Of course there's a bit of exaggeration in a performers repertoir. They're not all screaming for real. The more real the better. IMO, it's always better if it sounds real but there are always those that just either go way over the top or just can't carry sounding truly into it off.
That being said, who'd you rate as some of the worst?
As hot as my choices are (and maybe I'll get berated for them), I'd go for:
Teri Weigel. Her screams of "woooo hoooo" always seemed way out of the blue. I was always like "What the heck is she wailing about?" Hotter than hell body-wise. Beautiful woman but the off-timed wailing always turned me off to what could have been otherwise incredible.
Sasha Grey. Yea, please don't kill me (well, in the literary sense anyway, Sasha). I LOVE the dirty talk and she's one of the best ever. The suspension of disbelief just goes out the door sometimes. Too much. Seems too "rehearsed". Over the top to the extreme. Just when I'm getting into the scene, something that comes out of her mouth will just make me laugh. "Take my dirty ass!!!!! Yea. Just like that!! Right there!! Motherfucker!! OH MY GOD!!!" Sound familiar? I still buy every single DVD she makes.
Anyway, what would some of your choices be? I hope this thread isn't taken as mean spirited.
It's so funny you wrote that about her. I read or listened to some interview of hers and she said she writes what she will say the night before she shoots a scene.
Conversely, I've been really into Sunny Lane's performances because she actually seems to genuinely enjoy what's going on.
That scene with Eric was great. She gets so damn sweaty by the end of her scenes. Most girls these days are dry as the Gobi in a sandstorm. The effort Sunny puts in shows.
Porn is a manufactured sexual aid. Yes-I do write dialogue before a scene sometimes. There are other times where I don't. I have been accused of this before I started writing dialogue by fans, and directors who ask if I planned that "line". That is what actually gave me the idea. Before I got in porn someone called the cops on me because naturally I am loud, everyone is different. Once there is something inside of me a switch goes on and I become a beast. I have stated before that psychological play is very important to me...especially if I find out the night before who I am working with and I know that the performer is lazy, I want something that will shake that person up, I want a reaction! I want it to feel the best it can, and I want the audience to stay enticed. What about the intros where they have us girls stating,"I've never had anal sex...I'm the babysitter," or... I'm walking home from work and getting picked up next to a dumpster. It's a grey scale of fakeness. F for Fake indeed.
Well said, Sasha. 16Valve's avatar kind of reminded me of a good analogy. "Professional Wrestling" is, as everyone knows, fake. Now there are times when the "actors" bleed (whether through actually getting cut, or using razors to cut themselves). The blood is real in these cases even though the "match" is rigged.
In porn, the sex is real in that there is actual penetration. It's all entertainment in the end, so take it with a grain of salt. Yes, I enjoy it more when it at least appears the perfomers (ladies in particular) are enjoying themselves, but most are doing it for the money. (I know, I know...gasp, shock and horror).
And then there's the personal taste side of things...I personally would enjoy watching 50 Sasha Grey scenes before I'd watch one Sunny Lane scene. But that's more to do with my own tastes. So, to each his own. Don't over-analyze it, just take your dick in hand and get off to what/who you enjoy getting off to.
This is going to sound like a miracle, coming from me, but it really depends on how they do it. I usually hate fake shit but some girls are good at it. Some girls do and say things that are obviously fake but it's just hot the way they do it. They know how to put on a good show.
You could always tell when Jasmin St. Claire wasn't feeling a scene... which was just about every one except a few in "A Week in the Life." She was still so hot and nasty (at least for the time), that I think she belongs among the all-time great.
Who cares if its faked or not, as long as it comes off real.
This thread kind of reminds me of that Casey Parker thread where the debate was if she was really a college student who wrote Shane's World or not. Who the fuck cares as long as she does her job, after all, some people here forget porn is an actual job.
If Sasha writes out dirty things to say while getting fucked, so be it. She comes off real to me and it helps people get into her work.
Eva Angelina screams too much for me and kills the scene for me sometimes. She is still a great looking girl. Sasha Grey is for me a total natural a true goddess who only gets better. When is the Awakening of Sasha Grey coming out?
Yeah but at least her dirty talk is hawt...faked or not.
While I generally think the vast majority of on-screen orgasms are faked, the fakest sounding belong to Hillary Scott IMO. I can only watch her scenes with the sound turned off....just annoys me otherwise.
Misty May, some can fake it some can't. I'm not sure if shes faking it or shes high as a kite.
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Posted - May 23 2007 : 12:30PM
I so agree with the over exaggeratedness of Eva Angelina. She's great eye candy and looks great giving head, but watch her sometimes 2 seconds into reverse cowgirl. Way to contrived to remotely be sexy.
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Posted - May 23 2007 : 12:40PM
I may not be important if it is fake, but for my taste, it needs to "feel" or "look" like it is real. I guess they call it acting.
