I hope all the directors who visit ADT read this and reply. I respect your policy of not featuring anal creampies in your movies, and though we may disagree on how much more dangerous they are then other acts....I like the fact that you seem to care about your talent. Now since you guys have been contracting some of the best directors who are known for anal creampies, and since they won't be able to do them under your company's name. I was just wondering that rather then not having them AT ALL...why not fake them? It's not like it'd be the first time, because it has been done plenty of times before...so why not? I hope you guys take that into consideration, so us creampie fans won't feel deprived. Thanks.
I'd prefer EA do them for real! Just make all the anal cream pie scenes 1 on 1 coupled with people that work well together & often, so there's no need to worry about STD's. I think that's the best way to go. We should have a pole for Evil Angel to see what their loyal fans think about them adding it to the menu!
I definitely think there should be no faking in porn with regards to cumshots.
It really pissed me off when i found this in a couple of Hustler dvds and it shows complete contempt for the viewer. These were done so badly that you'd see the guy's 'orgasm face' and then jump to the fake cum already deposited on the girls arse/face. A complete joke! Get a stunt cock or scrap the bloody scene.
Internal cumshots would be a lot easier to fake and i doubt that i'd notice unless the fake spunk was a weird colour or consistency.
If a studio became associated with this trick though, they'd risk losing a lot of trust from their customer base.
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Posted - Mar 16 2007 : 6:56PM
With my personal experiences, I don't think I'd be comfortable creating a fantasy out of something that I'm not comfortable enough with to shoot it for real.
Beyond that, I don't like much fake anything in porn. If it's not real, it's usually not as good.
While I understand that some fans would like to see it, this is NOT an issue that will ever be resolved at Evil Angel by a fan poll. We listen to our fans a LOT - way more than most companies, but this goes way beyond what someone would want to see.
I don't think they should fake them, although it wouldn't change the effect, you'd know and that would make it silly. I prefer the milk thing that Jake does anyway. Yeah fucking a milk filled ass is much better than seeing a girl bust a gut for a teaspoon of semen.
Hi Tricia, I totally respect you & love Evil Angel but the reason we're even having this discussion is because this is exactly what we want to see! You don't think it's possible even if all the anal cream pie scenes are 1 on 1 coupled with people that work well together & often, so there's no need to worry about STD's like I said before? There's got to be some way you & John would be willing to compromise on this. I don't want anyone to get or sick either but I'm sure Manuel will keep making films under redlight just because he can't put them in his EA films. He's going to do them anyways & I think it would be great for sales. I hope you & John at least discuss it over the week & talk with your directors about it, I/we would be so grateful. Please don't just dismiss the idea though, I'm sure it's been discussed before but I think EA has expanded so much these past couple of years that it's time to try something new. Take care Tricia, I hope you & John are doing well.
Ummmm.... how 'bout noooooo. I think Trisha has made her position abundantly clear, many, many, many times. You might want to try respecting her. If you can't enjoy porn without anal cream pies, I suggest that you pick a new studio or a new hobby.
Whatever, I can always go elsewhere for anal cream pie's! I just thought it would boost sales at EA & it's something I would like to see. It's not like I've been discussing this topic with Tricia for a week, continually pestering her the whole time. She showed up & made 1 comment, so where's the disrespect? Just because you & Skronker don't agree with some of us on the anal cream pie scenes, you don't have to dump on those who do! If Tricia & John won't add cream pie's to EA films I guess Raul Christin will have to distribute his allinternal series elsewhere. Anyways, I'll just have to get my anal cream pie series from other companies. Tricia, I meant no disrespect to you or John & EA is still my favorite.
Anal creampies are just about the riskiest behavior (maybe sharing needles with an infected junkie might be worse) that human beings can engage in with regards to HIV transmission/infection.
No one's whacking-off preferences are so goddamn important that talent should be asked to engage in this behavior -- whether they are willing to or not!
Finally, don't give us the "that's your opinion" bullshit. The medical science is well-known regarding the risks of anal sex with regards to HIV transmission/infection.
