...Porn. I will like to preface this with I don't think any race is inherently more beautiful than another and I believe 80% (arbitrary number) of the world's population is 'eh' if not worse in the looks department, but I've notice that the average white and latina starlets are considerably more attractive than the average black starlet. You can find tons of girls that look just as hot if not hotter than the Megan Foxes and Jessica Albas of Hollywood, and are generally better looking than the civilian population. But black girls that rival the Gabrielle Unions, Megan Goods, Lauren Londons, Beyonces etc. etc are few and far between. Most of the time they have horribly tacky weaves and obvious contacts and just look a hot mess. I will say that cumbang and blackteengangbang have many many attractive stars compared to ghetto gaggers where 95% of talent look like they head butted a crackhead's genital warted asshole. It just seems that average white porn stars are 7 whereas black counterparts around 3-4. Just from my personal life experience, I find that most typical gorgeous black women that I knew had higher self esteem than normal, or maybe just some kind of attitude that would not lend itself to entering into the porn industry, they usually knew they had something better to offer.
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Posted - Dec 8 2008 : 4:44AM
I disagree somewhat. Jada Fire, Marie Luv, Lori Alexia, Ms Panther, Havanna Ginger, Candace Von, Sandi Jackmon, Stacey Lane, Sydnee Capri, Kapri Styles, Kitten, Hypnotiq, Monique, Cinnamon Love, Carmen Hayes, Lacey Duvalle, Beauty Dior are some fine black girls in porn. Sure that may be a small list as compared to the white girls in porn but that list is pretty well right. I also think that porn still puts the blonde girls upfront and is still a more Hot White Chick industry. I am one who wants to see more Black Girl/White Guy porn and it seems that most of the white dudes in these movies are quite the ugly guys. But most times these guys are paired up with some nice ebony chicks. If you look at blackteengangbang, some of the girls I mentioned are on that site. Also I think another reason is, black performers in porn tend to be more emphasized on the male performers and not as much on the female ones. The majority of IR movies are Black Guy/White Girl, Black Guy/Asian Girl, Black Guy/Latin Girl. And I am guessing that there are not many black women who enter porn as compared to white women. Is like there are not many newer male performers out there. You see the same guys banging tons of different chicks. Edited by - JennaRulez2006 on 12/8/2008 4:46:33 AM
I agree with Wickedlove, I'm not seeing any super-hot black teens in any of the top teen titles. Like Where's the black equivalent to Lexi Belle(?), there isn't one! I think he must have a point, young black girls are not entering porn in anything like the numbers white girls do. I for one would like to see some very hot black teens in titles like Fresh Outta Highschool. In the mean time get yourself a Lingerie Catalogue and checkout Noemie Lenoir
That makes a lot of sense. Let's say you are guaranteed that 10% of newcomers from any group are going to be super hot, but if the industry is getting 1000 white girls compared to 100 black girls that means for every 1 super hot black girl you have 10 super hot white girls and I guess perception can be skewed even though percentage wise they're the same. Obviously I'm just throwing out random ass numbers.
Believe it or not there is still racism in the industry... and black women are often the lowest in the hierarchy of porn. Other than Heather Hunter I cannot think of one other black contract star. I cannot remember when or if, a black female performer has ever won a major AVN award. You rarely see black performers crossing over to mainstream projects as well. If there was a "black Jenna" or a "black Tera" for black women to look to as an example of what can be achieved in the industry, yes I think you would see better looking black women. Until then, I doubt it. Michael www.AdultBizLaw.com Edited by - pornlaw on 12/8/2008 10:18:23 AM
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Posted - Dec 8 2008 : 11:29AM
Good point. I don't work in the industry, but from looking at the different series' that come out or IR porn, seems you either get an All Black Girl movie, All Black movie (b/g), tons of Black Guy/White Girl IR. Sad if there is racism in the industry. I mean wow. You would think that today we could all get passed this? I still think the Black Girl/White Guy is an untapped market. There are tons of white guys out there like me who think Black Women are hot. When I have looked for IR moves like this, the titles always catch my eye. Her First White Dick is a good one. But it would even be better if the studios that do release this IR porn would make it that maybe a few of these Ebony Hotties are "looking" to get some "white dick" I think Black Market and Black Ice would be the perfect studios to branch out on this. They do All Black movies, so change it up and have say Pinky and Cherokee fuckin the shit out of some white guys with thier big asses. I would buy that title for sure. I know some of these girls do internet porn but I am more for buying the movie not d/l or watching it streamed on the net. One thing is, when I met the Black Girl pornstars in Vegas at the AEE back in January, they were all fun to meet. And even though I was probably one of few white guys to venture to Black Market and Rhymes & Dymes booths, I had laughs there and the black guys who were fans had a laugh when I said "It is all about the chocolate..chocolate girls rock"
Funniest sentence I've read in a while! Racism? In porn? Get outta here! An industry with titles like "My Daughter's Fucking a Nigga" has racism in it? No! But seriously, of course there's a ton of racism in porn. It's about the only thing you can count on. When the most popular (and perhaps the only) site featuring black girls that's discussed at ADT is ghettogaggers.com, it's pretty fucking clear that black women are relegated to the bottom of the shit heap in the porn world.
