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A site that springs to mind immediately when speaking of high quality and stuff you just don't see very often is Abby Winters Dot Com. I've never been a member there but if I were trying to decide on a site to join for a couple of months, it would either be that one or ATK.

A big part of enticing people to join is quality samples. If your samples aren't full quality, make sure that you inform the viewer in some way *exactly* what your full quality content is like. If I see a small, grainy low resolution sample photo or video clip, the only thing that site stands out in my mind for is that their content must be junk and I would never join their site.

If you do high quality work and demonstrate that to potential members, memberships should pretty much sell themselves.

I think you have a good point. Don't follow the crowd. There are so many sites out there that are just like every other site that they don't stand out in any significant way. It's a very crowded market and if your stuff appears to be just like everyone else's or (perish the thought) worse in quality, people just won't bother....no matter how cheap your memberships are. You may get some takers but if they don't like your stuff or don't think it's worth it, they'll cancel the first chance they get.

One thing that DID bother me when I joined a site or two is that when I signed up, I checked the box for a one month membership that wouldn't recur but, nevertheless, they continued to bill me. Make sure you don't dick your customers around like that. If they only want one month, don't try and hassle them about it.

Another thing regarding billing, I wouldn't charge people extra for "premium" content. I would charge one price for complete access. If I'm thinking of joining a site and I see that the premium content costs more, I don't even consider it any further.

Lots of things can cause people who are considering joining your site to turn away. You should consider that and think about it as though you were them. For example, if a particular detail of the membership would put you off, it'll probably put off a lot of potential customers as well.

As I said before - try to be unique and original and offer content that can't be had on every other adult site known to mankind. Don't be gimmicky though. Fads come and go quickly. It might be popular today and completely forgotten next year.

Movies - well...just make sure they're of high quality. A lot of people don't have the fastest broadband connections so it takes a little while to download a clip or a movie. If they invest the time and the movie stinks, they're gonna be a little upset. Find a way to provide a good overview (preview clip) of the movie before they download it so they know if they really want it or not. Don't just show the best moments. Make sure the preview truly represents the movie and doesn't lead them to believe it's better than it actually is.

Photo sets - I've seen so many photo sets from some pretty popular web sites that are just...well, junk (I won't name any names). Often, the lighting is very poor...to the extent that it makes skin tones (and everything else) look sickly, muddy and pretty shabby. overall. The most beautiful, sexy woman in the world can't compensate for bad lighting, poor equipment and bad form.

I've also seen countless photo sets where the photographer obviously just set his camera to take rapid-fire chains of photos (often, apparently without the aid of a flash) and just captured every move the model made. Thus, you'll see a set that has 120 photos in it and maybe only 10 that are really good. Screen your photos carefully. Quality over quantity. How many people really want to see the model caught in mid-step in an awkward looking position, strange expression on her face, looking like she's about to fall over......with bad, dingy color to boot? Just trash the bad stuff and keep the good. And get a good photographer and model in the first place that way you don't have to trash as much bad stuff.

Your heart should be in whatever you're selling. You should enjoy doing it. Don't bother with content that you wouldn't be into yourself. A lot of people make fetish-oriented stuff and don't have the first clue what the fetish is really about. Don't just go for shock value. That wears off. It's just profit to them. I'm sure you can make a profit selling junk if that's what you're inclined to do but what people really want is a site that really "gets it" and does whatever it is right. That's what is largely missing in a lot of adult content (certainly not all but quite a bit of it). Inspiration, originality, quality and people who obviously care about the finished product.

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If anyone else has any comments or suggestions, please feel free to chime in!

Joseph

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The best way to discourage people from cancelling and rejoining is to make it worthwhile for them to stay each month. It seems to me that this is easiest for fetish sites that cater to a very specific audience. Generalists are far more likely to have people wandering in and out.

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Like HArdware said, the best way to keep people from canceling is frequent updates of quality stuff that people don't want to miss and can't wait to see. If updates are sluggish and infrequent and the quality isn't that great to begin with, people will cancel in droves.

