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Skeeter Kerkove
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Posted - Mar 11 2005 : 11:29AM
Skeeter Kerkove
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967 Posts
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Posted - Mar 11 2005 : 11:48AM
Jimmy, get off my wave!!!
No where in my quote, does it refer to the porn Gods! The owners, it clearly relays the message of directors.
There are alot of directors, you being one of them, who squandered away all money ever earned. You sold out and worked way too cheaply. You use to complain to me, last year how you had no money and your 25 year old chevy surburban wasn't worth as much as the tires on my 80 thousand dollar Jag. You were complaining about 400 hundred dollars of work that needed to be done to it, but you didn't have the cash.
You did not change with the times, that is why you are not rich, you told me you want more money. You just do not know how to obtain riches.
You never demanded, pay top dollar or I am not working for you!
You have been in this business for over a decade, I believe you are still a director at Anarchy Films. Your mom would be proud.
For Gods sakes, please, please please do not do a POV movie. Nothing is grosser, then a fat man doing a cheap POV movie.
Good luck on starting an agency for girls, I personally believe you do not have the drive to run a successful agency.
You are starving for attention, you started a website with your name, every article you write, you find a way to write about yourself, you want to be famous! You crave attention.
10 years of porn and you are still low on the cash!
Dig deep baby, starving for attention can make you rich and creative. What will you do for retirement? You need to get it together financially, social security won't cut it! You give advice to people and slam people, here is my advice to you Mr. Anarchy director, save money, invest,
buy a house, demand top dollar. You need to make some serious changes in your life, your days are numbered.
Skeeter Kerkove "King of Sodom" all the way to the bank Porn producer, director, performer. I am a huge fan of hardcore porn
Skeeter Kerkove
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Posted - Mar 11 2005 : 11:50AM
Skeeter Kerkove
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967 Posts
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Posted - Mar 11 2005 : 11:58AM
Why don't you post a picture of you wearing a Truckers cap. You better not piss Max off, or else he will have his dog Power Fuck your ass and piss down your throat. Then Max will send you packin' from His Mansion, all the way at the very top of the hill.
Skeeter Kerkove "King of Sodom" Porn producer, director, performer. I am a huge fan of hardcore porn
 
scipio
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Posted - Mar 11 2005 : 12:29PM
Tangental post to the topic warning!

I don't personally give two shits about Max, but I've absolutely loved reading Skeeter's posts in this thread.

I even found this. Right at the bottom is the name. Unfortunately even doing a search for Skeeter Kerkove Skate turns up one skating page and 10+ pages relating to the other job. Shame really, I wanted to see some boarding pics.

As for Max's dog getting intimate with LeeO, I'd hope he's not so thin-skinned that he'd take the Jet over to the UK just for Lee, his dog would have to go through a 6-month quarantine as well I think. I do think he looks a little like a Gay Cowboy with that hat though, not that there's anything wrong with that .

I remember the first time I ever saw Max, in the old Colour Climax Corporaton mags, we called him "Hans the well-hung Aryan".

And Skeeter, despite you self-depreciation, you're obviously a lot smarter than the box of rocks you refer to. There's a lot more types of smarts then just book-learnin', as I'm sure we all know.

Anyway, it's almost 5am here and I think it's probably about time I stop my rambling and fuck off.

cheers,

scipio

cobalt60
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Posted - Mar 11 2005 : 1:00PM
Well, fuck my poor choice of analogy.

As for the rest of what was here, who gives a fuck...shiny, happy, shiny, happy.

Edited by - cobalt60 on 3/14/2005 9:43:40 AM

jimmyd
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Posted - Mar 11 2005 : 10:16PM
you're so much more likeable when you've pretended you're a friend.

