I don't know if this has ever been done before, but I think or hope somone will release a Gonzo that is unedited, and uncut. Something that starts filming as soon as the directors/talent start arriving and ends way after the final cumshot and after the last person leaves. Kind of like reality porn. Or like 3-4 hrs of unedited BTS footage. A guy or girl just walking around the house with 1 or 2 cameras. Talking to the stars. Filming the scenes. Watching and recording everything. Even getting some action themselves.
And the main thing is that there are no cuts. It just plays straight through. That way you can get all of those candid moments on screen. And see what happens when a film isn't edited like all other movies. Does a girl really like the taste of cum? What will a girl do after her scene is over? How the talent interacts with one another? Does the talent just bust out and have sex with each other while not filming? A movie like this would answer all of these questions and more. A fresh new take on the porn world.
There are lots of directors putting out product that is almost cut free, off the top of my head Tony T, Mike John, Chico, John Strong, EE, Vince Vouyer, just to name a few, sorry if I didn't have you on the list but you desirve to be, but I didn't want to spend the whole morning thinkin bout it.
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wow! i like the concept. I always wondered what gets edited out when i watch BTS. i enjoy the candid moments. Like the warming up of anal. Where do i finish? Also i enjoy seeing the girl without makeup and street clothes. And instead of the wrap-up interview, how about the girl grading her own scene and what she or he could do better.
There's a new smash movie "moving violations" that explores this concept. Well there is one cut that I know of, when the performer went to the rest room, but everything else is basically uncut
I watched it, I actually find this concept kindda boring. for example, while they are taping the action, they stop and take photos, that is a waste of my time and a woodkiller.
This makes me wonder if editors actually realize, just how much highly prized, potentially fetish specific footage, they may heedlessly be erasing, in cutting what may appear quirky content from mainstream gonzo, whilst trimming it down to finished size.
It seems like Seymore Butts was one to do this - maybe there were a few edits during the sex. Drive Thru (as mentioned) really focused on the no edits thing. My FF button is worn down to a nub so I really don't notice such things, but if you are one to sit through a movie from start to finish you might really get off on it.
This just sounds annoying to me. I think they generally tend to cut out stuff that most of us would have no interest in seeing - like several minutes of the guy jerking off waiting for the cumshot (True, not all directors cut this stuff out but many do).
I guess if you were really interested in the process of how porn was made, it might be cool but I think even some of the stuff that is edited isn't edited enough. Sometimes, a quick establishing shot or a couple of minutes are enough. Watching ten minutes of fucking in the same position from the same angle on video isn't really the same as doing it in RL and can get old real fast.
Four hours for one scene is what this would be it is from arrival to the crew leaving. Do I really want to see the crew clean up? Not only that, but it really wouldn't be from the beginning. They are going to wait until the porn star arrives and gets in the frame of mind. You will not see everybody waiting around for a flake who then arrives bitching at everybody about everything. Have you read some of the things christianx wrote about his experiences? Love to see that mood killing distain before a scene - that really sets it up nice.
I don't want a scene to be interrupted because the girl needs to use the bathroom, or need water or whatever... If all girls in porn were like Gia Paloma in the BTS of Anal Cum Addicts I wouldn't worry though... But the fact is that porn pays girls too good which attracts girls who hates it.
You know what I really hate ? When a hot girl is changing the position, getting ready for the next one and they edit these parts of the movie. These are some of the finer points in porn I want to see.
I agree that does indeed suck. That's one of the things about a scene. When a girl changes positions or when she moves to another location. I hate it when one minute they are in the bedroom, and then *flash* now they are at the zoo having sex surrounded by tigers.
There is no telling how much cool stuff they(directors, producers) edit out of a movie. If done right they could have a hell of a movie on their hands. No one is telling them they have to make an 18 hour long movie. Maybe give the talent and crew guidelines for what they want to see beforehand. Then as the talent starts to arrive, take it from there. Just have seamless non stop shooting. Until the very end. I don't care about watching the cleanup crew. Just keep the cameras rolling on the girls. All the way up until the last one leaves.
But you have to remember. Scenes usually last that long because there are numerous takes. Thats why the guys seem to have incredible stamina. The talent has to stop for numerous reasons. Bathroom, tired, the guy was about to cum, the guy did cum, etc... Now if the director said "Ok. We are going to film straight through. There will be no stopping, unless absolutely necessary.". You better believe those scenes would be a lot shorter. And if a guy did cum half way through, and the girl decides to clean him off, and then they start fucking some more. Guess What? It doesn't get edited out of the scene to make it look like it didn't happen. Or it doesn't stop there and then skip ahead to where the guy is already hard again and fucking her. You get to see her work to get him hard again. That's the beauty of no editing.
