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Spew
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334 Posts
7/04
Posted - Aug 17 2004 : 2:36AM
A horrible program. It ruined my harddrive.


Eraser overwrites data over and over, 30 times if you want. But the problem is it creates a temp file that grows huge in size. It sucked up 70GB in a few seconds and permantly froze the harddrive that way; destroying it for good. Also like eraser 5.7 incluce: shred 2, Wipe, etc

Saki
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Posted - Aug 17 2004 : 2:52AM
Unless you've got some magical computer setup, there's no physical way to write 70GB in a few seconds on a desktop computer... Maybe in a matter of minutes or hours, but you couldn't format the disk that fast.

- Saki [faqs]

Spew
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334 Posts
7/04
Posted - Aug 17 2004 : 3:13AM
i have such a "magical system", and it completly ruined it, so fuck eraser to hell
Saki
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11/99
Posted - Aug 17 2004 : 9:38AM
As someone who knows a lot about computers, I'm just saying that it's really unlikely that the program itself destroyed the hard disk. It's more likely that the drive had physical problems that may have been pushed over the edge by the repetitive re-write process of the erasing program.

Filling up a hard drive with a temp file doesn't freeze it or destroy it for good. If you have certain OS configurations, it may prevent the PC from booting up, but if it really was just a temp file that got too big, you should be able to re-format the drive and re-install the operating system (assuming it was on the boot drive).

A bigger reason not use such programs is they really don't reliably erase files--definitely not to the extent that professionals couldn't recover them.

- Saki [faqs]

Spew
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334 Posts
7/04
Posted - Aug 17 2004 : 3:45PM
Actually, it did permantly ruin the drive. WinXP doesnt allow me to run a debug and format the drive (and not even use the windows option), I reinstalled the OS 2 times, and it STILL tells me im using all this space. it was directly caused by eraser5.7. and system restore is a joke. also to mention it failed all the drive diagnostics...

Edited by - I spew on my face on 8/17/2004 3:45:36 PM

 
Spew
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7/04
Posted - Aug 17 2004 : 3:47PM
Kperv
The Cuddler

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1818 Posts
1/04
Posted - Aug 17 2004 : 4:26PM
I don't now how low level this Eraser thingie goes to do its job.
Does it go low enough that it might have buggered up the partition table? And does XP have the same problem with foreign partitions as the previous Microsoft OS's?

If so, you might want to try downloading a copy of Knoppix. That's a Linux version that's bootable of the CD.
When you've booted that you could use a Linux version of the partitioning tool fdisk. With that you should be able to clear the partition table properly.

Another solution might be PartitionMagic.

Then you should be able to 'infect' it with Windows again.

Spew
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334 Posts
7/04
Posted - Aug 17 2004 : 4:34PM
i dont know much about the inner-details of eraser, but i feel it has permantly ruined the partition. ive tried similer "restore/clean" methods but it still stands at the same result: a messed up HD.
jamesn
Senior Member

Cambridge, MA
750 Posts
1/04
Posted - Aug 17 2004 : 4:50PM
There's no way you wrote 70gb to a 7200rpm drive in seconds. You've probably got 70gigs of bad sectors, either low-level format it or use your warranty. I assume you've got a maxtor if it's 250gb, possibly a hitachi or western digital....all three companies offer diagnostic programs you'll need to run off a floppy. I can't vouch for how effective they are, but if you need a large drive right now, seagate's the only one with 100gb/platter, and samsung makes good 160gig ones@$99. maxtor is generally garbage, see if dell will give you the option to go with one of the 2 "s" companies.

It's very unlikely any software physically ruined your hd, no commercial program I've heard of can control bearings and spindles or has the option to channel magnetic fields, which it would need to do.

Kperv
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1818 Posts
1/04
Posted - Aug 17 2004 : 4:54PM
Unless it's malware that deliberately erases the drive's firmware it's extremely unlikely to have damaged the drive itself.

