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| danl Member 436 Posts 3/05 |  Posted - Dec 27 2010 : 5:11AMEven for a porn parody, authenticity to a particular time period is very important to me, and its obvious that Director Gary Orona and Producer Tabitha Stevens feel the same with their spoof on Psycho. The costume/clothing for the movie SUPERBLY fits the early l960's, as does the background furniture and decor, right down to one of those old metal circular fans, which must have been extremely difficult to locate. Considerable effort was made to "brush away" tell-tale tattoos on female performers, since in the early 60's about the only folks who wore them were Sailors, Gypsies and Circus Performers. The story line paid considerable detail to the original Bates Motel" theme, and the dialogue for the most part, was believable--a rarity in MOST porn fare! BUTTTT, then, ALL authenticity is "thrown out the window" when the viewer is introduced to the office manager at a Phoenix, Arizona Savings and Loan, played by Dane Cross, wearing those trade-mark "DORKY" ear ornaments of his, something NO office manager in the early 60's would DARE wear to work--Come on, couldn't someone think to tell CrosS to "shit can" the plugs, at least for the movie?? THEN, we meet up with Private Detective Lee Stone, investigating the "missing person's case," and WHAT do we find, but another set of tattoos--best described as Peruvian Nazca Lines-- criss-crossing the upper shoulder and arm, and AGAIN, a MONSTROCITY one just wouldn't see on ANY l960-era man, even Sailors and Gypsies--Circus Performers, maybe. So, that's why I say this Orona/Stevens project was both a HIT and a MISS, and forces me to ask the obvious, if the women had to "get in style" with the time period, WHY in the HELL didn't the male performers, Cross and Stone?? Or, is there some kind of "Double Standard" at work here, and what's good ENOUGH for the women in porn, just does not apply for the men??????? At any rate, Zero Tolerance's "Psycho," which COULD have been a truly GREAT time piece parody, just didn't cut it for me, thanx to "Messers," Cross and Stone, and SOMEONE"S negligence!!! Topic Moved by - Flash on Dec 27 2010 [Link] |
| adogg Senior Member 1338 Posts 7/10 | Posted - Dec 27 2010 : 5:53AM i am sorry to here this and will not be purchasing this title [Link] |
| Mike Quasar Zero Tolerance Reluctant pornographer 1765 Posts 7/01 | Posted - Dec 27 2010 : 10:23AM [Link] |
| MorganKane Senior Member 6037 Posts 10/10 | Posted - Dec 27 2010 : 3:55PM [Link] |
| T0MBOne Senior Member 1200 Posts 5/08 | Posted - Dec 27 2010 : 6:47PM So what else misses? What hits? I just reviewed their Friday the 13th parody and hoped for the best from their Pyscho parody. Not sure if I'll get to review that one---T0MB [Link] |
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| Karloff Deactivated User 319 Posts 7/10 | Posted - Dec 27 2010 : 7:03PM [Link] |
Gore Gore Girl  Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Dec 27 2010 : 7:04PM [Link] |
| Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Dec 27 2010 : 7:13PM [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Dec 28 2010 : 2:08AM [Link] |
| Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06 | Posted - Dec 28 2010 : 4:48AM I can see where he's coming from though. Eternity from Wicked a few years ago kinda blew because all the women had fake nails and zero body hair. Although they did cover up jessica drake's tattoos - not with make-up but with well placed hands. I'd rather hear that people tried and time/budget/resource restrictions prevented them from succeeded then that whole "Lighten up. It's just porn" response. Edited by - savoy on 12/28/2010 4:54:19 AM [Link] |
| danl Member 436 Posts 3/05 | Posted - Dec 28 2010 : 6:49AM Mr. Quasar, who does a lot of work for Zero Tolerance, asks if I'm overreaching a bit? Well, sir, I'm sorry, but I will always expect out of the "steam stream" EXACTLY what I expect from the main stream, when it comes to the CRAFT of making a feature film. Now, if thats overeaching, so be it, but in my mind, its demanding excellence which produces a continually improving product, be it in business, athletics or porn. In reality, I found a LOT of good things from Zero Tolerance's Psycho parody and if anyone takes the time to read FULLY my post, that fact is quite evident. I did, however feel that the ear plugs and garish tattoos on male performers, trying to play character roles befitting the early l960's, completely out of place, and could not help but comment on the fact, ESPECIALLY since a special part of the bts segment showed how, with great care, tattoos were "air brushed" out of the female performers. Thus, AGAIN, I must ask, why is whats good enough for the goose, NOT good enough for the GANDER where porn is concerned?----HELL! when you get right down to it, my post is striking a blow for women's lib in porn, which should be appreciated by ALL the ladies, who take great pains to bring all sorts of erotic clothing to a particular porn shoot, while the men, with the exception of Sean Michaels, show up in the latest fashion wear from Goodwill and Salvation Army!! [Link] |
