In the past, Heather Hunter and Chelsea Sinclair were contract stars for Vivid. Monique for Extreme Associates (right?).

Dick, Tiffany Mason was rebaptized as Taya when she worked for Vivid.




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I could see Ayana Angel and Monique at Evil Angel, however I would prefer to see Jada Fire with Platinum X, the girl has shined in some of their releases.

Maybe we could get Jewel and Tricia Devereaux on the case. Or at least in this thread.

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honestly doesn't make me much difference whether or not they sign with the grand daddy of all porn companies, Evil Angel, because JSP and his crew is using women like Ayana and Jada to their fullest

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Yes, I want to see Ayana Angel receive a contract and I don't care as a fan if it takes her out of circulation.

I read once were Ayana felt she was promised a contract from Video Team, yet it didn't come to fruition, thus I know she wants financial security. I mean who wouldn't.

I'm a porn fan, yet I would like to see black talent other than Justin Slayer and Lex Steele gain financial security because it's the rightous thing and perhaps in the end it will make for a better product if the talent had security.

Look how the Evil Angel signing of Justin Slayer has given their company a new dimension (more color). Signing Ayana Angel or Jada Fire could only expand any company's outlook.

I realize it's a judgment call though and I'm not an owner. Just a fan.

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I doubt that the percentage of white female performers who have had contracts in pornoland varies that much from the percentage of black female performers. We are, after all, talking about a very small number in either case.

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"-I doubt that the percentage of white female performers who have had contracts in pornoland varies that much from the percentage of black female performers. We are, after all, talking about a very small number in either case"

Are you serious? The number of black women with contracts will NEVER get close to the number of white girls with contracts. And the few companies that were handing them out only promoted us if we had enough crossover appeal in their eyes. Proof of that was is Ayana Angel who was supposed to have a contract with VT and they announced it themselves. Then she just disappeared. Yet they kept promoting India and Lacey?? A company known for shooting the best soft "hardcore" porn get's a real porn girl like Ayana and chooses to promote the thinner models who are basically "point and go" girls who don't bring half of the skill of Ayana on their best day? Then the next thing you see on her site is " Ayana is quitting porn altogether"?? Thank goodness for EA getting her to sign this year at AVN and we now have our harcore honey back in the game but VT really screwed that one up.
BTW, exactly where is Tiffany Mason or Taya cause she sure hasn't been on any recent Vivid advertisements with all of the other girls? Maybe she was in the dressing room still reading her contract??.......

Hardware, if you think you are right about your statement then please post the list of black and white contract stars EVER, and if that list is even I will shut up and relax in the comfort of total sexual equality..........
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Note: when you are making this list please be sure the black women you name really had a contract and not a "promissory handshake".

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- And trust me I am very relaxed when I say something like that, no anger towards you at all, Hardware. I just want to be sure no one really thinks the black/white scales are even. And after all this time too. And before you say i'm being to sensitive about this remember it's been girls like Briana Banks, Mercedez and her Vivid crew that go on shows like Howard Stern and speak so freely about their lamo decisions to not do IR. (some fan base mumbo-jumbo??) Or are they afraid they might get out-fucked by the likes of someone like Jada Fire, Ayana Angel or Marie Luv?
I will gladly have a coke and a smile and shut the hell up the day chicks like that wanna have a championship dick-sucking, pussy-eating, anal-stretching IR face-off with ANY of today's black talent male or female.
Okay, I'm done. Back to watching Jerry Springer and reading more of the PocketComb Pimps' reviews ........

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P.S. I may already be wrong because I'm yet to see the scene you did with Jada Fire

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I'm not sure if you really disagree with my point our we're simply talking past each other. You suggest that 10 black women may have been under contract versus 100 white women. If we accept that, do you think that 1 to 10 is about the ratio of black women in porn versus white women? If so, then my point regarding the percentage who get contracts stands.

As for black performers out-fucking white contract performers, I decline to make comparisons; let me just say that I'm happy to watch you fuck any day.

PS - And don't be ragging on my girl India!