Edited by - jimmyd on 3/12/2005 12:42:30 AM

Hardware All-Star Supporter
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Your other left
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Posted - Mar 11 2005 : 10:39PM
Love the avatar, jimmyd! Now, let's everybody stop the sniping or I'm locking this. I doubt that will hurt anyone's feelings but, still.
jrv
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Posted - Mar 11 2005 : 11:37PM
To put this on concrete footing:

In Lain Oi's Max scene she broke down when he pissed on her. Yes, he said ahead of time “I'll piss on you.” So yes those words were spoken but that doesn't mean that's what she heard.

I think Lain assumed he was going to use a little tube and colored water. That's what most people would reasonably expect (why try to piss on demand with the crew on the clock?). In the shoot the camera angle even favored faking it.

So she was shocked when he pulled out of her and started pissing. Maybe that's what he said he'd do, but it sure isn't what she heard. Merely saying something isn't quite the same as making sure everyone understands what the scene entails.

GonzoAnalFan
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Posted - Mar 11 2005 : 11:45PM
Question for EVERYONE on this thread...

To my knowledge, Alexa Rae hadn't done B/G anal ever except for once or twice in a compilation called Naughty Girls: Alexa & Ryan...is this true

And if not, what other titles has she performed b/g anal scenes in

Thanks a lot in advance!!

Skeeter Kerkove
Member

967 Posts
2/03
Posted - Mar 12 2005 : 1:38AM
Alexa takes it in the ass in Action Sports #4 Vivid Video, Pat Myne fucks her ass 1999.
Butt sex # 2 Sterling pictures, Dave Hardman fucks her ass 1998
Fire and Ice 3 guys fuck her ass, no D.P., Adam and Eve 1999
Brian Surewood fucks her ass in a movie for Metro 1999.
Skeeter Kerkove "King of Sodom" personally, I feel Max Hardcore and Alexa will never marry, nor do I think they will ever have a love child. Porn producer, director, performer. I am a huge fan of hardcore porn
GonzoAnalFan
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Posted - Mar 12 2005 : 2:19AM
Sweet...Thanks Skeeter!
morbidthoughts All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Mar 12 2005 : 4:01PM
Damn... remind me to crash one of your shoots one day. I'd be too busy eating instead of watching though.
Skeeter Kerkove
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967 Posts
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Posted - Mar 12 2005 : 4:20PM
If you are ever in Los Angeles while I am shooting, you would be more then welcome to join the party! Every shoot I do is a party! We are all drinking and having a ball!
I just talked to Bridgette on the phone, it is 1:11 p.m. here in porn valley. She is almost done with her 4th sex scene of the day! As always, every scene is anal, the scene she is directing right now is a D.P. with Kat. There has also been fisting in every scene. Bridgette has fisted 2 girls already herself today!
Nobody in porn can produce and direct more efficently then Bridgette Kerkove.
Bridgette has now produced and directed and cast over 60 movies. Every sex scene anal, set ups, some dialogue at times, she dresses every girl, she has never taken longer then 9 hours to do an entire movie.
Yes, there are group scenes in every Bridgette Kerkove movie. I am very, very proud of Bridgette for her numerous accomplishments.
Skeeter Kerkove "King of Sodom" Pornography cures poverty! Porn producer, director, performer. I am a huge fan of hardcore porn
 
Adultdvdman
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Posted - Mar 16 2005 : 4:03AM
I have a dub of the original euro version but I was wondering if anyone knew how to get euro verions of MAX HC's dvd's but not dupes. I'm looking for originals.


thanks

jrv
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Posted - Mar 16 2005 : 5:16AM
http://www.xxx-imports.com/ has many of these.
shark1
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Posted - Mar 16 2005 : 9:42AM
You can also buy Max's euro versions on jaded.com. They are $60 a pop though.
Skeeter Kerkove
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Posted - Mar 16 2005 : 9:59AM
Max Hardcore
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Posted - Mar 17 2005 : 11:48PM
I just got wind of this thread. I normally don’t check out message boards, because I keep pretty busy making movies and working on my website at MaxHardcore.com. Long live throat-fucking and sodomy. You can see the trailers of all my recent Euro version movies there. And when I say Euro, I mean really fucking bad.