as a lover of black porn performers, I'm going to go the opposite direction and say Wickedlove, perhaps you're just a little bit prejudiced against the "look" of most black women? I notice that all the black superstars you listed all have "white" prettiness. Maybe you don't like black women who "look black". Maybe you don't like latinas who look latina. Beauty is an opinion, yet you speak of your opinion of beauty as if it were fact. As if it were a fact that the average black porn star rates at "3-4" compared to the white "7". You just don't like the way most black chicks look. But I think it's a separate issue to ask about the number of black American women who get into porn. I think there may be a bit of lag there because of the general religiousness of the black community. A bigger percentage of black Americans are heavily Christian than the white American population, so maybe a lower percentage of porn performers are Black. Kinda like it's hard to find new porn stars from certain religious or immigrant populations (Muslims or South Asians), certain cultural factors may lessen a culture's presence in the American porn industry. This sounds like it would be a good thread for someone like Mike South to get it on. Someone on the front line who can give us a better answer on the racial breakdown of the pool of new entrants into the porn industry.
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Posted - Dec 8 2008 : 1:46PM
I am curious to know what an 'Above average Black Woman' is. Attractiveness is subjective. Everyone has different taste. I think Monique, Marie Luv and Jada Fire are the hottest Black Chicks let alone 3 of THE hottest women in porn overall. Others would disagree and say Carmen Luvana is the hottest, or Stoya. The three I mentioned along with: Lori Alexia Kapri Styles Sydnee Capri Kitten Lacey Duvalle Nyomi Banxxx Melrose Foxxx They are 10 of the Hottest and Sexist women in porn...not just the Hottest 10 Black Girls in porn.
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Posted - Dec 8 2008 : 1:47PM
Ever notice that on most of these IR internet sites that have white guys fuckin black women, the black women are more degraded than anything else? What the hell is that all about? ghettogaggers is disgusting in my eyes, it is more a site that humiliates the chicks. But different strokes for different folks. Where are the sites or movies where the black girls take control in the scenes? Edited by - JennaRulez2006 on 12/8/2008 2:50:46 PM
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+1 This disposition is widely common especially in black women, which is what I think accounts for black women, in general, being much less likey to consider entering porn than white women. I look at it as being a cultural thing.We (those of us who are not blind) believe it. It's as obvious as the sky is blue.
Gabriella Cuntez, besides Beyonce none of the women I listed have "white" prettiness as you put it. I love all types of black women from Lauren Hill (before she went crazy) and Jessica White and Kelly Rowland to K.D. Aubert and Rihanna. The various complexions and features you can find in black women is sexy to me, unfortunately most black porn stars seem to be scraping the bottom of barrel. And not liking black women who look black, what is "black" I've known black siblings with the same parents that have entirely different looks, it seems it is YOU who are implying there is only one true definition of what "black" looks like, speaks volumes of you than me. I've read a studies that prove people of African descent are the most genetically diverse on the planet. And I didn't say there aren't any attractive black starlets, the ones listed are all hot I want to add Candice Love (fucking love her), Nina Devon, Baby Cakes and Jenny Stone and a few others, but most aren't doing it to me. And honestly anyone who think my "rating system" as fact is dumb, of course it's subjective and entirely my opinion.
