I totally agree with your opening statement, and most of your analysis of the male talents' faults and types. Of course, I can think of many other examples of talent with these faults but yours are okay.
Bottom line on the original question, about who I avoid and who always ruins a scene for me no matter who the girl is in the scene? Two names: Rocco Siffredi and Max Hardcore. IMHO both of these guys hate women, and use porn to abuse young girls. I don't buy any product with Max, and will purchase sexvids with Rocco in it only if I have reason to believe the director on the set exercised "control" over Rocco's abuse of his female partner(s). If not, you get "The Emperor" controversy.
The professionalism is exactly what I try to avoid. I can't identify with the guy (my proxy) when he acts as if fucking some beautiful full bodied woman is another day in the GMAC assembly plant. I avoid all the top guys, they are never passionate, just athletic.Always Faster harder or some other gimmick,They never have the appearance that whatever they're doing feels good. I understand they are not fucking for themselves, but for the next paycheck. Lust can't be faked.
I'm not sure how you equate professionalism with robotic sex. My idea of professionalism is that they don't act like thugs and they don't act like clowns. Again, my opinion, professionals should show interest in their partners and do whatever it takes to make a good scene.
people like tony t and dirty harry--all the guys who work with khan tusion--are really repulsive to me. they look ugly, unwashed, and are generally low human beings.
some guys may be dull, or robotic, but that's ok, i just don't like the ones that access their aggression when they're on camera.
Can't believe that only one person named the biggest "I Love Me," in the history of adult films--Nick Manning
The only way this guy could read a line of dialogue, is by attaching the script to a mirror, and that, moronic, "dropping loads," orgasmic yelp, (while actually, dribbling drips), annoys the Hell out of me.
Two additional male performers NOT worthy of my time, are Alex Sanders, and porn's only Hobbit, Brandon Iron........
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Alfredo92 Deactivated User
Honolulu 127 Posts 2/06
Posted - Dec 25 2006 : 12:46AM
If Herschel Savage is in it, I put it back on the shelf. Thusly, I have avoided any shit that Seymore Butts have put out in the past two years.
Herschel Savage has long been past his prime and should have retired a long time ago.
Mate, please don't quote a large post like that in full to add a two-word "me too" at the end. Just quote a line or so, or even type that you agree with so-and-so's post instead. Thanks.
I can no longer watch Steve Holmes. He's become very skanky looking in recent years.
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australia 136 Posts 5/06
Posted - Dec 25 2006 : 7:55PM
I too am one of many who gets a film mainly for the chick,but the guy must also play a crucial role to make a scene hot. Sadly there are so many guys that I avoid coz they ruin scenes. 1.Mark Davis,and his perenial toe sucking habits.Even if it is not a foot fetish scene,the guy just sucks toes everytime. He too is overrused and has ruined many scenes for Third degree films. He and Sean Micheals should have both retired 10 years ago. 2.Julian st.joke, this cat has had wood problems from the start but has dragged on with the use of Viagra.Has the most flabbiest body in porn since Ron Jeremy. 3. Hershelle Savage and Randy Spears are beyond washed up and I pass titles that have them. 4. Steven st.croix,What happened to his manhood? He IS another hangers on who i avoid at all times. 5. LAST but not least, WESLEY PIPES.Too much has already been said about this brainless thug from Central La.
My fav Male performers are BILLY GLIDE JOHN WEST LEE STONE RICCO STRONG LEX STEELE MARCUS, only when he takes off his stupid baseball cap. Mark Ashley Brett Rockman.
For a scene to be hot,the chick must be to notch and the guy must be healthy and tonned.There is nothing more off putting than seeing a hot chick paired up with some hairy bloeted old man.
I don't have problems with guys that are "too aggressive" unless the female talent is obviously not pleased with them. I have a bigger problem with guys that aren't aggressive enough. Guys that seem to think if they fuck her too hard they might break something or a slap on the ass must be a gentle pat on the ass. Come on, man! Either really slap that ass or don't bother! If she doesn't like what you're doing, she'll let you know, I bet.
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prodigy2 Deactivated User
152 Posts 7/06
Posted - Dec 26 2006 : 9:05PM
No, can't stand that guy.
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prodigy2 Deactivated User
152 Posts 7/06
Posted - Dec 26 2006 : 9:15PM
Here are my list of guys I wish will never ever be in a sex scene ever again...
