Can the audience here give some examples of straight black/white IR where neither male or female performer was objectified/fetishized based on their race and the black performer was not made to dress/act in a stereotypically thug manner? I've seen so many great pairings ruined by the almost obligatory "I love black men because they're so blah blah blah" or "I love that white girl ass blah blah blah." Is there a market for IR where it's only about the performers getting it on with passion and intensity, without the [totally unnecessary] racism?
Anything coming from Russia ,All of harmony movies although none of them is strictly an IR movie.Also recommended for passion and intensity The whole British Omar Williams' old productions (difficult to find though) but beside the set placed and the regular clothes he wears in there his accent puts him far away from the usual thug/black American guy. All of Sineplex Interracial (few titles though) Most of Joachim Kessef's European productions. For the American side But to stay in the USA Sean Michaels begun to stress the racial part only recently and very very slightly , but most of his movies aren't as such (except those based on cuckolding of course) plus he very often goes with suits and plays as a teacher , father , mature man. Justin Long too very often wears a suit and speaks with proper English (not those: yo,bro and such). Lexington Steele too doesn't stress the thing and wears proper chlotes and often a suit. Mandingo never does , though in both cases there are reference to their big dicks but then they are off the charts even for porn. when Nica Noelle puts an IR scene in her movies doesn't put the racial part in them and you can't get more passion and intensity than that put in by her Edited by - LCF on 6/11/2014 2:38:34 AM
Anything featuring black talent from the following directors: LT Mimefreak Mike John Jules Jordan Jay Sin Jenna Haze Mason Nica Noelle And probably a bunch of others.
^ Possibly Lisa Ann and Dana Vespoli , the racial part is in the covers and advertising much like Jules Jordan not so much in the scenes Anyway none of them is praised enough for what they're doing
I think racism is often in the eye of the beholder and not necessarily in the scene. The same situation and behavior can often be understood and interpreted in many different ways. Because whether it's racism or not depends a lot on the intentions of the actors, which aren't always clear. The actors don't normally say what their intentions are. It's something you need to guess by looking at how they behave. And your guess depends on how you choose to look at it. It depends partly on you and not just on what you see. I think porn fans in USA are more likely to see racism, even when it's not there than other audiences. Because racism is more prevalent and familiar for people in USA. But it's possible to counter-act this tendency to over-see racism by mixing black women with white women and black guys with white guys. If there is a white guy and a black guy together teaming up on a white lady, then you won't likely see racism there. And if a white guy and a black guy team up on a black lady, then you won't see much racism there either. The same is true if a black lady and a white lady team up on a white guy or on a black guy.
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Posted - Jun 12 2014 : 11:41AM
Usually in these scenes what we have are fictional scenarios that play up the fetishistic aspects of interracial sex. Calling these scenes "racist" is like saying Dirty Masseur on Brazzers is sexist because the women in those scenes find it impossible to get a massage from a guy, a complete stranger, without having sex with him. We're not talking about reality in IR scenes anymore than we are in the innumerable scenes that imply that female cops will probably demand sex if they come to your door on a complaint or pull you over. Furthermore if what you call "racism" is in the scene, then it is totally necessary to that particular scene in light of the director's vision. Obviously, that vision involves the depiction of interracial sex as a fetish. If that is the goal of the director, how can the "racism" of the scene be superfluous?
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Posted - Jun 12 2014 : 11:48AM
Mandingo and Lex have always done scenes where "race wasn't a big deal." Well, OK, it is a "big deal" , but not due to racial stereotypes, thuggish behavior or "niggah/ho" talk. These guys are just great studs who happen to be Black, and I enjoy their scenes especially because of how normal and mainstream these guys are. All the racial stereotype, thuggish behavior and "niggah/ho" talk porn, which is regrettably a huge percentage of the current Black/White market, is of no interest to me whatsoever. Zero.
Problem is you're asking about a category/label that specifically sells a scene as "look customers, these performers of different races with different pigmentation are having sex" and it's generally Black/Not-Black performers. Anyway, a scene that comes to mind where there are two performers of different races & the focus is not on their difference is Missy & Carlo's scene in Missy Stone in Glamorous.
