Now this is more like it,if i was not stuck in Glasgow i think i would go along lol. Porn censorship ruling to be protested with mass 'face-sitting' outside Parliament Around 500 people are to simulate sex at Old Palace Yard in Westminster on Friday, as MPs debate the recent changes to UK pornography regulations and the effective banning of certain sex acts the government deems morally damaging. The Audiovisual Media Services Regulations 2014 banned "physical restraint", "strong physical and verbal abuse" and potentially "life-threatening" acts from being depicted in online porn on 1 December, in a barrage of ambiguous new rules. Read more: No female ejaculation, please, we’re British: a history of porn and censorship #PornProtest will attempt to break the Guinness World Record for 'face-sitting' (an act that could face censorship) and hold a 'Sex Factor' game show, both using fully-clothed participants. It coincides with the debate of a motion put forward by Liberal Democrat MP Julian Huppert to annul the AMSR changes. The protest is the brainchild of Sex Worker of the Year 2013 Charlotte Rose, who said: "These laws are not only sexist but they taking away people’s choices without consent. "Personal liberty is what we are fighting for on Friday which no one has the right to take away from somebody else." Miss Rose joked on the Facebook page for the protest that there will be "facial colour charts for health and safety to ensure no one is being suffocated" by face-sitting, monitored by adjudicators. "Pornography is the canary in the coalmine of free speech: it is the first freedom to die," renowned obscenity lawyer Myles Jackman told London24. "If this assault on liberty is allowed to go unchallenged, other freedoms will fall as a consequence." If it isn't annulled, the ASMR could mean other acts such as bondage, whipping, penetration by certain objects, humiliation and choking are banned in UK-produced pornography.
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Posted - Dec 11 2014 : 12:44AM
I just watched Conan O'Brian tell a joke about this matter. "It was reported that due to new porn laws in England, several citizens intend to protest the new laws by staging a mass "face sitting" in public. Good luck trying to understand what they are trying to say. Mmmhhmmmhhfff! "
One way for the UK gvt. to break up this protest would be to send out 100 ill-smelling individuals who haven't bathed in days to "partake" in the protest. LOL
Uhm, who runs those commissions in the UK? The spanish inquisition??? (no offense to the spanish, i only referenced the inquisition as the institute that didn't allow anyone to go against the teachings of Vatican, amongst other things). How did they depict those sex acts as offensive/dangerous? Has this been discussed with the public, with consumers even?!? "it’s more important to educate than regulate." <---- And who watches porn to educate? Personally, i would seriously consider locking them all in a mental institution, they have big issues. A psychiatric evaluation should be mandatory for all politicians... I hope that this will not create that dangerous precedent... I've said it before...you don't like, you don't watch it/you don't like it, you don't buy it. It's that simple.
Update from Pandora Blake regarding her site, I Dream of Spanking, which has faced the axe for months and appears to now be at an end. "I built this site so I would have something that was completely my own. This is the project that was meant save me from having to compromise myself, my alternative to spending the best years of my life working for other people. Dreams of Spanking represents my creative independence, my sexual self-acceptance, and my financial stability. It's mine, I made it, it works, it was the biggest thing I'd ever done - and just as it started to pay me a wage, it's being taken away from me."
This is related to a different law from 2008 (the one which means I now have illegal property by UK law thanks to my Texas Vibrator Massacre DVD...), but is part of the same larger effort to rid the British Isles of smut: One Lawyer's Crusade to Defend Extreme Pornography.
The Cameron government now says it will enact legislation to force all porn sites to somehow exclude under eighteens from being able to enter them. The implication being that those who can't comply will be banned. Same goes for those sites not complying with BBFC guidelines, which not only forbid face sitting and other acts mentioned here, but also role playing of the pseudo incest variety. Whether the bans are achievable, which would mean some kind of national firewall, is another matter. It is difficult to explain why a country which is otherwise fairly liberal is so addicted to censorship. It must be remembered, that until as recently as 2000, the sale and distribution of the kind of porn discussed in these forums was completely illegal in the UK, when the government had to finally throw in the towel, albeit with every bad grace. Even then, the sale of DVDs was restricted to licensed sex shops. So politicians and opinion formers of today grew up in a period where porn was virtually prohibited. As a result, Cameron's proposals meet with negligible opposition across the political spectrum and mainstream media. Even worse, many on the left are signed up to a puritanical brand of feminism which sees porn of any kind as exploitative.