Hey Skeeter! That’s right my man - sixty dollars a DVD. No one in the world sells his movies for more than me. If that ain’t number one baby, well, I just don’t know what is. And Skeeter, your scenes blow me away, with those whores taking baseball bats up their asses and shit like that!

But as you know, I got my own bag of tricks, Felix. Tell me where else you’ve seen a guy with a hard cock, start pissing in a girl’s mouth, throat-fuck her several times, pull out, and still be flowing!? And how about pissing into a girl’s cranked-open asspipe, her giggling while she sucks it out with a hose? Tell me that buddy boy. Thanks to all the great folks who support me.

I’m always have to laugh when I read the negative comments about me on forums like these. This stuff never seems to die. But it’s great, because making controversial movies has always provided a good living to me, the people who work for me, and all the fine folks who sell my movies. But that’s not exactly why I do it.

I’ve been in the business for a long time, so I’ve got a good perspective on the changes over the years. When I got going in the early 90’s, there were no gapes or ATM, pile-driver or throat fucking. I showed everyone how to do it. Some people at the time said I went way too far, and should be banned. But the opposite happened; people started shooting it.

Now, as for ‘Poor’ Alexa Rae, She was so… confused the time I shot her, it took her several attempts to find my location. But as I recall, we got along fine. I drilled her throat and ass, came in the gaping pipe, and pissed down her throat. Then I paid her, and she left on good terms. I got the exit interview to prove it.

On average, I pay an otherwise unemployable whore around a thousand dollars for two to three hours work. Few lawyers make that much - and they don’t take if up the ass. Call me old fashioned, but I expect people who get paid that much to work hard on the set.

Briana Banks worked for me twice. She would have done more, if she could have gotten up, and made it out her front door. We got along fine in our scenes, and she had no problems with anything I did. Or she didn’t say anything. She’s a girl who says she likes it hard, and you can see it in other scenes she did. But what would you expect her to say once she signed with Vivid?

I generally don’t rough up the whores too much, unless they are down with it. But I’ll admit that upside down throat-fucking and pissing is difficult for almost any girl. But I drink A-LOT of water, so it ain’t as bad as it looks. It’s that the IDEA is bad. Just like cumming in a girl’s face used to be in 1992.

I’m just having fun, making scenes which explore human nature. My goal is to get to the bottom of what girls are willing to do. And what people want to see. You may not like what you see in the mirror I’m holding up, but that doesn’t change things.

So people will always talk shit about my work. I say, go join the moral majority and let you’re true colors show. Better yet, keep talking shit. I couldn’t care less. I got my job to do, and fortunately, there’re lot of people all over the world who want to see what I’ve make. I’m smiling brightly, every single day, and all the way to the bank.


Max Hardcore

ballsonchin
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Posted - Mar 17 2005 : 11:54PM
Keep up the good work Max. F the naysayers
Assanova
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balls deep
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Posted - Mar 18 2005 : 1:41AM
Didn't you call it stove piping? I wonder why that never caught on. I like it better than gaping.
VirginSurgeon
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LA, CA
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Posted - Mar 18 2005 : 1:57AM
Rock on Max. Your fans may not always be as vocal, you've got alot of fans everywhere who enjoy your work and remember the days when all we had to look forward to were hairy chicks bumbin uglys with the likes of Billy Dee or Randy West-(god bless his empty balls...)

Anways, couple things to run by you:

1) Ever thought of auctioning off the porno attire and props
for your videos after you finish them, Mmmm speclum's right
from catalina!

2)Any chance of doing a pregnant series?

