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Escapade
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Posted - Sep 30 2020 : 10:14PM
Before the Bo Derek vehicle BOLERO (1984) was released, papers widely publicized the fact that the MPAA had threatened to give it an 'X' rating for its nudity and sexual content. Cannon films, the distributor, was not a signatory to the ratings board. This technicality allowed the film into theaters without a rating. The suits at Cannon didn't want their major motion picture branded with an 'X,' because that meant fewer papers and radio stations would advertise it.

On the poster for BOLERO, where the rating would normally go, was a sentence that read: Due to the adult nature of this motion picture, no one under 17 will be admitted. The newspaper critics at the time agreed it wasn't pornography, but it was definitely "X' class material.

The videocassette of BOLERO that was released a few months later retained its unrated status.

When I saw BOLERO from that first VHS release, it sure looked like an "unrated" or 'X' film to me. Sure, it was softcore, but it had at least three scenes of simulated sex thrustings with fully nude performers. That kind of contact and those movements meant 'X' in every film that came out at that time. Today, BOLERO still looks like an "unrated" or 'NC-17' film.

Here's the mystery. In 1991, BOLERO was re-released on VHS. This time, the movie had an "R' rating. Same movie. No edits. Rated 'R." Your average, run-of-the-mill 'R' rating. No longer edgy. No longer daring and boundary-pushing. Just boring rated "R."

When I view BOLERO on Blu-Ray these days...it still looks like an 'X' film to me. I thought for a while the 'R' might be a mistake, but it persisted through at least one VHS release and then a DVD release in 2005. When SHOUT! Factory released it on Blu-Ray in 2016, they listed it as unrated.

I've just always been curious as to what happened. How did it ever get an 'R' rating?

I'm aware a definitive answer to this question will be hard to come by, as nobody here in the form likely worked for the ratings board in the early '90s. The ratings board is a mysterious group of parents.

Easier question: Anyone else here enjoy BOLERO?

Escapade
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Posted - Sep 30 2020 : 10:16PM
Many speculate that BOLERO (1984) got the terrible reputation it's always had, in part, because many people went to the theater expecting to see Bo Derek in hardcore sex scenes. This was thanks to the way the film was marketed, the well-publicized threat of an 'X' rating, and the intriguing solution of releasing it to mainstream theaters without a rating.

Theater employees were saying at some screenings, about a third of the audience would walk out during the first half of the movie, asking for a refund.

Critics didn't like it either.

I think BOLERO deserves to be re-evaluated... seen with a different set of expectations. It's actually a beautifully photographed, beautifully scored, and at times intentionally funny romantic movie. It's a film I revisit every few years, and last night I found it both funny and very sweet.

I've always liked Bo Derek, though, and I think John Derek was very skilled behind the camera.

If any of your saw BOLERO in the theater, I'd enjoy hearing about it... whether you liked it, were bored by it, walked out of it, laughed all the way through it... BOLERO in the theater stories never fail to entertain me.

T0MBOne
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Posted - Sep 30 2020 : 11:54PM
I didn't see Bolero (1984) in the movie theater. At some point, I saw parts of it on cable.

I did get the Playboy with Bo on the cover and a pictorial for Bolero shot by Derek. John Derek had also photographed Ursula Andress and Linda Evans for Playboy. Anyone else?

I knew to stay away from Bolero because my Dad and his best buddy had seen John Derek's Tarzan, the Ape Man (1981) and said it was really awful. The Leonard Maltin Guide's review says they debated about giving the film a rating worse than its lowest B0MB rating. That's pretty bad.

That same guide gives Bolero a B0MB. Looks like it might be something as simple as that there are not enough Bo fuck scenes lurking in that 104 minutes.

T0MBOne

BlackSix All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Oct 1 2020 : 2:20AM
I saw Bolero on late night cable as a kid/teen and remember mainly being bored but would be interested in revisiting it.

I think the R rating for the home video releases could have been negotiated with the MPAA an notoriously political and inconsistent organization.

