Edited by - joey starr on 7/30/2004 4:08:01 AM

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"I'm not answering any more questions in public, but will be happy to answer them in person. I'll be in New York at the supershow on Tuesday, since I notice a lot of you are American I suggest you meet me there, then."

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The only way that works is if DVSX is charging US customers more than they are charging European customers. If they are doing that, then they deserve to get their prices undercut.

BTW, I agree that those stickers are deceiving. In porn, the primary reason that a company wouldn't want their product sold in the US is fear of obscenity prosecution due to content. Everybody who buys Euro porn knows that. Whether DVSX thinks so or not, these stickers imply that the content is different than in the US version.

If they were really concerned about this problem, they would just press PAL versions of their discs. This would virtually eliminate the ability for a foreign distributor to sell discs back into the US in any significant quantity.

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There was simply curiosity from us fans about possible "Euro" editions.
The same way that people have been debating about Rocco's Euro versions for years and years on the Internet. That's damn all.

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I think that there's kind of a mare's nest of mis-understandings; maybe DVSX picked a bad way to mark their European sales, maybe EroDVD interpreted it badly by assuming there was prohibited content, maybe DVSX (normally so accessible on ADT) could have nipped the question in the bud much earlier....

Scott Kinney
Diversified Video Associates
www.xxx-imports.com

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Anyway, of course I didn't expect to find triple fisting and golden showers in their titles but when you have a title released in US and the same title released in EU (marked as "not for USA") is it really that silly to think that those DVDs might at least be DIFFERENT.. in some way? And, DenverDon, software and porn are not exactly the same thing.

The bottom line is that I am very upset with the way DVSX has handled this. First they keep silent for like a week while they could have at least said "We're looking into it", considering they knew the answer to the inquiry from the start. Secondly, when they finally do respond (doing us a big favor), they unltimately blame it on the consumer. It's us, European idiots, who have misinterpreted the whole thing. There is no indication of any kind of (perhaps even insincere) apology/regret like "We're sorry guys for the confusion...". Nooo, they want to bury the issue asap. I can only conclude that it's either DVSX doesn't give a rat's ass about their customers or Sunchen is a lousy diplomat (nothing personal).. or both.

Oh yes, if I want to register a complaint, I am to travel to Berlin and speak with some dude.. WTF? This is almost funny. No, correction - this is funny.. in a sad kind of way. I am very sorry but it would much easier for me personally to just avoid your titles altogether. That is not to say that DVSX makes bad porn, but since this is very competitive market, I prefer buying from people who are nice to me...

/end rant

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And not everyone uses an RGB cable between their DVD and TV. I do and always have, but some actually have a composite hookup. Yuck.
I think (though I'm not sure) that the players will output an NTSC signal on the composite wires when playing a 60Hz DVD. Many new TV's can't handle this.

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Scott Kinney
Diversified Video Associates
www.xxx-imports.com

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It IS very common for US adult companies to charge a couple dollars less to the foreign customers - after shipping costs, the foreign customers are actually paying more for that same DVD. Unless they don't actually ship it out of the country.

I am not trying to give insight into why EroDVD would be insisting on something that the people at DVSX saw is not true. I am simply saying that there is a reason that (at least to other US porn companies) the stickers make sense, at least in principle. Wording is important, but I'm just saying there's a legitimate reason why there was a sticker there that doesn't HAVE to be about content banned in the US.

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In DVSX's case, the position of the sticker causes the opposite effect of what they are intending. As a US customer, who also buys from Europe, seeing a sticker like that on the outside of the box immediately implies that there is different content on the European discs.

Apparently, I'm not the only one who thinks that way. I'd be surprised if there is anyone who didn't think that way upon seeing the sticker on the DVSX discs. It seems that the EroDVD staff thought the same thing too.

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Agree with Bill and Ramsey entirely on this issue.

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I just wanted to say that I wanted to apologize for contributing to the negativity in the forums, and I am very sorry if anyone saw my tone in my last response as being rude.

Some people on these boards have gotten to know me fairly well, and I would hope that they know that I'm not generally rude in my responses, but am always polite and try to be prompt in answering people's questions.

However, if I did come off as being really rude, then what I will say is that I was just responding to what I perceived was a baseless attack on our company's integrity...which I would like to think would be something that people can understand.

So...now I ask, can't we all just get along?

DVSX. com - Free pics, free clips, NO pop ups, simply the BEST adult studio website.

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I think we all know if you got upset or rude there was probably good reason. I missed the original topic, but it looks as though it was from a foreign poster and I know how frustrating their posts can be at times. I don't know if it's the translation, if they just have different ways of discussing issues, if they have different ideas of what's offensive, or if it's all of those at the same time. I know it's gotten the better of me a few times as well.

<<<<AC Cream>>>> has gotten to know Sunchen(well kinda ) and I know your not negative. In fact I think your 1 of the more polite non-negative Industry folks in here .