Well I believe his point was just that , why the scenario must be so racist ? It is known that Shane likes or liked to be called "nigger" when she fucks a white girl , there are white girls who like to be "abused" by black men , it's fine with me. But there's no need to do this every time Many cuckold movies now tend to humiliate the man and it is getting worse. Not even dogfart was like that once , I know you are a member but take a look to the scenes of Aimee Tyler for example or some of IR pickups , or even black on cougars. That of Aimee was like her going to the fridge in the kitchen to take some water she wears a negligè , she slept in that house as it appears she plays with the bottle and her pussy (possibly sore after the night?) , then two or three guys showed up in the same kitchen they see her talked to her and then fucked her, the guys apparently slept in the same house possibly with her , it just happened they were black . The other scene it's her making some workout in a garden possibly the same house as the other ,she's been reached by three guys and after a short while they ended up fucking , again the guys just happened to be black and already were in the house , homies or lovers. Aurora Snow first scene in there begun in a shower she's reached by two guys who fucked her senseless , again they guys were already there , homies or lovers it was a normal scene of people who know each other and happened with two black guys.
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Posted - Jun 12 2014 : 5:23PM
I don't consider most of the Dog Fart, Devils Film, and other scenes shot in a similar vein to be racist. If IR is shot as a fetish, does that automatically make it racist? It may just be that because I regularly engage in fetish play in my personal life I am used to not taking fetish scenarios literally."As a fetish, cuckolding is a form of mental masochism that mostly involves mental humiliation." (What is a Cuckold?)I don't dispute that and I enjoy those older scenes and style as well as what came after. Edited by - misspornUSA on 6/12/2014 5:23:50 PM
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Posted - Jun 12 2014 : 5:24PM
Besides what everyone else has mentioned, Blacked.com may end up the kind of scenario you describe.
^ not even close , let me guess a white girl enters an office to look for work and gets blackmailed into sex? Her BF stays out waiting hearing her literally howling and doing nothing? yeah real passion , no racial themes in there , no abusive black, no dumb and worthless white, the real thing. In legal porn there was a couple involving Momoko and Edic , the girl stays on couch resting the man saw her and bent to kiss her , she awakes and grabs his neck pulling him down they kiss , laugh, smile and then begun to touch each other and then fuck (Edic/Eric is a black Russian guy) the other was similar but it was on a bed she was studying in her room and he "disturbs" her. @misspornoUSA, cuckolding has different shades not always the man is masochistic there are those who enjoy seeing their wives fucked , but they won't accept humiliation.
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Posted - Jun 12 2014 : 7:24PM
^I've been involved in cuckold fetish play many times in my personal life and can say with some certainty that humiliation of the cuckold virtually always plays a substantial role. In light of that, many people in the BDSM community would argue that the men who you described are not truly be cuckolded.It's interesting to note that there are plenty of non-IR scenes in which that happens. Is that kind of scene only okay if it's not IR then? Is it never okay? Stereotypical IR scenes are not uniquely unrealistic. Edited by - misspornUSA on 6/12/2014 7:37:52 PM
Question: People tend to mostly talk about cuckold movies where the guy is humiliated but I've seen cuckold movies where the guy is enjoying the other guy banging his wife and encourages the guy to bang her harder. Is that considered "cuckold" too, or is that called something else?
I know at least one guy who is involved in this and knowing that I had a brief experience swinging even offered me to give it a try (with his GF) , I didn't accept (I was in love hence not interested in any other girl) but he just want to see her cumming as often as he could in any position he could , it's his fetish . He wouldn't accept t to be humiliated. As you pointed out in the BDSM community it'd be not considered cuckolded , but then again BDSM is a niche itself , the vast majority of people won't even give it a try . Cuckolding has possibly the same percentages , the majority don't like the BDSM part of it As for stereotyped IR and I stress the fact that we are talking about IR I'm not saying that homogeneous race is good , we just have a specific topic set by the OP here. However, I may say that in a homogeneos scene the viewer could imagine himself in either position the fucker or the cuckolded , but if each role is always represented by two different races with no exchange in roles , then you can only identify yourself in the one who represent you. At least on a masculine point of view , the woman get fucked either way, so it is possibly different. BTW I just wanted to point out that even though the black guy depicted wears a suit he is no different than the abusive and exploitative thug who does exactly the same. While I admit that having the cuckold out of the way makes easier to enjoy the scene pretending he doesn't exist , still he is the usual white cuckold , the usual idiot , the usual pencil dicked guy (to which I can't identify myself but that's another story) and thank God not the usual black cum lover depicted recently in many movies. Not to mention the usual white girl who gets "addicted to BBC" at first sight. It is really impossible to show an actual seduction?(porn seduction hence dumb and quick but seduction nevertheless) I put this picture in another thread This picture shows attraction , it is intense it goes over races if they put any usual racial crap (and some non racial) in this scene (such as extreme salivation, expressed love for Black Cock, (YOUR cock it's ok though), then it's ruined. it is the MAN she wants not just a random black cock.