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Dvd Wishes, I agree with you, Justin is doin' tha damn thing. And truthfully I think I'd need to bring a lunch and a nurse to keep up with him and his crew........and a heart monitor! But someday I WILL put my hat into the ring with Slayer, it's on my Xmas wish list.

And Hardware, perhaps you are correct about the buyers not wanting to buy some of the ethnic product but could that be based on the store owners /distributors decision to purchase the cheaper-priced catalog product based on his lack of knowledge toward the ethnic side of the industry?
And yes you are right when you say the ratios of black females to white who are ACTIVELY working in porn are 1 to 10. That is highly probable but trust me when I say that is not our choice......it is due to our lack of choices.
West Coast Productions is not growing hot black girls in their backyard ya know.
But I promise to help bring more nasty white girls together with black/latin/asian/ green /orange/and pink pussy to a tv set near you! I promise! I promise! We all need to just shut the hell up and suck a few good dicks! I personally would love to see JM productions do a violation video with a hottie like Persia! Whew that would be beautiful to see Ashly Blue & dirty little Roxy Jezel on top of Persia swappin spit and slit lickin........

BTW, Hardware, thank you for the verbal exchange! You may have saved my last 15 brain cells. I think I'll use them to put the batteries back in my vibrator, time to do a little QC on my porno collection and make sure my dvd's are working correctly!!

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1. Where is Taya? Who knows. Tiffany Mason (aka Taya) and Vivid mutually ended their relationship when Mason opted not to re-sign with Hirsch and his crew after her one-year contract expired late last year. Whoever said that in the past she once also had a contract with Patrick Collins' Elegant Angel is 100% correct. The last time I saw Taya was in Vivid's "Watch Me."

2. Personally, I couldn't care less about "contract" girls or the color of their skin. I wish there were no such thing as contracts honestly so that we, as fans, could get all the pairings we want to see without those sorts of things in the way. Contracts are only good for the business of the companies who have girls under exclusive contracts and for the financial security of the girls under contract; other than that, it sort of sucks for the fans of the product. Contracts, to me, spell automatic "limitations" and I don't like handcuffs on my porn. I want girls to be free to work with whomever for whatever company.

3. Yeah, it was screwed up what VT did to Ayana (and she FAR from "disappeared after that incident) but having spoken to Ayana on several occasions this weekend, she's as upbeat and happy as ever with her career. So if she's pleased, why are fans who know absolutely nothing about her still up in arms and complaining about something that she's long been over?

4. Evil Angel signing Justin Slayer doesn't mean anything...EA signs exclusive DIRECTORS, not performers last I checked, so I wouldn't hold my breath hoping or wishing for them to sign anyone, black or white, to an exclusive peformer contract.

5. Vanessa, you only read Pocketcomb Pimp's reviews? What about MINE, dammit! By the way, sorry I didn't get a chance to holla at ya (and I was at the Hustler booth plenty , coincidentally) this past weekend but you looked amazing as usual.

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I wish more girls would have their sexual appetite and energy. Keep rockin', girls!

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Having said that I know 1 day the addiction will break and a flood of beautiful black women are going to return to Porn. When that day comes I will be waiting with open arms.

The only CURRENT black girl with a contract that I'm aware of is the Tyra lookalike at JKP, but lets face it without the Tyra gimmick she wouldn't have that contract. The only active black girl that I think could follow in the footsteps of say Dee in years past having a solid contract is Mya Lovely. This female is 1 of the HOTTEST females in Porn today Black, White, Green, or Purple. For some reason she doesn't get the hype that the Jada Fire types get.

I had hopes of getting to meet Mya at AVN this year. I had heard she would likely be there, but if she was I missed her.

