Ok, so ADM has just changed it's policies and is now restricting Texas buyers from purchasing on their site. They have taken it upon themselves to deactivate accounts without prior warning or explanation, which I find just a tad bit unnerving to say the least. Luckily I have only been selling on the site so they have deemed it ok for me to stay - I assume as long as I just keep selling. After further pressing they did provide me with a brief explanation below:
"The laws in Texas haven't changed, but John Ashcroft, who is engaged in a crusade against porn to satisfy his political base, has decided that the easiest way to prosecute adult retailers is to have adult DVDs shipped to locales in the country with very strict anti-obscenity standards on the books. That way they can prosecute according to the strictest community standards using the most conservative juries in the country. We really hate having to restrict our customers like this, but we've had many sellers worried about getting prosecuted, especially in this current politically charged environment."
My concern is, whether these anti-obscenity laws which seem to address the mailing of adult material, may actually apply to me shipping out of state as well. Or do the laws only apply to the addressee? Also, is this only the first in many online stores that will eventually block Texas buyers from their sites too? This is madness, this country is not progressing, we are systematically digressing out of fear!
The impact is that there would be less of a probability of federal prosecution. We have plenty of porn local/state. The community standards are not conservative towards porn inside the major cities, especially austin, dallas, and houston. We have tons of smut. We now effectively don't have any interstate porn to competitively lower the price!
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Posted - Jul 8 2004 : 2:54AM
Ahh, so this is what Vin was talking about..man I need to check out this forum more!! hehe.. Okay this just blows...How can they know it's from a porn retailer isn't the mail suppose to be sealed? Especially from the marketplace? I mean the dvd's are sent by individuals not porn companies. Well I'm a little peeved beings I'm spending 7 months in Texas! Thankfully I'm coming back to Oregon. I highly doubt that kerry will change this but at least Ashcroft will be gone..hopefully!
I wrote: I just read a thread on adult DVD talk that says you are deactivating all accounts from people in texas for legal reasons.
I am living in TX now, but my new house just closed and next week I am moving to Colorado Springs, CO.
So, if the rumor is true, then please DO NOT deactivate my account. I order through your site almost exclusively.
Thank you.
ADM replied:
No worries... I'll keep your account open if you don't place any orders until you're safely across the state line. We really regret having to turn away customers, but our goal is to shield our sellers from potential liability.
Good luck with your move.
Regards, Gary
So, it looks like people in TX, with a zip code between 75000-79999(which may be the entire state, I don't know) will not be able to order through ADM anymore.
That is unfortunate as they almost always have the best deals. I order 95% of my porn through them.
Yeah, Gary at ADM seems to be a great guy. I've had a few additional email exchanges with him since this came down and he is trying to do the right thing. Unfortunately he feels his hands are somewhat tied.
A lot of the DVD's being sold on ADM now are actually from DVD retailers, mostly smaller ones but they usually have their own sites as well. So they may be the ones applying the pressure as I can't see why individuals sending out a dvd here and there would be too overly concerned especially if they package right.
And it looks like El Paso is not covered by the ban so... go figure.
FYI: I have looked, and the DVD's sold by the retailers on ADM are cheaper than the very same DVD's sold on the retailers' own sites. So one DVD sold by filthyDVD's through ADM is usually(every time I've looked) cheaper through ADM than if bought directly from filthydvds.com.
Example: Internal Cumbustion 4, from filthy DVD's through ADM = $15.49 + $2.00 shipping.
As always write your congressmen and express your displeasure with how YOUR government is treating you and the retailers you choose to patronize. This is supposed to be a capitolist country after all.
Since ADM isn't shipping to Texas anymore I thought I'd look at some of the seller's own websites. On ADM filthydvds.com is selling Teen Meat Vol.1 for $9.99 but on their own website it's $26.95! WTF?!? Do they really think the buying public is that uninformed?
Personally, I wish ADM would change their no ship list because I don't think we'll have John Ashcroft to worry about come next year.
As someone who sells on ADM, I would prefer to have the discretion to refuse a sale based on where it is being shipped to. Even though the risk is theoretically smaller because I'm not a company with resources, I don't want the hassle of having some local DA or US Attorney take issue with a used DVD that someone in some small community orders via ADM.
Apparently its not just texas - I have ordered from ADM many times and recently tried to place an order only to be informed that such materials could not be sent to me and I live in Baton Rouge LA. I am unaware of ANY federal or state laws that have been passed - is there somewhere I can learn more about this so that I can fight it?
It's not that new laws have been passed, it's that the existing laws are so damn vague. One's interpretation and assessment of risk is directly related to the political climate of a state as a whole.
If you're looking for reading materials just search Google for "obscenity cases" or "extreme associates obscenity"
Read the full Extreme Associates indictment if you have some time. It will give you a good idea of the planning, surveillance and scheming that goes into such a prosecution.