this is the only category you have questions about or feel that may be incorrect - which is a GREAT ratio...you like 1 out of over 25 categories of noms. Frankly, you are making something out of nothing: these ARE the noms that held out through the process of nominating in this category by the XRCO members. And I will say that, of the 50 or so members, very few bothered to nominate in this category for some reason. I have always suspected that a few of the LAZIER XRCO members may get their noms by the copycat play-it-safe method: see what other similar organizations get for noms and use them for a basis for their noms. And since nobody else HAS this Deep Throat category to use as a reference, the field is wide open. You don't make this category because you are known for deep throating over your body of work over the years. This is for 2008 releases - period. It is NOT an award for anyone in the past 25 years! Members nominated performers who apparently yanked their chain and got their attention by a particular balls-deep scene released in 2008. They don't have to be known for doing it all the time. One person suggested that this is a catch-all category - which is ridiculous as it is very specific. And the idea that we are trying to be a starmaker by putting in some of these deep throaters is absurd. 'Nuff Said (I hope).. db
These girls may be KNOWN to the few XRCO voters who cared to nominate, but are largely UNKNOWN to the hardcore fanbase who posts addictively at ADT. That tells me the nominations are very flawed. Or else, by labeling something the DEEP THROAT award, you created exalted expectations and then failed to follow through. When everyone here on this thread can whip out the names of hellraising deepthroat gals at the drop of hat – who were vastly more active and notable in the time frame specified to qualify for the noms – and you guys come up with virtually anonymous performers ... it tells me XRCO didn't try very hard. Again, no knock on the gals themselves, and generally you guys do right by the girls that deserve what the AVNs deny them. But, in this case, you flubbed it. Obviously, it's nothing more than a novelty. But then, in porn, what isn't? I just think if you're going to go to the trouble of creating a unique award for a unique occasion, wouldn't you make sure to nominate unique performers – indeed, the kind of girls who set the pace – for this award? Even the scenes you cited for these girls sound awfully marginal. Shit, just about ANY Spiegler Girl has dozens of blazing deep throat scenes to her credit. I can understand not wanting to have too much overlap with multi-nominated girls in related categories. Still, a champ is a champ. In the original thread, the first three names mentioned were: Annette Schwarz, Sasha Grey and Belladonna. These are women who did a ton of high-profile work in 2008 (even if Bella is mostly directing, she gobbled a fair share of big black cock down to the root last year). I won't add more names, but just to say ... shit, if you had a porn version of that Family Feud game, and the category was Best Deep Throating Porn Star, "survey says" would put each of these names in the Top 5 EASY. That XRCO's voters could not even get a single one of their names in the Top 5 for this tells me someone is sadly out of touch. It's just weird ... that's all. And I hate to see truly deserving performers miss out on their due. I hope Angelina gets it, at least ... she's done a bunch of scenes and has a great rep. But have any of these girls done a Mike John film? That should be the first prerequisite. Edited by - skronker on 3/1/2009 1:19:45 AM
First, this is an industry award and not for or by the "...hardcore fanbase who posts addictively at ADT." Industry-only, remember? And how can you say that "...the XRCO didn't try very hard..." when it went above and beyond the usual "fanboy" choices and put in their true choices and preferences w/o bowing to public pressure or popularity? I'd say they tried extra hard (cue the applause sign). And remember, this award is unique to the industry and potential noms are not something that they can "cookie-cut and paste" from noms from other organizations. You will note that I also listed the names of those who almost hit the top 5 choices - and many of them ARE more familiar names. You want more popular names then fine - there IS the Orgasmic Oralist category. db
Annette Schwarz is the all-time deepthroat queen. Any list of the best deepthroaters in the history of porn must have Annette either at - or damn near - the very top of the list. Otherwise the list doesn't mean jack squat!
Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00
Posted - Mar 2 2009 : 12:54PM
I must have missed that. Maybe a new rule is in order: If a category has less than half the voters vote in it, then maybe it wasn't a very good category to begin with (as was predicted resoundingly), and it should just be done away with.
Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00
Posted - Mar 2 2009 : 12:56PM
Oh my god... That's an awesome idea. It would probably be too difficult to put together, but I would LOVE to play a porn version of Family Feud. "Out of 100 people surveyed, name the top 6 alternative names for a penis."
^ Come on, this is porn! You know the most popular answer is "cock"! Even though I rarely hear any of my friends say it (most people say "dick"), in porn, it's always a "cock". (Usually, a "big fat cock", but that's getting a bit specific. )