Zero Tolerance movies suck!

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Nun Porn Deactivated User 22 Posts 5/04	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 5:43PM I have rented seven different movies made by Zero Tolerance and they all sucked. The guys at that company have proven that anyone with a camera can make porn. Every scene in their films is the same: Step 1: Have girl talk about herself. Step 2: Have guy come in and have girl give him gagging oral. Step 3: Have guy fuck girl in pussy. Take cock out and have girl suck it. Fuck pussy again. Step 4: Have guy fuck girl in ass. Take cock out and have girl suck it. Fuck girl in ass again. Step 5: Shoot load in girl's face. Where have the guys with the creativity gone? They certainly do not work for that company. Edited by - nun porn on Jun 2 2004 [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 6:09PM Internal Combustion 2 &3 are pretty great. I have not been blown away by the couple others I have seen (Who's Your Daddy and Grand Theft Anal and Virgin Surgeon). The Apri Flowers anal deflowerment included on a preview disc I got is quite good, though. [Link]
Silent Jay Member Venus De Costello 694 Posts 12/02	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 6:16PM I Bought Internal Cumbustion 4 And i Really Like it Good Lighting, Nicely Shot, Great Cast Silent Jay - Host of the NON-Televised "Silent Jay Show" [Link]
Nun Porn Deactivated User 22 Posts 5/04	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 6:37PM skronker wrote: Internal Combustion 2 &3 are pretty great. I have not been blown away by the couple others I have seen (Who's Your Daddy and Grand Theft Anal and Virgin Surgeon). The Apri Flowers anal deflowerment included on a preview disc I got is quite good, though. Click to expand Grand Theft Anal and Virgin Surgeon are two of the films that I rented. The manager of my local video store stocked the shelves with a lot of Zero Tolerance's films, but he told me that they haven't been renting or selling well. After seeing some of them, I know why. In my opinion, Zero Tolerance's films belong on the discount rack with other bad porn. [Link]
pornopunk Senior Member 1343 Posts 2/04	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 7:17PM I really like ZT's movies. Grand Theft Anal, Black in the Saddle, and Ass Cleavage are favorites of mine. -PornoPunK [Link]

M.B. Senior Member 1679 Posts 2/01	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 7:21PM I liked Strip, Tease, Then Fuck #1. But I haven't seen much else from them that I liked. Edited by - M.B. on 6/2/2004 7:21:06 PM [Link]
nietzsche Deactivated User 5470 Posts 8/03	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 7:38PM I think ZT's pretty good. [Link]
Darth-Morpheous Deactivated User 1701 Posts 3/02	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 7:40PM I think ZT is one of the best studios out there. I like the format especially. I hate when directors put together an obviously phony senario. I like when the girl talks a little about herself, then get it on. I do agree about the choking. It is a phenominon I just don't understand. Why do people like to see girls roughed up and gagged? It makes them look like shit and it is obvious that they aren't enjoying themselves. Darth-Morpheous adultdetective.com [Link]
valjean4876 Member 953 Posts 3/04	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 7:44PM I think Virgin Surgeon 2 is an outstanding movie. I happen to like Mark Davis, though. He usually has the girl take her shoes off. As I've said before, there is nothing worse than a great scene in which the girl keeps her shoes on. Wasted potential. [Link]
Nun Porn Deactivated User 22 Posts 5/04	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 7:48PM Darth-Morpheous wrote: I do agree about the choking. It is a phenominon I just don't understand. Why do people like to see girls roughed up and gagged? It makes them look like shit and it is obvious that they aren't enjoying themselves. Click to expand I think that the guys that enjoy doing this kind of stuff to women are guys that actually hate women. As you stated, the women are not enjoying themselves, and it is obvious that the guys in Zero Tolerance's films couldn't care less. Zero Tolerance seems to have an addiction with making women look like sex toys rather than human beings. [Link]
Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14594 Posts 3/02	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 7:48PM I loved School of Cock. The Grand Theft Anals have some good scenes and I like their Strip Tease Then Fuck series as well. ZT may not produce the champagne of porn, but they've got some good stuff. Different courses for different horses, I guess. [Link]
