FYI appeals court also threw out recent lawsuit against tubes sites
Appeals Court: free Internet porn isn't unfair competition to pay sites
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| zambi Senior Member 1451 Posts 3/10 |  Posted - Feb 3 2011 : 2:11PMHere's a great article about Brazzers evolution. Talks about how they have taken over porn biz. The Geek-Kings of Smut  Edited by - zambi on Feb 3 2011 [Link] |
| zambi Senior Member 1451 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Feb 3 2011 : 2:45PM FYI appeals court also threw out recent lawsuit against tubes sites Appeals Court: free Internet porn isn't unfair competition to pay sites [Link] |
| ninja1 Senior Member 2939 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Feb 3 2011 : 4:43PM [Link] |
| Cody McLarge Senior Member 2668 Posts 8/10 | Posted - Feb 3 2011 : 5:40PM The ruling could be used as precedent for Unfair Practices and if it's someone going after these sites, that is fine. But if they have actual copyright infringement on their hands and the judge says that "tube sites get permission for content" then that is death blow for the pornography industry. I never thought Unfair Practice charges would work, but I didn't expect tube site owners and advertisers to use the hearings to defend a whole copyright infringing business model! [Link] |
| elgringoviejo58 Senior Member 1460 Posts 1/07 | Posted - Feb 3 2011 : 5:57PM [Link] |
| BustdownGal Member 539 Posts 7/06 | Posted - Feb 3 2011 : 9:27PM "The undisputed evidence showed that Bright obtains most of the videos it shows on Redtube free of charge from advertisers who pay Bright to display their videos containing their ads. " So now that a judge has found that most Redtube videos are not, in fact, bootlegs but given to them by legal agreement, can we stop the ADT ban on links to Redtube? [Link] |
| Nameless1 Member 165 Posts 10/10 | Posted - Feb 3 2011 : 11:45PM [Link] |
| BustdownGal Member 539 Posts 7/06 | Posted - Feb 4 2011 : 9:43AM [Link] |
| BustdownGal Member 539 Posts 7/06 | Posted - Feb 4 2011 : 10:39AM 1. Make gonzo scenes 10 minutes instead of 20-45 minutes. 2. Use the time and money you save making shorter gonzo scenes into making features better. 1. To many people (not me), gonzo scenes are boring because they just go on and on, and because they follow a short list of formats. But both I and impatient porn lovers agree that the trailers for videos always seem like a lot of thought and time was put into them. Porn trailers are sometimes as well done as mainstream music videos (particularly Evil Angel and Killergram). So make scenes that look as slick as the ads for your scenes. Condense everything (oral, piv, anal, cumshot) into a ten-minute quick-cut funfest with hot rock/rap background music. Would 10 minute videos cut down on actual production time and money? You guys tell me. Shorter gonzo scenes could also lead to either A. shorter DVD running times or B. fewer releases as it may take longer to produce 12 scenes for a 2-hour video than 4 scenes for a 2-hour video. 2. How does the porn industry make features better? Every director already knows how. Every porn director already has a fantasy of the kind of Hollywood-style porno he'd make if he just had a Hollywood budget. He may prefer making gonzo, but he's at least thought about it. Make THAT. If there's anything that's been consistent in the industry over these past 40 years, it's that quality features that attempt to tell a story are the titles that have legs. Features with less sex and more story may not please diehard porn fans, BUT THEY SURE SELL MORE COPIES! Making features that you can edit down to a softcore R means hotel and cable and Netflix money. Plus it sends those customers to the porn retailers to look for the uncut version (and other videos by your company). Just like I tell my soccer kids who pout and complain whenever someone takes the ball from them: "They're SUPPOSED to steal it from you Sarah! NOW GO GET IT BACK!" [Link] |
| zambi Senior Member 1451 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Feb 4 2011 : 6:34PM Wicked appears to have partnered with them now. If you can't beat them ... Wicked Partners with Manwin [Link] |
| oldboi Deactivated User 205 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Feb 4 2011 : 9:23PM I've run into a bunch of sites where it can only be viewed on their site and streaming with no download option. Bravo Brazzers. Keep it up. [Link] |
BlackSix  All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Feb 5 2011 : 9:01PM [Link] |
