Thanks for the response, I hope you can get to the bottom of this and find out who's guilty of the missing DAP action.

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I got my copy today btw from AdultDVDNow. I usually wait when I order new DVD's but I really wanted to see this movie so I ordered it right away but this is a lesson for next time, JUST WAIT A WHILE!!!

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It's probably not as expensive to replace existing DVD's as you would think. The bigger cost is probably in redoing the disc in the first place.

We're not talking about replacing every copy, only the copies of the people who know enough to ask for a replacement. It's not like an automobile recall. Diabolic doesn't know who bought this movie. They can't contact the customers. The customers will have to contact them. I'd be surprised if 10% of the people who own the original version of this disc asked for a replacement (that includes the 100% of ADT members who own the disc).

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It probably just comes down to priority. I would think that producing new product is currently a higher priority than finding out what caused this problem and subsequently fixing it.

I'm still holding out hope that we will get an answer to this (one that we will be happy with).

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"That's brutal,son!"
-Tony T

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That speed reading stuff is only good for skimming. Not the best way to read carefully .

Ron

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Edited by - Gregg Alan on 3/17/2004 1:10:38 PM

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I just wanted to first thank you for taking the time to get the information and report back to us, and I understand your frustration at the many of the conspiracy theorists we seem to have here.

That said, Lord knows that we all make mistakes, but the fact remains that the "Double Anal Abound" IS on the box cover, and for those that are buying this movie specifically for that kind of action, and given the somewhat unique stature and slow release times of the GBG movies, that's a pretty darn unforgivable mistake. And that's to say nothing about the mistakes made in shooting that rendered the footage unusable.

All of these problems have been brought up with regard to Ana/Dia in the past, to no real gain.

Anyway, I really don't know what you can do about it this time except apologize, (and perhaps change your boxcover for future pressings). I also realize that answering to a bunch of demanding fans on a website has to wear you down after a while. I've never been a huge fan of Ana/Dia, and I'm certianly no fan of double anal, so maybe I'm out of place saying this, but despite its sometimes harsh delivery, I can't help but think that alot of the criticism in this thread, and previous threads like it, is valid.

Again, thanks for being here, and listening. No matter what we all say, we certainly appreciate your willingness to participate.

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Edited by - Chico Wang on 3/17/2004 6:13:57 PM

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I do admit I am not all that tolerant of Anabolic/Diabolic's mistakes and I still am not. I also made some harsh criticisms and I still stand by them. Let me explain why. Some of the people who posted under the A/D have been rude and some of the practices have been borderline unfair to the fans. You advertise on your site that you have outtakes of scenes on your site not available anywhere else. For example, you have GBA 11 outtakes available on your site (or at least that is what you advertised) GBA 11 Gia's scene. You give the impression that joining the A or D site will get you extras that are not available on the regular video or DVD. This is not the first example, just the most recent. So I get very suspicious whenever you cut something out. For a long time buyer of A/D products, this business practice of yours irritates the heck out of me. I, a long time buyer of A/D with hundreds of your titles, feel that I am getting shafted. Also, you have DVD versions with scenes not found in the video version and the DVD comes out 1 year after the video so a buyer has to buy both. This is fleecing the customer. For example, GBA 9 had Melanie Jagger do double vag but only in the DVD. We are not taking about a shorter version in the video because of time constraints, but extra scenes as a way to get people to buy both. Needless to say I was not thrilled by such business practices. For a long time, A/D refused to have simultaneous releases until it got to the point where people literally stopped buying the video. All the responses provided were lame, or worse, confrontational. Only recently did A/D have simultaneous releases.

I was a big buyer of your videos and DVDs (and even wrote some positive and some negative reviews of A/D titles) and what did that get me -- profanity and F words from A/D -- basically calling me a F***ing **** and threatening to beat me up. I was accused of making and imagining things up when I pointed out another A/D overstatement until I showed with archived google pages that the webmaster of Anabolic changed the text and then had the audacity of accusing me of making the mistake. I commented on 1 second cuts and was told that I was wrong until I named 1 scene -- a GBA 7 dap scene. I do agree that you are not the same as the previous posters from A/D but nevertheless, they represented the company and showed very low professionalism.