| Young Herschel Deactivated User 404 Posts 10/09 | Posted - Dec 28 2010 : 8:10PM Mike Quasar, I expected better from Zero Tolerance than that insult to the horror genre and the porn genre as well. It wasn't even a comedy because I could have spent that money on another purchase and I was not amused by that garbage. [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Dec 28 2010 : 10:33PM [Link] |
| Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Dec 28 2010 : 11:22PM [Link] |
| Nameless1 Member 165 Posts 10/10 | Posted - Dec 28 2010 : 11:39PM [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Dec 29 2010 : 2:53PM [Link] |
| Roads To Moscow Dianic Wicked Pictures,Vouyer Media, Axel Braun Productions, Marc Dorcel, JoyBear Pictures, abbywinters.com 1390 Posts 7/05 | Posted - Dec 29 2010 : 4:34PM Roads To Moscow / Twitter: @roadstomoscow Edited by - Roads To Moscow on 12/29/2010 7:08:13 PM [Link] |
| Gary Orona Member Producer, Director, HBO/Cinemax, International Award Winner. 75 Posts 2/10 | Posted - Jan 1 2011 : 11:45PM There was a recent review that raved about my Friday the 13th Parody (AVN) but in the same review it was noted as something of a let-down because I didn't capture it exactly... ??? Millions spent for the originals, pennies spent for these Parodies (which are supposed to be silly and fun by the way!!!). Are you serious? To all those out there expecting the world for $37k... grow up. And put your actions where your mouths are and let's see you match what we do at our budget level. Any takers? I am so proud of Official Psycho Parody. To all you talk, talk, talkers you have no idea how much effort, passion, and spirit go into these titles. Tabitha Stevens is a stellar Producer, Sara Sloane worked her ass off, we bled for this show just to have a moron blast us over EXACT DETAIL!!!! Our budgets wouldn't buy one stars lunches on a major mainstream film so why don't you lighten up a little. Gary Orona [Link] |
| Gary Orona Member Producer, Director, HBO/Cinemax, International Award Winner. 75 Posts 2/10 | Posted - Jan 1 2011 : 11:55PM BTW please feel free to send along your latest work, I'd be happy to give it my review. [Link] |
| Gary Orona Member Producer, Director, HBO/Cinemax, International Award Winner. 75 Posts 2/10 | Posted - Jan 2 2011 : 12:10AM Okay and I've also apparently been living in some kind of alternate universe because I vaguely remember having seen a few old films wherein Men whore glasses too? Or were those also invented sometime after 1960? Tabitha and are really bending over backwards to try to put some really cool production value into our features but I have to confess, these exacting objections are really pathetic. I really wish there were a few more glass-is-half-full kind of people in the world. And to this Young Herschel guy... so much anger. Maybe you'd prefer some overlit gonzo shot on a handycam in living room that's been shot four-thousand times, a little better. Please don't watch any more of my movies, we work too hard on them and that might upset you. Don't know what else to say... [Link] |
| Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Jan 2 2011 : 1:35AM [Link] |
| danl Member 436 Posts 3/05 | Posted - Jan 2 2011 : 2:39AM As I THOUGHT I indicated in my original post, for the MOST part, youall captured the time period EXCEPTIONALLY well with the stage sets and clothing. If you bother to check many of my past posts, btw, I have constantly praised many "steam stream" feature film directors for turning out extremely entertaining adult fare, despite operating with budgets that would make their main stream counterparts, "cringe" in futility. BUTTT, whenever I see something in an adult feature film which is so "far fetched" from the reality of the situation---and which could be so easily "fixed" with a minumum of expense, btw--the "purist" in me must respond. To be honest, however, even you will admit, that neither the "Greasers" of the early 60's, or even the "Flower Children" a bit later at Woodstock, EVER wore the garish type of tattoos, displayed by Lee Stone in this 60's parody. And I STILL would like to know, why the female performers had to "conform" to fit the time period of your film, but NOT "MESSERS," Cross and Stone.????? [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Jan 2 2011 : 4:07AM [Link] |
| T0MBOne Senior Member 1200 Posts 5/08 | Posted - Jan 2 2011 : 11:56AM [Link] |
| Gary Orona Member Producer, Director, HBO/Cinemax, International Award Winner. 75 Posts 2/10 | Posted - Jan 2 2011 : 1:58PM But again, at least I didn't sit on my thumbs. Gary Orona [Link] |