Nat Turner Brian Pumper JMac from Bangbros Jordan (another ass from Bangbros) Jules Jordan - stick to directing Mandingo Scott Nails Julian Mr. Marcus Chris Charming Lexington Steele Lee stone
I equate professionalism with lack of passion, or for want of a better word lust. It is just that. Doing whatever it takes to make a good scene" is from the directors P.O.V. Thats robotic. the stud's substituting for the viewer I the viewer want to be convinced that the fucking feels good. The director wants it too look good. I believe that after a number of years in the biz the stud is just not that turned on by the next fuck. How many time have we saw a movie touted as her first anal, or double whatever and the stud that is going too take her cherry is concerned with a good scene, and full of Viagra he acts as if he's fucking a hole in a melon. Have you witnessed what passes for a passionate kiss in porn these days. I don't see much interest from either party in main stream porn. Long live the amateur
David Perry. I don't completely avoid him, but if I'm unsure about a movie and he's in it, then back on the shelf he goes. Why? Because he spits on women's faces when he delivers a facial. Not every time, but it seems to be a habit. I don't want to watch spitting anyway, but spitting on a beautiful face that's showing off a hot cum coating?
Maybe he thinks it adds to the volume of the facial - that it looks like more cum. But uhhh if there's a cock delivering a blast from the side of the screen and suddenly a large gob of white stuff drops from above, it's pretty obvious what's happening.
This ruined one of the best copious cumshots I've seen recently, in No Holes Barred 3. A gorgeous Brazilian girl (Pietra, I think) has just eagerly received a three-guy mega bonk. David starts the cumshots with a strong load, then drools into her face. She has the balls (ahem) to take it and move on to receive great blasts from the other two guys, but that moment cools me off. She still looks great and has a devilish smile at the end of the scene, but this stops that whole scene from being a keeper for me.
As I said, he doesn't do it every time, and I suspect some of the cannier girls have caught on and told him not to. I still get movies with him if there are enough other purchasing reasons to risk him ruining that small part of a scene. But if there's any doubt, David's out.
Taste Her O-Ring is the perfect example. Like one of the best female cast I have seen in an adult movie, all my favorites are in it like Trina Michaels, Flower Tucci, Staci Thorn, Lauren Phoenix, Melissa Lauren, Sierra Sinn and Mia Bangg yet I can't buy it because I can't stand the guys who are in it. It is to weep that I have to miss it :-(
Sorry LamontCranston, I dont think you missed the post, but perhaps the point.
The topic is Avoiding certain male talent. On the whole, I very much agree with your views, but have long since accepted the fact, that there will always be two species of Porn. Pro and Amateur. Hardware, if I'm not mistaken, is referring to Pro Mainstream, and the lack of professionalism, often found among the "professionals". As such, and as long as there is such a thing, the often overwhelming sense of jaded fucking will persist. There may certainly be a few unfathomable perverts in the biz, but on the whole, amateur male performers, and the zeal of unfounded excitement in general, will always be removed to another subject. imho.
Edited by - Endless Loop on 12/28/2006 7:31:15 PM
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Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 7:29PM
Ghetto performers like Bang Bros crew or Brian Pumper
I couldn't agree more with this post. I don't know a whole lot of male performers names but for the ones I do know, these guys really ruin it for me. Mark Davis should have retired long ago. And I also agree with another posters opinion that Jules Jordan should stay on the other side of the camera.
Dick Nasty.... OMG take a look at some of my prior posts that pertain to Brandon Iron and agsoi, asking why he uses this old fart. Several times I've commented on how he's a "Mr. No-Load". He's an old geezer taking up a spot that could be filled by a hot stud/big shooter. Why in the world do porn directors/producers use this old fat dud, especially in oral/swallow scenes? drip drip
Black dudes.... Yeah, I have to agree that most of them (not all) seem to have wood problems, and almost all of them produce very little loads, ala last bit out of a tube of toothpaste. The talk they spew doesn't bother me, but their lack of wood/jiz does. The porn girl should say shit back like "is that it? that's all u can muster up from that limp black noodle? lol... To be honest, I've never seen a black dude shoot a huge load and one guy in Brandon's agsoi series even had yellow cum... ewe!
Rat-at-tat-tat fucking (i.e. super high speed boning) is huge turnoff when it takes up a big portion of a scene. Why? Because visually speaking watching the woman get her grinding groove on is the main erotic element in porn for me. Finding scenes where a gal gets this "grinding groove" thing happening for more than about 10 seconds is hard enough as it is...so anything a male performer does which further reduces the likelihood of it appearing is a big NO-NO, given the kind of action I enjoy watching.
So to the extent that I notice a male performer who does this lengthy energizer bunny routine on a regular basis, I steer clear of him. I won't name names, you fellas know who you are.
I watch porn for the women, but the wrong male talent can ruin a scene for me. My list, from worst to bad:
Max Hardcore: The guy is just a psycho and a creep--a sexual predator with a digital camera
Wesley Pipes: I definitely don't watch porn to hear some guy yammer on--good male talent is silent male talent, guys who understand that the audience is here for her. Sean Michaels and Peter North come to mind (no pun intended), male stars who nonetheless don't bring undue attention on themselves, featuring the female instead. Pipes with his non-stop shit-talk is the worse of the all-about-me type I despise in a scene.