Weather it is porn or real life, I get off if the girl does. It is hard for me to enjoy watching a "dead fish".
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Posted - May 23 2007 : 12:45PM
You obviously care, and that is probably 80% of the battle. That you give your scenes some thought only goes to show that you are not "mailing" it in.
Nobody bats a 1000, but that you try is important.
Well, Mila Shegol was such a freak show that the naturalness of the scene was never the point in the first place. With her you just sat back and shook your head in disbelief.
It's not like she would naturally fit into another movie. You wouldn't watch her in some gonzo movie and be like Ok there's Marie Luv's scene, there's Melissa Lauren's scene, there's Missy Monroe's scene, now let's watch Mila Shegol's scene. If you are in the mood for Mila you just put in her movie, skip to her scene if there even are scenes that don't feature her, and let your jaw drop in disbelief.
Mila probably wouldn't be so shocking today since a lot of the circus like stuff she pioneered is now considered somewhat normal. Lots of girls do double anal, ass to mouth and internal anal now. Of course, I don't think there any any ass artists currently working, so she still has that.
Probably after she is so far gone that nobody will be awakened by this flick.
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Posted - May 23 2007 : 9:23PM
Well maybe when there's no originality and you're saying whatever you heard someone else say prior to you, who earned fame/success for it....it's bound to come out as manufactured and fake at times. Anyways, I feel that if a girl is really as nasty and perverted as she claims...dirty shit comes to her mind itself and she'll say it without thinking. There shouldn't be a need for pre-planning or writing down how i am gonna say take my shit-hole next morning. Anyways, just my opinion...I'm sure there are people out there who even enjoy pre-planned dirty talk.
p.s. You guys might wanna pick up some dvds of a certain Ex Spiegler girl and notice the lines she used in her dirty talk...and see just how very similar the lines are being used by Sasha G. People loved her for it cuz it seemed coming to her naturally, and didn't seem fake or pre-planned. Just my opinion..you guys see, compare and decide yourselves. Originality is key to being good at something, that's what I think.
Edited by - ArinsystmaticX on 5/24/2007 5:55:59 PM
All the "lines" anyone uses are basically the same. That's part of the reason it sounds canned anytime a girl uses them without really feeling it. It's like blues lyrics, more about how you say it than what you actually say. Generally, it can be annoying and distracting, but when someone does it well, it's killer. The problem for me is when someone kicks off EVERY scene like that. BUT: The other thing is, they call it role "play" for a reason ... no one, no matter what, really IS that every waking moment, not this side of a Psych Ward. It's a mindset, a game, a flow, a possession.
Here's a memo: “The only performance that makes it, that really makes it, that makes it all the way, is the one that achieves madness."
Yeah, allow me to also chime in as well. Eva Angelina is a gorgeous girl, but its way over the top sometimes. But I do like her enthusiasm and her looks drive me wild so she is still one of my favourites.
Just like acting: the good ones fake it so good you forget that it's fake.
I don't think I've watched a porno with the volume turned up for years. Too much screaming coming out of a million different dispassionate faces waiting for their check.
hummmm! i have to say i totally disagree! i like it when the girls dirty talk! not just generic repetitive "fuck me" but really exciting talk about what is happening in the scene. listen to bree olson to hear it done well!
of course it is contrived, all porn is contrived...porn is not a documentary of real sex, it is a performance done for the viewers pleasure. so it is pretty well moot what is real or not! it is about good performance or bad performance.....a chick like bree olson is a great performer
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Posted - May 27 2007 : 3:14PM
You have nailed it. It is not so much what is said, it is that the vocalizations do not often match the action. Listening to a girl scream while she is getting fucked and doing hers nails at the same time, does not do anything for me.
Sometimes the sexiest sounds are low muffled moans, groans and grunts.
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Posted - May 27 2007 : 3:24PM
I am with you, I LOVEEE dirty talk when it's done right and looks real. The great examples of that, with their own different styles would be.....
Jenna Haze (amazingly sexy) Taryn Thomas (really dirty, aggressive, yet very believable) Kinzie Kenner (really sweet, n sexy) Tory Lane (GREAT!) Ariana Jollee (Awesome aggressive dirty talk)
A scene is 10 times better when a gorgeous girl is talking dirty, but doing it right! Probably with Sasha Grey is that she lacks expressions on her face and she looks at the camera too much while talking dirty. Lack of facial expressions are one of the biggest reasons her dirty talk seems too fake and not natural. On the other problem with Mia Rose...a really good performer, but in a lot of her scenes seems out of touch and bored...because she gets too shy to talk I guess and is always too quiet.
Edited by - ArinsystmaticX on 5/29/2007 2:07:39 AM
I enjoy vocal sex, just not rehearsed dialogue or conversation, in porn movies.
