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Escapade
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Posted - Oct 2 2020 : 2:15AM
I saw "Love You!" on a murky, washed out, out-of-print DVD. With a crisp, colorful Blu-Ray release, this film would serve as a shining example of how amazing and startling vintage adult movies can look.

"Love You!" is a stunningly beautiful picture that holds a special place in the history of classic adult films, and has interesting connections to mainstream movies. Actor turned photographer/director John Derek made one hardcore movie (who knew?) and "Love You!" is it.

Two couples decide to dabble in wife-swaping on a secluded beach. Annette Haven's character resists at first.

According to former Variety journalist Michael Walsh, Derek made the adult film to get his directorial techniques noticed by the mainstream studios. Although many consider his "Tarzan, the Ape Man" (1981) and "Bolero" (1984) to be colossal bombs, they are visually remarkable films shot in breathtakingly beautiful locations.

With this in mind, "Love You!" looks like a John Derek film. The warm glow of firelight illuminating beautiful faces foreshadows a scene in "Tarzan," only this time, it provides a flicking atmosphere for passionate lovemaking. A shimmering water effect that makes silhouetted bodies sparkle against the sea would also be repeated in "Tarzan." In "Bolero," Derek allows the dialogue from one scene to play out while, visually, the next scene has already begun. We see this editing technique used effectively in "Love You!"

Bodies silhouetted against the sun... explicit sexual acts silhouetted against the sun. Both tactile and emotional, "Love You!" was made "primarily for women,"as a "gift," according to Derek in articles by Walsh.

John Derek loved beauty and knew how to photograph it. Annette Haven, Eric Edwards, Lesllie Bovee, and Wade Nichols...The cast of "Love You!" is pretty. This cast is naked for most of the film. And it's never ugly or awkward naked, but glossy magazine beautiful naked.

Two nude men wresting in the firelight. Wade Nichols, a gay man, was more nervous to perform the scene than Eric Edwards, who told Nichols to just go for it. The two men gained respect for each other on the set.

Connections to other movies: The Hawaiian island the two couples visit was also "Skull Island" for Jessica Lange in "King Kong" (1976), and a character in "Love You!" calls the island "King Kong's playground." Annette Haven has an important cameo in the wild party scene of "10," a star-making movie for John Derek's wife Bo Derek, who, just months before was constantly on the set of "Love You!" as the producer of the film.

"Love You!" is amazing to look at, but home video has done it no favors. Extremely hard-to-find DVD versions look washed out, faded, destroying the gorgeous, subtle lighting effects and delicate nature of the night and sea photography. You already know what restoring a movie from it's original negative can do for a picture.

Haven's character is transported to a state of ecstasy in the film. Five years later, Bo's character would go to the very same place. When Bo finds it, we get the misspelled neon word "Extasy." When Annette finds it, we get implied double-penetration.

So...Director John Derek and producer Bo Derek made all-out porno in the 70s. Again, who knew? No, it's an adult film, and John had hoped it would cross-over into non-hard houses. John Derek had expected "Love You!" and movies that would follow to not only help pornography graduate into an art form, but to attract more mainstream directors. He clearly was not anticipating what cheap video productions and later, the internet, would do to adult entertainment.

But here we have it, "Love You!" This film points in a direction toward the sublime that adult films could have taken, as the surf roars outside an enchanted cave.

Edited by - escapade on Oct 2 2020

BlackSix All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Oct 3 2020 : 3:41AM
I was also impressed by the beauty and gentle tone and lovely performers, male and female, in this film.

I don't have access to my film collection right now but I remember my copy, possibily grey market, looked quite good.

mcewan All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Oct 3 2020 : 8:41AM
Love You (1979) would definitely be of interest to me, it was the only Adult Film Wade Nichols was cast in on the West Coast.

Edited by - mcewan on 10/3/2020 10:32:15 AM

Flash All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Oct 4 2020 : 10:48AM
My DVD was put out by Excalibur Films. It is mastered from a 3/4" but isn't in bad shape.
Escapade
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Posted - Oct 4 2020 : 2:25PM
BlackSix and Flash, my DVD of Love You! is from Gourmet Video. https://www.adultdvdtalk.com/movie/love-you-annette-haven
I'm not able to find any other version online. Do you have a link to the version you have, either of you?

I wouldn't say the Gourmet DVD is in bad shape, but John Derek shot the film with many dark scenes, bodies illuminated by firelight, and many shots of silhouettes against a glistening sea. A higher quality disc showcasing the subtle color effects could make the film look outstanding, and it could serve one of the prime examples of how beautiful vintage adult motion pictures can be.

Correct me if I am wrong, but a DVD sourced from 3/4" tape is going to look a little washed out and dull, as opposed to the crisp, vivid and subtle presentation John Derek desired, as witnessed in his better preserved films.

I appreciate that you both let me know you have this film on video.

 
Escapade
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Posted - Oct 4 2020 : 2:27PM
From what I've read, Wade Nichols enjoyed the experience of making this movie.
Flash All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Oct 4 2020 : 4:19PM
It looks like Excalibur Films has lost the right to reproduce theirs. Back in the early 80s (late 1970s?), Excalibur Films gained the right to produce their own copies of a lot of films from studios. When DVD came out, some of the rights continued. They still have a selection, but the real classics are greatly reduced now I see. Their 3/4" masters were made directly from the telecine. These masters were originally used for their VHS releases, then their DVD releases. They aren't as great as a 2K scan of the OCN that has been properly color corrected on a Blu-ray, but generally, the Excalibur 3/4" masters that I've seen have been in good shape. Every GVC release I've seen pales in comparison.
BlackSix All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Oct 6 2020 : 1:12AM
My copy is from Excalibur too.
Escapade
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Posted - Oct 6 2020 : 8:30AM
BlackSix and Flash: I only started collecting vintage adult films in March of this year. The Gourmet DVD was (and remains) the only version I can find anywhere. It sounds like it may be inferior to the Excalibur release.

Any idea on why so many classic adult films were sourced from a 3/4" master? Do you know whether this ever happened with DVDs of mainstream movies?

Edited by - escapade on 10/6/2020 8:34:42 AM

BlackSix All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Oct 7 2020 : 2:01AM
From what I've read mostly online most of the big companies of the 70s and 80s made their fortunes during the VHS boom and created the tape masters during that period.

When DVD came along most couldn't be bothered to use original film elements or strangely even didn't have them anymore.

I don't think most of the companies realized fans would even care about the print quality of the releases.

Flash All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Oct 7 2020 : 2:34PM
From what I've read, and been told, many of the companies releasing adult DVDs are questionably using old VHS contracts for DVDs. Many of the companies don't/never had the OCN of the films, they only got the 3/4" telecine transfers.

Since then, many OCNs have gone missing (which isn't just an issue in adult) and some have murky rights, which makes a legit release hard.

I also question how much money is made from all the restorative work. Vinegar Syndrome, who started out about 50/50 hardcore and non-hardcore releases far less hardcore releases a year than other releases now. I'm sure they are making a profit since they haven't cut them out completely, however, I suspect they make far more from the non-hardcore releases.




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