Good to see some of the grown-ups, like Tricia and Quasarman, speaking-up here. I hope Dave Cummings sees this topic and reads the Riot Act with you guys
..Just because you & Skronker don't agree with some of us on the anal cream pie scenes, you don't have to dump on those who do! [/quote]
I'm not dumping on you Hardcore. It's just this topic has been rehashed so many times, I'm surprised you weren't up to speed, and that's why I referred you to look up some of the back history on the issue. It's like every 3 months, Tricia has to come in and re-explain all over again why EA doesn't shoot anal creampie scenes. And then it's like you guys can't take no for an answer and keep going ... It's not like there aren't plenty of creampie titles to choose from, but it should be telling when a lot of top female talent has that on their "NO" list. Whatever consenting adults want to do with each other on film for money is fine by me. They can go suck donkey dicks! But ... rehash rehash ... I don't think people should be exposed to undue risk, and there are a) a lot of naive girls and b) a lot of unethical producers, which is of course what makes the world go 'round, but when one of those girls ends up with a toxic load in her colon, that's bad news ... and as far as I know, the industry has done absolutely nothing to make sure it doesn't happen again. Except, Evil Angel, and agents like Spiegler ... I love lots of crazy circus porn, myself, but I'm more into weird head games, SM scenarios and monster blowjob scenes ... I just think a lot of fans come on here with no regard or desire to understand what performers have to deal with on a daily professional level as far as their health goes ... porn is fucking gnarly, dude! That's what's great about it, but it's surely not for the weak!
I'm not saying you can't shoot these kinds of scene and minimize some of the risk, but that you can't guarantee that across the board. For every Jules Jordan there's a TT Boy.
Make that 50 TT Boys -- I forgot about the Internet.
BY the way, the very best "chicks squirting weird liquid out of their distended anuses" porn is made by Joe Gallant right here in New York City. Visit www.blackmirror.com -- it's the first and last word in unfiltered nasty.
..Just because you & Skronker don't agree with some of us on the anal cream pie scenes, you don't have to dump on those who do!
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I'm not dumping on you Hardcore. It's just this topic has been rehashed so many times, I'm surprised you weren't up to speed, and that's why I referred you to look up some of the back history on the issue. It's like every 3 months, Tricia has to come in and re-explain all over again why EA doesn't shoot anal creampie scenes. And then it's like you guys can't take no for an answer and keep going ... It's not like there aren't plenty of creampie titles to choose from, but it should be telling when a lot of top female talent has that on their "NO" list. Whatever consenting adults want to do with each other on film for money is fine by me. They can go suck donkey dicks! But ... rehash rehash ... I don't think people should be exposed to undue risk, and there are a) a lot of naive girls and b) a lot of unethical producers, which is of course what makes the world go 'round, but when one of those girls ends up with a toxic load in her colon, that's bad news ... and as far as I know, the industry has done absolutely nothing to make sure it doesn't happen again. Except, Evil Angel, and agents like Spiegler ... I love lots of crazy circus porn, myself, but I'm more into weird head games, SM scenarios and monster blowjob scenes ... I just think a lot of fans come on here with no regard or desire to understand what performers have to deal with on a daily professional level as far as their health goes ... porn is fucking gnarly, dude! That's what's great about it, but it's surely not for the weak!
I'm not saying you can't shoot these kinds of scene and minimize some of the risk, but that you can't guarantee that across the board. For every Jules Jordan there's a TT Boy.
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I see where you're coming from, I'm only 26 & quite naive myself! I don't want these people getting HIV & I'm glad that EA has so much respect for their talent. Didn't mean to keep rehashing, if only I had some real hash to share instead LOL... Anyways, sorry to cause any conflict.
Don't forget that Erik Everhard mentioned in the podcast that he's going to be doing lots of anal creampies in his future releases now that he's with JJV.
Skronker - yesterday we licensed nine of the Black Mirror titles. We're picking them up today and they should be available to stream or download on our site within a few weeks.
Joe's stuff is insane. We were looking for more Ric Santini titles and got turned onto Black Mirror.
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Posted - Mar 18 2007 : 3:15PM
By all means, please do so.I'm compelled to ask, whom do you represent, or do you have multiple personalities? This specific issue has been brought up various times in the past, you just need to look for it. I'll venture the vast majority of porn consumers aren't necessarily interested in seeing spooge drip out of a chick's asshole.
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Posted - Mar 18 2007 : 5:50PM
We actually HAVE thought about letting real-life married couples who are in the business (couples like Nicole Sheridan and Voodoo) do it. Needless to say, so far our stance hasn't changed. For me, I haven't been able to watch an anal creampie without getting seriously nauseous. I'm not sure it would be any different for me knowing that the couple was an actual couple. Maybe, but I'm not anxious to test it out.
Hardcore - thank you for understanding that this is a VERY sensitive subject for me. There are times when money just isn't THAT important.