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Posted - Jun 13 2014 : 1:14PM
^I think that the following explains the distinction I am trying to make between what cuckolding actually is and what you understand it to be fairly well:Dog Fart is a family of fetish sites, not unlike Kink.com and other such website grouping. I can understand and respect that white men might not like IR as a fetish and prefer non-fetish IR, but to take what are obviously fetish scenes literally and decry them as "racist" seems unreasonable to me. This reminds me of men, and there are many of them, who criticize femdom scenes for misandry. In fact, these are fantasies being acted out and I find it strange how that fact appears to be lost on some viewers. Edited by - misspornUSA on 6/13/2014 1:15:26 PM Edited by - misspornUSA on 6/13/2014 1:16:10 PM
MOD: Go back on topic of movies where the race in IR wasn't a big deal. If this continues to be yet another thread where people cry racist it will end up like the others that go that way.
I must clarify that for "racist" I just meant where the racial part of the performers is stressed , stereotyped and sometimes exaggerated, never meant racist in a philological way . When I say that a scene is less racist or racial than another I meant for example a scene where there's no mention of the race of those involved even though it's there for everybody to see compared to one in which this is evidenced every two minutes by either performer It's a mean for comparison for the lack of better words If I find a site really racist I wouldn't be a member Edited by - LCF on 6/13/2014 2:01:15 PM
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Posted - Jun 13 2014 : 2:14PM
^I see. Thanks for the clarification.
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Posted - Jun 13 2014 : 6:58PM
harlanspector, you asked specifically "Is there a market for IR where it's only about the performers getting it on with passion and intensity, without the [totally unnecessary] racism?" To respond to your specific question, I'd say yes, there is a market for what you described. And if truth be told, I'm part of that market. I'm not, as one poster put it, a white man who "might not like IR as a fetish and prefer non-fetish IR." I'm a black porn consumer who doesn't care for fetish IR and is happy when the stereotypes are left at the door. The stereotypes turn me off; I get subjected to enough of them in real life, I don't need to see them in porn. Nica Noelle has done by far the best job of filming it in my opinion, although Jules Jordan has also done some good work.
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Posted - Jun 14 2014 : 6:17AM
Several sean micheals films appear to be more about the sex than an interracial theme
As it usually happnes here with me so often whenever one of these type of threads pop up claiming "There's not enough this..." and "There's too much of that..." I have to wonder what the posters are watching and what their definitions of certain things are because most of the time I disagee with what's being said. I'm wondering what you think makes an IR movie the type of movie being discussed here. If the word "black" is ever used, does it become an objectified movie/scene? If the black male is dressed a certain way? If the movie title uses the word "black" or "big" does it automatically make it that type of movie? If the sex is hard/intense is it that type of movie? If Westly Pipes is in the scene is it automatically a "thug" scene?
^ I thought I was pretty clear in the OP. I'm looking for scenes with actors of different ethnicities where the key element is the chemistry between the performers, and not racial fetish. A really easy metric for what I'm looking for is this: Is it something that would make sense in the context of the scene if all of the performers were the same race? That filters out scenes that rely on racial stereotypes or tropes (mail order Asian wife, thug black dude, hoodrat, deflowered Muslim girl, etc). blacked.com has cleaned things up, and has gotten rid of the degredation, putting black male performers as characters who are more than just hood thugs - actors, powerful businessmen etc. I was actually even more impressed by sister site vixen.com which I believe actually has two IR scenes in which the lead-in scenario had nothing to do specifically with the race of either performer's character.
, but not due to racial stereotypes, thuggish behavior or "niggah/ho" talk.
This picture shows attraction , it is intense it goes over races if they put any usual racial crap (and some non racial) in this scene (such as extreme salivation, expressed love for Black Cock, (YOUR cock it's ok though), then it's ruined. it is the MAN she wants not just a random black cock.