When we brought up this problem, you took too long to respond until it was brought up too many times for you to avoid. If you had responded immediately and on day one (or day two), conspiracy theories would not abound. Doron promised a response with a specific self-imposed dateline and could not deliver. When that happens, customers loose all sympathy. I have commented on the poor shooting techniques of Anabolic in the past (many many time) and here GBG 35 had the very same problem -- shoot a dap scene of Ariana, promise it on the box cover and edit it out of the release because it was so bad. This is one heck of a screwup especially when such screwups were routine pointed out to your company. This is not the first screwup, just the latest in a big series of screwups. Regardless of whether the mistake is genuine or not, putting a description on the box and not delivering constitutes fraud. It is up to you to make sure that such mistakes do not happen and I have zero tolerance for such screwups. I would not have bought GBG 35 if I had known that the DAP scene was so badly shot that it had to be edited out of the DVD. I am not planning to sue Anabolic, but the mistake is solely Anabolic's and I frankly have no sympathy at this point. In fact, I have reduced my buying of A/D from just about every new release to about 1 in 4 because I just got tired of the attitude, mistakes, and terrible camerawork. I would prefer not to buy any titles but you still produce a few good titles every now and then. After all the hype of GBG 35, I bought the title, saw it once and never bothered to see it again. To me, it is that bad. Even though I like seeing Ariana, I could not get over the poor camerawork and edits. I also understand that you are trying to make things right, but you have to carry the burden of past A/D mishaps and until you do so I will remain suspicious of careless mistakes. I have got burned too many times from Anabolic and I used to be one of the biggest supporters. I have every title for many to most of your series so I do know what I am talking about when I make a criticism. I can be a very harsh critic but I can also be very objective.

I am not a passive fan but a big paying customer. I actually have bought a lot of your products. I don't rent and cannot be bothered to resell old DVDs.

So the ball is in your court to regain by business.

Ron

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Here Anabolic screwed up one more time and what do they do? Instead of trying to make ammends, they say, we cannot be bothered to treat fans right so we will not correct the problem. Regardless of whether you mean it that way, the action conveys that message very clearly. Remember, actions speak louder than words. Other companies have tried very hard to correct mistakes and make ammends but you very grudgingly provided an excuse (which to me is still extremely lame) and basically said we will correct future box cover reprints of GBG 35. The only ethical thing to do is to rectify the mistake even if it means that A/D will not make a profit on this title.

The attitude is A/D is tops and we do not need to worry about fans -- you commented on how your sales have gone up. Fans are there to be exploited or ignored. You accuse people of accusing you unfairly when your business practices show that the suspicions have some merit.

You can see my position. As I said, many of the mishaps occured before you posted in ADT but nevertheless, the mishaps were from A/D.

Ron

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I had to do Jules Jordan's "Invasian" first, but this one is next.

LATE

Rog

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All I can say is I'm really happy with the recent DVDs I've rented or purchased from Anabolic or Diabolic. The Chico Wang 3:30 runtimes (if that is how long it is) with 8 scenes plus bonuses, with lots of wacky clowning around and lots of extras, are great value. My complaint is just that I wish they could cut the lagtime between posting clips on the paysites and the release of the DVD featuring the clips. Gia Paloma in GBA11? Fuck yeah! I want it NOW. Same goes for Teagan getting double-jammed by two black studs in "Up Your Ass ..." Git it on!

Actually, I want Gia Paloma to become an inseparable addendum to my cock -- but that's another thread. Maybe Chico can make my dreams come true when I hit L.A. sometime in the next couple of months.

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I want Behind The Scenes to be put up immediately. Anything else would be of a complete disservice to paying members.

What you have to realize is that it is up to the individual director whether or not they want to use the Behind The Scenes for DVD Extras.

I personally do not like to include BTS in my videos though I do use snippets from time to time. My minions are usually scared little introverts or fat, goofy fucks to have much of a presence. I mean, if I bought a DVD, the last thing I would want is to see a fat, hairy pig wearing a pink bikini. That's just plain gay for a DVD but makes great web content.

