Fool. It's a poison dart frog -- it can kill you by touching it.

I said it's okay with only large animals: horses, large dogs, etc.

PS: I feel sorry if that is really you, in your avatar.

Edited by - sensi on 4/19/2007 7:09:45 PM

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It's perfectly fine and acceptable! Go have fun and fuck animals, it's ok and there's nothing wrong with you! So says Sensi..

There is a reason why it's banned in nearly every country you know..

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Has any similar "research" made a link between Nascar and mental health? Football and mental health? Reading the newspaper a lot and mental health? How......interesting that it goes straight to porn. Maybe someone needs to see if there's a link between trying to prove porn consumers are crazy and actually being a bit.......mental yourself? Eh?

I'm certainly not advocating bestiality. It's one of the few things I think are just plain wrong. Most people who watch a lot of ordinary porn aren't hurting anyone and they don't need anyone's help unless they actually want it.

Edited by - randomprecision on 4/19/2007 8:24:33 PM

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My point is that telling someone to 'get help' doesn't mean very much. If you get turned on by looking at huge anal gapes... how normal is that... really? Or how normal should it be?

I think that if bestiality porn wasn't considered 'sick' by so many, some other people wouldn't find it as arousing. That it is wrong and sick and fucked up makes it only better for some.

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#2 Just because its "illegal" doesn't always mean it's wrong. Smoking marijuana in many countries is "illegal" but does that mean its wrong to smoke marijuana?

#3 Nobody has actually addressed the issues: That apparently you tell me I "need help". I will again ask who do I get help from?

Psychologist's use what is known as the DSM-IV to diagnose people with mental disorders. The DSM-IV says zoophilia/bestiality is NOT a mental disorder. People from all walks of life have sexual relations with their horse or dog that they love. Mean people, happy people, rich people, poor people, every people.

Also I know I'm better off than a lot of people in the world:

1. Fluent speaker of English, Spanish, and Japora
2. Attend's an Ivy League school for computer science & foriegn languages
3. Has a girlfriend who goes to the same school
4. Has a well paying job as an ER-translator for doctors and patients
5. Has a great social life
6. Has an a generally all-around awesome family
7. Enjoys sex of every type that sticks to the following rules:

a) Rape is NOT alright
b) Pedophilia is NOT alright
c) Physical, emotional, and mental abuse is NOT alright

Edited by - sensi on 4/19/2007 8:41:59 PM

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Example -

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….Back to the fighting.

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ring-ring
Sensi: "Hello?"
Meoooww?
Sensi""Look,Kitty it's over!We had some fun,but it didn't mean anything!"
Meow-Meow-Meow!
Sensi: "Kitty,please,,don't drag this out,just move on like I did!"
Meow-Meow dart frog Meow?
Sensi: "Yes Kitty,I'm going to hook up with dart frog.Deal with it!"

Edited by - DP Jones on 4/19/2007 10:57:45 PM

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They get an orgasm of happiness!

*Yay!*

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I'm almost 100% sure I'm more set in life than a lot of

folks 'round here.

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I'll admit to being curious enough to watch a few scenes. But my opinion is that this is far from normal, and the fact that animals cannot communicate verbally leaves questions about consent. Not to mention lower brain function, making it easier to be taken advantage of, kinda like teachers with their students.

A donkey show on the other hand...

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302.9 Paraphilia Not Otherwise Specified

This category is included for coding paraphilias that do not meet the criteria for any of the specific categories. Examples include, but are not limited to, telephone scatologia (obscene phone calls), necrophilia (corpses), partialism (exclusive focus on part of body), zoophilia (animals), coprophilia (feces), klismaphilia (enemas), and urophilia (urine).

Now, just because the DSM says you are a perverted freak does not mean you are one. That would be as bogus as your argument that if the DSM did not address you as a perverted freak you were not one.

On the other hand, the fact that you are coming to a forum where lots of perverts hang out and are getting emphatically called a perverted freak probably carries a lot of weight.

Your assertion that Zoophiles would within ten years attain the same social status as gays was so absurd I was not even able to tell my wife with a straight face. Why don't you go down to a GLAD meeting and express your solidarity and belief that you are just like them? Wear a shirt you don't like though, because you won't want your nose bleeding all over one of your favorites.

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Edited by - Yankey Doodel on 4/20/2007 12:28:45 AM

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I've told my pscyhlogists (I had a little depression my last year in HS) about zoophilia.

none of them cared. Nor did they think it was odd.

And the full edition of the DSM says the same thing as that BTW -- check it out on google.

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sensi=richard gere.

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i eat things with wheat

and it makes my shit very nasty and wobbly -- a little hard to push out.

