I can't seem to find the thread, but I could have sworn I remembered reading a sort of mission statement for Zero Tolerance. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought it said the idea was no implants, no bad tattoos, no junkies or suitcase pimps (a concept I also think I've heard in pre-scene interviews on some discs).
I just finally rented Blow Me Sandwich 2, and I see that Friday is in one scene. Yes, Friday of the huge implants and possibly the worst tattoo in porn right above her coochie. Well, I love Friday overall (her hair gave her a sort of pumped-up Cheryl Ladd vibe in this one), but has this company given up and forsaken its principles so soon, or am I remembering the whole thing wrong?
"Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought it said the idea was no implants, no bad tattoos, no junkies or suitcase pimps"
You remember it correctly. The mission statement included the following - "no tijuana boob jobs, no stupid tattoos, no hookers who hate fucking, no crack whores, no stretch marks, no suitcase pimps etc...."
When we started this company it was ( and still is) our intention to make the highest calibre smut available. Our first movie, "Who's Your Daddy", still has 3 scenes sitting on the shelf that we didn't put in the movie because the "no stupid tattoo" rule was violated. After a few more releases it became obvious that almost EVERY SINGLE GIRL in porn had some kind of disfiguring tattoo. Friday's giant F is certainly in the top ten of worst tattoos on a porn chick. Ninety percent of the girls in the biz right now have some sort of tribal etching directly above their tailbone. Quite honestly, if we abided by the no tattoo rule, we'd be out of business by now. We genuinely try to avoid it but the facts are the facts - American porn chicks and tattoos have become like Peanut Butter and jam or Ron Jeremy and all-you-can-eat buffets. If you watch "Who's your Daddy 2" , in a pre-scene "interrogation" I go as far as admitting that we used to have a rule at Zero Tolerance about only using girls without stupid tattoos but discovered that there aren't any. Maybe our goals were too lofty at the beginning but we honestly tried (and still try) to shoot girls free of ink. As for Fridays implants - we never claimed that we would never shoot girls with boob jobs. We claimed that we wouldn't shoot girls with "tijuana" boob jobs -the kind of breast augmentation where the scars are more prominent than the actual breast. Friday has two of the best tits I've ever seen and though I've heard that on the side she is indeed a hooker (escort), she delivers an incredible scene every time. This is a girl who clearly loves sex. I find it hard t believe that any man would turn down a BJ from Friday because of her dumb tattoo and silicone enhancments. We've only violated the "tijuana boob job" principle once. The girl was Victoria Styles and she can be found in "Double Decker Sandwich". She has one of the most beautiful faces in porn but unfortunately one of the worst boob jobs in history which we didn't discover until the day of shooting. It was a long debate over whether or not to release that scene but in the end we decided that she was so hot in every other area that hopefully we could be forgiven for this blatant violation of company policy. The movie has sold very well so it seems we were forgiven by a lot of you. THANK YOU!! As for all of the other items on our mission statement - so far we've had no suitcase pimps on the set. I personally have "zero tolerance" for this most vile form of human life. We have sent many girls home who did not look like their pictures (stretch marks, scars etc) and we have shelved many scenes where it was obvious that the girl was going through the motions. The sole purpose of our recent trip to the Czech Republic was to shoot girls without any of the defects listed in our original mission statement and I think we succeeded beyond all of our expectations. These are the best looking women on the face of our planet!!!! All natural and no body art!!! I hope you can appreciate my honesty on this issue. We are still committed to giving the consumer their money's worth more than ever but from time to time we fuck up and if it bothers you, you have every right to complain. It's your money. I hope you can forgive our recent trangressions but remember that this is a company that paid an obscene amount of money to get April's first anal and we are presently negotiating with another big name for her first anal. We want to reward the consumer for their loyaly to us. We are not Hustler or Private. We are 6 people trying very hard to make an impact in an oversaturated marketplace. I suppose I could make an attempt at being profound now and say that we at Zero Tolerance have "Zero Tolerance" for companies who don't answer directly to you, the consumer. Hopefully that doesn't come across as arrogant or insincere. There are many great companies out there. Red Light, Anabolic/Diabolic, Evil Angel etc who realize that the fans dictate the profits and we will never take them for granted. As far as ZT is concerned, any and all comments and criticisms are encouraged and always welcome by us. Our company is here because of you.
Quaze
I realize that I sound like a pathetic kiss-ass but everything I said was true. We have some exceptional movies in the pipeline and I know that you're all going to dig 'em!.
Mike Quasar wrote :I'm not really disagreeing with you , just agreeing in a disagreeable manner . But there was also another girl in said vid with ' unusual ' looking breasts , namely Ava Devine . They're big , they're plastic and they didn't come with the original model . Not that I'm complaining that you used her . Hell , film her again please , she was one of the finds of the year IMO . She's crazy , sexy ,cool .
Thanks for the detailed reply, Quaze. I'm glad you still strive for that ideal, but I'm not at all surprised that some compromises had to be made. It's just a little funny, with the name of the company and all.
Like I said, I love Friday, stupid tattoo and all. A little tolerance isn't such a bad thing.