Let me know about your sojourn to LA. I actually had lunch with Gia who will be in the next No SwALLOWing ALLOWed. Just make sure you're tested and you're 'in'.

Chico
Diabolic Video Productions

PS Boogie Nights 3.0 opens in April 3rd. Just checked the furniture today and I ordered large military style tents for the front yard. Still pondering the possibility of a teepee for a front yard smoking lounge.

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I'll let you know when I'm headed out that way. Probably early June the way things are looking. It'll give me time to shed some of my minion-like girth due to winter fat storage. Yeah, Gia rocks. I can't believe I overlooked her in Vegas.

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PS For the record, when there is Behind The Scenes shooting, often times I send a minion to shoot it for the web and there's another person who shoots it for the direct. Never ever would I deliberately put something on the Net and avoid the videos. This is just an absolutely ridiculous conspiracy theory. The mere fact I can place Behind The Scenes of sets only hours after it's been shot should actually tell the customer what they should expect in the future.

I'm not going to comment on this video simply because it is not my movie. It's kind of like asking Julian why there may be a mistake with a Sean Michaels video.

For my movies, I shoot it all myself, I sit through the whole editing, and therefore I take full responsibility over any fumbles which inevitably occur. As long as Gregg is cool with my product, I'm cool.

The whole sky is falling mentality is ridiculous. This is fucking porno after all. Let's not get too high and mighty when the reality is that the copy on the box was a mistake and it will be rectified, perhaps not to your liking.

I was at the Gangbang and had to leave immediately. 20+ guys is a clusterfuck waiting to happen. Impossible to control. And Ariana does get claustrophobic at times. I know. I used to try to squeeze her juicy titties in my minion's small car when she lived with me and she would freak out. But she pulled the scene like a trooper and felt more at ease when the dicks went in.

Because we peruse ADT on a regular basis, I think alot of us lose perspective again on the importance of ADT. I only come in to listen to constructive criticism and to joke around. This site is purely for amusement. I also understand that this board is propogated by the 1% of the Internet saavy porno buyers that are rabid porn addicts. I'm in the same boat. We also lose sight of our own personal interests and try to claim community interests.

Do I take this board seriously? Not really. Should any porn producer take this board seriously? Not really. The only thing porn producers do take seriously is sales and repeat sales and re-repeat sales and (lather rinse repeat).

Alot of directors throw around Editor Choices and awards and reviews and such. I actually received two AVN Editor Choices in a row. But to me, that means shit if my videos don't move. I make movies the way I WANT to see movies, not the way I THINK the wanker wants to see it. You try to please everyone and you end up pleasing nobody. I can't tell you how many of the directors some of you praise so highly aren't even on the set when the shooting starts. Some even are on vacation in Mexico while their cameraman is shooting to hit a deadline so they could put their name on the box. And most of them don't even sit in on the editing and some loop sex positions.

You see, it's amusing to see people slam me on these boards and later admit they've never seen my movies. It's amusing to see some people claim I'm putting 2 Extra scenes in a DVD because I'm trying to 'hide' something. It's amusing to see people criticize me for not getting anal from girls who have never ever done anal in any videos ever then complain about the mistreatment of girls on video. And the list goes on and on.

All I'm saying is let's not get mired in some illusion of self-importance and hubris when this forum, to me, is actually an area where we can offer constructive criticism based on personal tastes and celebrate the adult industry and our ability to jack off to movies. Don't take everything so seriously. We're all in FantasyLand.

Chico

PS: RonK, I'm actually putting the failed attempts at DAP with Melissa Lauren in Un-Natural Sex #12 in the DVD Extras. Just as I promised.

Edited by - Chico Wang on 3/18/2004 5:46:49 AM

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I can do wonders for the obese. See this ...

Chico

Edited by - Chico Wang on 3/18/2004 4:22:24 AM

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I think you guys SHOULD take this board seriously and the feedback you guys get back from the fans here or do you also don't take that seriously?

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Edited by - Chico Wang on 3/18/2004 6:38:16 AM

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Ramsey, I don't take YOU nor any of YOUR opinions seriously.

That being said, Ramsey, you are my hero.

Edited by - Chico Wang on 3/18/2004 6:40:19 AM

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