I agree. I remember watching the behind the scenes for a "A group thing" from Red Light and was amazed at the stuff they cut out. The best part of movie would have been trying to get a newby to swallow cum and she just couldn't bring herself to do it, so they do a cum swap instead. Watching the girls giggle and talk about swalling cum would have been so hot in the movie.
This is not a new concept, most Evil Angel titles with BTS footage include the stuff your looking for. Some of Belladonna's movies with the BTS footage last for about 4 1/2 - 5 hours.
Yeah but thats the thing. The movie is still edited. They just take some of the edited stuff and put it in the BTS section of the disc. There is still some stuff that we don't see. What I am talking about is unedited, uninterrupted filming. This eliminates the need for BTS to some degree, because you are already seeing everything in the main movie.
This is a challenging thing to shoot because you can't really stop the action to reposition the performers for a better shot but it's also a lot more fun than the usual routine because you don't know what's going to happen. To me it's actually like two different forms of entertainment. You can jack to it or you can watch it like a sporting event.
I think the trick is to use multiple cameras with wide-screen HDTV, so you can intercut between angles using intermittent split-screen without violating the "no editing" concept. While the directing will be difficult because of the multiple cameras (the performers never absolutely sure of how they should be positioned), this is made up for by the extra footage and the extra realism of the continuous action. Any bloopers or accidents (like the guy having to pull out to prevent cumming) only adds to the genuine hottness of the scene IMO. The scene doesn't have to be "movie trailer" paced in terms of compressed action in order to be sexy.
I've been tinkering with this idea for a bit, considering the possibilities. The scene may stretch out for a while if you consider the girl coming in (with makeup done of course). So many of these so-called 'cut-less' movies have cuts.
I really want to have the next Lewd Conduct experimental from what I normally do. Shot two scenes in it, one with Jasmine Tame in her actual homecoming dress from high school, and a three girl one guy scene shot in talk show format. I will shoot a one-on-one scene in this uncut version tomorrow.
Two problems I forsee, sometimes some of the guys need a break. It's hard to fuck full throttle without taking a break and I'm not real cool with showing a scene with a guy jerking off during the off time. Another is that it would not be anal because a 'messy' scene would mean an instantaneous cut.
We will see how it works out. Keeping with my own title integrity, I'll make sure there are no cuts. It may prove interesting. I'll have either Tony T. or James Deen in the scene and it may be shot in HD just for the glory of it.
I just saw Moving Violations and thought the concept worked out great. The position changes didn't really distract from the heat, for me they added to it, making it more real. The only thing I didn't like was the stopping for photo's. Other than that, best new concept since the DP.
There have been a number of movies over the years, going back to the mid-80s, where good scenes were cut down. It left me wondering how much stuff was lost. I remember this scene with Rocco Siffredi and Patricia Kennedy from the mid-90s which seemed really rough and wild but it was so heavily cut that I felt cheated.
Another example: Arianna and the machine in Happy Ending (Wicked). Fucking machine scenes are so rare, especially back in '94. But the scene is cut so much that it is really brief. It's still hot, but a lost opportunity.
Back in the 80s it was even worse, because so many scenes would be packed into a feature that they would be cut down to just a few minutes. Lots of classic stuff that we've not seen.
If manufacturers put out a "From the Vaults" type of video with great scenes from the past, unedited, I'd buy it.
I'm a little confused about what it is that people are claiming here they really want to see--there is no question that scenes in older titles may have been more heavily edited--usually for time--and good footage was lost, but I find most porn under-edited in the wall-to-wall category today. But we would be talking about action footage in any case. What exactly is it about a performer changing positions, or stopping because of a limp cock, that is worth saving for posterity?
Unless, or course, you're arguing for a kind of "reality" porn, where the whole idea is to capture every miscue and mishap, every argument and negotiation, every contactual exchange, every moment where someone fails to perform or bursts into tears, every girl who frantically races into the bathroom and washes her mouth out six times after her swallowing scene is over, and so on--in other words, the kind of stuff that no performer or director is likely to want you to see; to tear down the veil and see the beast exposed for what it really is. But are you sure you really want to see all that?
Remember, when porn stops being a act, it stops being.
One such video that I remember was one from Rodney Moore. He worked with the British-Indian babe Nadia Nyce a LOT, and he put out one or two tapes that purported to show a scene from one of his releases without cuts. I think it was called Nadia, Raw and Uncut.
Also, there was a series about 8 yrs ago called Venom that was close to what you describe, but I do think there were some cuts.