Actually Wicked Love, what I believe she meant by "looking white," is that all of the women you mentioned, regardless of skin tone," have very European/ Caucasian features. Its quite common for people to associate European facial features and straight hair in Black women as a figment of beauty as opposed to a more Afrocentric look and features. I think you may need to step up the type of material you are viewing. Were you aware that Lacey Duvalle was the only Black porn star featured in Playboy Magazine? They did an issue that features (i believe,) the top 13 porn stars... and Lacey was the only Black star featured. (Lacey was originally going to be a March Playmate when she first started, but her management at the time tried to pull one over on Playboy and not tell them she was doing porn. Once they found out, they canceled her layout.) There are some GORGEOUS Black women that are in the porn business - you just need to seek outside whatever titles you normally view. Whether you like darker or lighter complexions, straight or curly hair, tall, short, curvy or thin... Women like Jada Fire, Marie Love, Misty Stone, Lacey Duvalle.. women that are no longer in the business like Kiwi (Belizian,) or Caramel (who was actually a dark Panamanian,) or newcomers like Monica Foster... there are some absolutely lovely Black women in porn. I think Gabriella is on the money... I think your standard of beauty is off. I don't see very many "3s," in porn at all... those usually don't get very far in this business. Perhaps you may want to reconsider what you consider being beautiful.
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Posted - Dec 8 2008 : 5:55PM
Wow, everyone here makes very good points, especially, Gabriella Cuntez and Love. When I look at black women, regardless of skin tone, dark or light. Chicks, like Lacey Duvalle, Kapri Styles, Kiwi and others who have that less African Features that have a "white" prettiness, is true, on why they are so popular them most black females, who have more physical African features. Maybe it's that digital divide, that most black females don't have access to the internet to apply for the adult film webistes as though white, asian and latino females. I don't know, really what the deal is, just guessing. Maybe, the adult film industry, need to go to black neighborhood and recruit, some attractive black females. I see a lot of them all over my state, where I live and let me tell you there are some, that for sure would make the top list in this industry, further then some white females for sure., if they had a chance. I tried, to recruit some through Craigslist.com. You'll be, surprise how many attractive black females are listed for services. Edited by - Chi - Bear 85 on 12/8/2008 5:57:40 PM
The current discussion borderlines a red herring, but I'll go with it. I think some of your definitions of who looks "black" is actually narrower than my definition of beauty. My defintion of beauty is the SYMMETRY of the features not the TYPE of features. What is "afrocentric?" when the "black" race is the most diverse of races in terms of skin tone, hair texture, height, and facial features. I get the feeling many of you think anything that deviates from wooly/kinky hair,broad noses and thick lips is not really black. There are blacks in South East Asia with silky straight hair, or the Dravidians black ethnic group of India with very refined features. The diversity in continental Africa is astounding: West Africans (Liberia, Ghana, Nigeria) typically have craniofacial builds much different than East Africans(Somalia, Ethiopia). Even within the same country, ethnic groups like the Zulus, Maasai, and Pygmies (just a few of thousands) can look wildly different, what about the people of Melanesia that typically are very very dark skinned and wide featured, yet have a very high percentage of natural blonds? There are indigenous black people in Oceania, South Asia, Australia with varying degrees of phenotypes. In context, to refer to someones "Blackness", or lack thereof based on a narrow stereotyped appearance, is nothing less than insulting and ignorant. I'm 100% European of Italian/French heritage with dark hair/eyes, kinda broad features and a tanned complexion, does that mean I'm less white than the stereotypical type of Nordic countries? So back on topic, I'm admittedly not a hardcore/addict porn watcher, I actually found this board from a mainstream site but imo a lot of the black starlets are subpar which is disappointing because to me there's nothing like a hot black woman.
One thing that seems to have only been glossed over is the fact that there are simply less black people in America than whites. Blacks make up some odd 13% of the population. I forget what whites are but I know it's still over 50% so we'll say there are three whites for every black in this nation (which is probably a conservative guess.) So there are less of them period and that will obviously reduce the number of "attractive" ones. I personally find that the opposite to be true. If I had to personally rate my preferences based on experience I wouldn't have black chicks at the top but pretty much every black porn star is hot as fuck. (Though I'm no fan of Pinky) that said there are plenty of average or below average blondes and Asians. And honestly I think Audrey Hollander is the only redhead in porn I can even think of. Kapri Styles, Sinnamon Love and Monica Foster are the closest thing to proof of a Divine I've ever seen.