There are exceptions: Lauren Phoenix, for example, is a master of sexy ad libs. It enhances the performance in her case. Bree Olson's quite pretty for a porn star and already a top performer, but I think she tries too hard with the commentary sometimes.
welll all i can say is again i very much disagree...especially when it comes to bree. bree, go right ahead and keep up the commentary about how deep the dick is going in your pussy and how nice it feels and how you like its shape and please sir can you have some more etc. etc. i love it!!!!
Not only is there that detachment or disinterest, but there is also the more ubiquitous "tension" facial expression giveaways. The performer is screaming all sorts of orgasmic superlatives, but meanwhile she's got constant deep vertical furrows between her eyebrows (most assuredly not an expression of pleasure or enjoyment) and her other facial muscular contractions strongly suggest discomfort. The true believers see a woman being pushed gloriously over the top (or at least doing a convincing act), I see someone who looks like she's having an ingrown toenail dug out. I see this in newbies and in experienced performers, alike.
Now, it doesn't help that so much porn featuring American women involves the lady being tossed around like a rag doll (the Eastern European gals are far less tolerant of that crap, God bless 'em) which can only hurt the chances of putting across a convincing performance. What I would like to see is an attempt to introduce a more erotic element to all types of porn, be it the more vanilla variety or even the more "extreme" kind. I'm not talking about the tired, slo-mo, artsy, Kenny G like jazz-scored "erotica", but rather an effort to emulate the types of interactions one can find in good amateur productions (and, hopefully, one's own experiences :)).
I'll give you an example of a scene that I found very erotic despite the fact that the lady's performance was probably no more genuine than the millions of others out there. In the final scene of Pierre Woodman's "House of Love", Czech cutie Meridian takes on a group of guys in an anal, dp-laden sex fest (we're not exactly talking Emmanuelle in Bangkok territory, here). Actually, I'll quote from a good review I found by Niklas Zypher: "But best of all (and last of all) is Meridiane's scene. She takes on Titof, and after a while three more men. Meridiane (***) is as skilled a lover as anyone I ever saw. She brings every part of her body into play: she gyrates on top of a cock, she sucks a dick the way it's supposed to be sucked, she gives coy, sexy, expectant and surprised looks, and she even beckons with her tongue." That pretty much sums it up and encapsulates how a scene that is far from tame sex-act wise ( and one which was directed by someone whose scenes tend to be cold and mechanical) nevertheless contained a sexy, erotic element.
In more current fare, I really enjoy scenes featuring Czech brunette Victoria Rose. She's cute, energetic, and has the tendency to flash a bright, genuine smile at her partner from time to time. That kind of interaction really heats up a scene for me even if the overall performance is subject to the same kind of mechanical pacing as the rest. As far as American performers go, my favorite has to be Jasmine Byrne. She brings a lot of cheerful energy to her performances and manages to have a certain chemistry with her performers even when the action is of the knock-down-drag-out sort. Sure it's a put-on like all the rest, but a much more engaged, natural one at that.
lol i just happened to mention that scene in another thread.....the one about male performers accidentally getting cum on each other lol!! did u notice during the money shots at the end the guy who cums first drips onto the guy who is underneath meridian fucking her pussy? you can see the poor guy turn his face away and try to concentrate on fucking her. hehehehe it must have sucked......but i agree otherwise a hot scene
i'm very aural when it comes to sexual activities. (hi everyone, i'm Max (spieglergirl) and i just joined in today). the more natural, the better. i found a lot of the performers are "creative" with the things they say, different and almost original. i've always believed in being real, doing what you naturally like and having fun with the situation, which is all very conducive when doing scenes, to me atleast. i've heard some directors/producers express how nice it is for them to work with someone who doesn't rush to do the scenes, the ones some of you have mentioned who just do it for the money, the ones who fake it. i'm straight and i love (watching the guy) listening to how the guy makes "sounds" and how he talks to me, emphasis on the word "how". not all dirty angry talk turn me on or off. its the way it's said and what is used to say it, like the eyes, gestures or some kind of body-use.
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Posted - May 31 2007 : 3:51PM
I don't think it takes a genius to work out girls like bree olson are faking it in their scenes but i also don't think that makes them bad at their jobs. She could either be faking joy at what she's doing or be like another allie sin and show you just how bored she really is.
+1 I love Riley Shy but I think she sometimes ventures into over-the-top territory. I'd love to see her more sensual and less vocal, if that makes any sense.
I am a big fan of lesbian porn and there are a load of fakers in that. Some of the fakers fool a lot of people but they don't fool me. They fake because they pretend to like pussy, but I know it's only gay for pay. No names mentioned. ;)
Krystal Steal used to be awful. In her first years she seemed too "off" then started to moan and sounded so fake that would turn down anyone. (Also not anal, not even asslick, hated cumshots, hated cum in her mouth, lame blowjobs, only 2 scenes with more than 1 guy, and so on... too bad for such a hot girl)