See. You're kinda missing the point a little bit. Its just a unique taste on how porn is filmed now-a-days. Every couple of years someone comes up with a "New" idea that changes the face of porn. Innovation is a great word to use for this. This might just be the next big thing.
Also its not just about postion changes. Even though showing a girl get off of a guy and then walk her sexy body to a new location is hot. Like a second tease scene. But its also about seeing things like girls warming up for anal, or using guy to practice for anal. Or maybe see a girl get so horny that she starts fucking the camera man or sound guy. Or a candid blowjob by all of the female talent on like some guy. Anything can happen. And it will all be recorded. Its new. Its creative. Its a new way to experience porn. It shows that some people have the balls(not saying anyone doesn't) to do something new. Its called change.
Lazerus, I'll take some responsibility for your confusion because what I brought up -- how I'd like to see older scenes re-released at longer length -- is not what the other posters are discussing. But the concept of "unedited" still would apply. I wonder how long companies save the raw footage?
[/quote] That's nice to hear. Trying something new is always fun. [/quote]
Shot the scene. It'll be in the next Lewd Conduct. It's a 40 minute scene when the girl, Savannah Stern arrives with her suitcase full of wardrobe, to the sex, to the pop, to the aftermath. There are no cuts throughout from beginning to end. It's funny as people knock on my door like Jasmine Tame and the Minion and my editor Cal444 come in while I shoot.
It worked flawlessly. There are no cuts and the entire scene will be on the next Lewd Conduct which I'm experimenting with different styles and intros. Unlike alot of other supposedly "Un-Cut" scenes, there are no camera breaks during this scene.
Hope you enjoy it this time around. And Savannah in super rare form, swallows.
What makes this intriguing is that I saw Savannah a couple of hours at the local convenience store buying drinks and asked her to shoot it. Three hours later, we were done with the whole thing. Savannah is one outstanding whore and I love her. snip
Chico Wang
P.S. I Logged into CAL444's account cause that fucking bastard has been using my computer. :)
mod note: Chico, we know you don't like Tiffany Taylor, already. Knock it off.
That's nice to hear. Trying something new is always fun.
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Shot the scene. It'll be in the next Lewd Conduct. It's a 40 minute scene when the girl, Savannah Stern arrives with her suitcase full of wardrobe, to the sex, to the pop, to the aftermath. There are no cuts throughout from beginning to end. It's funny as people knock on my door like Jasmine Tame and the Minion and my editor Cal444 come in while I shoot.
It worked flawlessly. There are no cuts and the entire scene will be on the next Lewd Conduct which I'm experimenting with different styles and intros. Unlike alot of other supposedly "Un-Cut" scenes, there are no camera breaks during this scene.
Hope you enjoy it this time around. And Savannah in super rare form, swallows.
What makes this intriguing is that I saw Savannah a couple of hours at the local convenience store buying drinks and asked her to shoot it. Three hours later, we were done with the whole thing. Savannah is one outstanding whore and I love her. snip
Chico Wang
P.S. I Logged into CAL444's account cause that fucking bastard has been using my computer. :)
mod note: Chico, we know you don't like Tiffany Taylor, already. Knock it off.
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Sweet man. Thats awesome. I will definitely check it out. What number of Lewd Conduct is it?
While It would be cool to see this in a few movies just to know what goes on behind the scenes, it would probably be a woodkiller for me, like what happended in moving violations when Tobi pacific was getting fucked in the ass and then she asks them to stop because she thought she had a tear. Definitely left me deflated, lol. Kinda like watching the matrix uncut, if you can see the wires and shit, it somewhat dulls the suspension of disbelief. Its still an interesting concept though.
I, too, was a fan of the "Venom" series, I'm going to dig out one of the VHS tapes and re-visit the series (or check to see if it's on DVD). Also enjoyed the short-lived "Behind the Scenes" series from Odyssey...
Mike Quasar, I've seen a scene that was supposedly 'uncut' from another company. The ever popular cross dissolve was widespread which effectively negates the whole concept.
I'm just happy I pulled it off so it worked out. I'm glad you did it too. Life is loopy.
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Quaze has done it for four complete videos. That's twenty scenes. Drive Thru may not have the warts and all buildup that some people are talking about, but once the action starts, it's continuous, and I can't remember seeing any doubtful moments or possible editing points.
