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From what I have seen, I think Cherry Boxxx will not be around very long as a production company. The product I have seen from them has been completely unacceptable, but they seem to churn out compilation after compilation. And they just bought all of this new material. They could be around for a while flooding the market with endless compilations, but as an actual original producer I don't see a long future for them.

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And to say a company like Evil Angel "will be" on top is kind of like saying the Yankees may win the pennant. They ARE on top. And they're only getting bigger.

Better yet, why not tell us what companies are doing that makes you think they will fail -- or succeed?

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I've watched adult films with several past girlfriends. I've given some titles to a female friend who watches them with her husband, so apparently I'm not the only one.

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I think companies that are more likely to bite the dust are the super low-budget copycat gonzo companies. And those that try to expand too fast and become undercapitalized. Simon Wolf just went under, for instance.

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Because we all know a man who types in all lower case letters and doesn't know how to use the space bar can't be wrong. All companies that make features will die a glorious death and all gonzo distributors will thrive, even amongst the 30-something female viewers and fans who don't care to see gagging teary-eyed blowjobs, anal sex and facials.

Bow down to babby, he's got fuckin' ESP. My prediction for his next prediction: In ten years no one will find Kaylani Lei, Stormy, Sunrise Adams or Tera Patrick attractive anymore. It's because they won't do gangbangs or swallow, you know.

Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 4/12/2004 12:11:35 AM

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Business can only thrive with competition and variety. This is obviously a concept you don't understand since you named every company that makes features or specializes in softer-edged or girl/girl porn as headed to the glue factory while all the companies you favor who all produce nearly identical material are suddenly the best thing since sliced bread. That's crossing the line from informed opinion to ignorant personal bias.

Not everyone in the world likes the same things you like and just because you have no use for a company like JKP or Adam & Eve doesn't mean no one else does or that we should collectively put those companies on some sort of chopping block.

To put the shoe on the other foot, why don't you post this in "The Feature Side" folder and see how they respond. How would you feel if you found a thread there entitled "Evil Angel/RLD/ZT/PXP/DVSX/etc will all DIE in the next 5 years! " written by some moron who only likes movies by Vivid, Digital Playground and Wicked? Now maybe you can grasp how stupid this all sounds coming from you. I'm actually interested in knowing where New Sensations/Digital Sin and Sin City/Mayhem fit into your oh-so-enlightened vision of the future. The only person who needs to change the way they do business or go away is you.

Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 4/12/2004 12:29:21 AM

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I think everyone here knows that these feature companies are in exactly ZERO danger of going under. Well, everyone except for babby because he thinks couples or g/g product "is bad" and with "catch up" with them. He may be wrong, but he can see this coming down the road. I don't know how the future looks "bleek" for them when historically and even now, companies like that have traditionally done very well but it's the gonzo companies that die and new ones spring up to replace them almost yearly.

I think babby thinks no one watches porn with their girlfriends or wives because he has neither.

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there will be a hotel market, and cabal market that for social resins will prefer to buy features... I'm not saying thats what I would reach for in the shop. But that gives them some life.

silly I know

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My take is that Hustler will pretty much own everything anyway, and you'll have a couple of companies, like Evil Angel and RLD -- which are primarly distribution outfits, the directors own their product, remember? -- that dominate the gonzo market. Vivid will probably be one of the companies that will ALWAYS be in business. I think though that the gonzo market is going to so oversaturate itself that companies you think look good now won't make it a full 10 years. But then, Anabolic had a terrible two years in terms of losing talent and directors, but they seem to be cranking away --

Probably, what happens with the INternet and downloading discs and such will have more with the future of the industry -- and all the ancillary stuff,

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Elegant Angel gets my vote as least likely to survive, at least under current management.

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In the video retail market Vivid really does look like a low-grade comp outfit. But they still produce a few features and those few may be enough to supply the cable/satellite markets; they may not need more than a couple of new titles a month.

Interestingly neither Vivid nor Wicked appear to be carried by my local porn shop, which makes a real effort to attract couples. I'll have to ask the clerks; they may rack them separately, away from the "Five Cocks in my Ass!" titles likely to turn off the Vivid crowd.