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| Young Herschel Deactivated User 404 Posts 10/09 | Posted - Jan 2 2011 : 2:56PM The beginning of your parody was fine Gary and quite promising, but it failed to deliver with genuine horror and suspense elements like "The Texas Vibrator Massacre" by Loaded Digital or "The SeXXX Files: A Dark Parody" by Digital Sin. I was really looking forward to this October release and I had complete confidence that Zero Tolerance would deliver, given their track record in the parody genre, so I ordered the movie the first week it became available, 10/22/10. I waited even until Halloween weekend to watch it so as to build up the anticipation of the event. After the first sex scene with Courtney Cumms and Mr. Pete I was like "Ok . . . so much for character development. Who are these two and why should I care about them?" Gary, why couldn't Jason just felonyfuck some of those girls and kill them with a toxic creampie? It worked for "Porno Holocaust" by Joe D'Amato, which was the template I had hoped that this movie would adhere to after watching Tabitha Stevens opening scene with Sara Slaone. When the first murder scene did occur I was honestly like "WTF!?!. Why shy away from sexual violence when such controversy is inherent in this genre of movies. There have been several porn features where the antagonist kills his/her victim right after sex Gary. All of the killings in Zero Tolerance's Official Friday the 13th Parody were idiotic and quite insulting to true fans of both the horror genre and the horror porn genre, except for the one with the arrowtip from under the floorboards, budget restraints had no bearing at all IMHO. Edited by - Young Herschel on 1/2/2011 2:58:59 PM [Link] |
| Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Jan 2 2011 : 3:33PM [Link] |
| john lyons Senior Member Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome 1188 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Jan 2 2011 : 4:46PM I know your a film dude. I'm a film dude too and I definitely understand the frustration of being criticized cause, say, the amount of water in a glass changes from shot to shot. I've directed a few movies for far, far, far less than $37,000 (less than $10,000) and I try to make the most of my budgets with what I have available in terms of both actors and crews. I'd never say they even remotely resemble the over-budgeted Hollywood dribble that permeates pop culture, and it does piss me off when people criticize my work for their budgets, but I've learned that if you don't have the money to make something look like a million bucks, at least make sure every other aspect is as good as it can be, especially the look of the cast and the production design. Nothing says "amateur" more than poor casting jobs laughable production design. BUT...I am really sick of porn performers not looking or acting like real people. I'm sick of them all having the same shity tattoos and piercings and yes, in a period piece, that stuff matters. In creating a parody, it is about the details as much as it is about the big picture. If it's 1960, there shouldn't be some muscle dude with plugs wandering around the screen. Even though people did have tattoos in the early 60s, they weren't those awful "tribal" things or tramp-stamps. Casting should be done with that in mind. It doesn't cost extra money to hire an actor with normal earlobes nor does it break the bank to shoot around some unsightly tattoos, if you can't find anyone without them. Hollywood over spends on their films. If someone offered me a $37,000 budget to directed an X rated feature, I could guarantee them a movie which at least looked like a real [low budget] movie with appropriate casting, based on the nature of the characters in the script and shot in locations or sets which looked good and appropriate for the story. Hell, I'm currently shooting a feature on 16mm for a mere $5,000. It's not XXX, but in terms of production values, it'll be on par with most XXX features made today. I haven't seen THE PSYCHO PARODY, so I'm not really able to comment on it. I did watch the trailer and I've gotta say that the production design looks Cheap (with a capital C). Nothing at all like a back-room gonzo production, but still, I don't see $37,000 at work. I see tacky set design with thrift store collectibles thrown around. However, the lighting is very nice and balanced and the [digital] camerawork has that ugly crisp look everyone seems to like. But actually finding real (and inexpensive) locations to shoot in (not in L.A. county, obviously), instead of tacky sets, would have resulted in more authentic looking movie (which could still have been dressed with antique fans and things). Obviously, I don't have a copy of your itemized budget in front of me and I'm sure every penny of that $37,000 went to work, but maybe not in the best way it could have. I also want to clarify, if anyone has doubts, that I'm not picking on you as a filmmaker. Based on the obvious quality of this production, at least compared to the genuine crap that's out there, I know you have your heart in the right