John and I do appreciate that the vast majority of anal creampie fans haven't abandoned Evil Angel totally. If you want an anal creampie movie, you can get it from another company. You can do without it in a movie, come on back. :)
Raul Cristian will continue his AllInternal website in Europe, but he understands why Evil Angel will not distribute it on DVD. It's OK - he has enough other great material that we're thrilled to distribute. This subject is one of the MANY reasons Erik Everhard is no longer with Evil Angel. He has indeed returned to shooting these scenes at JJV, and I just hope that no one is hurt in any of these scenes.
I was pretty shocked at how nonchalant he discussed anal creampies in the podcast. Might as well have been discussing beer bongs at a frat party or something. Within a span of 2 minutes he goes from talking about fucking some stranger/"civilian" up in his hotel room the previous night at the AEE show to discussing how he'll have lots of anal creampies in his new movies.
I think Joe is the only real "alt" director out there. He's a complete filmmaker, and has the gritty New York sensibiiity that recalls the great '70s NYC porn, as well as the underground Super-8 scene (that oddly enough prospered in tandem). I knew him before I knew he did porn, because he's also an excellent bassist, composer and bandleader. Avenue X is as close as I can imagine anyone getting to framing the inside of my head, porn-wise.
I've never been a huge fan of enemas -- they make me laugh, more than anything -- but he's the master!
People like what they like. Personally, my little kinks and pervs change up all the time. I like to like what I don't like, sometimes ... and it cracks me up that Evil Angel would be taking heat for something like this when guys like Silvera, Jake Malone and Manuel are making the most perverted shit out there -- if you truly enjoy fetish elements, role play, and sexual psychology. But I think EA is focusing more strongly these days on porn for grown-ups, and much of the rest of the industry (thanks to the INternet) is playing more to the adolescent instant gratification thing, where all that really matters is the Beavis and Butthead Factor. (And I'm totally not referencing JJV in this ... I'm so stoked about Mike John's next edition of Racial Tension I can't see straight sometimes ...)
I believe the whole issue involves social responsibility and a little concern for the health your fellow performers in the talent pool.
Fucking "stranger/civilians" and then continuing to do anal sex -- and anal creampies -- is just asking for trouble and exposing other talent to unacceptable risks that they aren't even aware are in play.
I can't really chat about things I've done as an individual performer, without the risk of sounding like a hypocrite, though I now would only consider cream pies with certain performers, but I completely agree that it is not a requirement to show cream-pies... when I watch porn it's not the spunk coming out of a girl, it's the spunk coming out of the cock that does it for me... the moment of ejaculation... Visually and phsycologicaly what turns me on is far more complex than a cream pie. I also respect the ban on cream-pies from EA headquarters... for a start, the health risks are greatly increased, and for what? Something that I'm not really bothered to see in the first place. And also, I think it makes directors have to think harder on how they're going to show the pop, and encourages them to create more perverse porn in the prosess.
I was wondering what happened to Erik, I was really happy to see him with EA! I can understand where he's coming from though, because I'm still an anal cream pie fan. That won't stop me from buying Evil Angel films though, just this year I've managed to pick up the following with an asterisk * in front:
38-Fuck Slaves 2 March 19, 2007 DVD Jake Malone *37-Rocco Ravishes St. Petersburg March 16, 2007 DVD Rocco Siffredi *36-Nothing Butt Fun -Steve Holmes March 15, 2007 DVD Buttman Magazine Choice *35-Boob Bangers 4 March 14, 2007 DVD Jonni Darkko *34-Big Natural Tits 17 March 12, 2007 DVD Christoph Clark 33-Pornutopia 2 March 09, 2007 DVD Harmony *32-The Voyeur 33 March 07, 2007 DVD John Leslie *31-Black Power March 05, 2007 DVD Joey Silvera 30-Trans Obsessions March 02, 2007 DVD Rocco Siffredi 29-Prime Cups February 28, 2007 DVD Raul Cristian 28-Fucking Girls 4 February 26, 2007 DVD Belladonna 27-Phatty Girls 8 February 23, 2007 DVD Justin Slayer *26-Storm Squirters 2 February 21, 2007 DVD Joey Silvera *25-Rookie Pussy February 19, 2007 DVD Jake Malone *24-Anal Expedition 11 February 16, 2007 DVD Manuel Ferrara *23-Angel Perverse 6 February 14, 2007 DVD Christoph Clark *22-Angels of Debauchery 6 February 12, 2007 DVD Jonni Darkko 