Lets all hold hands around the camp fire and sing .

AC Cream

PS Good luck & have fun at the KSEX Games. As I've said in the Forums before I think you all(DVSX) might be able to sweep all the events.

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A few companies release "harder" versions of their movies in Europe. Seeing stickers like we saw on your titles at the EroDVD website automatically made us assume that this was the case with some new DVSX titles.

Many of the European ADT members buy much of their porn from US websites because they can get it sooner and often cheaper. Those people don't want to buy the US version of titles if they contain less footage than the Euro version of the same movie.

In the same vain, there are some of us in the US who are able to play PAL discs and are willing to wait and pay extra to have a European version shipped back to us if they contain more. This is exactly what I, and some others, will be doing with NarcASSist.

Ramsey's original question was just asking advice as to whether it made sense for him to wait until your discs were available in Holland or whether he should order from the States.

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On Rocco Siffredi's European website (www.roccosiffredi.it), the home page says in big letters that his movies there are the 'complete European versions, No USA censorship'. But his American website (www.roccosiffredi.com, which looks like it is associated with Evil Angel), makes no mention that the titles promoted there are the American versions, though one can assume that they are.

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The question wasn't rude, wether it was rude to deny the ADT community a proper answer is anyone's guess...

The "no comment" answer is only too common when a company/individual/governement is asked a question they don't want to answer.

Personally I think this is silly for DVSX as they don't look good acting like this.

Also if there is no watersports/fisting content in the additional footage that supposedly is on the European version, this makes me wonder even more what the fuss is all about?

Edited by - Joey Starr on 7/30/2004 10:48:49 PM

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I'd like to make it clear that in no way the criticism (at least mine) was addressed to you personally. I am sure you are a nice and very beautiful person. However, within the context of this and previous threads, I for one see you as a representative of a company and not as a gorgeous sexy chick. I pay hard earned cash for my porn and I sure as hell want to know what exactly I am buying/renting especially if I can get it cheaper elsewhere. We're talking business here.

And in my opinion, as a DVSX representative, you didn't come off as rude but rather as customer unfriendly, in this particular case. I found it strange to be honest. Ramsey's initial question was completely innocent and logical. The answer and explanation you've provided weren't very convincing and that naturally left room for some speculation which, by the way, wasn't baseless. Not to mention we had to wait for the answer nearly a week. Futhermore, the desire to sweep the matter under the carpet, didn't exactly make a good impression either. I have no doubt that if you were in my (our) place, you'd also question if not the integrity, but at least competence of your sales and PR departments.

Anyway, I have no bone to pick with you personally and I am not on mission to discredit DVSX. I have my personal concerns but that's about it.

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Yeah, I guess we "have different ideas of what's offensive".

Please, forgive I. Must do porn watching now. Me horny. Bye.




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"It´s nice to be Irish at least once in a year."

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COME ON GUYS, I in NO way intended that to be taken as "those foreigners". I said specifically "foreign poster". I was referring to the posters who's 1st language is not English. The one's who have to translate different languages. I'm saying I realize Translating is hard. From reading your posts Walter you are from an English speaking country correct? So in the way I meant it you weren't included. I probably should have said "First Language Non-English posters", but I was lazy and went with "Foreign Posters".

Can't I go a week without controversy!

AC Cream

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I just keep digging the whole deeper and deeper, but my point I was getting at wasn't that people from other countries "can't post" or "they should feel lucky we let them post". I made it clear that I missed the original topic, but after reading this topic I was under the impression that it was a misunderstanding between the original poster & Sunchen. Then I read Sunchen's post where she was apologizing for bringing negative feelings the Forums. Call it chivalry, Call it being overprotective, or whatever. I wasn't about to sit by and watch Sunchen feel outcast because of some misunderstanding.

Walter,

If you were the original poster I sincerely Apologize for my mistakes in this situation. Because I didn't take the time & find the original post it caused my comments to be seen as "you foreigners" comments, which they were not. I hope you can except my apology. I love having people from other countries posting in here. It gives interesting incites on many topics and I hope you feel that goes both ways. "I LOVE YOU MAN!"

Tricia,

I hope this cleared my comments up a little better. Also Tricia I don't know if Sunchen will read this, but if she doesn't please let her know that I'm sorry if my comments made her situation worse. My attempt was let her know she wasn't seen as a negative person. Thanks Tricia

AC Cream <----emotionally drained

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I don't really blame Sun personally for not responding quicker. She's usually very prompt.
But DVSX comes across as a pretty small outfit, so it did surprise me that it took so long to get the official position formulated. And it was definitely a mistake, PR wise, to ask for the thread to be locked.

Anyway, I'd think that's all water under the bridge now, and Tricia's good advice should help ensure it doesn't happen again anytime soon.