Another porn addict
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UK Member
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Posted - Mar 18 2005 : 2:38AM
That I can read these words here from Max (I'm a big fan)is a truly great thing. I hope you carry on enjoying making your work as much as alot of us enjoy watching it Max!
Jacco All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Mar 18 2005 : 6:41AM
In this case it is jaded.com who is laughing I think, we only charge $40 for the euroversions.
On second thought maybe I should just raise those prices

Jacco

 
Eric381
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What are you looking at? It
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Posted - Mar 18 2005 : 7:15AM
No, but the people aren't there to see "you", they're there for McDonald's (and their greasy-azz food). That line of cars? Well, it's good for MCDONALD's...!! :)

I never got into the Max series' of movies, it's pretty rough for a poser like me :) And wasn't at least one of the Briana movies done when she was known as "Mirage"? Briana was much more uninhibited when she had her old title, I recall her doing anal with Dave Hardman in one of the Dane Productions movies.

Eric

Edited by - Eric381 on 3/18/2005 7:34:17 AM
cobalt60
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Posted - Mar 18 2005 : 10:00AM
Max Fuckin' Hardcore Steiner hisself. Hail throatfucking and sodomy! It's good to be the king.

Is it just me? I find it challenging to take a piss with a hardon. There's a valve in there somewhere, a flap of some nature, that shuts off piss flow and opens the sperm gates. That alone makes Max a freak of nature.

HEY, I didn't say that was a bad thing. Who's a naysayer?

"F the naysayers?" It's OK to say 'fuck', balls, watch this - GODDAMNED MOTHERFUCKING COCKSUCKER. See? It's all good. And no, that's not for you, balls, it just felt good.
Like stretching in the morning...AAAAAHHHHHHHHH....isn't that nice?

I've always found that if I take a piss too soon after shooting a load, some of it gets 'stuck' in there and tingles like mad. I feel like I have to wait it out, then finally two or three drops come out and it's like....AAAAAAHHHHHH...that's better.

Well, I just feel better all the way around. Don't we all? Look, what a beautiful day.

MLyons
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Posted - Mar 18 2005 : 10:02AM
ROFL. Cobalt, you're fuckin' killin' me man.
Hardware All-Star Supporter
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Your other left
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Posted - Mar 18 2005 : 10:11AM
Oh, that's funny.
BigBobxxx
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Posted - Mar 18 2005 : 11:55AM
Call me old-fashioned, but I'll take Jules Jordan cumming on Alexa Rae's gorgeous face over Max pissing on and/or in anybody... hard-on or not

You can get some insight into the "issues" some have had with Alexa by reading some of Rog's reviews. Here's a sideswipe he takes at her in his review of Flesh Hunter #2 :

Last and least attractive by a country mile is Alexa. She looks good from the waist down in her shirt skirt, but has enough eye make up on to cover the bags under Houston's eyes and her hair looks kind of greasy. She's showing Jules around a lovely house which allows us to enjoy the tease footage. Not about to rely on her skills as a real estate agent, the takes matters into her own hands. It's nice to see that during her failed mainstream leap, Alexa learned that she isn't too good for porn. Jules has her play with a boy for a bit, but puts her where she belongs, on her knees with a cock in her mouth. Jules spreads her legs and gets her pussy ready for fucking. Before diving in, he fucks her face for a while longer. I may not like this woman at all, but a lot of you are going enjoy watching her get fucked. (and she has pretty nice legs.) The standing doggy is well shot and fairly hot. At least Alexa has learned that she has to be more like the pre-Wicked girl we saw than the dead fuck contract hag she turned into as soon as she cashed the checks. Even the weakest scene in this movie has some good stuff, proving that Jules knows how to shoot good sex even without top notch talent. He shoots his load all over her face and leaves her a mess.

And, from Rog's review of Lex the Impaler #2 :

Featured prominently on the cover is former Wicked Girl Alexa Rae. After falling flat on her marginal face during her brief attempt a mainstream career, Alexa returned to the very business she shit all over. Once Wicked wisely let her go, she probably should have ended up in some really low end movies, but lucked out once again by landing the featured role in this movie. I hope she's a lot more appreciative this time around and realizes that this kind of high profile raincoater movie is a lot better than she deserves.

I don't think Rog likes Alexa, LOL.