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I remember back when I was in high school and there was this HUGE to-do about the movie Jason's Lyric . the studio who released it got all scared when the MPAA decided they were going to give it an NC-17 rating because there was a scene in it where a black couple fucked like they were Sharon Stone and Michael Douglas in Basic Instinct .

there was nothing out of the ordinary about the scene. no dildos used and it wasn't a threesome. there was just no prior information for those who watched the scene to go off of. you may see it all the time in R rated movies, but in that case it was a black couple, something none of them had probably NEVER seen before, and they thought it was just too graphic .

the movie was never promoted currently and because of the NC-17, and other factors it died a quick death. I saw it, as well as a lot of people in the black community, and I enjoyed it. the positive message could've been another reason it was rushed out of theaters so quickly.

now ... the same thing I stated above goes for the porn industry as well. there is NO history, long standing or otherwise, of any type of decent or respectable black porn. you can go get a dictionary and look up the words decent and respectable all you want but there is none there to be found. the only thing that there is to compare with are bottom basement amatuer pornos like the ones produced by everyone these days. you have a weak or non-existent plot that keeps no one interested, and the players in the film are less then atttactive.

when the owner or owners of an adult shop get one of these movies in, and take in mind that they might not even be comfortable watching them, they're going to think why should I buy this. the picture quality is like a home movie. the camera angle looks like it came from a security camera at the McDonald's on Crenshaw. on top of all of this the male performer in it, who was probably billed as "the Destroyer" in the opening credits, is too "real" for them. if they buy this movie at all it is going to go in the back of the shop or most likely in the bargin cart.

that was all then, and this is now, however ... you still have that past hurdle to get over. you've seen probably one black film or scene itself and it was horrible. but to every movie like that you've seen with "others" in it you probably own 40-50 movies that can top it any day of the week. so you're a person of color--scratch that, black individual, in the adult industry and you see this trend. what incentive do you have to stick around and make a career at it?

there have been a lot of good black performers who have come and gone because of this. and you can make all the quality films you want, but if no one is distrubting them and the word isn't out there then they won't be seen.

I applaude what EA did with Justin Slayer because they looked at his body of work and said, this guy is gonna' bring in a lot of money as well as make some quality movies. they didn't point to him and said, yes, we can just this black guy in here for a PR campaign. if you haven't seen his work then I pity you for your close mindedness. Justin and those who come after him and are inspired by him are going to give a nice edge to the industry. hopefully with this there will be no more scenes by other companies with black performers in them where they are shot in a basement some where and the lighting is horrible. freakin' Jules Jordan showed how smokin' Jada and Vanessa look in the open and in the middle of the day with sun on their skin. NOT in a barely lit room because you don't want the colors to contrast.

one more time, I applaude those who are doing it now, because I was ready to pick up a camera and do it my damn self. forget the contracts. just let them perform.

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Which kinda sucks for the viewers of the porn videos. I don't think (a lack of) contracts is the reason, though.

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I didn't labor on Ayana Angel and Video Team's disagreement to come to contract terms - nor did I once criticize Video Team, Evil Angel, Platinum X or any other production house in this entire topic.

I also didn't raise the black and white issue or question why more black women aren't under contract. I created the topic because I wanted to know who was under contract and to promote two of my favorites Ayana Angel and Jada Fire.

Yes, I'm pro talent and would love to see more black women in the industry with a contract and financial security. Is that a crime? If so I'm guilty as sin. I care about people and unlike some porn fans I see pornstars as people and not just mere cum dumpsters.

Back to Ayana. I'm glad to hear Evil Angel signed her to a contract. I truly feel if a company properly markets Ayana, Jada or Vanessa with true conviction it could overcome some of the racial biases and preferences Hardware spoke of in his post.

And Crucifixio Jones if you think Evil Angel hired Justin Slayer for his directing skills - and not is dick - you're sadly mistaken. And, yes Justin Slayer's hiring did make a difference. It opened the door for Boz and others to work with Evil Angel, one of the best companies in the business.
Only good can come from that in the end for the talent as well as the customer.

Note: In 2003 I didn't have a single Evil Angel title in my library. But since Justin Slayer signed with Evil Angel and Jada, Ayana, Monique and Vanessa appeared in some hot Evil Angel releases, I've become an Evil Angel fan and consumer.

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Judge talent and films on their merit, not a generalization.
Often times I rent white on white titles that you all here were glowing about, only to be disappointed, yet I wouldn't return to adultdvdtalk to suggest to all that white porn is an inferior product because I had an unpleasant experience.

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Black Reign 3 was one of my favorite releases in 2004, and I truly enjoyed you in Women of Color 3. That white outfit you worn was you.

Jada and you were the best thing in Ass Worship 6. And yes, I would take Jada, Ayana, Monique and you in a fuck contest any day of the week.