I suspect there are many right wing American politicians who's like to follow suit, and a great many bible-belt inhabitants who'd support it. What are the banned acts in the USA out of interest? Fisting seems to be taboo but why and what else? I can buy Kink.com dvds in the UK, but I understand that most are banned in the US.
I believe watersports are also banned. US Legalporno members get scenes with the piss parts edited out, and Brazzers have edited it out of a few Maddy O'Reilly scenes after it was shown in the trailer. Carter Cruise peed on Maddy in the trailer for one scene; Missing from the final cut. ----Dread's Twitter----
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Posted - Jun 5 2016 : 12:46PM
"roleplaying of the pseudo-incest variety"? Wait step-mom roleplaying and dialogue is also banned in the UK?Those type of dialogue and script is becoming more and more common in recent years and difficult to avoid.I thought a lot of restrictions are for porn production companies based in the UK.So essentially to limit or to restrict the industry in the UK which seems to be the governments intention.But how it does it affect me as someone in the audience or do I become liable for something this small-time?
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Jun 5 2016 : 2:35PM
I love that face-sitting is considered life endangering. The English banning spanking is like Americans banning hamburgers. Has this nonsense been overturned yet? Why does the UK refuse to join modern society?
Let's not get too hysterical on freedoms in the UK. We're talking about pornography here (and we're certainly not Japan) rather than freedoms in general. We've heard Trump talk about building walls on the border and banning muslims coming into the US. We don't have a Bill of Rights but we do have the Convention on Human Rights which, right to bear arms aside, guarantees the same rights as Europe, the US and the rest of the western world (and we don't execute teenagers or mentally ill adults; and we don't ban muslim women from wearing a burqa despite the European Court of Human Rights declaring it to be lawful). We're still one of the most liberal and free countries in the world. As for the plan for legislation, let's wait and see. The governing Conservative party is deeply split over the EU referendum (I'm certainly voting to remain) and the talk is, given that the Cabinet is not only split down the middle but members are attacking each other on a personal level, whether the govt can even survive in its current state. If we vote to come out Cameron may have to go; if we vote to stay in, many of his Cabinet colleagues will find themselves out of favour for a long time.
It's important we use the correct terminology and understand that no aspect of art/media is "banned" in the USA (unless it's murder, animal cruelty, or something else that is illegal whether on film or not; "revenge porn" is a recent anomaly in some states). The USA has freedom of speech.......until it doesn't. If the text is deemed "obscene" then the person who created that text can be charged and sent to jail. So, fisting, pissing, etc etc--none of this is "banned." People just tend to avoid particular acts due to fear of obscenity charges.
That's quite true; shouldn't have used the term 'banned'. Just as the UK situation doesn't 'ban' the acts listed, just prevents them from being promulgated in the UK. So Pandora, for example, could pop over to Calais, set up her website there and we'd all be able legally to watch it 22 miles away in Dover.
No one's getting hysterical about freedoms in the UK. In fact compared to the US on some issues it is a secular and liberal country. But the fact is it doesn't do well on questions of freedom of speech, - don't get me started on the 'snooper's charter' and in particular there's usually more panic and concern over porn than in any other western democracy. What other country has an outfit like the BBFC, tasked to examine every adult release to ensure it doesn't breach some arbitrary 'guideline'? Seems an obvious target for satire, but people just seem to accept it without comment. Pandora can relocate over the channel - though why should she be put to that trouble? - but if her site should breach the R18 guidelines then British citizens shouldn't be watching it according to the current proposals. Classic movies such as Taboo and Taboo American Style would not get a certificate from the BBFC and so couldn't sold legally in the UK. Others such as Joy starring the legendary Sharon Mitchell would only pass with heavy cuts. I find this totally absurd.
^ It is absurd. My parents and friends hadn't even heard of it, which is really depressing. They didn't seem to think it was a problem--their attitude was more like, oh well, that only affects pervs. But the "freedom of speech" thing you may as well drop. That isn't part of UK law.
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Posted - Jun 6 2016 : 3:56PM
Is there actually employees that sit there and watch hundreds of hours or porn a month to edit out specific acts? Would they enjoy it and just do the editing to earn a paycheck, or would they hire porn haters who go home in disgust every night
What is more depressing is that your parents and friends attitudes are quite commonplace, GGG. I've enjoyed quite a few of your articles by the way, in particular your review of Angel Buns starring adorable and oh so talented Veronica Hart.
