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Joey Starr
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Posted - May 17 2006 : 6:16AM
In white and black too!

I want one.

Michael Saint
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Posted - May 17 2006 : 9:22AM
Sorry until they have a version of Photoshop that works properly on the new intel Macs I am sticking with my old power book G4. Heck if I can find a good price I am considering buying a Power PC G5.
Joey Starr
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Posted - May 17 2006 : 9:32AM
Maybe in 2007...

I don't use Photoshop myself.

K
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Posted - May 17 2006 : 12:09PM
The specs aren't too bad for the price, if they're sturdy and the keyboard and screen are good.

I'd certainly want to fiddle about with one in a store before buying another brand of laptop.

croy
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Posted - May 17 2006 : 9:24PM
Isn't there a version of the Gimp for Macs? I am curious, since you are a professinal, how the two packages compare.
 
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croy
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Posted - May 18 2006 : 1:02AM
Wow if black MacBooks are really that delicate, it makes the $150 premium you have to pay just to get the black over the white crazy.
Michael Saint
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Posted - May 18 2006 : 2:03AM
croy -

I have never used GIMP so I really can't comment. Though I have heard good things about it.

Photo manipulation is my weakest area. Which is why my shots are good but not great.

Flaking paint? Intel Chips. Is this the end of Apple?

Just kidding.

I don't think Adobe has said when the new version is coming out and after Apple released Apature I am not sure they are really in a hurry to accommodate them.

I need to find one of the new ones though. I want to see and try this new keyboard design that you either love or hate apparently.

croy
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Posted - May 18 2006 : 4:56AM
Gimp has on-line documentation and you can't beat the price, so it is easy to play around with.
Joey Starr
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Posted - May 18 2006 : 5:15AM
Joey Starr
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Posted - May 18 2006 : 6:22AM
When the first "all white" G3 iBooks were released, some people complained there were too prone to scratches, never had any problems with mine...
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Posted - May 18 2006 : 11:08AM
Adobe's CS3 is said to be intel ready and relased around January 07. Apature may not be ready for prime time yet, but Adobe's free beta of Lightroom is universal and impressive.

Don't get mw wrong the macbooks look awsome especially the black, but durabrite sucks, and it feels like a moron tax to charge a $150 extra for black.

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Posted - May 18 2006 : 11:57AM
It's been a while since I last used Photoshop, but I'd still rate it well above The Gimp.
Still, Gimp is easily my second choice, and at the price it's perfect for my infrequent use.
The black one also has an 80GB harddrive as standard instead of 60GB.
An expensive extra 20GB, but perhaps there are more differences? (Apart from the flaking paint feature.)
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Posted - May 18 2006 : 11:22PM
Nope they are exactly the same spec wise. There is actually a $200.00 difference between the standard config white 2GHz with the 60GB drive and the black 2GHz with the 80GB drive. You can build-to-order the white 2GHz with an 80GB hard drive for an extra $50. Now the black is a different material and has a matte finish, but is it really anywhere close to justifying another $150?
 
Michael Saint
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Posted - May 19 2006 : 2:28AM
Good to hear about CS3.

Been playing around with Lightshow on my G4 and while it looks good I am having issues with it. Mainly the fact in "loupe" view it can take upwards of 30 sec to a minute + to focus the image.

This could be the "beta" version or it could be that I am running it on a older lap top.

I was actually looking at investing in Aperture but found out that it was NOT meant to be run on anything but a desk top with a lot of power so no go for now.

jrv
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Posted - May 25 2006 : 4:29AM
I think GIMP is 8-bits per channel. That might not be enough for those who do a lot of processing. I think Photoshop is mostly 16-bit, though one should be careful of plugins and other tools if this is a problem.

I just discovered that Canon's DPP raw processor doesn't work on Intel Macs. I had hoped it would be just slow but instead it just hanged when I tried it. Capture One and RAW Developer both have raw processors for Intel Macs now but this may be an issue.

So far it looks good (17" MacBook Pro). I have had no heat problems. Next steps are to get a monitor color calibration solution (puck + Intel-compatible software) and a raw processor running. I don't really need to do any final processing work in the field; a raw processor will do until Adobe gets their Photoshop build problem straightened out. I use Capture One on a PC anyway so it will at least be familiar if I opt to spend the $$$ on it.

gia jordan
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Posted - May 26 2006 : 1:20AM
I almost bought one today, but how durable are they? My Sony Vaio's fallen off my bed often and never any problems. Also, are Modzilla plug-ins ok on the MacBook?
jrv
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Posted - May 26 2006 : 7:55AM
I don't see any reason for the 17" MacBook Pro to be any less durable than any other notebook of that size, but falling off a bed is an extreme event if the lid is open (i.e., nobody designs for that unless they're going to sell into the industrial, military or some other hardened-system market). The latch mechanism for the lid is concealed and I haven't looked at it.