I don't think it purely comes down to the black diaspora's deep roots in church, although this comes to bear on what I'm about to mention… A couple of years ago, someone on ADT, methinks a porn professional, said that black women are often unwilling to do a lot of the stuff you see a white girl, or asian girl or latina or whatever, do all the time on set. The phrase I believe the pro used to demonstrate a typical black female performer's reluctance was "I don"t get down like that." what any woman "gets down" to in porno is explosive in American culture: not as in "it makes my cock explode," but in terms of what a performer's family and peers will think of the woman should they find out that, say, she's done double anal etc. It seems to me that that stigma would be exponentially massive for a black woman. Often times, w/r/t the election, it was said that a black person must be twice as good as a white person in most endeavors. when society at large looks down on explicit sexuality, a black woman will be judged with much, much more severity, since ancient biases regarding black folks are still very very prevalent. So i understand why, if true, that black women would be rare in porn: they have to fight for their dignity probly more than, say, the Briana Loves or Carmella Bings. I refuse to watch stuff called "ghettogaggers," but my guess is that that series would show what the producers of that series think—or know!— what white and I guess black and all variety of male raincoaters think of black women. As a teenager, i remember seeing a still in Hustler of a Dark Bros film—was it "lemme tell you about Black chicks?— where a black woman is DPed by guys in klan hoods. Now that I think of it, wasn't Jeannie Pepper considered to be the doyenne of black female performers in the late 80s?
Other than the obvious percentage of black women being far less that white women in the population you have to take into account the point that Veronica makes here. Although everyone can name exceptions to the rule, generally black women just aren't as adventurous sexually as most white women are. I'd imagine that many black women would see doing porn as a wild thing they'd never do as apposed to the same number of white women. I suspect that cuts down the number of black women even trying to get into porn considerably. Also, another aspect to consider is that from what I've seen mre black women are more comfortable with their looks as apposed to white women. What this means is while white women spend more time worrying about their looks they typically do more to imporove their looks doing everything from dieting and exercising to surgeries and whatever's available. Lots of black women on the other hand (not all) seem pretty comfortable with their looks and don't make that much effort to change. They generally don't care if they carry around a few extra pounds. They don't think about nose jobs. Breast implants are less common with black women. Far less plastic surgeries. Less effort is devoted to primping. All that isn't a putdown towards black women. Many of them are just more comfortable with themselves and don't obssess on their looks. Perhaps the biggest difference between most of the black girls being named here as goodlooking and the girls who aren't seen as such is the level of effort they put into looking good. Plus the fact that so many of the smaller companies that feature black women don't seem to know how to make women up. I've seen some companies who look like they don't even bother with making up their black talent or doing it horribly. Edited by - draxxx on 12/8/2008 8:51:15 PM
What do you mean by dark Panamanian? Dark Panamanians are all black, Caramel is just as black as you. A large segment of Panama's population is black and many of them consider themselves strictly as black. I'm not meaning to rant but I can't stand when people talk of black Hispanics as dark or refer to them as though they are not black. There are millions of them out there, just because someone speaks Spanish doesn't mean they're not black.
They say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I'd say even more so when talking about black women in general. I'd love to know some ideals, preferrably non-porn, of below average looking black women. I gotta feeling I'd seriously disagree with most who get listed. Just seems black women, in general, are somehow judged by a different standard then most I think. I mean are Beyonce or Halle Berry the only standards to judge by? How about any black woman who has the nerve to be larger then a size 4? I've been involved in many discussions about racism in the adult industry. IMO though, no more is it more prevalent then with black women. I think there are a whole lot of beautiful, hot, and very sexual black women in the adult industry. Just seems I have to look extra hard not to find them outside of black-themed porn. It's a problem a run across often when trying to find some hot black chick in something outside that seeming normal. Gets frustating when I have to watch one fuck the same 4-5 black guys all the damn time. In my mind, the women are there. Now just how often they want to work or get fucked, I'm not sure of, but I do think there are more then plenty currently in the business.