God hates us all, you know it's true, God hates this place. - Slayer 1726 Posts 10/03
Posted - Nov 4 2003 : 9:22AM
I agree ProfessorPorn, I think Quaze is excellent, the man is hillarious! As for "Zero Tolerance" well, I agree with Quaze here too Victoria was the WORSTE fase one, Ava, although blatently fake and un-natural weren't as scard as Victoria's. I think ZT is just fine...just keep up the constant good work
I for one appreciate your efforts with regard to minimizing the tattoos and bad boob jobs in your videos. Please don't abandon that lofty goal--fight the good fight!
And thanks so much for your honesty and candor. It's very refreshing.
As far as tattoos go, you're fighting a losing battle. Not when famous actresses like Angelina Jolie are on TV talking about all their tattoos, and even show off their latest body art. Even magazines for young girls like Seventeen, post lists of 'Celebrity tattoos' , and ask magazine readers to write in with their own markings.
If you could corral a bunch of 12 year old girls, and keep them away from tattoo parlors for several years, you might have luck finding some 18 year olds who are markless. But, I believe pornographers are supposed to stay away from minors, so that's not going to work. Sorry.
I just watched your 'Virgin Surgeon', and I saw that nearly every American girl had her regular appointments with Dr. Tattoo Artist prior to meeting up with you and Mark Davis. You guys are just too late. Maybe in another decade, when tattoos go out of fashion, you'll be able to find the actresses you're looking for.
An addendum: On this month's cover of Seventeen magazine is the singer Pink, with 3 tattoos clearly visible. How many more are underneath her clothes is anyone's guess. The magazine says she lives in the San Fernando Valley, so you porn people can check her out yourselves.
I too would like to express my support for as high a percentage of "non-boob-enhanced" girls in your releases as possible. This is an important consideration for me when considering which vids to rent/buy.
As noted, the fight against tatoos is a losing battle at present. From my perspective again, locations of tatoos in least objectionable order that you might want to consider when hiring girls :
Ankle/calf/feet Small of back Shoulder/upper back Upper arm Lower arm/below the wrist Butt Thigh Stomach "Bikini area" Breasts Above the neck
I'm behind on keeping up with my porn viewing and haven't seen any ZT titles, I plan to rectify that soon
Maybe the answer is to change the name from Zero Tolerance to the more accurate, if less punchy, Generally Small Pragmatically Arrived At Level of Tolerance ?????
No need to change the name. The main thrust of their credo is that they will not tolerate bad pornography, which I think they have upheld fairly consistantly.
For some reason this post has just spontaneously made me think up this slightly rewoked nursery rhyme:
As I was going to St. Ives, I met a man with seven wives! Each wife had seven tits, Each tit had seven tats, Tits with tats: Snakes alive! How many lucky bastards were going to St Ives?
tats for tits or tits for tats no tats on fake tits! zero tolerance
as for friday, man she must have been high when she got that tat. she does put in a very enthusiastic performance however, and even i was able to get past her obvious drawbacks, so i guess thats the important thing to me. id still rather watch her than a lot of the unenhanced but uninvolved girls.
here she is in
tats for tits or tits for tats no tats on fake tits! zero tolerance
as for friday, man she must have been high when she got that tat. she does put in a very enthusiastic performance however, and even i was able to get past her obvious drawbacks, so i guess thats the important thing to me. id still rather watch her than a lot of the unenhanced but uninvolved girls.
here she is in
tats for tits or tits for tats no tats on fake tits! zero tolerance
as for friday, man she must have been high when she got that tat. she does put in a very enthusiastic performance however, and even i was able to get past her obvious drawbacks, so i guess thats the important thing to me. id still rather watch her than a lot of the unenhanced but uninvolved girls.
here she is in
tats for tits or tits for tats no tats on fake tits! zero tolerance
as for friday, man she must have been high when she got that tat. she does put in a very enthusiastic performance however, and even i was able to get past her obvious drawbacks, so i guess that's the important thing to me. i'd still rather watch her than a lot of the unenhanced but uninvolved girls.
That get to the heart of it, doesn't it. For some people porn is a check list, and for others it's the (nearly) vain hope they might actually get to see some hot sex with real heat.
If you're a check-lister, nothing matters but the check list and you're oblivious to everything else (Chicks stepping on mice in high heels!)
On the other hand, if all you want to see is some real heat, you'll overlook nearly anything, even fake boobs and ugly tattoos to catch a glimpse.
Obviously it's a lot easier to make porn using a check list (can't go to the Walmart and get a can of spray-on passion), which I suppose explains why Dumblonde and Quaze both seem so angry and/or depressed when they talk about porn.