Tony T: One scene with the smoking hot Chanel Chavez in No Swallowing Allowed says it all--minutes in he begins shoving his ass down on her face, demanding she lick his crack FOR ABOUT 15 MINUTES. She was game for a little while but he kept this up--while she is being analed--until he nauseated her and just destroyed the scene. And where was the Director? Not only do I not want to watch a beautiful woman lick A GUYS ASSHOLE (another beautiful woman is a different story, natch), I don't want to see her coerced into it without end by some bonehead. Thanks Chico Wang...
John Strong: Boring mechanical style, puts women into awkward uncomfortable positions, annoying talk. Generates negative heat with female talent, and calls attentions to himself constantly.
Erik Everhard: The Hate Plow--the human jackhammer thing he does kills any heat that might build with female talent. Half the time they look like they just want to get away from it. Also has a recent and annoying tendency to go ass-to-pussy and back with jackhammer thrusts which is a real wood-killer for me; if I wanted to watch a Euro-style fuck I would've rented Sliders or something else from Sineplex. And then there's his insistence on dps in every second of a BBG scene, even in Outnumbered, where all the poor little pretty Eurogirls sit around listlessly friggering themselves, while Everhard and Holmes do endless standing dps, gazing over a prone starlet’s shoulder into each others eyes. I feels like the camera is interrupting some private moment between the 2 of them.
Manuel Ferrara: The endless showboating, all around meat-headedness…
Michael Stefano: The posterboy for male talent as the all-about-me scenehog. Somewhere along the line, he developed this habit of putting women into awkward positions that bury them and feature himself, so that now his face is on-camera more than the female talent. He’s also taken to spitting more than a minor league baseball team. A little bit is cool but damn, man.
Hershel Savage/Tyler Knight: Should both try that stuff Peter North hawks--weakest money shots in the business by far.
For the most part, great female looks and talent is enough to overcome any problems with other guys out there. I know that being a stunt dick is generally not as easy or as much fun as it looks, so if a guy loses wood or something you can't be too hard on them (again, no pun intended). Watching a Peter North or Lex scene is always quality, and it can be kind of a kick to watch ugly fat-ass Ron Jeremy bury it in a hot starlet's ass, but generally in the best scenes I barely know the male talent is there until a huge facial. That's a job well done...
I'm reading this thread with some bemusement...I don't buy a lot of porn, but still..I don't know ANY of the guys making porn nowadays. They're generally not credited like the girls are...they're just a list of names, almost an afterthought.
As an example, I was watching pieces of Cumfart Cocktails last night, and I see Selena, Katja, Tyla, etc. onscreen with their names, but the guys are only listed at the end. I'm left to guess who's who.
In the old days when I first got into porn, the flicks would treat the guys the same as the girls as far as credit. You'd see them in action, with their name underneath. I'm speaking of guys like Jerry Butler, Peter North, Joey Silvera, Tom Byron, Mike Horner, Ron Jeremy, etc.
Somewhere along the way, the screen credits for guys went from "here's so and so" to a list of names, and you're left to guess who was in what scene. In the aforementioned Cumfart Cocktails, I haven't got the faintest idea which guy is which, but I know which girls I like. :)
There are a handful of dudes that totally ruin scenes and make movies unwatchable, even if they are with the best female performers..that just makes it more unwatchable.
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27 Posts 5/06
Posted - Jan 2 2007 : 9:30PM
Personally I can't stand John Strong..boring as hell, little dick, just a prick all around. How did he get in the biz? Seriously.
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prodigy2 Deactivated User
152 Posts 7/06
Posted - Feb 28 2007 : 9:33PM
I hate Brian Pumper so much....just watched him in a scene with Ricky White in Ultimate Asses 7. He was just like a pathetic log in there not knowing what to do. Stefano should have just kept her to himself for the entire scene.
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152 Posts 7/06
Posted - Feb 28 2007 : 9:44PM
Some more losers I have to add to this list:
Will Powers (fuck off asshole) Mark Davis Erik Everhard John Strong Travis Knight Any Mope Squad memeber Sean Michaels Tommy Gunn(how the hell did this joke get Peformer of the year award?) Mark Wood
You want a toe? I can get you a toe 1131 Posts 4/06
Posted - Mar 1 2007 : 7:38AM
Didn't see this before but thats why i hate steve french scenes.
he's either eating his own cum of the girls(directors save this shit for fetish movies not normal releases unless you want to lose sales) or he's dropping a huge load of spit on the girls face after he cums.
I made the mistake of getting the russians are coming 2, he was in every scene and ruined every single one.