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Posted - Dec 9 2008 : 8:16PM
I agree. And this is why I am glad to live in Canada where we are very much Multicultural. I mean yes racism is alive everywhere, but in my experiences, it is still a part of American Culture as it is a part of American History. Sad though that today there are still these bigots and assholes who are racist. In porn I think there are alot of hot female performers and being a guy who dates black women, I have to search for good quality black girl/white guy porn. I would say alot of it is garbage. But some I have come across that are hot and scenes that are worth watching over and over again. I can't figure out why Vivid for example will do a Blackmaled series yet not go with one geared towards IR the other way around. Yet they do not have any black contract girls. In fact do any of the big name studios? When I see Kapri Styles getting it from Mr Pete, it is worth watching again and again. Or watching Monique drain a group of white dudes and she looks like she wants more. I think the only site that worth it to maybe join, I have yet to though, is Round and Brown. Ghettogaggers, Blackteengangbang are just crap and more humliating the girls. The one that seems funny is Cumbang, a Sista catching her man fuckin a white chick so she goes and gets ganged by some white guys. Only thing is, why have a Confederate Flag on a shirt they are supposed to wear after they get banged? I mean again racism right there. That for me is the turn off and I would not waste a dime on a membership. The storyline to the episodes is funny but I am guessing they are to be rednecks she bangs? Why?
You got a big bunch of ugly white trolls ain't gonna sell > attractiveness while it is subjecive is contrary attractiveness tends to be objective alzo.
Ideals wise its simple > its basic, gotta be young, cute face with nice fulls lips, and a shapely figure > nice legs and nice ass > nice breasts it don't matter what the race is really. You gotta look above average if ya wan't a lotta work but ehh this is not a race thing really its a matter of universal sensibility and peeps regardless of whatever come in grades ya?? Yeah you got your belows and mediums and exceptionals. If ya have evidenced a problem with something with a theme based genre then yeah its one sided cra[p its genre oriented > this is why I alluded that the industry is organized a few shades too much, its a matter of catering to a perceived genre. Here in Atlanta its stripper oriented lots of babes although either way its more than that people have lives other than this shit, the thought of being part of some narrowly defined community is creepy. I think beauty is subjective but when it comes to the marketing industry its about as much idealization as you could possibly attain > uhh its a matter of universal sensibility. If you would like to see pretty faces you can try smooth girl magazine but its only good for teens in their 14s and 15s or something, I thought it was a porn mag but it was just a thong layout and they do have a lot of issues so I was like damn! you just don't see stuff like this all the time > and hey I sympathze huh?? one of these girls with a dirty old redneck would be refreshing ;-) cos its commercially oriented its thematically based and so hheh monotonic sentiment.
It is not that there is a shortage of beautiful black women. If you've never given yourself the real treat of watching black on black porn, than the chances are excellent that you won't see them. That is the niche the industry for the most part, has restricted black women too. The industry has an old fashioned notion about the role of blacks. Vivid has had one black contract girl in its history, and that is a reflection of the porn industry as a whole.
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Posted - Dec 9 2008 : 10:55PM
True. I have one IR movie called Race relations and the white guys are ugly fucks. The girls are attractive but I would prefer to see some of the more established white guys banging these Ebony beauties than some ugly fuckers. Put Roxy Reynolds, Jada Fire, Marie Luv, Kapri Styles and Sydnee Capri with say Evan Stone, Manuel Ferrara who fucks the shit out of some Black babes in Feeling Black, Michael Stefano who also fucks the shit out of some in Feeling Black, Mr Pete who gets riden good by Kitten in Do It Right White Boy and Marco Banderas all in an IR movie together and those scenes would be hot for sure. In Cum Guzzlers 3, the scene with Marie Luv and Jada Fire getting teamed by Manuel Ferrara, Michael Stefano and Steve Holmes is the best scene and is definitely stroking material. Those 2 girls are hot and above average black women for sure.
I noticed that it's usually the same few black girls in the more popular titles. They look good, but they been in the game for years. Unfortunately, the new black girls are not that great and probably won't last long.
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Posted - Dec 9 2008 : 11:40PM
I think if a girl like Kapri Styles, Sinnamon Love, Jada Fire, Marie Luv, Roxy Reynolds or Angel Eyes were other than black they would be much bigger. I know they'd never say that themselves, so I'll say it for them. Edited by - BlackSix on 12/9/2008 11:45:47 PM
no no you don't understand my point you won't have much in the way of an industry if the girls weren't pretty, my point. My kink would be something like a pretty girl have sex with a guy that's got a confederate tatoo or something lol removes the monotony as the other the guy was complaining about.
+1. My observations are that within most black families there's close family ties, and the desire for "family approval." Also, I see non-family "group support" very prevalent on college campuses among black women (and men). All of which discourages most young black women from entering an industry that is not "accepted" within their community of family and friends.