21-House of She-Males 5 February 09, 2007 DVD Nacho Vidal 20-She-Male XTC February 07, 2007 DVD Joey Silvera *19-Rocco's Dirty Dreams 6 February 05, 2007 DVD Rocco Siffredi 18-Buttman's British Moderately Big Tit Adventure February 02, 2007 DVD John Stagliano 17-Slam It - In Tight February 02, 2007 DVD Harmony *16-Ass Jazz 6 February 01, 2007 DVD Buttman Magazine Choice 15-Ass Traffic January 31, 2007 DVD Raul Cristian *14-Belladonna's Butthole Whores January 29, 2007 DVD Belladonna *13-Black Pipe Layers 5 January 26, 2007 DVD Justin Slayer *12-Evil Anal 2 January 24, 2007 DVD Manuel Ferrara *11-Kelly's Lost Movie January 22, 2007 DVD Rocco Siffredi *10-Bitchcraft January 19, 2007 DVD Jake Malone *9-Crack Her Jack 7 January 17, 2007 DVD John Leslie 8-Big Booty Betty Blockhead January 16, 2007 DVD Buttman Magazine Choice *7-Dressed To Fuck January 15, 2007 DVD Christoph Clark 6-Best Of British January 12, 2007 DVD Harmony *5-Room 666 January 12, 2007 DVD Nacho Vidal 4-G For Gianna January 10, 2007 DVD Jonni Darkko 3-Booty I Like 2 January 08, 2007 DVD Justin Slayer 2-Face Fucking Inc. January 05, 2007 DVD Joey Silvera 1-Rocco's Best P.O.V. January 03, 2007 DVD Rocco Siffredi
So I have 21 of 38 Evil Angel releases this year & I plan to get Fuck Slaves 2 this week! It would be amazing to see Voodoo & Nicole Sheridan do an anal cream pie scene for EA since I haven't seen much of them in your films. Even if it's not an anal cream pie scene, it would still be great to see them in an Evil Angel film. It would be so incredible if you do decide to make an anal cream pie movie with several married couples doing 1 on 1 scenes though. I'm sure it would sell nearly as much as Fashionistas because there are lots of EA fans that need to look elsewhere for that particular fetish. Anyways Tricia, no matter what you & John decide I will support you & keep updating my EA collection (I don't even have time to watch them all there's so many, LOL...). I've got most of Raul Christian's stuff from his personal gonzo sites, so I don't usually buy his titles from EA. I agree that money isn't that important, it's just paper & is definitely not worth risking someones life over! On the other hand, some of these performers are as hardcore as the fans that buy & watch these films. So I don't think it's only done for the money, some of them enjoy it. Anyways, I can't wait to see a new Buttman film come out. I'm looking forward to Fashionistas 3, I'd be so happy if you could get Rocco & Belladonna back together for another HOT steamy scene! I wish you made a film based totally around them, like Vivid's Brianna Loves Rocco. That would be so damn HOT.
I agree people need to be very cautious but if you really want to eliminate all health risks, you'd need to abstain from sex! Any porn star is at higher risk than the rest of us, but I guess anal cream pie's are the riskiest judging by the comments left in this thread. Like I said before, I'm only 26 & still quite naive myself.
There's ArinsystmaticX, the one who started the thread & myself at least! There are also some people that joined in the discussion. "We" wasn't necessarily referring to you Hardware.
Isabel: I won't even shoot internals with certain talent. One of my favorite male performers was diagnosed HIV+, somebody I would have trusted. It's only safe for couples who live a monogamous relationship and only have sex with each other.
It breaks my heart sometimes when I'm on set and an 18 year old young girl who films her 3rd porn scene is doing a cream pie movie. But I filmed many anal cream pies before 2004 because I didn't know the risks and nobody told me. An other thing is that you don't even get paid more for internals. Doesn't mean I'd do it for more money or it doesn't make it right but there is not even a financial gain for performers.
Cum belongs in the face for me. Even if the girl has great tits, it still has to go all in her face or mouth. I agree with Isabel. I love to see the cum squirting out of the dick. I don't care for it dripping out of somewhere. I want to see the explosion...
I'm going to look through my collection, I'm sure I have Fresh Meat 21 & I definitely have Fashionistas 2! Still, I hope to see more of them at EA. Maybe one day you'll find a way to make cream pie's work. I can't really agree that cum belongs on your face though, it is suppose to get girls pregnant! Actually, it's not really meant for anything you do with it in porn, but I guess speaking as directors you'd have to use that line. I prefer to cum in my girl & keep going 2 or 3 times, she prefers it over swallowing. We don't have sex with dozens of other people on video though, so I guess we're not at the same risk. Anyways, I respect your opinions but don't necessarily agree with all of them.
Estimated per act risk for acquisition of HIV, by exposure route:
Needle Sharing IDU = 67 per 10,000 exposures
Receptive Anal Intercourse = 50 per 10,000 exposures
Receptive Oral Intercourse = 1 per 10,000 exposures
Go to the link above for a great deal of factual information/statistics on a wide variety of sexual activities.
Would you share a needle with a IDU (Intravenous Drug User)? Of course not. Being the recipient of unprotected anal sex is very close to being that risky!
Also of interest, the comment "* It is safer to withdraw even with a condom" is attached to anal sex risk assessments. So, would you want to be the recipient of unprotected anal sex with an internal ejaculation? I didn't think so.
Well I use to be a heroine addict but I never shared needles! I see where you're going but I've been with the same girl for years & we don't have sex with other people (as far as I know). Anyways, I'm not going to live in a bubble because something might happen. I could get hit by a truck crossing the street, what are the stats on that? What about getting cancer from smoking? There are so many possibilities! Either way, we're all going to die at some point.
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Posted - Mar 21 2007 : 9:05AM
That's your personal choice and you have to live with any consequences if something happens because of your recklessness. Nagging Evil Angel about it is you trying to impose this on others. It's been said before. There are lots of people making just what you want to see. Why does it have to be Evil Angel. Can't you just enjoy what they bring to you with no reservations?
Must I really point out that pornstars are having sex with many partners? And, that the sexual histories of the people they are working with -- including sex with undocumented, untested people from outside the industry -- are unknown to them?
What part of the vastly higher risk of infection from unprotected anal sex equation (particularly with internal ejaculation) are you not getting? Or, is it that you just don't care as long as you are able to pound your pud?
I'm not nagging or trying to impose anything, I've pretty much dropped the topic even! I'm entitled to my opinion like the rest of you though. Like you said, I can always get cream pie's somewhere else.
BigBobxxx, I came off sounding like that because your last response was "HIV: How High Is Your Risk?"! I obviously don't want people to catch anything, AID's is a huge epidemic that we all hope they find a cure for. Don't go blaming me because there are so many unscrupulous people in the porn industry though. I wouldn't just shoot anyone doing anal cream pie's if I were the director, I'd be cautious & use married couples like Tricia mentioned. I'm not the director though, so how can you blame me? Besides, if anal sex & anal related activities can be the cause of such deadly disease, you'd think the government would want something done about it! They make all kinds of medical drugs illegal. I mean come on, Marijuana is practically harmless whereas tobacco causes cancer & kills people daily. Marijuana should be legal & tobacco illegal, so it just shows you where our priorities are these days. With the encouraging trend of being gay & proud of it, you'd think they're encouraging us to have anal sex!
I'm not "blaming" you for anything. "HIV: How High Is Your Risk?" is the exact title of the health statistics article I linked to. It was not a comment directed at you or anyone else.
Yes, you have come across (to me) as if you didn't care about the health risks involved with unprotected anal sex with internal ejaculation. Your "Anyways, I'll just have to get my anal cream pie series from other companies" remark concerned me. I linked you to the "HIV: How High Is Your Risk?" article because I wanted you to see for yourself just how much more risky anal sex truly is than other sex acts.
Sure, there is risk in everything we do. Almost anything can kill us. The difference with anal sex is that we know how risky the behavior is, and, many of us consider this risk to be just foolish. Most of the same talent work for many different companies. Disease contracted at any one studio can easily be spread around the entire industry.
The industry has monthly testing for performers, and that helps immensely. However, in the case of HIV (which does not show up immediately in tests), testing only catches the infection after the performer has been working infected, unknown to all, until the next test. Then, we go through the whole quarintine thing of all performers who worked with the infected performer, and the performers they also had sex with, as we did in the "Darren James" outbreak about three years ago. Aside from the health consequences to the affected performers, the economic hardships and consequences to other performers and studios are enormous.
So, my position on this, and I think Tricia's and others as well, is that the risks involved with unprotected anal sex with creampies just isn't worth it.
Damn, you folks are really ganging up on this poor young fella. Like he says, he dropped the subject after a single suggestion to EA. He's not pestering anybody. And attacking him for liking anal creampie movies when we all know these sell like hotcakes, and that the performers know the risks, seems unfair.
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