Also compared to modern hardcore Bolero's softcore sex and the passage of time may have rendered it quaint.

Edited by - BlackSix on 10/1/2020 2:23:01 AM

aclayfan All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Oct 1 2020 : 1:05PM
I can barely remember Bo Derek's Tarzan movie, but still have more recollection of that one than Bolero. I definitely saw Bolero when it was released, apparently it didn't leave a mark. Do remember Bo Derek plugging movie & it's sex scenes on late night talk show. She usually came across as nice, but pretty vapid. John Derek directed a porno,I Love You I think was the title. Anyways, something like that. Porn actress said Bo was very interested in the sex scenes. Maybe she was a porn actress at heart. I can dream at least. As for the rating for Bolero or any other movie, the whole X, unrated, no rating thing has never been clear to anyone.
 
Flash All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Oct 1 2020 : 3:58PM
I honestly don't remember Bolero. However, in the 90s (1992?) the X-rating was retired and any film that held it became unrated. Bolero could have been submitted for a new rating and ended up with an R due to community standards at the time.
T0MBOne
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Posted - Oct 1 2020 : 8:33PM
In 1990, the MPAA created the NC-17 rating because of issues with Henry and June.

(Look fast for Brigitte Lahaie's cameo in that film)

Many films went released without that new rating because it usually was bad for box office receipts if you could not land an R rating.

tb

BlackSix All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Oct 2 2020 : 1:27AM
Love You is pretty good, better than Derek's non-xxx films actually.

Edited by - BlackSix on 10/3/2020 3:36:17 AM

Escapade
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Posted - Oct 2 2020 : 1:50AM
I actually saw Henry & June (1990) in the theater, because I wanted to see the first film to be released with the 'NC-17' rating. Movies such as Bolero (1984) and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre Part 2 (1986) paved the way for the 'NC-17' rating, because the movie companies did not want the 'X' these films had been given, and the film makers did not want to compromise their vision just to get an 'R.'

Even though Roger Ebert advocated for the new rating to be called 'A' for adult, 'NC-17' was instead what the MPAA decided on to give to movies that went beyond what we would see in an 'R' rated film.

'NC-17' did not really solve the "problem" that movie companies had. It's still common practice for a movie to be edited if it's given an 'NC-17," to the more advertising-friendly 'R' rating. Movie companies had hoped an 'A' rating or an 'NC-17' rating would allow for adult-fare to be released in mainstream theaters, but most 'NC-17' movies I have seen have been in independent movie houses and art movie houses.


Edited by - escapade on 10/2/2020 8:40:58 AM

Edited by - escapade on 10/10/2020 11:46:18 PM

Escapade
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Posted - Oct 2 2020 : 1:59AM
aclayfan and BlackSix - I recently saw "Love You!" (1979), just because it was directed by John Derek. I wrote down my thoughts immediately after seeing it. I guess now would be a good time to share them. I have just created a new post in this forum if anyone would like to read my opinion about this beautiful film.

Edited by - escapade on 10/2/2020 2:19:29 AM

Escapade
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Posted - Oct 2 2020 : 3:35AM
If you do revisit Bolero, watch with an open mind. Anyone back in the '80s watching the movie for the sex scenes would likely get very bored. The Dereks were telling a sweet story. It's plot has been compared to that of a romance novel. Audiences didn't want to see that, and the publicity had led people to believe that the movie would be quite different.

Calling the MPAA notoriously political and inconsistent is right on the money. If negotiations with them took place... I would have loved to have heard them. I will likely never know the precise reasons behind the later 'R' rating.

To return to "inconsistent".... yes. Even though Bolero looks quaint, movies that came out at the same time, as well as movies these days, still get an 'NC-17' for scenes that look very similar to those in Bolero.

It's kind of funny how offensive I find the later 'R' rating for Bolero. I guess it's because my parents allowed me to watch the VHS when it was still unrated, when I was younger than 17, and I was so pleased with them for trusting me to view the film in a mature manner.




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