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We don't think that. We're saying that *you* think *your* above description is a "3/4". We know that the diaspora is diverse. We're just noting that all the women you initially listed all look like each other, and they all have features similar to the caucasoid region of the Black spectrum. So don't turn it around. I know that every shade and shape of black person is considered "black" by the White world. I posit that the parts of that diaspora that are farther from Caucasian are considered, by you, to be "3/4". Because all the women on *your* list of hotties have similar Caucasoid features and look more like Halle than Whoopi. It is *your* list of examples of black beauty that is being scrutinized. Heck, even after looking up the women you listed multiple times, I still can't tell who is who except Gabrielle Union cuz she's the most famous of them."refined." You don't even realize the judgementalism and ranking in the words you use around race. Take the shame, mate. Edited by - Gabriella Cuntez on 12/11/2008 12:58:38 AM
Simply because she has dark skin, and is apart of the greater African diaspora doesn't negate her country of birth and origin. She is Panamanian. And no, not all Panamanian's are dark. That's like saying that Scarlett Johannsen (sp?) is any less African-American than I am... simply because she isn't "Black." The reality? She is a South African, nationalized as an American citizen. Which makes her, like many others... an African-American. Skin color aside, let's not negate where the woman is from! Panama is where...? Latin America? That would make her what...? Latina. She may have "Black" or dark skin, but she truly is of Latin decent. I brought her up, just as I would correct people that try to claim Ice La Fox, another Latina, is Black. She's simply not. Mariah Milano was also mis-categorized her first go round in the business due to her curvy ass, tan skin and appearance in Black/ Ethnic porn. Lana Sands, of Thai and Irish decent was another... she was categorized as Black, Latin, Asian and White in videos during the 90s. Just because you are caught up on color... doesn't make someone any less what they are. Especially if they CLAIM their heritage. Myself? I happen to identify as a Black Woman, but that doesn't negate that my paternal grandfather was a nationalized German-American, my grandmother Native American and African, and my maternal grandparents were Carnies. I identify as what I feel most comfortable... but I don't forget my heritage. BTW, I googled "light skinned panamanians photos" and came up with these images: http://www.google.com/search?q=light+skinned+panamanians+photos&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a in case you are doubting my word that there are those of lighter complexion in Panama. :) You're welcome for the education. While we're at it... Obama referred to himself in a news conference as a "Mutt." Not African-American, Not Black, Not Bi-Racial. A "Mutt." Now that is identification and racial acknowledgement like a motherfucker. Edited by - SinnamonLove on 12/11/2008 4:06:52 AM
Vivid signed [ invalid url ] once it was official) back in '02, the same time they acquired Savannah Samson. She only appeared in 8 movies released in '03 (probably the extent of her contractual obligation). She had been signed to Elegant Angel prior to this. I reviewed her first Vivid feature, Watch Me, back before I found ADT. She was another very light-skinned black girl, non-voluptuous figure with very typically caucasian features. Video Team, when they were in existence, also signed more than a few black women to contracts: Lacey Duvalle, Ayana Angel, Jada Fire, Midori and India.Personally, I hate when bi-racial people refer to themselves as "mutts." As if they are animals or somehow a lower form of humanity than the rest of us, like a dog that doesn't have pure bloodlines. I can't stand it and I never could, even before I had two bi-racial children of my own. Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 12/11/2008 10:11:42 AM
But you do know that mutts are supposedly smarter than pure bred dogs though, right? :) I understand the disdain for the term... just bringing up a point. :)
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Posted - Dec 11 2008 : 7:26AM
I have to admit that when Marie Luv first hit the scene, I thought for sure she would win Best New Performer or Performer of the Year. But I don't think she was nominated for either. I'm kind of surprised she doesn't get more love from the fans and press. She really torches up a scene. I don't know about other porn fans, but I love a porn girl who fucks like she means it. Marie Luv works up a sweat when she is fucking. I love that. Seems more natural to me. She looks spent at the end of her scenes. I don't see too many porn stars bring it as hard as Marie Luv. Her not getting any award love from the porn industry is definitely a sign of racism to me. Because when it comes to scorching performances, she destroys many of the performers I see getting these awards. On top of that she is hot as hell. I didn't even think she would make the move to hardcore when I first saw her on the scene. I