Personally, any and all issues aside, I find Alexa Rae incredibly hot (and I don't like tats, piercings, and fake boobs). Go figure.

Rog Reviews

LinusVanPelt
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Posted - Mar 18 2005 : 2:43PM
Rog can be a bit rude at times. Speaking of Rog, he didn't have much nice to say about Mirage's scene in Max Hardcore's Hardcore Schoolgirls 14.
ballsonchin
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Posted - Mar 18 2005 : 5:31PM
Go fuck yourself
Asmodeus
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Posted - Mar 18 2005 : 6:02PM
I love Rog's brutal honesty, its one of the things I admire most about his reviews. As for Alexa, she is hot (as Paris Hilton would say) but there are plenty of others just as beautiful and even more nasty to keep my attention.
skronker
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Posted - Mar 18 2005 : 7:02PM
Sing along now.

[Trad., circa 2005; after the parochial style of Cobalt 60. In swing time!]


Piss and puke and speculums, speculatin'
Come on down, gals, Max is waitin'
Don't be late, don't be hatin', your fate is a date with ...

THE ASSPIPE CLEANER!
He's got a tiny weiner!
But it don't matter!
Cos your face he'll splatter!

Puke and urine and blood!
Gusing like a flood!
Oh my! Oh my! Mis-AHHHHH-Gin-Nighhhhh!

[Male chorus]: Ho! Ho! Ho! Ho! Ho!
She's just a dirty whore!
She can't get out the door on time!
Listen to her whine and whine!

She's late for her date, she's such an ungrate ----

FUL Bitchhhhhhhh!

Yes, he's the ...

ASSPIPE CLEANER!
There is no man meaner!
The Asspipe Cleaner
He's got a tiny weiner!

and so on ad nauseum ....

Edited by - skronker on 3/18/2005 7:02:53 PM

Skeeter Kerkove
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Posted - Mar 18 2005 : 7:17PM
Its not pissing, its squirting! Cows can fly, Santa Claus is comming to town!
Skeeter Kerkove "King of Sodom" Porn producer, director, performer. I am a huge fan of hardcore porn
 
skronker
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Posted - Mar 18 2005 : 7:55PM
But in LA, s do fly.
Max Hardcore
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Posted - Mar 19 2005 : 12:29AM
Hey boys, here's what my guy Birdman has to say on my Message Board about today's update in the Srapheap:

Hey Max Addicts!

Up this week in the Scrap Heap is poor lil' Anita Blue form Pure Max 18. Ya know, I've been in The Max Army for a couple of years now and sometimes I think I've seen it all (esp. after that lunatic Barbii Buccxx)... but then The King of All Hardcore will hand me a scene like this one, and my mind gets blown all over again.

This is probably the single most intense example of the Max Treatment yet: this little tramp Anita thinks she's got the Biz all figured out, after doing some rinky-dink scenes back East. She's out here in Porn Country, USA thinking she's gonna do a simple blowjob scene, grab her cash, and split. What she gets instead is a journey into the darkest reaches of her sexuality. Pushed beyond what she can handle... and yet she never walks away.

Max slams fucks her face until her eyes roll back in her empty head and throat slime rolls down her face. Her first taste of piss illicts screams of revulsion, yet she sits there and takes it all.

Max pummels her throat from every possible position, finally blasting her with a load of gooey cum... and while she protests a few times, she's always quickly back for more cock. By the time Max gets done rinsing off her face with his piss, she's beyond cooked... sitting there whimpering, probably wondering how far into the abyss she's gone and why she doesn't want to leave.

It's the perfect example of degradation as revelation, as even though Anita claims at the end that she did things she'd never do again, it's pretty clear she's well on her way to fully realizing her Inner Whore.

We're glad we could help ya out with that Anita!

Enjoy your weekend everybody! And remember to keep coming back to the one true Home of Hardcore: MaxHardcore.com!