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Obviously, the scheme you outline only discourages butterflies who are bad at math.

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So what is the longest amount of time any of you guys have kept an active subscription to a site?

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I've joined a few good sites over the years and one thing is true. It's true in ALL media industries: Mainstream films, TV, music, you name it. Content is king. Compelling content is far and away THE MOST important thing.

Now if you have killer content and want other suggestions, I only have minor ones to offer:

1. One of my favorite and longest subscribed sites is amateurallure.com. He does two things very right: He makes every model look her best. Many of them look amazing, mainly due to good makeup, excellent lighting, great quality equipment, and of course technique. He also gets enormous points for the quality of the photos and videos he produces. BIG jpegs and pretty darned high bit rate Quicktime movies that look nice and sharp. All of his stuff is high quality. He gets a -2 from me on his technical execution in the Quicktime world though. I don't know why, but trying to fast forward, or more accurately, to "click forward" in the timeline takes FOREVER. It literally takes almost 2 minutes to click forward to a location 2 minutes forward of where you are. It's a technical thing probably. Something about the encoding technique, or flags he sets on the videos. It's annoying as hell.

2. Don't try to hide your content behind a bunch of tiny pages in an effort to make mass downloading difficult. AA does this *some* (but not much). Another site I joined (party hardcore) did this a lot and it was irritating. Savy porn consumers use download managers, and frankly want all the content they can get. If you run an adult site, you know the cost of bandwidth and factor it into your business model. Trying to hide the content so it's hard to get "all at once" just irritates savy consumers (which I'd like to think that I am). The other side of this is trying to keep customers by limiting their exposure to your content. Other posters have commented on keeping the site fresh, which solves that particular concern. It's the reason I stayed subscribed to AA for SO long. The content was that good.

3. I always like to make at least three points, and I really only had two, so this is stretching it a bit. :) Please induldge me. I would like to transfer more of my Internet based porn to my regular TV display. Any site that makes that easy on purpose, by either distributing "ready to burn" media, or at least media that is 72 hex 480 (making no size conversion necessary) would get at least +1 from me.

Looking forward to good things from TunaCan...

Dr. P

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First of all to join a site there has to be preview videos
and a clear description of what is on the site.

2 It has to feature a subject I am interested in. General
male female, or female female just doesn't interest me
since I can get that anywhere, my favorite sites are the sexual wrestling site and the hard core strip club sites, stuff you can't get anywhere else.

To stay subscribed to a site, it should have something new to see two times a week.

The site has to have a quality standard the main thing that makes me cancel a site after giving it multiple months
is one week of good updates, then 3 weeks of crap, sites like that make me join download everything I want to see, ten rejoin for another month 6 months later

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if a site is good i will sign up for a 6 month deal if it is availble and i hate the whole recurring subscription i like the ones you pay once and when the times up its up .

well hope any of my info helps

Dan

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Joining paysites has very much cut down on my spending on porn DVDs, so it probably is cheaper and more convenient on the whole.

I like to have a good idea of the contents before joining. Some sites let everyone see their update calendar and model list, which I think is an honest practice.

I won't go near a site which uses DRM, and the downloads should be decent quality (something like >1500 kbps for wmv/avi/mov, this can be viewed fullscreen without wincing). Scenes should be downloadable in one piece - I decided against one site because I read this option was not available. Clips can be joined with certain tools, but this should not be the customer's job.

Some sites have discussion forums for members and models to chat, which sounds nice in principle, but sometimes they aren't very lively.

Basically, what I want is well made, targeted content, regular updates, ease of navigation and use, genuine passion, no nonsense attitude. (I don't want the supposedly funny/rough scene descriptions I see sometimes, e.g. on a certain big and very popular video download site.)