| ChodeMasterJ Perpetual Marxist 5405 Posts 4/03 | Posted - Feb 5 2011 : 10:52PM [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Feb 6 2011 : 5:46AM [Link] |
| pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Feb 6 2011 : 11:08AM [Link] |
| Tug3005 Senior Member 1152 Posts 12/10 | Posted - Feb 6 2011 : 6:46PM [Link] |
| ninja1 Senior Member 2939 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Feb 6 2011 : 7:34PM [Link] |
| Cody McLarge Senior Member 2668 Posts 8/10 | Posted - Feb 8 2011 : 5:26AM There was an article about Manwin, another tube site entrepreneurial force, experimenting with using filters to preempt pirated uploads much like movie industry does. But Brazzers makes trailers public property, as do other sites. Preventing them from being uploaded to tube sites violates these companies' rights. However it still sounds like a necessary first step, and at the same time might only give more cover for the deceptive free porn industry. Catch-22. Furthermore, the upload didn't identify the movie it was lifted from, only the performers. Blocking individual names can't be done as performers also appear in authorized clips and again, studios can't be denied the privilege to advertise a scene. If Jenna Haze doesn't want a scene featuring Faye Reagan and Dani Jensen uploaded, but Erik Everhard wants to add a preview of a similar scene then Jenna's insistence on a filter for "Faye Reagan/Dani Jensen" violates Everhard's free speech rights. EDIT: Even the name of tube sites is not allowed, even if it was placed for dramatic effect/precise clarification. Edited by - Cody McLarge on 2/8/2011 4:30:11 PM [Link] |
| Zoid Senior Member Boobies and Anal 2004 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Feb 8 2011 : 10:31AM Apparently they hammered out some kind of deal with FSC and several porn studios. Basically, they are going to use content ID like YouTube does, called APAP to 'fingerprint' footage. (see article) But naturally, studios need to join APAP program and submit their content for it to be effective. I am very curious about whether that will actually work. [Link] |
| Cody McLarge Senior Member 2668 Posts 8/10 | Posted - Feb 8 2011 : 11:11AM [Link] |
| skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02 | Posted - Feb 8 2011 : 5:35PM 5-min clip tube porn sucks. It's obvs effective for a quick wank. But it's reductive and boring. [Link] |
| skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02 | Posted - Feb 8 2011 : 5:38PM [Link] |
| Tug3005 Senior Member 1152 Posts 12/10 | Posted - Feb 8 2011 : 6:52PM [Link] |
| skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02 | Posted - Feb 8 2011 : 6:59PM [Link] |
| Tug3005 Senior Member 1152 Posts 12/10 | Posted - Feb 8 2011 : 11:41PM [Link] |
| Lord Lucifer Deactivated User Sins of the flesh 1378 Posts 7/10 | Posted - Feb 8 2011 : 11:51PM Audrey Bitoni's #1 Fan [Link] |
| Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03 | Posted - Feb 9 2011 : 12:23AM [Link] |
| ChodeMasterJ Perpetual Marxist 5405 Posts 4/03 | Posted - Feb 9 2011 : 2:07AM amazing!! haha.[Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Feb 9 2011 : 4:09AM [Link] |
| cavarra Member 758 Posts 6/10 | Posted - Feb 9 2011 : 6:27AM A lot of sites the same one another, a lot of boring one-to-one scenes, a lot of fake tits fake lips fake butts and women that looks trannies. I loved bangbros but now i prefer pornpros, I love the fact they book the fresher, cooler, more natural and more popular teens in the bitz and their sites offer really many choices (my favorites are Massage Creep and Deep Throat Love). [Link] |
| Cody McLarge Senior Member 2668 Posts 8/10 | Posted - Feb 9 2011 : 6:38AM [Link] |
| ChodeMasterJ Perpetual Marxist 5405 Posts 4/03 | Posted - Feb 9 2011 : 8:53AM [Link] |
| skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02 | Posted - Feb 9 2011 : 12:26PM [Link] |
| elgringoviejo58 Senior Member 1460 Posts 1/07 | Posted - Feb 9 2011 : 1:29PM [Link] |
| Cody McLarge Senior Member 2668 Posts 8/10 | Posted - Feb 9 2011 : 7:43PM [Link] |
| skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02 | Posted - Feb 9 2011 : 10:25PM [Link] |
| ChodeMasterJ Perpetual Marxist 5405 Posts 4/03 | Posted - Feb 9 2011 : 11:18PM Let me see if I'm understanding this right. You're saying that once something is posted in the public sphere, it automatically becomes public and it's against someone's 1st Amendment right to have it taken down if it's copyrighted material? Like if someone posts a scene from Movie A on a tube site, once it's posted, they can't have the site take it down because it violates an advertiser's 1st Amendment rights? Is this what you're saying or am I way off base? [Link] |
