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Sbando Boy
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1839 Posts
6/01
Posted - Oct 6 2003 : 4:28AM
Terratec produces great cards, but people are still complaining about their drivers.
Anyway, I promised myself that I will never buy a Creative audio card.
I'd like to hear your opinions.
GaySatyr
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1684 Posts
10/00
Posted - Oct 6 2003 : 1:23PM
Depends on what you want it for - if you are looking for a gaming card, you are better off with Creative, regardless of your prejudice against it - its the best. If you are interested in a card for its music quality, Creative is not the way to go - look at the EchoAudio Mia or the M-Audio Audiophile 2496 - these are far superior for true music reproduction (the real thing, not MP3s, which are little more than musical jokes).

~ GaySatyr

DenverDon
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5914 Posts
7/02
Posted - Oct 6 2003 : 1:25PM
I do games, not music.

Creative has been great!

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aybesea
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1485 Posts
5/02
Posted - Oct 6 2003 : 2:01PM
For music, I love Turtle Beach cards.
GaySatyr
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1684 Posts
10/00
Posted - Oct 6 2003 : 2:45PM
Actually, the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz sound card is probably the best game/music compromise. It is good with both: better at music than the Creative boards and better at gaming than the EchoAudio, M-Audio & Terratec boards - and it is inexpensive. However, if your interest is gaming at the expense of music or music at the expense of gaming, the TBSC is still a compromise.

~ GaySatyr

 
AlexPanzer
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1593 Posts
6/03
Posted - Oct 6 2003 : 5:34PM
Theres also Fortissimo III 7.1 by Gulimot, great card at a great price ($46.00)
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14594 Posts
3/02
Posted - Oct 6 2003 : 7:26PM
As the proud owner of an EchoAudio Layla 24/96 I've gotta say - this card sucks at games! Ok, that's an overstatement, but the programmers' main interest definitely isn't in keeping it DirectX compliant. You don't want one of these things if you're going to do games unless you know how to mess with your DirectX setup and enjoy that kind of thing. I bitch and moan, but I wouldn't trade it for anything else because it absolutely rocks for audio recording and playback.

And, BTW, I did get it to work with Tomb Raider - AOD, so it can be done!

Evil_Rip
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1117 Posts
12/99
Posted - Oct 6 2003 : 8:36PM
Which is a good card for DVDs?

GaySatyr
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1684 Posts
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Posted - Oct 6 2003 : 9:24PM
If you mean for movie sound reproduction, including up to 7.1 Dolby/DTS/THX and all the other various and sundry theater sound standards, probably the best choice is the M-AUDIO "Revolution" 24/96 sound card (output to your home theater surround sound system or to the high-end Klipsch ProMedia computer speakers) - plus the board is available from NewEgg.com for only $90.

Understand that this board is designed for extreme high fidelity and does not allow a great deal of adjustment - no fancy equalizers. And, despite its gaming claims (at which it generally sucks), it's really a single purpose implementation: If you want to build a dedicated home theater computer box, it reigns supreme.

~ GaySatyr

AlexPanzer
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1593 Posts
6/03
Posted - Oct 6 2003 : 10:44PM
The best card for everything is SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS.
Feature:

Superior Fidelity 24-bit ADVANCED HD™ THX® Certified Sound Card
Studio Quality Audigy™2 ZS External I/O Hub
Advanced Resolution™ 24-bit DVD-Audio Playback
Ultra-realistic EAX® 4.0 ADVANCED HD™ Effects and Acoustic Enhancements
Patented Creative CMSS® 3D Audio Technology
Integrated High Speed 1394 FireWire® Port

I dont think that you can beat this with anything else unless you are willing to go higher than $1,000 on a studio workstation class sound card.