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Way’s to get me to come again and a again
1 Tell the guy behind the camera to SHUT THE FUCK UP he’s not the star
2 Use your imagination quit relying on the “new girl” to carry your site. There are girls we like to see again and again. Use your imagination and explore sex with your ladies
Examples of imagination
I don’t like Max Hardcore his stuff is way over the top for me.
Thing’s he does right is the way his girls are dressed, short skirt and no panties. He starts with the pussy. I’m so tired of show me your tits, show me your ass, pull down your panties, suck his dick porn.
Use seduction and tease
Short skirts and no panties (flash me early and often)
Strippers and lap dances (give me a strip show a lap dance where he got his cock out playing with it, she’s playing with in he’s playing with her. They tease each other then fuck)
Goes the gap, start groping, and show some pussy early in the scene.

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Cookie cutter porn of show me your tits, show me your ass, pull down your panties, suck his dick porn is all we get.

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btw, i am in total agreement with a lot of what you said.

Joseph

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You there to fuck her get on that topic and stay there.

But thanks Duke your cool guy to read my post and respond.

Lol I got from my old lady ……..she told when “your dick gets hard it’s like having a third person in bed, it won’t let either one us get any sleep” lol

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and focus on the pussy

again thank you

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No one else would dress the girl like Max. He has a lot more money to invest in wardrobe. You can’t expect an Internet producer in spend money on wardrobe they have to make money. And as you pointed out he has horrible taste.

What I was referring to was the short skirts with out panties mostly. These girls have their own wardrobe they will furnish with in reason. We already have scenes with short skirts just start the scene without the panties. Give us some flashing and up skirt. Have her with her feet on the couch showing her pussy. Pussy is why we sign up, show it to us early and often.

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I have no idea how well it converts, but 1byday is one of the best sites IMHO, if not the best. They update every day, have full hi-quality photo three-to-five page lay-outs of each scene, .zip downloads for photos of same said scene, choice of low-quality as well as HD download (for most scenes), and that sites never fails to max out my connection (about 460 kBs to 484 kbs, which isn't that bad considering most of the HD stuff is about a Gig per scene).

I find the lay-out perfect (search by month or by model), the speed unGodly (how fast are the connections across the pond?), and easiness of use on par. Ever been into Rodney Moore's site? Good God, the last time I was in there the site was just ugly and I was utterly confused on how to get what I wanted (which you could chalk up to the surfers are stoopid to "when you're jacking off, you're not in the right frame of mind" so keep it as easy as possible :)).

I understand why going with DRM makes sense from a business standpoint, but it can turn of many potential monthly subscribers. One way around that might be to do what the adult.com sites do (offer DRM .wmv files about 25mb-50mb in length, which are about 1/3 of the scene each, as well as 3mb-5mb .mpg files that are about 1/30 of the scene, but not DRM encypted).

I have no idea what your niche is, but 1byday, the Bangros sites, as well as the Cumfiesta's and Meatmember's clusters of sites are, for me, what brings the credit card out of my wallet. Basically, those sites provide me with what I want as fast as possible and are easy to use.

Best,

Kierkegaard

P.S. Best of luck, for what I understand this isn't the "wild wild west" days of the mid-to-late-90s, but if you can find a decent niche (which is more than possible) you'll do well.

P.P.S. Just advice, I'd stay away from the she's 18, but we have toys 8-to-14 year-olds play with by the bed "stuff." It will make you more money probably, but it will be headaches down the line (e.g.'s Galitsin news, Teenfuns, Met-Art, honestly, almost anything Russian). It's something akin to profanity in films...it's a crutch and I believe there are ways to be more creative/effective in turning the viewer on then that stuff. For example, the SO really digs the dike porn. I haven't received the "dick now" pull of her arms as much as watching some of the 21st Century titles. Good luck.

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Also, what does DRM stand for? Never mind, I just googled it. So, does anybody know if that is what Danni Ashe's site uses? You can't burn her files to disk, and when you watch them, you have to type in your username and password before it will play.

Edited by - mapofhawaii on 1/30/2007 7:11:52 AM

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Most importantly though I'm always looking for something different which most sites are not. UltimateSubmission.com is a good example. The loser gets fucked with a strap on. It makes the sex more interesting and it stands out from the ton of other sites out there. I like weird and I'm always looking for something different.

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I imagine other specialty sites are good, too.

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