Just been to the states for the first time on vacation (im from england), and was amazed to walk into a virgin megastore and find a massive selection of hardcore titles from every studio imaginable. This was the store in Times square - i was gobsmacked. I knew the laws in the states werent as strict as in the UK but i never imagined seeing so much porn in a store like Virgin.
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Posted - Jun 20 2003 : 4:26AM
I also live in the UK and had a similar experience while on vacation in Arizona, a Virgin Megastore I visited had a good selection of porn DVDs, mostly Vivid stuff. Prices were higher than on online stores though, most stuff was $28/29 + tax.
I think it's quite ironic that after Rudy Giuliani's got all the old-style smut peddlars out of Times Square, you should walk into a store like Virgin and find...porno! Nice work, Sir Richard.
I suppose it's good shops like Virgin stock porn, but in the end, I wonder how the prices compare with online stores? I got some Private discs in Virgin Megastore in Amsterdam a few years back, but while they were a lot cheaper than red light district shops, they were still more expensive than online stores. Then again, DVDs, videos and CDs were generally a little more expensive than UK prices.
I envy the Americans having proper online/mail-order shopping for adult movies with no government restrictions and no need to submit movies to a censor for classification. Then again, if you look at the general prices of mainstream DVDs and other consumer goods, I can imagine UK online stores would still charge more even if they weren't being restricted.
On a related note, I do envy American's ability to rent porn quite easily. Try doing that in the UK - impossible! The only ones I've seen in UK rental stores are lame 18 certs, not even R18s and obviously not US versions.
Sigh ... will we ever get past the Daily Mail attitudes of UK politicians...
Timotei, I forgot the rental thing, that's a great point. It would certainly able you to broaden your tastes without risking so much cash. I used to frequent certain shops which had backroom porn and would swap tapes for a tenner, but that's still an expensive way to go! Suffice to say, I didn't do this too often.
It's not just the right-wing, conservative, Daily Mail attitude to deal with, but the unholy alliance of Christians and certain supposed feminists.
For example, David Sullivan's company is trying to get a sex shop license in Glasgow, but is having to consider what legal action, including going to the European courts, they can take as the Glasgow city council has made it clear they'll refuse the application on essentially moral grounds (i.e. they'll refuse it on planning grounds but really it's a moral decision). They already made it so difficult for a proposed lap dancing club (there are several already) that the potential owners gave up.
It's the old "exploitation of women" argument, despite the fact that some very poorly paid workers, work in menial jobs for the very same council. The other ironic thing is that some of the under-the-counter porn trade in Glasgow has occured from rented shop units owned by the council! I hasten to add they had absolutely nothing to do with it.
I've always felt the way forwards is more out of town locations maybe striking deals with the local authorities.
At present we have dingy shops, small and grotesque in appearance. The whole business needs remodelling in the same way that bookies have been. In my view the ideal scenario would be to trade on a license for license basis the high street premises for larger better premises on industrial estates. This way everybody benefits: - The council and the 'moral' campaigner remove the sex shop from the high street. - The consumer is given a much more welcoming and diverse shopping facility with more products, less stigma and potentially a much better atmosphere. - The business has a chance to shake off it's shady image and start afresh with airy welcoming premises that attract a more diverse customer base.
I believe that with the right financial backing you could create a kind of Ann Summers/Homebase hybrid and make a genuinely successful and attractive business; one that would attract customers that would otherwise never consider visiting a sex shop.
NYC never tried to eliminate porn. They tried to eliminate stores and clubs that strictly deal in porn. While I don't agree with what they did. I have to agree that many of the stores and clubs that were in NYC were really sleazy run down places that really hurt other businesses in the area (other than other adult businesses) and were an eyesore for the residents.
Had these stores had a little more class (like not having a front window completely covered with boxcover photos) and had stores more like the Hustler stores there never would have been a problem.
The current rule revolves around the amount of business that is adult related vs non-adult related when determining whether it is subject to "Adult" zoning restrictions.
A store like Virgin selling adult is a perfect example of what is allowed with absolutely no zoning issues at all.
Timotei , you can actually go into to your local sex shop in the UK and purchase R18 dvd's / Videos , say for the price of £18-£20 then within a month you can return that product and re-purchase another for the price of £8 - £10 , which isnt quite as good as rental i admit , but at least its a slightly cheaper method....
Having said that R18's IMO are not hard enough anyhow...
Erm, maybe in Soho you can get R18s for that amount, but I don't think they're as cheap in the provinces.
I live in Brighton, which is supposedly a liberal fun-loving place, and there is only one licensed sex shop in the town. There are a couple of gay outlets, but I've not checked out whether they sell gay R18s (is there any?). The one and only time I went into the licensed shop, I looked at the prices and they were charging at least £40 per title, with maybe 3 for £100. I walked out immediately. With no competition (thank you local council) I'm not surprised they can charge that. Although online ordering is probably eating away at their sales.
Sure, most places do 1-for-1 trades at half price, but I just get envious when I read comments from Americans about how they were browsing through stacks of Evil Angel titles at their local rental store. Imagine that!
I don't think the US market appreciates that people in other countries don't have as ready access to titles, and being able to rent is important when deciding to buy a title. I'm not keen on spending money on a DVD with only screenshots and boxcovers to go on.
Regarding smartening up the shops, I do agree that some of Soho's unlicensed shops are a bit tacky. But the licensed ones along Brewer St are looking much more upmarket and professional now.
I live up in Yorkshire , and all the R18 dvds are between £15 - £24 , but generally the average price is £20...as for gay dvd's i cant answer that one , this particular shop is in Doncaster...here is their web addy:
www.hotplanet.co.uk
Although it seems that they dont sell the dvd range online , only other products associated with sex shops...but you will be able to get a telephone number from the link , try giving them a ring..
Yep, living in America definitely has its perks! It is wonderful that a mainstream company like Virgin carries adult products but imagine the thousands of other stores across the US that are totally and completely devoted to hardcore pornography! Now that really is the American dream. Speaking of which, I rent all the latest adult titles available both on disc and video at local porn shops, and its a great way to screen any potential titles I may wish to own permanently - which is practically everything that turns me on. Its no wonder the adult business is literally a billion dollar industry!
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Hustler, What is the shop like inside? Specifically how large is it and what is the feel of the place like?
I don't live too far from Doncaster myself (Grimsby) so maybe I should go and have a look round next time I'm heading out that way?
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Posted - Jun 23 2003 : 3:07PM
Here in the Netherlands we have access to a broad selection of European and American porn, ranging from soft to hard and including fetish. Prices could be a bit lower, but there is no reason for me to envy the USA.
Noel , the shop is large , with a big variety of just about everything really including dvd;s ...the staff are extremely friendly and young.And to be honest its only about a 45 minute run from yourself to Doncaster , it takes me about 25-30 mins to get to Grimsby as i live just 3 miles away from the end of the M180 . It is on Copley Road , and also there is another shop selling the same products on the same street , so im sure you wont be disapointed with a trip out there.