figured Marie Luv was going to be another one of those hot black girls that doesn't do hardcore like Lacy Duvalle. But she definitely made me happy by going as hardcore as I like. There are quite a few hot black girls out there that come and go. But black girls in general don't seem as willing to do the hardcore sex as white girl. We've had more in this generation of porn stars than any I can remember, but still not as many as white girls. When I was growing up you maybe saw Jeanie Pepper and Sahara going real hardcore. Now you have quite a few hot black girls getting downright nasty. It makes me happy. So though there may not be as many as the white girls (and let's face facts here the hot ass East European girls skew the white girl porn in their favor), there are alot of hot black women getting freaky. I'm still holding out hope that Lacy Duvalle does anal sex. I am hoping Jules Jordan will do one of his exclusive anal scenes like he did with Jeannie Rivers. I'd be happy enough with a one off anal scene from Lacy with Jules. I'm sure he would do it proper. Edited by - A-ten on 12/11/2008 7:32:19 AM Edited by - A-ten on 12/11/2008 7:35:14 AM
I'm not sure what you're saying because Latin is not a race and there are millions of black Latinos, and at the same time millions of white Latinos. Sammy Sosa, David Ortiz,Pele all come from Latin American countries but they are still Black. In every Latino country except Mexico they fill out a census like we do and there are categories such as Black, White, etc. Caramel is Latina but she's still Black anyway. I never said all Panamanians are "dark" but dark Panamanians are black. And I'm not African-American by the way but I'm a Cuban/Haitian/Dominican but I'm still black despite Latin descent. You could say that makes me a Black Latino but the important thing is I am still Black. Btw I've lived around Panamanians all my life in NY and studied about their culture for years because I've always been fascinated with race relations in Latin America. Panama has a lot of people descended from Jamaica who were brought to work on the Panama Canal and to this day some of their descendants do not speak Spanish. And all the Black Panamanians I've lived around if you asked them what race they were they would tell you Black. Here's an article about Blackness and Panama. http://www.marviaspanamajournal.com/263/black-panamanians-celebrate-black-ethnic-month-may-2008/ Edited by - Kid_rick on 12/11/2008 8:47:52 AM
Besides Beyonce, I don't think any of the women in my original post are on the white looking side at all. But if you think Megan and Lauren are interchangeable white looking girls, well I can't argue with that. So because I listed those particular girls that means those are the only types of black women I think are super hot, EVER. They were the ones I see most often and I just figured they were more recognizable over say a Kenya Moore or Oluchi or T'keyah Crystal Keymah. And writing that I realize if Hollywood promoted women who look like the latter more, they would be the first ones to spring to mind, but I'm not about to type out 30 fucking names just to appease you. And duh, Halle is HOT, Whoopie is ugly. Really bad example, that's like trying to rag on a guy for liking girls that look more like Monica Belluci than Janet Reno. Seriously, what's up with that comparison? My 3-4 was because I think most of the cream of the crop are going for mainstream jobs, so for every Jada Fire, Ariel Alexus, Marie Luv or India, there are a shitload of low budget "Pookie" looking women. You know it's messed up whenever a white guy hears the word "tracks", he automatically looks at someone's head. When used to describe facial features "refined" means chiseled,sharp. Besides everyone knows people with unrefined, rounded features like that Kimberly Elise or Cassie or Elisha Cuthbert are ugly.[/sarcasm] Also I don't recognize the "judgementalism" because it is not a real word, as in one recognized by a major dictionary, but thanks for trying.
Edited by - WickedLove on 12/11/2008 8:40:12 AM Edited by - WickedLove on 12/11/2008 9:29:30 AM
Marie Luv is one of my favorite porn starlets, for pretty much the same reasons you mentioned. I'm shocked that she hasn't recieved some significant industry awards.
Marie Luv I remember her I'll check her out some more she's one of those ditzy airheaded plugged in types that is ready to go > I think you wont find any original passivity in her.
Doesn't sound like the Marie I've heard speak or seen on film. I'd like to think it's possible for a female performer to be bright and like to fuck at the same time. Not that I don't like bubbly performers though, because I most certainly do. Enthusiasm gets high marks and repeat views from me always.
If your trying to say she should be more known and recognized, you won't get any argument from me. Don't know that she necessarily wants it or is chasing it, but with others similar, it seems to happen naturally. No doubt in my mind she should be starring in more film and doing things on a bigger scale. I thought Ayana Angel would be bigger within the industry years ago too though.
Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 12/11/2008 10:11:42 AM