Oh, I don't know. I think many of us on the fan side fall somewhere in the middle there. I certainly lean much more heavily toward the real heat side of things, but I'm not willing to overlook "nearly anything" to get it. :) There's something to be said for the pure eye candy aspect of porn. Most of my dollars go to those who can capture a fair amount of heat without sacrificing that eye candy. Granted, though, because of that requirement, my options are very limited. :)
Fake tits, tattoos - whatever , if a scene blows we aren't putting it in our movies. With my previous company (name deleted due to respect) we'd put anything with a pulse into a box and sell it. As far as the gentleman from Comstock films is concerned, the only time I'm genuinely depressed/angry is when we've spent too much money on a scene only to scrap it because it ended up being a piece of shite. There is no checklist. We try to book hot girls who do hot scenes. A very few times we've compromised but for the most part we succeed and if a scene outright sucks, we toss it. It's a very expensive way to do business but hopefully the consumer will continue to reward us with big numbers for our efforts. Tony C, to the best of my knowledge you've released one movie and a whole lot of hyperbole. I make my living doing this. I have to stand behind 4 releases every month. When you get to that point, drop me a line.
Quaze
P.S. This post sounded bitter. I am not a bitter person. My apologies to all involved. I'm still tired, jetlagged and hungover.
P.P.S. We're starting work on the website this week at long last!!!
Touchy, touchy! Don't you recognize a compliment when you see it? Of course I suppose it doesn't mean much coming from a fellow who's only released one movie and a whole lot of hyperbole.
I apologize Tony. It's 1 pm and I'm just getting out of bed. Jetlag is driving me NUTS!!!! From all I've heard, your movie is very good and in a cinematic way too which is something I am incapable of as a simple porn jockey. Seriously, please excuse my demeanor today.
"Why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends"
Quaze, here, have some silliness to help with that grogginess:
In tribute to your hard work and dedication to quality, I offer this horrid alliteration play on thoughts from this threads and others. Something about quadruple anal with amputee dwarves wearing protheses juggling torches and pitchforks:
I agree. It's impossible to avoid tatoos completely, just continue to avoid stupid tatoos, especially tit-tat's (why anyone would ruin a perfectly good tit with a tatoo is beyond me).
I don't have a problem with either tits or tats as long as the performance is top-notch.
That said, I don't think you'll EVER hearing me bitching about Zero Tolerance deciding to include either Friday or Ava Divine in any of their features.
I have seen some of the movies that you guys make at ZT and I think the girls that you use are pretty hot and fresh. I like the fact that at least you recognize the fans in general don't like to see huge tattoos, bad implants, or other scars on a girl, but it's understandable that finding girls like that to be in porn is pretty tough.
I also find your bonus scenes on DVDs excellent, they're not just a stupid blow job, rather a whole scene with a girl who's not in the feature.
keep up the good work, and bring us more hot young chicks, who preferably do anal.
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Posted - Nov 5 2003 : 1:25AM
You shouldn't believe everything a company say on the box. Because their intention is to make you buy the video. I have seen videos where they are advertising "Fresh New Girls" and the girls have done 50 scenes already before they even release it. So caveat emptor.
Please keep in mind that every company in the business is within a 2 mile radius of each other. We could book a girl for her first scene and she could then leave our office, cross the street and book 5 more with RedLight or Anabolic or vice versa. The only way around this is to sign brand new girls to a contract of some kind and that's just not feasable. We aren't trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes here. Every girl in any of our movies can be seen in movies by other companies. The consumer decides which company presents that girl in the most alluring or flattering or depraved manner . WIth "Virgin Surgeon" we tried to get girls who had been in only one or two movies but that doesn't mean that by the time our movie came out that several other companies hadn't already released titles with the same girl. The average career span of the modern porn starlet is about 6 months. We try to shoot the newest girls as soon as possible for movies like Virgin Surgeon but sometimes others beat us to the punch either in production or release date. I'll always give you the undedited press release here. There are some things that the company does that drive me crazy. I thought it was a mistake to put Bobbi Eden in "Virgin Surgeon". She's stunningly beautiful but she's been around for a few years. Granted - she only worked with girls and her boyfriend but she is certainly no camera virgin ( although we apparently got her first non - girl/girl and non-boyfriend scene) . We do not engage in false advertising but if anyone is unhappy or dissatisfied with anything we've done you have every right to tell us that we suck (hopefully this won't happen. I have a fragile ego and a drinking problem) ):
Dear God!! If I didn' t have to work tomorrow I'd take a fistful of Xanax and see all of you in 3 days. As it stands, it's 5am, I can't sleep and I've seen some of the most interesting infomercials ever lensed. Should I buy a Bowflex or Tony Robbins "Get the Edge" video?
"We are 6 people trying very hard to make an impact in an oversaturated marketplace."
I don't see how adhering to your "principles" is making an impact on the market place. For one thing, I don't really understand what those principles are. Whbat's the thing about not having "suitcase pimps?" Is that something that I , the consumer, should be concerned about? How does this impact what I see on the screen? Secondly, is there evidence that porn watchers are getting sick and tired of seeing girls with body art? It seems to me that there is a healthy selection of girls with or without tatoos.
In short, it seems that this is more of a marketing ploy on your side (which is cool) than a true original edition ot the way porn is made.
It seems to me that if you really want to stand apart from the crowd (a crowd that , btw, is already making and marketing movies with "all-natural" girls), you will have to do something a little bit more daring.
, and ask magazine readers to write in with their own markings. 