Here are my disappointments: Lee Stone: He seems to be semi hard in every scene I see him in. It weirds me out. Brian Pumper: He showboats too much. Stick to fucking and shut up. I didn't buy the porno to hear you rap or really make any noises at all. He looks like he thinks his shit don't stink. Seymore Butts: I loved his earlier stuff but as time went on I seem to notice sort of a bloch on cock that sorta turned me off. Domineko: nuff said. Mr. Bigg: He was a gay porn star long before his turn at straight film and had a fan base with them too. It just turns me off to see him fuck beautiful women and not keep a hard on. Nick Manning: As "handsome" he may be the scenes always seem to be about him and his performance is too much. Evan Stone: Great actor but as far as seeing him fuck I could live my life without it. Jack Horner: why is he fucking on film again? Max Hardcore: Great in person. But I hate his movies. I don't think girls puking is hot at all. All those blackzilla guys: sometimes they can't even keep it hard. That ugly guy from Monsters of Cock: he is too fucking ugly I don't care how big his cock is. Wesley Pipes: Although sometimes he can be humorous nobody really wants to hear what he has to say while fuckin. its a total turn off.
Now my faves are Manuel Ferrara: Lots of passion...especially his earlier work Erik Everhard: although sometimes he could be a bit loud. Brandon Irons: always great loads! Jules Jordan: Really massive loads and gets the best performances from girls. Michael Stefano: has wonderful chemistry with girls especially with black girls which is hard for most white guys. Tommy Gunn: Mainly cuz he's fuckin hot! Mark Wood: He's a cutie and got mad stroke! Travis Knight: he's a sweetie. Randy Spears: after all these years he's still in great shape and still packs the heat
That is too funny, that is who Manning guy is? You mean that "dropping loads" thing is his trademark? I saw bbg scene w/ him and Katsumi and he does that "dropping loads" thing. I find it really annoying and ruined the scene, but I admit after I while I found it kinda funny in an entertaining way. Kind of like a bad song on the radio and after I while it starts catching on . Although I don't like him as a performer.
As an aside, I don't pay attention to the guys that much. IMO an girl who is a great performer can carry a scene to the point where the guy is invisible. The guy has to be annoying (loud or obnoxious), abusive (Rocco) or totally inept for me to take notice and avoid him.
Male talent has too be REALLY bad for me to not buy/rent a scene w/ a favourite girl of mine. I didn't know male talent was such a big deal to porn watchers until I started visiting the forums
Keep in mind that this forum probably does not represent the average porn watcher. Many on here are hobbyists/addicts, and we take our porn very seriously. Ain't nothing wrong with that! Most viewers could care less about the male talent, and the boxcovers with the hottest chicks are what will sell the most dvds.
Guys I avoid: Ben English, Mark Davis, Deep Threat, Brian Pumper, and that Jack guy from Naughty America, with the the stupid upper thigh tattoo.
The males in porn have TOTAL control over what I'll watch. I'm not going to name anybody by name, but my "Males to Avoid" list gets bigger every year.
I guess guys are getting paid more now, because many of them think they are the stars and not the women. I know alot of male fans admire them for living out their fantasies, so they could be right.
It's saving me money because when I see certain males in the title, and see they are paired with girls I like, I skip it!
-PornoPunK
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Posted - Mar 1 2007 : 11:32PM
John Strong Jay Ashley Tyce Bune Alex Sanders Pat Myne Joaquim Kessef
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BoogieNights Deactivated User
102 Posts 2/07
Posted - Mar 2 2007 : 2:07AM
One dude who truly has an odd face is Mark Ashley. First off, he reminds me a little of a young Abraham Lincoln. So, that's just weird in and of itself. Second, his eyes are always wandering independent of one another. So, whenever I see him, I find myself thinking about lizards. All in all, it's a bad combination of thoughts that come to mind.
You guys got to be freaking kidding me, it seems to me that most of you are looking at the guy and thinking about him when u are watching porn. And to me that is a little gay because when I am watching porn I am so focus on the girl I dont even notice the guy unless they put the camera on his face like they did in the 80's all the time. I mean u guys have a list of your male porn stars u don't like...LMAO that shit is too funny.
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102 Posts 2/07
Posted - Mar 2 2007 : 4:07PM
I would agree with you if it weren't for the way the films are being shot and edited. When the film cuts away from the girl for like 20 seconds, just so that we can all watch one of Mark Ashley's eyes focused on a lamp on the right side of the room and his other eye focused out the window on the left side of the room, that's a problem. At that point, you can't help but notice and start to dislike the guy.
I had to jump in and concur with this. I'm not a fan of his style, or his limp noodle. He spits on anything that moves ffs. Dick nasty is another mope I cold do without.
"dropping (fucking) loads" which he says as he climaxes and ejaculates.
Nick is known for his often quirky comments while performing such as "Look at your eyes light up (when you make fuck)", "I'm fucking you? You're fucking me!" and "Get fucked" or "Make fuck!".
Posted - Dec 20 2006 : 3:30PM