If the partition table is ruined, it can easily be rebuilt even if Windows can't do it.

Try PartitionMagic or something similar.

Failing that try a live CD version of Linux.
I've repaired both hard drives and flash discs that had been fucked up so badly that Windows wouldn't touch them.
After a little cleanup with Linux' fdisk they worked fine again. Even under Windows.

jamesn
Senior Member

Cambridge, MA
750 Posts
1/04
Posted - Aug 18 2004 : 12:40AM
If it's just a bad partition, maybe try acronis' stuff--partitionmagic seems to be generating more horror stories than successes since they became a symantec product(meaning it's 3x the size it was and doesn't work as well)

kperv's right(hd problems? try linux, lol--i love linux users), i've only heard of one or two viruses, both from a decade or so ago being able to really, permanently trash hardware. that stuff generally is aimed at infecting large numbers of computers and trashing the host is a bad way to do it.

my advice would be use your warranty since the real solution to 70gb of trashed ntfs sectors is going to be wading through them in a pretty draconian way. storage is cheap anyhow, certainly in the scheme of your setup.

kperv-what are you running btw? i tried the "friendlier" options in the winter and hated them. somehow i ended up with debian, which was worth the learning curve in retrospect, but it may be time to check out what's out there now--any suggestions? fedora is out forever after it decided to make a no-boot out of a dual-boot, but anything else is fair game.

cobalt60
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2046 Posts
2/03
Posted - Aug 18 2004 : 10:37AM
+1 Knoppix!

You guys may also like FreeSBIE.
GNOME desktop, OpenOffice, Ximian Evolution, Firefox browser, very very slick and based on my favorite OS.

Nothing to add to the drive debate - new or not, it sounds fucked to me, too. It has moving parts, right? It happens.

Run whatever diagnostic the manufacturer provides, and when it fails - call them for an RMA number and send it back. Get a new one in 1-2 weeks.

Rather than Eraser or Shred: hide folders from the OS, scramble the folder names, encrypt them, and password-protect.

Look at DriveCrypt and Encrypted Magic Folders. It won't stand up to extreme scrutiny, but it'll stand up to 99.9% of casual attempts to view it.

Unless you're planning to overthrow a government or you're stealing credit card numbers, that should be more than enough peace of mind.

Otherwise, get a Degausser. Bear in mind it renders hard drives useless, but it works.

Kperv
The Cuddler

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1818 Posts
1/04
Posted - Aug 18 2004 : 12:28PM
Linux cures all that ails you or your computer.
Virus? Let the penguin sort it out.
Windows giving you a headache? Try Linux. Better than any aspirin.
Impotence? Forget Viagra, Linux gives any true geek wood.

Worship at the altar of Tux the penguin Buddha.

Slackware.
I started with Linux back in the mid 90's when men were men and getting PPP, mail and news to work under Linux required studying forbidding tomes filled with arcane scriptures.
There are some fine userfriendly distros available these days, but having cut my teeth on Slack and early RedHat I could never get used to relinquishing the total control of the machine that Slackware gives you, or perhaps rather forces upon you. Not for the squeamish, but I like it.

For anyone new to Linux I think SuSE is worth a look.
It's easy to install and maintain, and comes with a truckload of applications. I used SuSE for a while until I yearned for the total dictatorial power I felt I wielded with Slack.

RedHat was good in the olden days. When they got bitten by the lets-make-it-easy bug, they lost me. SuSE does that schtick much better IMHO. Never tried Fedora.

I tried Mandrake but the fonts were somehow fucked up. As it was supposed to be the easiest distro available I wasn't about to forgive any configuration troubles. Out it went, faster than you can say fdisk.

I had a look at Debian but never installed it. The guys at Debian apparently like to make lots of little changes to the applications during packaging. Many distro's do this, but it seems Debian are the worst offenders. Patrick (he of Slack) rarely messes about with the applications.