GaySatyr
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1684 Posts
10/00
Posted - Oct 6 2003 : 11:24PM
Sorry, but compared to the sound quality of the EchoAudio, M-Audio and Terratec sounds card, the Audigy 2 (in any of its incarnations) sucks at true high fidelity sound. Yes, it is an excellent sound card. Yes, it is true 24-bit audio. However, regardless of Creative's claims, it just isn't built to the specs of high-end audio. I'm talking about differences that are obvious when listening to audio played via computer through the sound card with output to a true hi-fi amplifier (currently a matched set of four McIntosh MC2300 amps) connected to true hi-fi speakers (Martin Logan electrostatics).

There really is an audible difference. And it is dramatic. I know - I've tried them all (well, not all, but many). My favorites thus far are the M-Audio Revolution for generic, multi-channel, home theater playback and the EchoAudio Mia (or the Mia/Midi - the Layla model gives you the flexibility of additional channels of input and output) for two-channel stereo recording and playback. Their competition from the mass market computer manufacturers just don't cut the mustard.

These boards are not that expensive. They were designed from the outset to be audio boards - not sound cards. Gaming is just not their forte. The gaming sound card manufacturers have different design goals in mind and their cards reflect that bias.

I'm not saying that the Creative Audigy 2 sucks totally - just that, if your goal is absolute purity of audio reproduction, you need to look elsewhere. The Audigy 2 boards are a good match for output to a $250~400 mid-fi receiver, but they can't compete if you are truly aiming at high-end hi-fi targets. The boards from EchoAudio, M-Audio and Terratec can.

~ GaySatyr

Sbando Boy
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1839 Posts
6/01
Posted - Oct 7 2003 : 1:38AM
In my original post, what I meant was "I will never buy a Creative audio card" AGAIN.
GS told you why and I generally trust his judgement when it comes to computer stuff.
Add to that: Soundblaster + VIA KT133A = they made my life miserable.

I'll probably go for an M-Audio Audiophile 2496.

GaySatyr
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Posted - Oct 7 2003 : 4:39AM
The M-Audio Audiophile 2496 (two versions: internal and external USB) is also a great board; however, it does not support multi-channel surround sound. Instead, it will pass-thru the data needed for DSP and the various surround channels to an external processor. This is the "audio purist's" board of choice from the M-Audio line and corresponds to the Mia/Midi model from EchoAudio. It is not a great gaming board.

Both versions of the M-Audio Audiophile 2496 are available at NewEgg.com.

~ GaySatyr

Sbando Boy
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1839 Posts
6/01
Posted - Oct 7 2003 : 6:31AM
Yes, GS, I know.
I never installed a pc game in my whole life and music is my #1 hobby.
Unfortunately, NewEgg does not ship outside of the US.
But it shouldn't be hard to find that card in the EC.
I just made a big purchase at pc-silent.de, incredibly cool shop if your need is to make your computer, well, silent.
Sbando Boy
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1839 Posts
6/01
Posted - Oct 7 2003 : 6:31AM
P:S: thanks for the help.
 
Sbando Boy
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1839 Posts
6/01
Posted - Oct 10 2003 : 4:49AM
I found the Audiophile 2496 here in Florence. Yippie!

Of course, the 30 giga iPod is also very tempting...


Update: got the card, 210 euros (hard-earned tips :-) )

Edited by - Sbando Boy on 10/14/2003 3:02:22 PM

ShiWarrior
Senior Member

1170 Posts
8/01
Posted - Oct 14 2003 : 3:47PM
and for Games!!!

got 1 here

its called something else over in the UK (Videologic)

got a Sonic Fury myself
every 1 i know who has a soundblaster and have heard my card, they rate it over the SB, and they ditch the SB and get a turtle beach

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Sbando Boy
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1839 Posts
6/01
Posted - Oct 22 2003 : 2:48AM
GaySatyr
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Half dirty ol' man; half horny ol' goat!
1684 Posts
10/00
Posted - Oct 22 2003 : 10:16AM
Sbando Boy: An amazing sound card.

I'm glad you like it. ~ GS




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