Russian/Ukrainian female Stars More Submissive?

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Death Squad Deactivated User 43 Posts 9/12	Posted - Sep 7 2012 : 9:06AM the reason i ask is because as a viewer of "hardcore anal" porn i notice much more often that russian/ukrainian chicks do nastier more submissive things. e.g. they ususally take BIGGER DICKS up the ass than american chicks and also it's way more common to see the guy go straight to the ass and skip the pussy (you almost never see this in american porn). they even do scenes where it's all anal and no "vaginal" sex which is very hot IMO, and also i notice more rough anal too. so i'm wondering what it is about these eastern european countries specifically russia and ukraine that makes these girls so nasty/submissive sexually? is there more misogyny in russia, or are the women just more open-minded and sexual/submissive, or is there some other reason? Edited by - Death Squad on Sep 7 2012 Title slight altered to fit the forum Topic Moved by - Jonny Jay on Sep 7 2012 [Link]
Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07	Posted - Sep 8 2012 : 12:43AM ^ Sex normally works best with the man on top. Because the man is built for fucking in terms of leverage and endurance, while the woman is built for spreading her legs. This is just normal human nature. And liking anal sex has nothing to do with submissiveness. It just feels different, and perhaps some people it enjoy it more than others do. [Link]
Lone Wolf Senior Member LANA means ANAL :) 9658 Posts 4/11	Posted - Sep 8 2012 : 2:53AM Just don't ask yourself too many questions and enjoy the eastern girls doing anal. [Link]
Death Squad Deactivated User 43 Posts 9/12	Posted - Sep 8 2012 : 5:13PM dan and lone wolf your completely missing my point: there is a noticeable difference in the nastiness/submissiveness level when it comes to russian/eastern european girls compared to american/british girls especially relating to anal sex. what i'm asking about is why do people think that is? why is there the difference? i'm surprised nobody else has asked this before since if you watch alot of anal porn (like i do : ) you can tell there is a definite difference . Edited by - Death Squad on 9/8/2012 5:17:03 PM [Link]
nietzsche Deactivated User 5470 Posts 8/03	Posted - Sep 8 2012 : 11:58PM Death Squad wrote: dan and lone wolf your completely missing my point: there is a noticeable difference in the nastiness/submissiveness level when it comes to russian/eastern european girls compared to american/british girls especially relating to anal sex. what i'm asking about is why do people think that is? why is there the difference? i'm surprised nobody else has asked this before since if you watch alot of anal porn (like i do : ) you can tell there is a definite difference Click to expand I believe you are right. I think it's because Eastern European girls are more mercenary than their American counterparts. This of course answers nothing, because it raises the question as to why they are more mercenary. I wold like to read more input from others. [Link]

Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Sep 9 2012 : 1:43AM The men are misogynistic pigs and the women are desperate. Happy masturbating. [Link]
Death Squad Deactivated User 43 Posts 9/12	Posted - Sep 9 2012 : 2:41AM ^^ huh? are you being sarcastic or serious? [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Sep 9 2012 : 2:43AM nietzsche wrote: This of course answers nothing, because it raises the question as to why they are more mercenary. Click to expand They are very poor. As Harri said, happy masturbating! [Link]
Death Squad Deactivated User 43 Posts 9/12	Posted - Sep 9 2012 : 4:47AM ^^ is it really that simple though - just a monetary issue? i'm thinking there's something else as to why they take bigger dicks in the ass and do more hardcore anal stuff besides just cold hard cash. any other opinions? Edited by - Death Squad on 9/9/2012 4:49:58 AM [Link]
Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07	Posted - Sep 9 2012 : 7:54AM ^ I think European porn stars are better at having anal sex with guys, because their guys in Europe are uncircumcised. That loose skin around the uncircumcised cock reduces friction for the lady a lot. Which allows her to take a harder, faster, and deeper anal ride from her guy. That's why you don't see much difference between European and American porn stars in terms of anal sex, when they both take on someone like Manuel Ferrara, who is uncircumcised. Big Wet Asses 21 is a good example of how good American porn stars can be at having anal sex, when they take on an uncircumcised guy. I found a recent study about how male circumcision affects the quality of sex life for both sexes. This study reports a decrease of sexual satisfaction for many men and women, when the men are circumcised. This study doesn't differentiate between vaginal and anal sex. But it's reasonable to think that male circumcision affects anal sex more in a negative way, because a woman's rectum is more delicate than her vagina. The rectum is less able to handle the increased friction of a circumcised cock. [Link]
abdar nitangae Member 108 Posts 5/12	Posted - Sep 9 2012 : 8:30AM Cold hard cash. Why else would a woman take a cock up her ass on camera? [Link]
Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07	Posted - Sep 9 2012 : 8:36AM Cash is certainly a reason, but it doesn't have to be the only reason. Many women for example enjoy showing themselves off in front of other people in a sexual kind of way. That's why women's dresses and blouses often show more of the woman's chest than male clothing does. This is a mild kind of showing off, and doing hard porn is the maximum showing off a woman can do. But it's just a difference in the amount and not in kind. Some women want to show off more than other women do. And good sex is pleasurable in itself. Which is another reason why some porn stars chose their sexual careers. [Link]
abdar nitangae Member 108 Posts 5/12	Posted - Sep 9 2012 : 12:45PM You think thosr Russian girls would do anal on camera for free? Cold.Hard.Cash. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Sep 9 2012 : 12:56PM ^ Of course they do, it is their job and they are supposed to be paid for doing it. Would you work a week or even just a day for free out of generosity? as for the topic Although Easter Europeans girls floaded the market and the European Industry , I have to say that in Europe anal sex is not an issue , very few pornstars don't do it, and that includes the westerners , Rocco at first worked with British and French pornstars and they got a lot of hard anal sex just like the Eastern babes he also pretty much destryed some American stars (Tori Black to name one) and the same does Nacho and did Omar Galanti when he was working with Rocco, many of them were British , the reason why to some American thay seem submissive is because many find anal sex submissive , to us it's just sex.Would you believe that Roxanne Hall did at least one double anal early in her career? Do you guys remember British Sabrina Johnson and he Gang Bangs and hard anals , do you guys remember American Aurora Snow and the Gang Bangs ,anals , Double Anals and the Triple penetrations she did? What About Kelly Wells? And I want to say that Annette Schwarz is German and so is Katja Kassin , Eva Karera is Belgian ,Liza del Sierra, Jessie Volt, Tiffany Doll and Angell Summers are French I also want to point you out that some American Stars are doing some really hard anal including fisting , Penny Pax, Chastity Lynn and Skin Diamond come to mind not to mention of course Bobbi Starr and Dana DeArmond who are second to no one , And What About Kagney Lynn Karter? In Europe there aren't movies claiming XXX first anal maybe a first scene or maybe if the star is really new , but usually a first anal is not mentioned on a cover, there aren't stars who stay years with no anal , you do or you don't, it doesn't matter , nobody here gives a fuck if a star does or doesn't do anals , Anita Blonde did one and never again she didn't like it , nobody asked her to do it any more Maybe it is the market , that might be different Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 9/9/2012 1:21:41 PM [Link]
flying_postman Member Europena Fanboy 162 Posts 5/07	Posted - Sep 9 2012 : 1:31PM Also I don't believe it's an issue of russian/Ukrainian girls being more submissive to anal than their american counterparts, Rather it is differences with porn culture in eastern Europe. As an example the US aspiring porn chick can do vag only and still have a "decent" porn career (if there is enough hype around her i.e Alexis Texas) whereas in contrast with Eastern Europe if that hot 18 year old chick tells her director/agency "I don't do anal" she will very,very likely never find work in the industry again. The reason being is that: 1.Anal is considered entry level (no pun intended) for girls getting in to euro porn, then onto DP, Anal fisting, Anal Cream pie. etc and most importantly: 2.The porn slut talent pool is infinitely deeper for eastern Europe than the US and if a euro director runs into the same "I don't do anal" types he can easily replace her with another & hotter 19 year old from Moscow who would get her anus plowed & gaped without even a grimace while smiling throughout the entire scene. But having said that, still I'm always surprised by russian/Ukrainian porn chicks (even the newbies) ability to effortlessly do some crazy anal acts unflinchingly that even the most experienced US anal porn slut might be reluctant to do. [Link]

Digital Lust Self-removed All truth is parallel; All truth is untrue 768 Posts 10/11	Posted - Sep 9 2012 : 2:30PM I had the pleasure of dating European girls in the past. In my experience, Ukrainian, Dutch, and French girls love anal sex. Before dating them, I never met an American girl that was up for anal. Euro girls are just obsessed with anal sex. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Sep 9 2012 : 3:04PM ^ I am European and have been dating European girls most of the times , we're not obsessed with anal sex , nor are the women to us it is just sex , anal is part of it just like a kiss or a blow job, some girls do it, some girls don't some like it a lot, some just like it a bit , some don't like it at all , surely those who do are more than 60% possibly even more than 70% those who really like it maybe 40% Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 9/9/2012 3:06:46 PM [Link]
Death Squad Deactivated User 43 Posts 9/12	Posted - Sep 10 2012 : 1:35AM Laurie Cameron Fan wrote: I also want to point you out that some American Stars are doing some really hard anal including fisting , Penny Pax, Chastity Lynn and Skin Diamond come to mind not to mention of course Bobbi Starr and Dana DeArmond who are second to no one , And What About Kagney Lynn Karter? Click to expand yes but they are the exception to the rule. pointing out a few american girls that do more "hardcore" anal doesn't mean my statement about russian/ukrainian/eastern european girls isn't true. also you mentioned a bunch of other european countries but i still think there is something different and more anal-submissive(don't know what else to call it) about the russian/ukrainian/eastern european girls. french porn however seems to have a lot of anal sex i've noticed also. anyone from europe or france have an opinion on this? and what about german/greek/italian/spanish women, where do they stand when it comes to anal sex? i would throw in scandinavian women too but there seems to be very few scandinavians in porn, lol. [Link]