If you have too much spare time, you might want to try Gentoo. It's claim to fame is that all packages are compiled on and optimised for your own machine. This will yield a faster system, but I just couldn't be arsed to do it. You don't actually get gain any more control over your configuration that way, just a faster system.

As for desktop environments and/or window managers, I'm using KDE.

There are some great mediumweight window managers.
Fvwm is so configurable it's geek heaven. And the source code is quite readable too.
AfterStep is great too.
I used WindowMaker for a while, but around version 0.60 they made some changes that pissed me off. Haven't looked back.

Other desktop environments are XFCE and GNOME.
XFCE is quick and small. Very nice.
GNOME on the other hand I've hated with a passion since version 1.0. Something about it just rubs me up the wrong way. I tried the recent 2.6 just out of curiosity. Worse than ever. A nightmare to install from source, as big and bloated as KDE but boring beyond belief, and where the hell did the configuration options go? And the default options for their filemanager? Aaaargh. What were they thinking?

Something about Fvwm, AfterStep and to some extent XFCE appeals to me. I think they're great. But still KDE's polish beckons me back.
As a programmer, I also like Qt (KDE's widget framework). It's well designed.
KDE's DCOP and KParts are also great. They're pretty much what Microsoft's COM interfaces promised to be, only they are actually usable from C++ programs without causing convulsions.


Whew. Quite a rant. That's what you get for asking me about Linux. Or GNU/Linux as St. Gnucius himself Richard Stallman prefers it.


Edited because Linux apparently also causes bad spelling.

Edited by - Kperv on 8/18/2004 12:31:01 PM

cobalt60
Knuckle Dragger

2046 Posts
2/03
Posted - Aug 18 2004 : 2:55PM
Well, glory be...won't be making a BSD convert outta you, now, will I?
jamesn
Senior Member

Cambridge, MA
750 Posts
1/04
Posted - Aug 18 2004 : 3:52PM
A sincere thanks for that reply, I've heard great things about suse , I think I'm going to take your advice and go with it when I get the motivation and fresh drive. Redhat was my introduction to Linux and almost ended the experiment, Debian isn't perfect, but it made me hopefully learn some fundamentals and lose the training wheels better than something more user-friendly. It's amazingly powerful, but I end up choosing XP out of laziness enough that I'm definetly up for something a little less-geeky. I've been looking for an excuse to put together a dual-opteron setup, can you point me to a decent place to do a little reading about 64-bit-optimized distros? thanks again, it's nice to not have the headaches and zealotry usually associated with figuring out anything linux.
 
Kperv
The Cuddler

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1818 Posts
1/04
Posted - Aug 18 2004 : 3:54PM
OpenBSD? You never know. I'm considering it for some servers. Its security record is quite appealing.

Linux for fancy graphical desktops.
OpenBSD for servers running the absolute minimum required daemons.

Kperv
The Cuddler

*struck
(She slipped)

1818 Posts
1/04
Posted - Aug 18 2004 : 4:11PM
James, I've haven't looked at Intel/AMD 64 yet.
At linuxcd.org they list Fedora, Gentoo, Knoppix, Mandrake and SuSE in AMD64 bit versions.

For distro comparisons try DistroWatch. Very nice site.

jamesn
Senior Member

Cambridge, MA
750 Posts
1/04
Posted - Aug 18 2004 : 10:16PM
I'd already spent some time at distrowatch, but I definetly will check out linuxcd. Part of the obstacle for people who are experienced with windows and considering other options is that it's tough to get a sense of what's really considered legit for information sources. In the wintel world, you pretty much know what channels are trustworthy and what's garbage(everything ziffdavis? lol), being a newbie again isn't in the comfort zone or great for our egos. The prospect of running 64-bit code x2 securely and for half of the cost of a g5 rig is pretty good motivation though, lol. Thanks again for the help, I'll let you know how things go within a few weeks hopefully



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