I like the concept as I believe it lets the viewer see "real sex". I've now seen 'Moving Violations' and a few of the 'Drive Thru' series. It lets you see if the girls are actually enjoying it or not.I could have done without the stills being taken in the middle of the Toby Pacific scene in Moving Violations, but other than that I thought they pulled it off pretty good. That was the only scene where the girl seemed a little too business-like instead of just getting fucked and getting off. I think you definitely need the right performers to make this work. Things I don't like to see in this or BTS is talk about the 'messy scenes', guys sitting there jacking off, or any attempt by Chico at being funny ;^) Also, when a girl makes it clear during the scene or in BTS that she isn't enjoying it or just trying to get through the scene, I lose interest right away. I remember one girl in a BTS interview I watched before the movie talking about how she never gets off during a scene and basically doesn't enjoy it. Not only did it ruin it for me for that movie, but I now avoid any scene she is in in any movie. I guess I want them to keep it real, but keep the fantasy alive. I don't mind seeing a 'whoa, not like that, it hurts', or 'me legs are cramped, can we switch to mish?', but I don't want to see 'are you about done yet?', or or hear the director tell her to talk to him a bit and suddenly she starts screaming like she's having a three-alarm orgasm.
Yeah. You gotta love the over exaggerated moans that some girls make. They are like moaning and the guy didn't even touch her yet. I'm not saying they have to be mute. But I don't want the girl to turn into a radio with no off switch. I love it when a girl knows what to say naturally during a scene. Girls like Hillary Scott, Georgia, and Taryn Thomas(most of the time ) know how to talk dirty in a scene. It adds to the intensity of the scene and it pulls you in. Its like "oh, did she just say that...*rewind*...she did just say that". Its even better when its spontaneous and they don't need a cue. Seeing girls do this in an unedited form is showing us that these girls know how to fuck a man and say the right things at the right time, without someone having to tell them to.
I also dislike the girls that kinda give off that vibe that they really don't want to be there and want to get the scene done and leave. Its as you said. The "are you done yet" type of girls annoy the hell out of me. I love to see girls that love what they do, enjoy the sex, and get off.
add Nadia Styles and Teagan to that list, among others.Or at least are pretty convincing. I think the key would be that the girl needs to stay in character the whole time. In BTS interviews, girls need to say things and act in ways that will help add to their fan base, not subtract from it.
Oi! too buisness like...shame. This is my hobby dear :) Its unfortunate but we all have our off days, and mine just so happened to be in an uncut porn! Lucky me :) It is a very interesting concept, and i am looking forward to seeing the video. Cheers....*tobi*
I remember seeing some unedited tapes around 10 years ago; and on one of them there was a scene where they were shooting and the female would wanted to stop and rest and the audio heard was "keep going" and she try to get up and out of the scene but the males held her and kept on going at it until they ended the scene with cumshots on her face! It was like super hard action and with the lady saying "stop, please" it was a big turn on. The guys in the scene were really turn on by this; and were renewed with horiness and just became very energized. She kept on mooming and saying "stop, please, no, oh, oh...."; while theses guys were doing her even harder then ever before. I love the scene and I wish I could remember the compliation tape it was on; but if I did find it I buy it immediately! It was train; not a gangbang where they would do her at the same time; but each one took turns; one after another and no heads so she could express herself clearly and could see her facial expressions. I wish I knew the lady was because she could easily win an AVN award!
Anything new on the unedited porn front? Any titles that can be recommended by anyone? I know there were some directors that said they were working on this style, before my abscense.
I'm not sure if the main motivating interest for uncut footage, is necessarily to brave the bulk of dry, less than savory footage, as much as to escape the still overwhelming, everpresent, saturation of formulaic porn.
Much thanks indeed, to those at least trying to break new ground, as it starts with taking performers out of their familiar element. Lord knows there's little chance of stepping on my toes at this point, as I'd be happy never to see another spoon, on another sofa ever again.
Understandably, theres only so much spontaneity you can wring out of talent, who may be there in body, while elsewhere in mind. One method that Chico employs, that seems to have room to explore further is "daisychaining". A single female blows subjects in succession, hopping from one to the other as the camera follows. This rarely used alternate to gangbangs, without all the shellshocking overload of man-ass, and overcrowded circlejerk finales, allows cumshots to be spread out, and appreciated every few minutes, and yet this without compromising the overall quantity of pigsauce consumed.
Damn Harry, I read nearly this entire thread to see if anyone had already mentioned the daisychain, or train method, then after posting the above, I read yours. Oh well, further assurance I suppose, the time for shooting more content as such has arrived.
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) know how to talk dirty in a scene. It adds to the intensity of the scene and it pulls you in. Its like "oh, did she just say that...*rewind*...she did just say that". Its even better when its spontaneous and they don't need a cue. Seeing girls do this in an unedited form is showing us that these girls know how to fuck a man and say the right things at the right time, without someone having to tell them to.