The Real Birdman

Destroyer
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Posted - Mar 19 2005 : 1:03AM
Personally i live the rought fuck, and all thing that we see in some extreme associates or max hardcore movie. But as for Max the only thing im not really into is that lot of girl who shoot with him are not very atractive, there not a lot of girl who have big boobs, and all girl have to be dress like a clown...and something they got so much make-up on the face that they don`t look anything...

I visit a lot Max site and is other site and found only a few atractive girl, Briana Banks of course(who look better today, maybe because the way she is dressed...and the implan of course) Alexa and maybe 2 or 3 other girl. I know that the typical "big pornstar" won`t do piss, but when i watch a xxx movie it have to be with atractive women.

Maybe its because iw watch too much porn movie...but i enjoy movie with only very beautiful girl, girls like Krystal Steal, Gina Lynn etc (but personally i think alexa is really cute, one of my favoite, but prefer her in blonde)

So Max it would be cool if someday you shoot some rought porn with girl that look much like "typical 20 years old pornstars" and are dress elegantly. Personally im not really into the "girl who look like retarded teen" stuff. Thats why i love the cocktails movies and Forced Entry from extreme associates, hardcore but with good-looking pornstar like Taylor St-clair , Kristy Myst and Jewel Denyle.

Pornmaster Mike
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32DDD
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Posted - Mar 19 2005 : 2:45AM
wow it really looks as though Anita *enjoyed her scene*

theres nothing sexier than watching a girl balling her eyes out while shes getting a facial

- Pornmaster Mike

Another porn addict
Member

UK Member
315 Posts
2/05
Posted - Mar 19 2005 : 7:31AM
Sounds like you should be watching some of Skeeter's movies instead Destroyer. He uses quite a number of large titted women in his movies. I personally find big tits a BIG turnoff and I positively RELISH the way Max dolls up the girls in his movies. So please keep on rolling in exactly the same direction Max!
ballsonchin
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Posted - Mar 19 2005 : 8:12AM
That was just schtick
respect
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Posted - Mar 19 2005 : 2:05PM
Of course the great Max Hardcore doesn't fit in one of these categories.

Another porn addict
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Posted - Mar 19 2005 : 2:57PM
And nor necessarily do those of us who enjoy seeing his movies.
zigster
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Posted - Mar 19 2005 : 6:29PM
There was an excellent story on Max hardcore in an old issue of "Icon" magazine...he had issues with his mother and did not like her, which might explain his behavior.
nietzsche
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Posted - Mar 19 2005 : 7:04PM
What is Icon Magazine?
M vanHouten
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Posted - Mar 19 2005 : 7:41PM
Max Hardcore fans must be the lowest life form on earth.
VirginSurgeon
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LA, CA
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Posted - Mar 19 2005 : 9:05PM
NO, people who make sweeping general statements are,... then us Max fans!!
DenverDon
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Posted - Mar 19 2005 : 9:36PM
Mod Note: This had better get back on a discussion mode quick or it's headed for lockdown. Cease with the name calling and mudslinging.

Some like max, some don't.

Max Hardcore
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Posted - Mar 19 2005 : 10:35PM
You guys who cut and paste really cut me up! Some folks got some real issues to work through.

Me, I don't have any problems. Just not enough time to play. Check out my tour to see what I mean.

It's all good, in the Max Neighborhood. Throat fucking rules. New ass-fucking girls rule!

Max


mod note: made URL clickable.


Edited by - hardware on 3/20/2005 4:02:03 AM

Asmodeus
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az-mo-day-us
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Posted - Mar 19 2005 : 10:53PM
Great to see Max hasn't been run off by all the haters. For the record, I've been a long-time fan of his work going back to his days with Bobby Hollander and especially the stuff he did while at Zane Entertainment. I might not always like the pissing and puking, but I do love the intense anal action Max is well-known for. Oh Barbie Angel, where are you?!

Edited by - Asmodeus on 3/19/2005 10:55:28 PM

Solid
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180 Posts
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Posted - Mar 19 2005 : 11:48PM
I guess "can't get fully hard" rules in your neighborhood,too.
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