dumblonde Senior Member 2352 Posts 7/00	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 7:49PM Obviously people just have different tastes in porn. I've seen the stuff from other gonzo directors and studios who get praised on these boards and I don't get what people see in them either. I won't mention any names or start a thread about how much I think they suck, since it's just my personal opinion however. I've seen a lot of titles that I like from ZT, and some that I don't, or just aren't to my taste. I liked Virgin Surgeon, but not the second one, since in four out of six scenes, the new girl was slapped and gagged. And people wonder why it's hard finding American girls who will do porn. I think the gonzo genre itself is wearing thin, so that shelf should be pretty crowded. What you described could be applied to just about anyone, especially the jerk-to-pop facial finishes. btw, why is a nun watching porn anyway? [Link]
Mike Quasar Zero Tolerance Reluctant pornographer 1765 Posts 7/01	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 7:56PM Hey Nun Porn. Choke on my thick viscuos choad!!! I'm sure the manager of "your local video store" offered this information to you, a simple and unbiased customer. The manager of my local K-Mart often takes the time to offer insight into why the Martha Stewart collection isn't moving the units he'd hoped. You certainly have NO personal agenda against anyone at our company. You're simply an average fan who wants his opinion heard. PULLLEEEZE!! If Zero Tolerance movies aren't selling well I suppose that all those re-orders we get are acts of charity. Suck my ass. Moderator - this got ugly. I sincerely apologize. Please feel free to lock this thread now :) Quaze [Link]
dumblonde Senior Member 2352 Posts 7/00	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 7:59PM Go Quaze! [Link]
bono-ONE All-Star Member SAMCRO 8570 Posts 8/00	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 8:19PM I have viewed and reviewed a lot of Zero Tolerance's dvds and I have liked a lot of what I've seen, no surprise there huh,lmao!! They have shot some of the hottest girls in the biz and I think they've done well. That first Blow Me Sandwich with Monica and Lea on the cover was what got me into their studio and from then on it's been a whole lot of fun watching!! I can't wait to see what Monica Sweetheart cums up when she directs for them!! [Link]

Nun Porn Deactivated User 22 Posts 5/04	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 8:22PM Mike Quasar wrote: Hey Nun Porn. Choke on my thick viscuos choad!!! I'm sure the manager of "your local video store" offered this information to you, a simple and unbiased customer. The manager of my local K-Mart often takes the time to offer insight into why the Martha Stewart collection isn't moving the units he'd hoped. You certainly have NO personal agenda against anyone at our company. You're simply an average fan who wants his opinion heard. PULLLEEEZE!! If Zero Tolerance movies aren't selling well I suppose that all those re-orders we get are acts of charity. Suck my ass. Moderator - this got ugly. I sincerely apologize. Please feel free to lock this thread now :) Quaze Click to expand Actually, the guy that runs the video store is a long time friend of mine and he offered the information during a conversation that we were having about how his business had been going lately. I do not have, as you suggest, any type of a personal agenda against anyone at your company. I do not know any of you, so why would I? I am just offering my opinion based on the films that I have seen from your company. To be honest, I think the films that you guys make at Zero Tolerance are some of the worst porn that I have ever seen. Obviously though, there are many people out there that like your films, as others in this thread have stated. If they like it then more power to them. By the way, do you always respond to people that have criticisms the way that you just did? Also, I think that it is unfair for you to suggest that the thread be locked. It is obvious that you want that done simply because the thread contains criticisms of your company. Edited by - nun porn on 6/2/2004 8:25:01 PM [Link]
Cognex Member 126 Posts 2/01	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 8:24PM Welcome to GONZO!!!!!! [Link]