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As an aside, can anybody tell me what did happen to VCA? It seems like a decade ago, they were one of the best companies in terms of production value, hot women, and good sex.

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Edited by - jrv on 4/13/2004 6:47:50 AM

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As for companies that will bottom out in the next five to ten years as everyone else has said Vivid and Wicked are not going to bottom out. Hell Vivid has been around since the 80's so there is little to no chance that they will go out...Wicked since the early 90's if not mistaken...

One company that I think will go out is going to be Dane/Forbidden Prod.... They are one of my favorite companies to buy stuff from, but they seem to be getting lesser and lesser new titles coming out... I hope its just a lull, but I don't know...

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I agree with Skronk that it's more likely to be Gonzo companies who will bear the brunt of any porn consolidation . There's that Ashcroft pressure to factor into the equation too you know , and any extra expense ( say : Lawyer's bills ) could be the difference between red and black ink for these studios . And who's pushing the envelope hardest , and thus most likely to attract the attentions of America's moral crusaders ? All those gonzo companies with the most 'cutting edge' sexual content , that's who .

On a side issue . Weren't Wicked bought up by LFP a while back ? I heard a rumor that this deal had gone down , and that subsequently the budgets of future productions had been capped at about $50K . Any truth in this ? For that matter , just which companies does LFP own now ? Wait , it might be quicker just to list the ones which they don't . We badly need a Monopolies and Mergers commission for the Porn industry !

Crucifixio - Harsh , very harsh ! Hilarious as hell , though . It had me spluttering into my cornflakes ! [;0]

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But don't you remember this thread, just a month ago, where you were making the same complaints about Vivid comp tapes? How you can't understand how they make money?

One way Vivid and the like sell a lot of tapes/DVD's, and reach a lot of consumers is through the Adam & Eve catalogs that get sent out all over the US. Once you are on the A&E mailing list, it's nearly impossible to get off. The catalog must be 30+ pages of one comp tape after another, nearly all featuring actresses from 2-5 years ago. But if you aren't up on who the latest porn stars are, you wouldn't know that you're watching stuff that is old, and paying top dollar for it. They also offer Private, Jill Kelly and other feature DVD's, some of which are the newer stuff. You never see anything in those catalogs from Evil Angel, RLD, etc. They don't even offer the Fashionistas for sale.

This is how these companies stay in business, while it seems like the gonzo companies fight each other tooth and nail for the limited amount of money from hardcore porn consumers.

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The question wasn't which company is strong now, but rather which are most likely to "die" within ten years. Those are very different questions, and any investor can tell you they often have different answers (any ex-Compaq lifers out there?)

Vivid should be in good shape now. However there is no guarantee against competive change or regulatory change, etc.

Moreover it's not clear how much cash is being left in the business rather than paid out (if I owned a porn studio I would certainly pay out every penny and reinvest only as needed).

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It's just like Gunman pointed out: all his "predictions to die" were couples/features companies, while he predicted all the gonzo companies would surive. That's ludicrous. That's saying that in ten years consumers will no longer want couples-oriented features and we all know that's just a load of malarky.

That's not a prediction, it's a "wish" from a gonzo fan.

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Lee O wrote:
Another satisfied customer ?!

Adam & Eve will send me a catalog, saying that if I don't respond right away, this will be the last one they will ever send me. I always do nothing. Six weeks later, without fail, I've got another catalog.

And if you order something from them, they put you on the express list - you start getting catalogs every 3 weeks, with EXTRA SPECIAL OFFERS for CUSTOMERS LIKE YOU! It's a never-ending cycle.

And what does babby really want? I think he not only wants the Vivids and the Wicked to die off, but maybe he wants those pesky softcore porn customers to die off as well, thus forcing all the porn viewing public worldwide to watch gonzo after gonzo title. That way, RLD will have to produce three, maybe six titles a week, just to keep up with the demand.

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Both companies are generally bad-mouthed by fans of their respecitve media, but both companies are high-profile, attract top talent, and know how to market their product.

Look at Marvel Comics. People who read comics constantly badmouth their product and their business practices, but they're still at the top of their industry.

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