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Also, you know, if you are being treated for depression, your therapist may not think that the Zoophilia was the pressing concern. The way that insurance works these days causes many counselors to have to focus on the problem at hand. Insurance may allow as few as six sessions at a time which is barely enough time to deal with whatever drove you into therapy. They are not going to be able to deal with every issue you have in your life.

As long as you are interested in adults (and it sounds like you are otherwise heterosexual) you may find that some of your more extreme desires wane with time. A stable adult sexual relationship helps a lot with this. I know my own more kinky interests have subsided with time. I say this as a person who has enjoyed looking at pictures and stories of zoo stuff from time to time.

On the other hand, as a college student, you are in the time of your life where your permanent desires and fantasies are going to be fixed. The more you act on these desires, the more you will be that guy. The more you keep it as on occasional kink that you use porn as an outlet for (and don't actually start doing it with the animals) and concentrate on adult relationships with women, the more you will be that guy.

Our brains don't stop growing until we are about 27. In the years before that, and especially the years from about 16-23, the brain makes a "thicket" of neurons that grow like crazy. It then thins them out in the time going towards 27. It does this by reinforcing the ones that are used a lot and pruning the ones that are not. If you decide that zoo is perfectly normal and wade hip deep in it, you will become that guy for the rest of your life.

If you do actually want to get psychiatric help, it is available to you. I am not saying that it is required for you to live a normal life. All you have to do is decide that you are going to be titillated by this stuff but not going to do more than that.

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And no pscyh doc has talked to me about it. I pressed the issue with them. All they asked:

"Are you physically restraining the animal?"

"No, never"

"Do you feel guilty about your sexual attraction towards animals?"

"Not at all"

"Then there isn't much that can be said about it"

Edited by - sensi on 4/20/2007 12:55:22 AM

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IS this the end?

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Peace & love,

Sonic

PS.: The fact remains not a single person has posted a solid agruement against bestiality. So far we have the following:

1) "Thats disgusting"
2) "You're one sick puppy"
3) "Humans are not meant to have sex with animals"
a) Explain that a little better. Read a biology textbook
learn that humans are animals as well.

Edited by - sensi on 4/20/2007 1:34:22 AM

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1) It is inherently psychologically harmful. I know you will want some sort of predicate for this, but psychology does not work exactly the way platonic logic does. Some things are just bad for you and your brain.

2) All paraphilias have the ability to undermine your other healthy relationships. This is a particularly good example of one that could do that. Many paraphiliacs find themselves increasingly unable to relate to the other men and women in their romantic lives in ways that don't involve their paraphilia. This can take several forms including:
a) always wanting to include the paraphilia in lovemaking.
b) distance and discord with the significant other as the S.O. resists or disapproves of the paraphilia.
c) an increasing focus on the paraphilia to the exclusion of normal lovemaking with the S.O. - this one would be of particular importance in Zoo cases.

3) Particularly extreme kinks like Zoo can also cause a lot of inner shame and self disgust.

4) Isolation from society. You are seeing a lot that in this very forum.

5) Trouble with the law. You can get in trouble for having sex with animals, and it extends beyond just the fact that fucking a horse is illegal most places. Once you have a family, it is the type of thing that Child Protective Services will take a dim view of, and could very well result in the state taking your children away from you.

I mean, if you want good arguments for why any paraphilia might be bad for you, a bunch of paraphiliac porn hounds are not the best group to tell you. The mental health professional in our family just went to bed. However, there are people out there who can help you.

I find the reactions you conveyed from your therapists to be odd, and am inclined to think that if you have conveyed them accurately that these were more along the lines of threshold questions rather than the last word on the issue.

Having been an intelligent and angry young man myself, I suspect that you quickly became contemptuous of your therapists and broke off sessions perhaps prematurely. I think it is a good idea to try to find one that you can respect intellectually and then spend more than six sessions with him. Before she went to bed, my wife also mentioned that there are therapists who specialize in sexual deviance and you may want to talk to one of them.

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if you're a human and you fuck other species, you're a sick fuck.

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And you are wrong about interspecies sex. I highly recommend you read some books:

Midas Dekkers: Dearest Pet: On Bestiality, ISBN 978-1-85984-310-9

Page 34-42 talks about animals that have sex with other different animals. Noteable examples: Small dog with a cat, various african water buffalo with hippos, etc.

Also: Andrea Beetz Ph.D.: Bestiality and Zoophilia (2005), ISBN 978-1-55753-412-5

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I was Sonic. Got wiped out like poop

Moved to a different state because I got bored with where I lived.

Came back as Spew. Got pooped on

And now I'm Sensi.

I've been on ADT for many, many years. More than a lot of members here.

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+ I am beautiful and the women love me

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b) wtf does being pretty and all that shit have to do with the probability of you getting deactivated (again)? i don't think Hardware likes dudes... haha.

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