My pleasure, GGG. In reply to Cindy, that's not the half of it. Every time a company wants to release something it has to be submitted to the BBFC, whether it's Mickey Mouse, Laurel and Hardy or Angela White. It doesn't matter if the same material has been passed before. The BBFC charges a fee for every new submission. If it's porn being submitted for RI8, someone will carefully go over it to check for anything prohibited at the time. 'Fluid expelled from the vagina onto another person' is perhaps the most notorious, or it might be a verbal offence, such as a young woman calling an older man Daddy during sex, or any reference to under age sex. The company will then be notified that the offending material is to be removed as a condition of certification. You couldn't make it up.
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Posted - Jun 6 2016 : 5:23PM
No offense but that sounds like a bad case of whataboutism. Compared to most of Europe these laws target sexual minorities like the BDSM community so while it may just seem like 'just porn' there are deeper issues at play. Imagine if it was strictly gay male porn banned, how do you think the gay community would react to the stigma and targeting? And that's not even addressing the sexism of the list. I'd say the statement about being one of the most liberal and free countries in the world is stretching it when there are 20-30 other countries in the world with the same freedoms, if not more. The UK has a bad history of the government controlling speech in a way out of whack with most other Western democracies. What other Western democracy has in their recent history arrested and jailed people for distributing horror films? The video nasty list even included films like Axe that are not really that violent at all, they added films based on their titles and covers, then jailed people over it! Edited by - BlackSix on 6/6/2016 6:25:09 PM
Yes, as recently as the late 1990s, heavy fines and jail sentences were being dished out in the UK to people caught dealing in run of the mill but explicit porn that had been legal in the rest of Europe for over twenty years. The head of the Obscene Publications Squad, an evangelical Christian attended a conference of other Euro police with examples of stuff his men had seized. They were dumfounded. They were rightly concentrating all their efforts on child porn and other really nasty stuff, not the likes of Rocco More Than Ever. Meanwhile another man was taking advantage of this, opening a chain of squalid shops purporting to sell shrink-wrapped 'hard porn' which was in fact rubbish. So successful was this fraud, that he became one of the richest men in the country. He is now a generous donator to David Cameron's conservative party...
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Posted - Jun 6 2016 : 8:02PM
We had reviewers here for the government too (although I doubt they do anymore because there is very little porn renting anymore in stores). Back in the 1990s if I got a VHS rental you would see fisting or double anal edited out... then after 2000 it seemed to change and double anal was left in (yay for me) and so was fisting. I guess it depends on who is the person occupying the room watching 40 hours of porn a week as their government job. what a horrible career to have I would think.. just would kill your sexual desires having to view porn over and over again in such a way.
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Posted - Jun 6 2016 : 8:42PM
^ Those reviewers were reviewing all 'films' so they must still be around. They just don't have to watch as much porn on FF. The rules around what was allowed changed over the years too, so it wasn't just who was watching it. For instance, fisting use to be a no go but then they changed it to 'violent fisting.' lol The rules use to be online, as well as a list of videos blocked at the border and were pretty detailed, amusingly so. It was all because of the bad supreme court decison under Dworkin/McKinnon's influence but over the years the rules go broader and broader to the point where they don't have much teeth. I think the growing social acceptance of BDSM, at least among liberal circles, has a lot to do with it. Last I looked it was mostly pissing, scat and what looked like beastiality titles being excluded. I had customs open up packages from the US with Jake Malone's Fuck Slaves and the infamous BDSM classics Dominatrix Without Mercy and The Image but they just sealed them back up and sent them on to me. Edited by - BlackSix on 6/6/2016 8:45:20 PM
Black Six - no offence taken, of course not. I was a little concerned that comments about the UK not joining modern society were a bit too far, but that's just my opinion. But we're are certainly NOT the only country to ban films that the authorities have deemed offensive. There is a tendency in all countries with so-called freedom of speech to cmplain that when that freedom is curtailed for whatevr reason, that it is a basic attack on our freedoms. But it happens in ALL countries. I just spent half an hour surfing various websites where those in the USA, Germany, Australia, France, Spain and others complain that their freedom of speech is being stifled. It's not just here. And of course there are plenty of countries around the world where you'd be taking a huge risk even making complaints about th authorities I do, therefore, stand by my view that we are one of the freer countries in the world. There are, after all, 206 independent states in the UN, so being in the top 20 or so actually reassures me greatly. Having said we should stick to the debate about porn I've now fallen into my own trap; sorry. Couple of sites to reflect on below. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_films http://whatculture.com/film/15-banned-films-that-shocked-the-world
Incidentally my comments on Pandora were supposed to be ironic; of course she shouldn't have to go abroad and I'm glad she seems to be making progress in overturning the current sitution. As far as internet regulation is concerned the BBFC FAQ section says this: "Are films that are downloaded from the internet rated by the BBFC? Many are. Although streaming and downloading of films is not yet regulated by law, working with the major video distributors and platforms, we have developed a scheme for platforms offering downloads and streaming video to use BBFC age ratings and BBFCinsight. This is designed to help you make informed decisions about what you and your family watch. " I read that as meaning that the guidelines are just that and there is no legal bar to watching unregulated sites.