HairyHand Member 26 Posts 3/04	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 8:29PM Nun Porn wrote: By the way, do you always respond to people that have criticisms the way that you just did? I also think that it is unfair for you to suggest that the thread be locked simply because it contains criticisms of your company. Click to expand Actually I thought Quazerman was speaking about his reply to your posts and not about the criticism of ZT. Though I think the title of the thread seems critical of a company that doesn't deserve it. I mean there are many horrible porn companies much worse than ZT. You might want to check out Leisure Time stuff. Now that stuff sucks. "I'm just like any other man, only more so." [Link]
pornopunk Senior Member 1343 Posts 2/04	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 8:32PM Cognex wrote: Welcome to GONZO!!!!!! Click to expand Well put! Bring on the slapping and gagging. If American chicks don't want to do it, and I'm sure that's not the case for all,then bring on the Euro girls! -PornoPunK [Link]
Nun Porn Deactivated User 22 Posts 5/04	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 8:39PM pornopunk wrote: Cognex wrote: Welcome to GONZO!!!!!! Click to expand Well put! Bring on the slapping and gagging. If American chicks don't want to do it, and I'm sure that's not the case for all,then bring on the Euro girls! -PornoPunK Click to expand But what is the appeal of having a woman slapped and gagged? My feeling is that any guy that is into watching that has some serious issues and I cannot imagine what happened in any girl's past that would damage her mind enough to be willing to have that done to them. Maybe this is why I am so against Zero Tolerance's films. Everyone one that I have seen is loaded with women allowing themselves to be abused and every guy seems to enjoy doing it. It really makes me wonder about the guys running Zero Tolerance. My guess is that they think of women as objects that can be used and discarded and the women serve no purpose other than to make them money. [Link]
pornopunk Senior Member 1343 Posts 2/04	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 8:49PM Nun Porn wrote: pornopunk wrote: Cognex wrote: Welcome to GONZO!!!!!! Click to expand Well put! Bring on the slapping and gagging. If American chicks don't want to do it, and I'm sure that's not the case for all,then bring on the Euro girls! -PornoPunK Click to expand But what is the appeal of having a woman slapped and gagged? My feeling is that any guy that is into watching that has some serious issues and I cannot imagine what happened in any girl's past that would damage her mind enough to be willing to have that done to them. Maybe this is why I am so against Zero Tolerance's films. Everyone one that I have seen is loaded with women allowing themselves to be abused and every guy seems to enjoy doing it. It really makes me wonder about the guys running Zero Tolerance. My guess is that they think of women as objects that can be used and discarded and the women serve no purpose other than to make them money. Click to expand Not me I have a girlfriend who enjoys rough sex as much as me. She doesn't like to watch porn though. It's all fantasy and pain isn't always a bad thing in the right circumstances ,ie two consenting adults. Everybody has their thing, rough sex doesn't appear to be one of yours. It's all good. I think people should be able to get off on whatever they want. As long as it's legal. -PornoPunK [Link]
picman Senior Member Nothing says I love you so much as a tongue in the ass. 2884 Posts 1/03	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 8:50PM All the negative criticism leveled at Zero Tolerance could apply to every company in porn valley. The slapping and gagging, sex as menu items in a neat format comprises at least 90% of what's being released. I think a lot of the women performers are involved in a star wars competition to see how much they can handle. If there is anything wrong with Zero Tolerance it is simply that they have the technical aspects of videomaking down solid, but I don't see any directors with a distinctive style emerging from the pack. That just makes them a solid, but not exciting company. Just my opinion. [Link]