place. I've read and admired your posts on this board. You're certainly a talented guy who takes pride in your art. I know you even shot a recent feature on film, 35mm no less, so I have no question as to your absolute integrity as a filmmaker. But unfortunately, when it comes to contemporary "feature" porn making, too many cinematic aspects get minimized or forgotten about for the sake of sex scenes, even in the hands of an extremely capable and talented filmmaker. Again, I might be being nitpicky, or maybe I've just been spoiled by the genuinely great and extremely professional films made by people like Chuck Vincent, Armand Weston, Anthony Spinelli and others, on budgets not much larger than yours. Again, I haven't seen the movie in question so I'm not in a position to judge, but I'm just sayin', $37,000 might not be much in "real world" movies, but you can make a damn good narrative sex film for that amount. [Link] |
| Young Herschel Deactivated User 404 Posts 10/09 | Posted - Jan 2 2011 : 4:47PM I just watched Hustler's "This ain't Avatar XXX" and I thought it would be stupid but it was actually done very well and the 3-D presentation was really entertaining. The ending was a little camp, but overall that parody was done seriously and IMHO it is completely deserving of its AVN best picture nomination this month because the sex scenes with Nikki Hunter, Misty Stone and Chanel Preston were completely kick-ass, the 3-D camerawork was good and the storyline was legit enough to make me feel as if Hustler had made a geniune effort to make a respectable parody of an acclaimed mainstream movie, despite the fact (yes I'm talking about you Gary Arona) that they didn't have James Cameron's multi-million dollar budget which was used for Avatar. This was all I could think of as I sat there speechless after being so thrilled with this Hustler parody of Avatar, especially as I was so hesitent to rent it after being so greatly disapointed by Zero Tolerance's parody of Friday the 13th. Two entirely different genres of porn, sci-fi porn and horror porn yes, but the production quality and the entertainment value between the two was night and day IMHO. Edited by - Young Herschel on 1/2/2011 4:50:05 PM Edited by - Young Herschel on 1/2/2011 4:51:20 PM [Link] |
| john lyons Senior Member Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome 1188 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Jan 2 2011 : 4:51PM IIRC, you started a thread some months ago, a thread I really liked by the way, called "The Parody Plague," or something like that, in which you bitched out Jeff Mullen for creating the "pardody plague," and then proceeded to lament the fact that the onslaught of parodies was killing whatever minimal demand was left for new creativity in narrative features in XXX. Reading that was like putting water on parched lips; I was elated - you were doing something virtually no one else in "the industry" was willing to do: defend XXX narrative films and demand an increase in quality filmmaking in hardcore cinema. I now see that you've fallen victim to the very thing you seemed so against. Care to explain why? Edit: Sorry to Lee Roy Meyers. You were not bitched out in the above referenced thread. Edited by - john lyons on 1/2/2011 5:05:16 PM [Link] |
| Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Jan 2 2011 : 5:06PM Not trying to answer for Gary though -- I have pondered this for a time, and would love to hear his perspective. [Link] |
| Gary Orona Member Producer, Director, HBO/Cinemax, International Award Winner. 75 Posts 2/10 | Posted - Jan 2 2011 : 6:04PM And yes, I've accepted Zero Tolerance's gracious offer to do a few Parody's. The market dictates what it wants and apparently I'm an outsider because I still believe in trying to do original narrative "with sex". Until I can seriously consider gambling on another $200,000. feature on my own again (no current studio is going to put up that kind of money) then I'll continue to do a few Parody's and challenge myself that way. Zero Tolerance is a super company to work with and if they continue to ask me to do feature-style parodys then so be it. I'll jump back into a feature of my own soon enough. Despite the extreme criticisms I'll march right on thank you very much. And John... thanks for that little "Cheap with a capital C" comment. I'm sure your work, whatever it is, warrants much acclaim and I'm very humbled to look up at you on your pedestal so far above and take your abuse with a smile. Gary O [Link] |
| Gary Orona Member Producer, Director, HBO/Cinemax, International Award Winner. 75 Posts 2/10 | Posted - Jan 2 2011 : 6:11PM [Link] |
| Gary Orona Member Producer, Director, HBO/Cinemax, International Award Winner. 75 Posts 2/10 | Posted - Jan 2 2011 : 6:15PM [Link] |