Sorry, Katja Kassin.

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And guys, there are alot of black girls! But if West Coast and JSP are the only companies that will pay us on time, love the big asses with the cellulite in all, and put us to work with attractive guys then you will always be led to believe that there aren't many of us. And it really sucks that a girl like Jada Fire can do anal and be spoken of as being "shot out" in 6 months. How, when she still hasn't worked with everyone and at least 15-30 times like everyone else get's to? When am I gonna get to screw people like Manuel Ferrara, Toni Ribas, Kurt Lockwood or Rocco?! ( I know Rocco is a fantasy but let me have this one please!) Apparently, those scenes are only gonna happen in my dreams or if I shoot it.....wait a minute?!........

And DVD wishes thanks for the Jason's Lyric history....didn't know that but I'm not surprised by it either. I'm still trying to figure out why everyone tripped on that football commercial with the black football player and the naked white girl.......What's the fuss???Who cares anyway it was a friggin commercial !
Crucifixio- I'm sorry I will read your reviews from here on out. I just think PocketComb is really funny sometimes......Plus he always let's me watch him jerk off through his bedroom window. And he doesn't even call the police on me!!

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I should get in touch with Justin and see if he'd be up for shooting a feature film. of course a good ass script would be involved and I know just where to find a writer to do it

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Do you really doubt that Jules Jordan could do very will with a title featuring black females? I don't recall any great cries of outrage over Vanessa and Jada being in the latest Ass Worship. On the contrary, I've heard nothing but good things about their scene.

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Didn't JSP fold up like a year ago? Also I think WCP is becoming a lot more IR than black on black.

As far as a black performer quota.... Of course there isn't. I know this might be hard for you, but there will always be white male performers. As long as they are there black male performers won't be able to do all the scenes in porn. Without black male performers doing ALL the scenes it's not possible for black girls to get the same opportunities as WF/BM IR.

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Crucifixio Jones are you serious? This entire board excludes black female talent in almost every motherfuckin discussion here. Does that mean posters here are attempting to alienate the blacks on the board?

Negro get serious.

And Crucifixio Jones I can't believe you wrote the following:

"While you may care about the overall plight of blacks in the industry, don't act like some holy crusader who only cares about "pornstars as people" and nothing more."

Oh, now I'm captain save a hoe and a troll? Damn. It's like that now.

Crucifixio Jones aren't you the same person who went on and on about how you resented Justin Slayer's so called hoodlum image of a black man in your Phatty Girls 4 review. You're also the same reviewer who wrote, "My next quibble with “black” porn would be the women. It has nothing to do with the color of their skin or how attractive they may or may not be. It comes down to one thing and that’s performance. So few black female performers are willing to go the extra mile on camera and frankly, I find that watching them isn’t worth my time."

Wait there's more from our Crucifixio Jones. "Cherokee has an equally beautiful face but an almost disgustingly huge backside. It‘s just too big and not firm at all, the cottage cheese and cellulite shaking even when she‘s not moving."

Just for the above statement you should have your ghetto papers yanked.

Crucifixio Jones I'll pick a hole in every half ass nickel argument you made in your post, but frankly you ain't worth it.

Note: CJ I still think you're one of the best posters and reviewers here, no matter what you think of my position in regard to this topic. And no matter what I think of your position or views towards me, it can't take away you know your shit in regard to porn, but man it don't always make you right, no matter how fuckin right you think you are. You wear your cocky attitude well, but man the shit gets old after awhile.

Note: I misunderstood Vanessa about Evil Angel signing Ayana Angel.

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First off, I am well aware that there are now and always will be a TON of white male performers in porn. Contrary to what you and anyone else who doesn't like to watch black male performers may believe, most B/G scenes involve white male talent. In fact, I beg you to check out the filmographies of the so-called "interracial queens." Even they do the vast majority of their B/G scenes with white guys. The fact that you are upset about women filming "too much IR" is ridiculous.

JSP did not fold, Justin Slayer is under contract with Evil Angel. Despite the fact that WCP and JSP put out that horrible, horrible IR stuff, they shoot a lot of black women. