You don't see their top models talk about this because they're either clueless about mistreatment of less popular models from their agency or afraid to support them because of Derek or just don't care. LA Directs top models bring them lots of money so obviously Derek wouldn't mistreat them. It's known that he tends to treat his less popular models like dirt and when top model starts to struggle and money stops flowing he has no problem with throwing her under the bus as well. [Tweet is no longer available][Tweet is no longer available] Like I said before, any good agent would tell you that kill fees should be for when a girl fucks up not for when they are physically incapacitated. Kill fees because of medical issues that prevented model from working aren't justified, it's about profit. It's possible to do business without making money off people's blood.
The line of thinking "Adria Rae cannot be trusted with her words & description/perception of reality, because she has mental health issues and tried suicide (afterthought: she should just leave porn and not bother the mentally healthy and robust people inside the biz with her crap)" (a little exaggerated... I believe the People thinking that way that they are honestly concerned about the wellbeing of Adria Rae) is one possible way to Interpret it.
One could also think that the issues with her agency were real and are not caused by mental problems, but that they were part of furthering/strengthening psychic problems/crisis. When two things happen at ca. the same time, it's sometimes not easy to see what is cause and what is effect.
Possibilities. Sometimes it's about what you want to believe. In my case. In the case of other posters.
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Posted - May 13 2018 : 3:26PM
Here's a theory: the industry supports Derek and LA Direct because he treats studios (producers and directors) as the customer. In a practical sense, this means running a tight ship with the girls on his roster, making sure they show up to the shoots they're booked for, and in those cases where someone needs to cancel, he pays out the kill fees right away, so there are never any lingering issues between the agency and the content producer. Combined with his large roster of talent, this puts LA Direct in a position to be the talent provider of first choice in the business, which helps explain why girls keep signing up there, even though these issues pop up every now and again with one girl or another getting extremely pissed at the agency and breaking ties in a very public way.
The problem with Sydney's tweet is that you don't know what she is referring to so maybe the medical issue was that she was shitfaced the day of the shoot because she went partying the night before and wasn't able to work. At least we know what the medical problem was with Adria the day she fainted and while I sympathise with her. Why should the producer or her agent/agency pay for what she clearly did to herself? If you read all the replies in Sydney's tweet then you know that she isn't interested in being represented by any agency but would like to self book. Strangely enough she is asking to self book but get help from agents. So if I read between the lines then she would like an agent to find her jobs but not be under a contract. She might be able to find one but he would expect to get paid ahead of the shoot and somehow I doubt she would be willing to do that. Even if she was then who should get the kill fee invoice whenever the performer doesn't show up? The performer or her advisor/agent? There is a very good reason why most producers refuse to hire self-booking performers. Girls flake on shoots for a wide variety of reasons and if they don't have someone they can contact to fix the problem and/or absorb some of their cost then they go out of business real fast.
I just got done reading the tumblr posts about this whole ordeal. I must say after reading that, what LADM did and how they handled this really doesn't seem out of line with industry practices. I realize Adria was/is having physical/mental issues and I hope she gets this addressed. On the other hand on 3 separate occasions she forced a production to have to be canceled. Now it is true that that these were serious situations including an ectopic pregnancy but the fact is when a production is canceled the producer still has to pay everyone involved in that production except for the person who caused the cancellation. Thats were the kill fee comes in to be paid by the talent's agent and then charged to the talent who either has their next shoot(s)' payment withheld from them or they pay the agent back directly. It seems Derek made a point of telling her that these sorts of things actually happen on a fairly regular basis and that this is SOP. It looks like from what I am reading that Adria feels that because all of this happened to her and she couldn't reasonable be expected to perform especially only finding out or experiencing these issues a week before, the day of, whenever, that she shouldn't be charged a kill fee. Unfortunately that isn't the way it works, so I think all this negative press she is generating is not going to work out well for her. At this point she is going to risk not being able to get booked and be forced out of the industry. As has been mentioned by several posters here, the best thing for her to do would be to take an extended leave from the industry and get herself right. Then and only then should she consider coming back.
^^If I'm not mistaken the day she fainted during make-up and couldn't work that day was because she didn't eat for a number of hours to prepare for an anal scene. It wasn't related to the pregnancy issues was it? Well, I don't see how she shouldn't take responsibility for that situation and how the agency is at fault. Performers do anal scenes like every day, falling ill from incorrectly preparing for the scene should be your own responsibility and IMO the killfee was justified.
Agent that makes sure his models show up to shoots they're booked for no matter what (even when their health is at stake)? Sounds like an evil version of Spiegler - I guess producers that don't really care about models like that approach. But in general if you ask around you'll get an idea that industry just tolerates him because he has a large roster of talent. [Tweet is no longer available][Tweet is no longer available] ^ New models keep signing with them because they're clueless and don't know what they're doing. Even if they see warnings they just brush it off because they think there's just no way that such a big and popular agency can be bad.
Please read all of her post on the link someone uploaded because the reason why she fainted is that she took about 30 Xanax the day before and it wasn't related to the pregnancy issue because it happened a couple of months after her abortion. Edited by - pat362 on 5/13/2018 8:50:55 PM
^ For accuracy.... Directly from her Tumbler blog: I worked for another month without any problems. I had gone home to see my family. Things seemed like they were going back to normal for me. My mental wasn't the greatest but I was stable enough to work. On April 18 I was scheduled to shoot a DP(double-penetration). I had shot many of them before so I went through my normal routine where I fast the day before and then eat lightly the day of the shoot so I have energy to perform. I had a later call time that day than usual because we were waiting for the moratorium to be lifted. I got to set at about 2pm. Sat in the makeup chair for an hour before I started to feel hot flashes. I had fainted before so I knew what was coming. I politely asked the makeup artist if I could sit on the floor cause I felt lightheaded and didn't want to fall out of her tall chair. I sat on the floor for less than a minute before I fainted. I woke up to the makeup artist shaking me and shoving a soda in my face to get me to drink something. She remarked that I was as pale as a ghost. Then, much later after the above: Shortly after this was when I started to crumble mentally. I felt like I had been holding everything in on top of feeling mistreated by my agency. Tax season also just hit and it has always been one of the more stressful times of the year for me. Financially, mentally, and physcially I felt like I was being taken advantage of by everyone. The only person who was keeping me grounded was my boyfriend. On the night of May 6th, I had a severe mental breakdown. It wasn't from one thing as much as it was more of a snowball of shit that had been building up for months. I already struggled with depression and suicidal tendencies and the experiences I was going through made me feel helpless. For someone who has always struggled with mental illness ending it seemed like an easy solution to my problems. I had prescription pills at the time that I used for times like these when my anxiety clouded my thoughts from thinking reasonably, and also for flying. I told my boyfriend I was going to take one to calm down.
^My apologies. It wasn't 50 Xanax but 30 so I have amended my previous post to reflect my mistake. Now here is part of what she wrote Derek in and around April 25 regarding her Mason shoot. "Hey Derek I wasn't completely forth coming when I said I fainted it was because I attempted to kill myself by cutting myself lastnight and when I wasn't successful in that I took 30 Xanax which caused me to faint this morning".
^ I read the situation completely different. She actually fainted preparing for the Mason DP scene from lack of food (April 18). She lied initially about fainting after trying to commit suicide (May 6), then in a text, 'came clean' about taking pills and trying to cut herself. From her blog, regarding the night she harmed herself: I lied to my agent and told him I fainted out of fear that I would loose work. Shortly after I got extremely upset that I had failed again at trying to take my life apparently, grabbed a knife in the kitchen went into the bathroom and started hack away at my arm as hard as I could. Luckily my knives are shit. I probably would have had better luck trying to kill myself with a spoon. At the time I was completely mad, not only was I black-out I was having an extreme mental breakdown. My boyfriend came into the bathroom to see me sitting on the ground sobbing, defeated, with my shitty knife next to me. He panicked, immediately picked me up and hid anything that I could possibly think of to hurt myself with. He quarantined me and watched me for the next 24 hrs. He told me at that point I needed to be honest with my agent about what happened so I could take the time off that I needed. I decided to tell Derek that I had not been 100% truthful with him earlier. ------- Looking at the invoice that appears right after her description of what happened on May 6th, there is a $200 kill fee owed to Jackie St James/JSJ Films dated May 7. She 'never' fainted because she took 30 Xanax, she took 30 Xanax and tried to cut herself, lied to her agent that she fainted that morning, cancelling the JSJ shoot and then admitted that she lied about fainting and that she really cancelled because she tried to kill herself.
My take on this just looking over what has been presented is this. There are two issues at play here. #1 LADM is a predatory agency. They find the best looking girls and they get them work based on their position within the industry. So in that aspect they are one of the best and most powerful. At the same time they do have a tendency to get these girls who are young and niave to sign these long term contracts. Do the girls have to sign the contract? No. Does anyone force them to? No. There is plenty of evidence around the internet for girls to do their homework and find out what they need to know. #2 Being an agent in the industry the way they make money is getting bookings for their talent and getting a fee for that booking. When one of their talent kills the production, they are the ones who get the negativity of it. Production companies don't want to work with an agent that constantly sends them flaky talent, who have to rebook all the time or replace. It wastes time, it wastes money, it's bad for everyone involved. Each piece of the porn shoot production has their job to do. A production company wants to get a product shoot and onto the market, can't do that without talent. A agency wants to get their talent booked as often as they want to be available and want them to be reliable. A talent wants to get booked, get paid, and then do whatever. In this case you have a talent who disrupts the whole process and then isn't happy because everyone is working against that talent, from her perspective. In any case if she can't get it together or doesn't care for LADM anymore then she needs to just sit out the rest of her contract and come back at the appropriate time. Edited by - sman343 on 5/13/2018 9:40:38 PM
^ Wonder how many Cali politicans are going to read this story?
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Posted - May 21 2018 : 11:56PM
^ C'mon, any talk of helping pornstars and/or the porn industry is still totally "radioactive" for politicians today. Even the most liberal of politicians wouldn't dare take up any issue whatsoever related to the porn biz. As for Adria, it's good to see that her contract is almost up with LADM.
Well you are right, but that would be thinking outside-the-box for people, and that is what ''we'' like to see today, so I hope someone brings it to the media so we can stop getting gils' lives ended. #IStandWithAdria
^ Got people's lives getting ended in the mainstream entertainment industry, but as unfortunate as it is we don't looking to blame other people in the industry for it.
All drama aside...Adria is one of my favorites. Sure looking forward to some new scenes from her. Anyone have an informed guess hen her LADM contract is finished?
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Posted - Jun 22 2018 : 8:54AM
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Below is the list of things she says she wants to do once her contract with LA Direct is over in August and I hope for her sake and ours that she manages to get hired by producers because I think she may not get the chance. I think that a multi-flaking performer is already going to have a huge problem getting job offers because she is a multi-flaking performer but if she has an agency behind her willing to soothe angry producers then she may be able to get more offers but a self-booking multi-flaking performer has almost no chance of getting offers because few producers want to get screwed over when she doesn't show up or shows up in no condition to work. In Adria's case it's even worse because she has already claimed to have thought and attempted suicide more than once in the last 3 years. -first TS scene -first gang bang -first IR anal -first IR gang bang -first girl/girl anal -first squirting scene
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Posted - Jun 22 2018 : 7:49PM
Not sure why you feel the need to drag her every chance you get. From the best we can tell, she paid dearly when she could not shoot. It's not like she abandoned her contractual obligations. She did not blow up on any producers set. She as been frank, upfront and has taken ownership of HER part in all this. As to the latter, I can't say that about any of the other parties involved. If she shoots her fans will pay to see it. If this, like most everything else in this world, is about the money, Adria will be fine and in demand.
^Pat is right and I disagree with your full-on defense of her. I doubt she'll ever regain her activity and glory but we'll just have to wait and see how this all develops in August.
^^^ I think you could have disguised your concern trolling a bit better - it's just too obvious. You call her multiple-flaking yet any agent and director with common sense and at least some human decency would agree that charging kill fees to girls who can't work because of health issues and with plenty of time to find a replacement is wrong. If she gets issues with bookings it would be more because of Derek Hay's attempts to force her out of the industry like he did so many times before. He must be so angry for being massively exposed by her - even though he's been exposed by dozens of other mondels over the years this time model's voice has been heard and he definitely felt it.
Doesn't really mean anything in itself (it's just a tweet after all), but it does send a signal that she could still draw interest once she returns. [Tweet is no longer available] [Tweet is no longer available]
I was ready to see this "exposing" unfold at the time and that's not what I saw. Hay did not look like some kind of monster in those private conversations, he makes tough decisions like a cold corporate guy but he does offer help every time and gives you several chances. and Adria herself made mistakes that she tried to pin on others. Bottomline is if producers in the industry read that dramatic blog, will they fancy hiring her? I think not so much.
Let me be really blunt on the subject of Adria. I believe that if everything she wrote regarding her mental state over the last three years is accurate(I'm taking her word for it) then producers might want to be cautious when it comes to giving her more offers because porn and her may not be an healthy mix. I can't emphasize just how baldy I don't want to read that she chose suicide as an outlet for her pain and clearly that is what she claims to have done at least twice in the last three years. If 2017 has shown me anything. It's that we really don't know all the things that happen to our favorite models once the camera's are turned off and just because we think they are happy. It doesn't mean that we are correct and that we should seriously take any call for help even if they are small ones as a warning sign.
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Posted - Jun 23 2018 : 5:00PM
I think the main question is if she'll be self-booking or booking through an agent. If she's self-booking, she simply won't shoot all that many scenes. That's the case with any self-booking talent. If she gets an agent, maybe things will go back to how they were, or something close.
^Unless I'm mixing her up with another performer then she has made it quite clear that while she might accept the help of an agent/agency. She does not want to have any kind of contract with them. For that reason I doubt that anyone comes forward and therefore self-booking is her only path to doing porn after August. Mind you she can always go the Only Fans, Snapchat and Many Vids route.
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Posted - Jun 23 2018 : 9:11PM
^Well yeah, she doesn't want to be locked in the way she is with LA Direct. That doesn't mean she won't work with an agency at all.
^What you call locked in could also be called security because it's a two way street where the agent wants to make his client happy because in return an happy client will make him money. I will say it again. Adria was with LA Direct for her entire porn career and only got pissed at them in the last few months. That means that she was quite happy with her contract for more than two years. Unless someone can show me proof that she had issues with them two years ago or even a year ago then I will consider Adria a more than satisfied client of LA Direct. Now I can't speak about the different kinds of contracts an agent can offer a prospective client but somehow I doubt that it's a verbal one because that kind of contract is almost guaranteed to blow up in the face of the agent because it's always going to be a he said she said type of scenario since there is no paper trail explaining the relationship. Therefore getting an agent must mean that you have to sign some kind of paper explaining what the agent is going to do for you and what you are expected to do for the agent.
Seeing that Adria and Avi Love both have done DP scenes for LegalPorno (DAP for Avi) recently, I'm hoping LP can bring these two hotties together in the same scene, doing some crazy mini gang bang with them.