| john lyons Senior Member Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome 1188 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Jan 2 2011 : 6:55PM I've been wanting to see SANATORIUM for a few weeks and intend to pick it up soon. I also intend to check out your film TRANCE. As for my stuff (some of which is XXX and some not), I wasn't trying to compare it to your movies in terms of quality or style. I was simply stating that, seeing as I can get a feature done on film for $5,000, $37,000 is nothing to sneeze at, especially when you're shooting digitally and don't have very costly lab bills. As for the "cheap" comment, that was a low blow which was both rude on my end and uncalled for, though I still maintain that, considering the money at your disposal, you coulda made the sets look more period-authentic. However, my comment itself was out of line, so I apologize. [Link] |
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| Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Jan 2 2011 : 7:42PM [Link] |
| Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Jan 2 2011 : 7:57PM If I were to complain it would be over the fact it doesn't look like a black & white version is included on the disc. This seems like a film where that would be warranted. Especially since Zero Tolerance saw fit to put up a [ invalid url ]. Maybe there is one and it isn't mentioned on the box though. I would also complain about the marketing, or lack thereof, for this title. I wasn't even aware it existed until this thread was created. [Link] |
| Gary Orona Member Producer, Director, HBO/Cinemax, International Award Winner. 75 Posts 2/10 | Posted - Jan 2 2011 : 11:28PM I DID deliver an all B&W version to Zero Tolerance and I'm a bit embarrassed to say that with the holidays and what not I haven't checked the final disc set to make sure that's the way they shipped it. I really hope they included the B&W version as a bonus, I have to say that when I screened the B&W output it was VERY COOL. It feels like you are watching a classic but with real sex and in B&W it is extraordinarily COOL. PLEASE if anyone out here has the set let us know if it's included. I'll check with Zero on Monday and see if that's the case... fingers crossed. Gary Orona [Link] |
| T0MBOne Senior Member 1200 Posts 5/08 | Posted - Jan 4 2011 : 10:59AM Also, a color version immediately sets up the naysayers to diss other aspects of your parody because the original is in black and white. (Why is this in color leads to what about those tattoos?) The black-and-white-versus-color aspect is interesting. For fans of the original like me, you could have the parody in black and white up to (maybe including) the shower scene; for modern audiences, shift it into color after(maybe during) the shower scene. Just a thought---T0M [Link] |
| john lyons Senior Member Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome 1188 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Jan 4 2011 : 4:20PM [Link] |
| Gary Orona Member Producer, Director, HBO/Cinemax, International Award Winner. 75 Posts 2/10 | Posted - Jan 4 2011 : 7:54PM BUT, I actually did a B&W shift to color in the color version! It happens much earlier than you suggested, near the beginning of the movie in the middle of the scene between Sam and Marion in the Arizona Motel Room, but it is there nevertheless. Maybe I can talk Zero Tolerance into a "Director's Cut" special edition later in the year. [Link] |
| T0MBOne Senior Member 1200 Posts 5/08 | Posted - Jan 5 2011 : 10:34AM 10 or so years ago, I spoke with a teenager about his viewing the two different versions of LORD OF THE FLIES. He finally admitted that he liked the 1990 version better than the 1964 film because it was in color. So, with that in mind, I can see why ZT wasn't interested in the b/w PSYCHO version that you mentioned, even as an extra. Perhaps, if it sells well in this color version, they might take another look at those other "Director's Cut" options---T0M [Link] |
| Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Jan 5 2011 : 11:46AM [Link] |
| Gary Orona Member Producer, Director, HBO/Cinemax, International Award Winner. 75 Posts 2/10 | Posted - Jan 5 2011 : 1:22PM Now I'm completely confused as to why the B&W bonus isn't listed on any of the special features notes on sites that are selling the movie. So I guess it's just being overlooked. But ZT has informed me that it is in the two disc set. On a tech note for those interested; the B&W version is not simply a desaturation of the color version. I went in shot by shot and graded the movie for B&W. If we had simply dialed the color out there would have been a lot of flat shots. So we meticulously toned the B&W so it's good and rich. I really encourage more discerning viewers to watch the B&W version as I've stated before, it's very cool. At times you feel like you're really watching Marion Crane have sex with Norman Bates, among other things! G [Link] |
| Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Jan 5 2011 : 11:41PM [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Jan 6 2011 : 4:00AM [Link] |
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