Mike Quasar Zero Tolerance Reluctant pornographer 1765 Posts 7/01	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 8:54PM Nun Porn The title of your thread is "Zero Tolerance Movies Suck". You might have tried a little more decorum in opening up this dialogue if you wished for a civilized response from me. Had you titled your post "I dislike Zero Tolerance Movies" I would have responded in an entirely different manner. You set the tone for this particular discussion. Your points are well taken however and I agree with Dumblonde that this entire genre is getting incredibly stale but the motto "the customer is always right" is a religious edict in this biz. Why do you think so many companies copy one another? Why so many "cream Pie" titles, why so many anal titles? Because they sell. In this environment all one can hope to do is make as good or better product than the next guy who's essentially producing the exact same thing as the guy after him... and so on and so on. If you'd like to begin anew with a discussion about what we as directors and producers can do to breathe new life into a tired genre I'd be more than happy to participate. However, if your pat answer to everything discussed here is "Zero Tolerance sucks" then I'm afraid it's back to childish, reactionary name-calling Quaze [Link]
TonyC Comstock Films 2523 Posts 8/03	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 9:39PM Mike Quasar wrote: If you'd like to begin anew with a discussion about what we as directors and producers can do to breathe new life into a tired genre I'd be more than happy to participate. Click to expand Super16! -T.C. [Link]
Asmodeus Lord of Lust az-mo-day-us 6338 Posts 10/01	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 9:43PM Nun Porn, there's a simple solution if you don't like ZT or any other similar productions: don't watch it. BTW, why is a nun checking out this stuff anyway? [Link]

M.B. Senior Member 1679 Posts 2/01	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 10:05PM I haven't noticed that ZT has rough type sex in their movies. Their first release or two did, but nothing since from what I've seen. Then again, I haven't watched anything from them in awhile, I rent maybe one out of every 6 or 7 titles that they release. I think Mike Quasar even said they toned their stuff down a bit after the first "Who's Your Daddy" movie seemed a bit rough for some people. Internal Combustion #1 is another one of their titles that I thought was good. Edited by - M.B. on 6/2/2004 10:07:31 PM [Link]
Renee Member 765 Posts 8/03	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 10:10PM Nun Porn, you said you watched a total of 7 Zero Tol. films, but if you didn't care for them, why didn't you stop after 2-3? This sounds like sheer lunacy. Why are you ragging on ZT for their treatment of women in their movies? From the three I've seen (Virgin Surgeon 1, Wet Dreams Cum True 1 and Who's Your Daddy 4), their treatment is better than a good half of the porn companies out there. Have you watched at least 7 titles from five or six other well-known gonzo companies? Some of them make it a mainstay to not only slap and throat-gag the women whenever, but have actor/directors constantly calling the women sluts, bitches, or whores. Zero Tolerance in certain respects is tame compared to some of the others out there. Tell you what, go out and rent 4-5 titles each from Red Light District, Anabolic, PXP, Mayhem Pictures, Elegant Angel, and Evil Angel. Take a good two or three weeks to work your way through these selections, then come back on this message board, and let us know about your new, well-informed opinion, as opposed to the one you posted today at the beginning of this thread. P.S. Over on this thread, Nun Porn wrote: Belladonna's ass looks so good with a baseball bat in it. Doesn't exactly sound like a person who cares all that much about respecting women. [Link]
Nun Porn Deactivated User 22 Posts 5/04	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 10:42PM P.S. Over on this thread, Nun Porn wrote: Belladonna's ass looks so good with a baseball bat in it. Doesn't exactly sound like a person who cares all that much about respecting women. Click to expand The difference is that in No Limits #01(Sineplex), Belladonna is enjoying the sex. In every film that I have seen from Zero Tolerance, none of the women seemed to be enjoying the sex and the men in the scenes do not care if they are. The men in Zero Tolerance films treat the women no better than some guy who is kicking the crap out of his dog. [Link]
Mike Quasar Zero Tolerance Reluctant pornographer 1765 Posts 7/01	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 10:59PM Maybe there's another company out there called Zero Tolerance that I'm unfamiliar with. Your assessment of our product quite frankly befuddles me. I, like you, have no interest in seeing a woman objectified, humiliated or otherwise treated poorly. I have seen movies from other companies that I have found not just offensive personally but truly shocking. By comparison, some of our titles resemble the Lion King or Lilo and Stitch. In short, I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Go rent one of Mason's movies or perhaps an offering from Rob Black or Thomas Zupko and see if you are still offended by "Who's your Daddy". ..and sorry Dude, I don't care how big her smile is, NOBODY enjoys having a baseball bat in their ass. Perhaps you can peruse some of the other threads up today such as the one asking about multiple anal cumshots being "farted" into another girls mouth and pass your judgement there. This thread is tired. Quaze [Link]