| Cody McLarge Senior Member 2668 Posts 8/10 | Posted - Feb 10 2011 : 8:19AM If the owner agrees to allow the content to become a matter of interest to the viewing public, which has been given permission to access the content for free, it is a protected act of free speech. A movie company posting a trailer on youtube has the exact same rights as a porn producer posting a trailer on a tube site, or giving permission/commission to post content. If you can't shut down youtube even though users upload copyrighted material without permission, you can't shut down a tube site for similar violations. It's about public participation, hosting content as an act of free speech. Any wholesale lawsuits to shut down tube sites will inevitably fail because they are seen as an attempt to stifle a content owner's right to post material. I may have chosen grad school over law school, but I think know my way around entertainment law. However, if anything appears to be off base, I'd like Pornlaw or one of our other members with legal experience to offer corrections. [Link] |
| ChodeMasterJ Perpetual Marxist 5405 Posts 4/03 | Posted - Feb 10 2011 : 9:54AM [Link] |
| Drebin Member 686 Posts 3/09 | Posted - Feb 10 2011 : 10:35AM brazzers might not have released a scene worth getting off to since Jenny Hendrix in Big Wet Butts but from the article/pic they definately smart dudes making the most of internet to push there brand wouldn't surprise me if they involved in the whole porn warez scene on every level. does not matter what kind of entertainment it is, as long the internet is around so will the never ending cycle of piracy...  then leechers upload to tube sites loloff topic but worth mention that sony did well, the ps3 was piracy proof for over 4 years! [Link] |
| Zoid Senior Member Boobies and Anal 2004 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Feb 10 2011 : 4:41PM [Link] |
| ninja1 Senior Member 2939 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Feb 10 2011 : 4:46PM [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Feb 11 2011 : 3:00AM [Link] |
| Cody McLarge Senior Member 2668 Posts 8/10 | Posted - Feb 11 2011 : 7:05AM Tube sites fail to ask for age restrictions, another issue entirely, but make the posting of porn a key part of their platform. One porn producer attempting to shut them down for whatever reason is seen as a strategic lawsuit against public (authorized) participation. The tube site allowing porn to be a part of their public presence is actually key. [Link] |
| Cody McLarge Senior Member 2668 Posts 8/10 | Posted - Feb 11 2011 : 7:21AM How is it different? For one, it occurs in cyberspace where an anonymous user can utilize the technology afforded to them to upload whatever they wish. But as I understand it, the pawn shops work in coordination with professional police forces to identify stolen material. For that to work, material has to be reported stolen. Porn companies are free to issue cease and desist orders and even copyright infringement orders (which might have fines and obligations attached) to people who upload unauthorized material (like a scene from a film). One way to do that is enter the scenes in to the Free speech Coalition's APAP program which provides video fingerprinting analysis to identify offending content on user-accessible websites. The tube sites get to carry on offering free porn and receiving commissions for viewers, while aiding in preventing copyright infringement. Win/win? Maybe, studios DO need to submit video for analysis, and issue orders. [Link] |
| Zoid Senior Member Boobies and Anal 2004 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Feb 11 2011 : 10:44AM [Link] |
| Cody McLarge Senior Member 2668 Posts 8/10 | Posted - Feb 11 2011 : 12:02PM [Link] |
| Nameless1 Member 165 Posts 10/10 | Posted - Feb 17 2011 : 10:17PM Just curious. I know that tube sites are kind of a "touchy" subject around here, but what about all the sites that Manwin/Brazzers own (don't think I can name them here, so I won't)? They even partnered with Wicked. So, would they get a pass? [Link] |
| ChodeMasterJ Perpetual Marxist 5405 Posts 4/03 | Posted - Feb 17 2011 : 10:37PM [Link] |
| Nameless1 Member 165 Posts 10/10 | Posted - Feb 17 2011 : 10:43PM I'm simply trying to find out if the sites Manwin owns would be considered legitimate. That's all. [Link] |
| Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03 | Posted - Feb 18 2011 : 2:54AM [Link] |
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