Maybe put a couple of deep-shag throw rugs by the bed.

I haven't had any FF extension problems. PM me a list of the extensions you use and I'll check it out (using the MR Tech Local Install extension, Tools->My Config->Copy - Text (Clipboard) will do it).

Joey Starr
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Posted - May 30 2006 : 5:42AM
I think you guys all mean Aperture.

RandomPrecision
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Posted - Jun 2 2006 : 12:18AM
Hmmmm....

Now if you just didn't have to sell a kidney in order to buy one....

jrv
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Posted - Jun 20 2006 : 4:20PM
There is a product called Parallels Desktop for Mac that allows one to run any version of Microsoft Windows on an intel Macintosh at the same time you're running Mac OSX. It can appear as just another window on the Mac OSX desktop or full-screen. I've been playing with this for several days and haven't had anything I tried fail to work. Programs generally seem to run at full speed as Parallels claims.

Photoshop should work within the Parallels VM. I installed Photoshop 7 under Windows 2000 in a VM and it seems to work.

One unknown is monitor calibration but if you don't calibrate your monitor anyway this is a non-issue.

Anyone who needs to buy a computer now and needs Photoshop might consider Parallels as a way to use CS2 (Microsoft Windows version) until CS3 (Macintosh version) appears.

Note that you have to buy a copy of Microsoft Windows separately.

ChodeMasterJ
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Posted - Aug 5 2006 : 1:48AM
ok.... all the new Mac commercials that are out that say that you can run windows on a Mac. But if you run windows as the OS on a Mac, aren't you opening yourself up to all the problems that Microsoft programs and software have? Like Macs are supposed to be relatively more stable than PC's are, in regards to like crashing and stuff like that, so if you run a Windows OS, are you comprimising your Mac to problems that you'd have running a PC? Hopefully that made sense.
jrv
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Posted - Aug 5 2006 : 2:33AM
I haven't seen the Apple commercials. I don't watch much TV.

Apple has a way to boot Microsoft Windows on an Intel Mac. That does have security and reliability concerns.

The product from Parallels I'm referring to does something different. The Mac boots and runs Mac OSX as usual - they instead create a special window called a "virtual machine" (aka VM) and boot Microsoft Windows within the VM.

A VM is inherently very secure. Microsoft Windows may crash or become virus infested - but only within the VM universe. Crashes, viruses, malware, etc, cannot escape the VM. Spyware cannot see outside of the VM - in fact, the VM looks like a regular PC - the software doesn't realize it's just another window on a Mac.

In short you're right about Apple's solution but the Parallels solution doesn't have any of those problems.

ChodeMasterJ
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Posted - Aug 5 2006 : 7:07AM
so if you have Mac OSX running and you have the the VM open, does that slow your computer down drastically? If your Windows got infected in the VM, how would that not affect your machine since it's actually on your machine? Have you run that Parallel program? If so, how would you rate it, in regards to ease of use and whether or not it's worth it to go through with having to install a whole other OS? this is very interesting.....
 
croy
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Posted - Aug 5 2006 : 10:28PM
The virus would recognize the VM as a computer in itself and not know that there is any other place to execute.
The code would not be able to access the overall operating system. I would think that it would take a specially formulated virus anyways.
jrv
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Posted - Aug 9 2006 : 6:37AM
If the VM is furiously doing disk access or computation it will have the same impact on other Mac OS X programs as if any other Mac OS X were a hog. If the VM/Windows is doing nothing there is little impact.

If a virus infects the Windows in the VM it may trash what's in the VM but can't escape into Mac OS X. This security is very strong and uses features in the CPU hardware and doesn't depend on Mac OS X and certainly not Windows!

As to how that virus can't escape: the VM looks like an entire PC to the Windows running there. When you boot up the VM you can even see a BIOS POST running briefly! The point is that the VM is an entire "universe": the virus cannot see or affect anything beyond the VM - there simply is no way to reference such things.

I have a copy of the Parallels VM installed and it works as advertised. I plan to use it with photo software once I figure out color management and how to handle printing (I haven't looked into it at all, but with a USB printer it may be an issue as to whether the printer is "owned" by Mac OS X or is owned within the VM by Windows - with a TCP/IP printer this is not an issue).

It's worth it if there is some program you really need to run that is worth buying a copy of Microsoft Windows to install in the VM (Parallels doesn't come with Windows; you have to buy it yourself).

A good example might be someone who got funding now to buy a computer but like Lee has to have Photoshop. You can buy a Mac, install the VM, Windows and Photoshop for Windows, and then next year upgrade to Photoshop CS3 running natively on Mac OS X.

ChodeMasterJ
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Posted - Aug 9 2006 : 6:46AM
sweet. ok, thanks. that kinda clears up the fog about the VM and Parallels.
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