No I'm not pissed at you AC, but you might have taken the time to find the other thread before you apologised to Walter without knowing who started the thread.
There aren't that many threads with the locked folder icon.

I guess we all make the occasional post that could have been worded better.
What, with my limited grasp of the English language, I'm sure I've made a few.

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AC Cream

Enough is enough.
I won't call you names because I like to respect this forum's rules no matter what.
Shame on you, and all the people like you, wherever they are.

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Let's sum up what we have so far.

Q: What are the differences between US and EU versions?
DVSX: No differences.
Q: Why is there a black label?
DVSX: It's there to track DVDs in Europe in order to prevent bootlegging and backward sales. (<- don't know if that's the correct term)

Meanwhile, "EroDVD insists there are differences although acknowledges it's not fisting and pissing!"

Now, based on that and ignoring the negativity, I still have some questions..

1. Does DVSX utilize this label on all DVDs that go overseas (to EU) or only on some titles? And if it's only on some titles - why?

2. Again for the record, are there ANY differences whatsoever between DVDs with the label and w/o one? And I don't mean just content wise, but anything: packaging, behind the scenes, covers, menus, dvd extras, etc? Are those discs absolutely 100% identical?

3. Does DVSX plan on continuing to use the black label in the future?

4. Why would EroDVD claim there are differences, in your opinion?

Thank you.

Edited by - Zoid on 7/31/2004 2:46:54 PM

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Thanks for your comments & the link to the original post. I definitely should have taken more time and worded my post better, but in the situation my judgment wasn't great. At the same time I feel my comments are being taken way out of context.

Sbando Boy,

I in NO WAY called anybody NAMES. I'm actually rather upset you would put me in such a category. I did NOT attempted to break any Forum rules. "Shame on me, all the people like me, wherever we are"???? Yeah, shame on good hearted, Porn & ADT lovers everywhere. You should all be ashamed of yourselves!

Ramsey,

I knew when I wrote that Chivalry line somebody would call me out for it . The point I was trying to make was that I can't just take Sunchen "the person" out from the DVSX spokesperson. I've seen too many topics that Sunchen put positive feedback into to see her apologizing for being a negative posters. Ramsey, I'm sure you can understand the base of where my comments came from. Also Ramsey, You and I have been in so many topics posting side by side(a lot of times on the same side of an issue ) that I would hope you wouldn't have believed those comments were meant to be disrespectful to "posters not in the US"(using this now instead of the F. word).

Ramsey, Walter (again), and any other person from a country other than the US. I sincerely Apologize for the wording in my comments. While the people who assume(d) there was hate behind the comments are WRONG I still can understand that in a world where Hateful people do exist my comments might have been seen as coming from such hate.

Lets get back to the Porn talk!

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I got labeled a Hateful person, but I bet the comments above my previous post get NO BACKLASH.

"Poor Sunchen + Idiot AC Cream"???? Wonderful, just wonderful.

AC Cream

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So Walter, can you switch back to English please? ;-)

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You made a stupid comment, basicially off topic, in a thread that obviously doesn't concern you and without knowing the whole situation. Then you claimed you didn't mean it. Well, perhaps I used the word "idiot" when referring to you but guess what, I didn't really mean that either. You're right, you see. I just don't speak English that well to find more appropriate term. My sincere apologies.

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From what I know, Walter is a film studies professor at a university in Brussels, Belgium. His native language is Flemish (Dutch), not English. That being the case, Walter writes far better in English than a number of North Americans who post on this board, both porn fans and performers.

If I had a dime for every time that a North American here on ADT wrote a sentence where they didn't capitalize the first word or proper names, they misspelled every tenth word, left out vital punctuation marks,or strung independent sentences together with a bunch of commas, I'd be rich. It's downright shameful. Frankly, I find it impossible to judge where a person is from based on their understanding, or lack thereof, in regards to English grammar and spelling.

As an aside, I believe the word 'idiot' has similar meaning and spelling in English, French and German. This probably holds for Dutch, as well.

Edited by - Renee on 7/31/2004 5:10:02 PM

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Seriously, you don't have to tell me to let the case rest as I've never had any case with him to begin with. I thought his remark was uncalled for given the context, but no more than that. Unlike some of you, I wasn't even offended. We all say silly shit at times. In fact, I even questioned why so much attention goes to his remark, instead of concentrating on the problem at hand. Okay, I shouldn't have said "idiot".. Sorry for that, AC (no pun intended this time).

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Sorry to continue the derailing of the thread.

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Frankly , many of the posters on this board who don't have English as a first language quietly shame me . You see , my only option from this current tongue is a little dodgy French - just enough , barely , to pass my GCSEs . I'd love to be multi lingual and always promise myself that I'll make a go of it . Next month . Sadly by then the laze has set back in , and my lingo remains stubbornly uni . Still , that promise lingers , so maybe someday ...driven by shame ...

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