Nun Porn Deactivated User 22 Posts 5/04	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 11:03PM Your "We are not as bad as other people" defense is comical. [Link]
Max Booty Member New Orleans 484 Posts 6/03	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 11:05PM Renee wrote:Why are you ragging on ZT for their treatment of women in their movies? From the three I've seen (Virgin Surgeon 1, Wet Dreams Cum True 1 and Who's Your Daddy 4), their treatment is better than a good half of the porn companies out there. That is indeed the thing. I find their content to a lot milder, in a good way, than most of the other companies out there. More than almost any other company out there it seems like ZT plays to the fantasy angle of sex....which I think is unusual for a gonzo company. Now if you were throwing stones at companies like Red Light, PXP or even some Evil Angel titles, I think you would have something to talk about. Personally, I've liked most of what ZT has put out there. It is some of the best shot porn, the girls always look great and Quazerman is still the funniest guy in the business. Still, at the end of the day it is indeed your choice how you spend your money. Max Booty "She smells like angels ought to smell." Frank Miller, Sin City [Link]
cv Member My reviews[/url] 594 Posts 7/03	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 11:06PM How much longer until Nun Porn's profile is deactivated? Anyone? Moderators, please move this thread into Polls if necessary... [Link]
Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 11:07PM This thread is bullshit. Zero Tolerance, along with New Sensations/Digital Sin, is my favorite company right now. I can run down a list as long as your arm about why that is, but I really don't feel the need since the argument here about them sucking is so obviously paper thin. In short, ZT is one of the few companies out there that I will go into my pocket and spend money on their product knowing I won't be disappointed. This month alone I've bought Grand Theft Anal 4 and Double Decker Sandwich 4. I have ZERO complaints with Zero Tolerance. [Link]
Mike Quasar Zero Tolerance Reluctant pornographer 1765 Posts 7/01	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 11:10PM What's comical is that you won't go away. When you're 88 years old, connected to a multitude of machines and your breakfast is floating in the bed pan beneath you, you'll regret that you wasted precious moments of your life espousing irrelevancies about the most disposable form of human entertainment . Go visit a museum or read a book without pictures. Quaze P.S. Legitimate discussion stimulates the mind. "You suck because I said so" arguments make people want to kick sand in your face and give you a wedgie. Edited by - Mike Quasar on 6/2/2004 11:16:03 PM [Link]
Nun Porn Deactivated User 22 Posts 5/04	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 11:29PM This from a guy that makes a living by treating women like they are garbage? You are hilarious. Could you spew out some more puke? Edited by - nun porn on 6/2/2004 11:31:08 PM [Link]

Silent Jay Member Venus De Costello 694 Posts 12/02	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 11:33PM Ok I Think This Thread Should Be Locked Silent Jay - Host of the NON-Televised "Silent Jay Show" [Link]
Nun Porn Deactivated User 22 Posts 5/04	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 11:38PM I agree. There is no point in arguing with some no talent bum who couldn't make a good porn film to save his own life. Even though I have no knowledge of making films, I am going buy a camera tomorrow and start producing porn. If Mike Quasar can do it then I guess anyone can. [Link]
Max Booty Member New Orleans 484 Posts 6/03	Posted - Jun 2 2004 : 11:56PM Nun Porn wrote: This from a guy that makes a living by treating women like they are garbage? You are hilarious. Could you spew out some more puke? Edited by - nun porn on 6/2/2004 11:31:08 PM Click to expand so which Mod is going to throw the troll out? If you ever bothered to watch the behind-the-scenes footage on the ZT discs you've claimed to have watched & hated, all 7 of them, you'd see Quaze & Wendi treat the talent really well and most of them seem to be having a good time. But there really isn't any point in discussing anything with you because you don't want to hear any other point of view or opinions. Max Booty "She smells like angels ought to smell." Frank Miller, Sin City [Link]