No, streaming and downloading of videos are not yet regulated by law, but it is the government's intention that they should be and that no British citizen should see anything not first vetted by the BBFC. Regarding Pandora Blake, a lot of performers have been forced to relocate abroad under pressure from ATVOD and its successors. I can recommend campaigner Jerry Barnett's excellent Sex and Censorship site for more info on this and other disturbing trends in the UK. I did not join this site to talk about this depressing subject. I thought the UK had changed for good around a decade ago but now all this nonsense is returning. I first became aware of it a long time ago, on reading an article on Gloria Leonard, and became fascinated about her and others such as Sharon Mitchell, Nina Hartley, Erica Boyer, Annette Haven and more. I knew none of them conformed to the negative stereotypes of women in the porn industry, but their work was completely illegal over here. I recall an interview with Catherine McKinnon on Channel Four in which she came out with the usual guff about women as helpless victims in porn, and the interviewer's final question was ' how can we prevent it happening here? It was difficult to dispute anything she said though as the whole business was unlawful here anyway. So the net has been really liberating.
Note: "However, one aspect of it is now sadly out of date. In January 2016 ATVOD, the unelected quango contracted to enforce the new regulations, was folded by the UK Government. However, the porn laws that were introduced in December 2014 remain unchanged, and the impact is just as bad as ever. The only difference is that the laws are now enforced by government media regulator Ofcom, rather than ATVOD."
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Posted - Oct 20 2016 : 8:59PM
In the latest development, it looks like the BBFC is being tapped as the new regulator to take over for Ofcom. http://newswire.xbiz.com/view.php?id=213129 This whole situation in the UK is outrageous, I've been writing about it since 2013 and I could go on about it. We saw predictions of "Pornmageddon in the UK," sites were targeted and fined by ATVOD, sites were cut off by payment processors and failed. Most of the UK sites that I follow have survived so far, but most of them now have to censor themselves. What will it take for this madness to end?
Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. 248 Posts 1/15
Posted - Oct 22 2016 : 1:12PM
PU forum under the same name. I didn't just write about it, I made an effort to join and download the UK sites that were at risk of being targeted. Focusing just on sites with peeing and squirting content, I came up with 19 sites or networks plus more clip stores. I also kept an eye on ATVOD's website since they would post it whenever they identified a site that was in violation, even if those sites continued to operate without responding immediately to the violation, which was most often the case. That is how I got tipped off to the Hard Glam network and their site WaterSportsSluts.com which had many famous UK models including Lolly Badcock. I saved a full copy of that site shortly before it went under. See this Xbiz interview with Hard Glam's owner: http://www.xbiz.com/news/188991 It is interesting how inconsistently Ofcom's rules actually got enforced and how confused people were about them. I emailed with one webmaster to talk about her watersports content in December of 2014, just after the Audiovisual Media Service Regulations 2014 act got passed. The new law at that point only required ATVOD to formulate new rules that ban R18 content, which led to Rule 14 in February of 2015. Rule 14 is the regulation that actually banned that famous list of sex acts. Even though no new rules were in effect in December, she was under the impression that watersports was already illegal, and she was afraid to have anything to do with the content. Meanwhile, one owner that I thought would be in violation talked with ATVOD and were told they would be fine, while others tried to ask and were told their only means of finding out would be if ATVOD takes action against them. That first owner now does all business overseas through a shell company though, and only produces the content in the UK, apparently as an extra measure of caution. His content is borderline on Rule 14 though, so obviously I won't say who it is here. Edited by - LPee23 on 10/22/2016 1:15:22 PM
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Nov 23 2016 : 11:30AM
Just read this on the Guardian site. Disappointing but perhaps the courts will overturn it? Probably a longshot considering the piss poor legal history of pornography in Britain.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Nov 23 2016 : 11:43AM
Do you think that is due to a prudishness that makes people reluctant to speak out against it or that they're just apathetic because they can access all the vanilla porn they want online?