Death Squad Deactivated User 43 Posts 9/12	Posted - Sep 10 2012 : 1:40AM Digital Lust wrote: I had the pleasure of dating European girls in the past. In my experience, Ukrainian, Dutch, and French girls love anal sex. Click to expand how come no mention of russian girls? that's where most of this hardcore anal smut comes from anyway it seems. and obviously the overlay with ukraine which is right below russia Edited by - Death Squad on 9/10/2012 1:42:07 AM [Link]
Death Squad Deactivated User 43 Posts 9/12	Posted - Sep 10 2012 : 1:49AM flying_postman wrote: Also I don't believe it's an issue of russian/Ukrainian girls being more submissive to anal than their american counterparts, Rather it is differences with porn culture in eastern Europe. Click to expand this statement i think may be true. you said "porn culture" but i guess what i'm trying to figure out is it just the "porn culture" or something larger like the women themselves, or the culture itself outside of pornography?? if what your saying is true then the male pornstars who are active in eastern europe are some of the luckiest men on THE PLANET if your a guy into anal sex (which is probably most men). The porn slut talent pool is infinitely deeper for eastern Europe than the US. Click to expand postman are you sure about this? when you say the talent pool is "deeper" what exactly do you mean? is the population of eastern european chicks who are willing to do porn that much larger than american chicks? Edited by - Death Squad on 9/10/2012 1:52:47 AM [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Sep 10 2012 : 8:31AM Death Squad wrote: and what about german/greek/italian/spanish women, where do they stand when it comes to anal sex? i would throw in scandinavian women too but there seems to be very few scandinavians in porn, lol. Click to expand In most Scandinavian Countries to shoot porn has been outlawed, but it is for feminists reasons not bigotry but you seem to forget that back in the 60/70 they were among the biggest producers lots of Swedish, Norvegians and Danish pornstars in there and many did anals some of them did anal in every flick they did , Many of them still worked for Dutch companies such as Club Seventeen at least until early 2000 years. As of today they aren't desperate enough to move abroad to do porn so you find very few of them Spanish/Italian/Greek/French have no problem with anals, almost all of Italian actresses do it as do most of French or Spanish , not an issue. as for Germans they produce the roughest sex I have ever seen just think about GGG and all John Thompson productions and their BDSM makes that of Kink as vanilla , it is true though that now they have a lot of eastern Europeans girls in their movies but Germans girls are still a lot. Also just think about at French Pontello's productions lots and lots of anals , fisting , extreme stuff and they are mostly French [Link]
Digital Lust Self-removed All truth is parallel; All truth is untrue 768 Posts 10/11	Posted - Sep 10 2012 : 5:56PM Death Squad wrote: Digital Lust wrote: I had the pleasure of dating European girls in the past. In my experience, Ukrainian, Dutch, and French girls love anal sex. Click to expand how come no mention of russian girls? that's where most of this hardcore anal smut comes from anyway it seems. and obviously the overlay with ukraine which is right below russia Edited by - Death Squad on 9/10/2012 1:42:07 AM Click to expand I didn't mention Russian girls because I never dated a Russian girl. :-) I have dated Ukrainian, French, and Dutch girls though and they absolutely loved anal sex which is why I mentioned them. I'm still under the impression that European girls are a lot more likely to try anal than American girls. I don't know if there's a survey or anything but it definitely seems to me like a higher percentage of Euro porn girls do anal than American porn girls. I'm not just talking about Ukrainian/Russian either but also French, Dutch, German, Italian, Hungarian, and Romanian. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Sep 10 2012 : 6:15PM ^ A study of some years ago stated that a percentage near 60% (but specific local statistics revealed in some Countries it raised to 80% while in some other it was between 40% and 60% being 60% the average)of European Women (EU so no Russians nor Ukrainians)tried anal at least once in their life, half of them have anal sex on regular basis , the other half do it occasionally but not rarely few didn't like it at all can't remember how many have anal sex almost every time they have sex although not exclusively Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 9/10/2012 6:22:36 PM [Link]
nietzsche Deactivated User 5470 Posts 8/03	Posted - Sep 10 2012 : 8:18PM BlackSix wrote: nietzsche wrote: This of course answers nothing, because it raises the question as to why they are more mercenary. Click to expand They are very poor. As Harri said, happy masturbating! Click to expand [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Sep 10 2012 : 9:24PM BlackSix wrote: nietzsche wrote: This of course answers nothing, because it raises the question as to why they are more mercenary. Click to expand They are very poor. As Harri said, happy masturbating! Click to expand Sometimes I wonder what you're even doing here. [Link]

BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Sep 11 2012 : 2:44AM Right, because anyone acknowledging that someone shoots porn for the money is obviously anti-porn? One would have to be blind to see how bored/uninterested/turned-off the average Russian performer is in their scene. [Link]
Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07	Posted - Sep 11 2012 : 8:46AM ^ Perhaps you've watched the wrong Russian girls in poorly made porn films. You can find plenty of such poor quality scenes in American-made porn too. I suggest that you watch how Omar Galanti and Kid Jamaica anal, DP, and DAP lady Spice in Omar's Butt Obsession film. Sexy lady Spice most certainly doesn't look bored during her DAP with these two guys. When the porn lady looks bored, then most likely it's because her stud isn't doing a good enough job. And this can happen either because the script is poorly written, such as when the script doesn't take full advantage of the lady's sexual capabilities and make the sex challenging for her. Or the director isn't directing the stud well enough. Or the stud himself isn't up to the task at hand. Blaming the lady, when she is perfectly willing and ready makes no sense. Because it's either the director or the stud who is to blame in such a situation. It takes two to have good sex. And usually it's not the lady who does most of the fucking. It's the guy. Which means that the intensity of the scene depends mostly on the guy and not on the lady. Watch how Omar Galanti takes on the Russian girls in some of his films. There is no way any sexy chick can look bored for long, when Omar Galanti takes out his big dick. He is this good inside the asses of his sexy lasses. Edited by - Dan on 9/11/2012 8:52:08 AM [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Sep 14 2012 : 3:18AM Dan wrote: Blaming the lady, when she is perfectly willing and ready makes no sense. Click to expand I don't blame 'the lady' I blame the conditions under which she is probably making the scene. [Link]
Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07	Posted - Sep 15 2012 : 8:46AM ^ It's the fucking guy who creates a lot of conditions that matter for the lady's pleasure and orgasm. When the guy isn't good in bed, then expecting his lady to enjoy her sex with him is unreasonable. [Link]
pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10	Posted - Sep 15 2012 : 10:00AM ^I might be willing to agree with you if we were talking about real sex but this is porn sex. I'm sure you know there is a difference. I'd also like to add that if you watch Eastern European porn on a regular basis then you know that the list of male performers is rather small and it's pretty much always the same 5-6 guys that shoot most of the porn. European girls do porn for the money (like girls in the US) but unlike their North American counterpart. European girls can't really choose to do anal or not. The hard reality is that they are pretty much expected to do it right away or they probably won't get hired. Now I'm quite willing to believe that European girls have a different view of anal sex so they aren't going to hesitate very long before agreeing but I think that if they could shoot standard b/g vag then they'd pick that option over the anal. [Link]
bellend Deactivated User 570 Posts 9/09	Posted - Sep 16 2012 : 7:03AM Less options on the table: 1. Limited filming opportunities with a handful of companies. 2. More desperate economic situations. 3. Increased competition for already limited money making opportunities. I hate anal so I usually avoid all euro releases. [Link]
Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07	Posted - Sep 16 2012 : 8:16AM pat362 wrote: ^I might be willing to agree with you if we were talking about real sex but this is porn sex. I'm sure you know there is a difference. I'd also like to add that if you watch Eastern European porn on a regular basis then you know that the list of male performers is rather small and it's pretty much always the same 5-6 guys that shoot most of the porn. European girls do porn for the money (like girls in the US) but unlike their North American counterpart. European girls can't really choose to do anal or not. The hard reality is that they are pretty much expected to do it right away or they probably won't get hired. Now I'm quite willing to believe that European girls have a different view of anal sex so they aren't going to hesitate very long before agreeing but I think that if they could shoot standard b/g vag then they'd pick that option over the anal. Click to expand I've checked out some escort websites from Russia, such as www.rusdosug.com, and most women there offer anal sex as a part of their entertainment for men. And it's women like these who end up performing in porn movies from there. They have no shortage of women who are experienced and willing to perform anal sex with guys. The reason why many European women are so much better at having anal sex than most American porn stars is their greater experience with anal sex. They've often done it many times with guys off screen, before they do it on screen. Which is different from the way it is in USA. In USA many porn stars do their first anal on screen, without having much experience with it before. [Link]