cobalt60 Knuckle Dragger 2046 Posts 2/03	Posted - Jun 3 2004 : 12:04AM Mike Quasar wrote: When you're 88 years old, connected to a multitude of machines and your breakfast is floating in the bed pan beneath you, you'll regret that you wasted precious moments of your life espousing irrelevancies about the most disposable form of human entertainment . Click to expand Oh, you fucker! Why, I oughta... Quaze rulez, OK? I'd like to see some good nun porn, though, with demons and priests and little boys and Universal monsters and shit. Make it so. [Link]
Mike Quasar Zero Tolerance Reluctant pornographer 1765 Posts 7/01	Posted - Jun 3 2004 : 12:09AM Nun Porn wrote: I agree. There is no point in arguing with some no talent bum who couldn't make a good porn film to save his own life. Even though I have no knowledge of making films, I am going buy a camera tomorrow and start producing porn. If Mike Quasar can do it then I guess anyone can. Click to expand My Daddy can beat up your daddy.... I know you are but what am I.... I'm rubber, you're glue whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you....blah blah blah. ...and how often is anyone put in the position of having to make a good porn film to save their own life? Will Jesus visit me tonight and say, "If the next volume of Grand Theft Anal isn't up to par, I'm afraid I'll have to afflict you with inoperable bowel cancer". Oh, and one other thing - you're an idiot. Quaze P.S. Clearly this thread should be locked but I'm actually kinda hoping that it isn't.... even though seeing "Zero Tolerance Movies Suck" at the top of the message forum page constantly is probably not so good for business :) [Link]
Tucher21 Member 148 Posts 7/03	Posted - Jun 3 2004 : 12:10AM quaze i have 6 of your movies and they all kick ass..your company is doin great... nun porn makes no sense in any of his ramblings women shouldnt be treated like objects but yet he likes looking at her with baseball bats in her ass...go figure...idiot [Link]
cobalt60 Knuckle Dragger 2046 Posts 2/03	Posted - Jun 3 2004 : 12:13AM I'd like to see a nun with a baseball bat up her...oh, never mind... [Link]
dumblonde Senior Member 2352 Posts 7/00	Posted - Jun 3 2004 : 12:14AM Hey, I'd lock this thread but I don't have the power to do so!!! Personally I think Mike is too talented for gonzo, and would love to see him make some more features, but that's just wishful thinking :) [Link]
p_ramezap Senior Member 1549 Posts 5/03	Posted - Jun 3 2004 : 12:16AM Nun Porn, What do you compare ZT's films to when you say they suck? Please give us examples of what companies you consider producing good porn as opposed to ZT's. BTW, I personally have been pretty happy with most of ZT's stuff that I have watched, "School of Cock" being the best one so far. Amber Rain looked awsome there. [Link]
Tucher21 Member 148 Posts 7/03	Posted - Jun 3 2004 : 12:21AM awesome cast haley holly day amber rain sara jordan [Link]
cobalt60 Knuckle Dragger 2046 Posts 2/03	Posted - Jun 3 2004 : 12:26AM Gonzo deserves talent! Dammit! Or, is it talent deserves gonzo? No, no, that sounds wrong... [Link]
dumblonde Senior Member 2352 Posts 7/00	Posted - Jun 3 2004 : 12:28AM I think Nun Porn has a personal vendetta or something. <<<<[[[[ [Link]
oprlvr Member 101 Posts 8/03	Posted - Jun 3 2004 : 12:32AM Your comment about there being a lack of imagination in porn is right on target. However, to single out Zero Tolerance is unfair considering that the sex in their movies is almost tame compared with their equally successful competition. Also, I've seen a number of their titles and I think what makes them stand out the most is Mike Quasar's incredible camera skills. From the stand point of camera techniques I think their movies really are creative and different from the majority of the endless close-up angles you usually see in porn. I also agree that if you take the time to view the BTS footage you'll see how much fun is happening on the set. I do agree with some of the things that were said in the original post but Zero Tolerance is not even close to being the worst around. There are many more less imaginative and less creative companies out there with no cares other than earning $$$. Zero Tolerance seems to actually be one of the better companies who care about their fans & product while, most importantly, earning $$$. :-) Lori [Link]
DenverDon Benevolent Firmly Embedded in Depravity 5914 Posts 7/02	Posted - Jun 3 2004 : 12:54AM I think this has been run to ground. [Link]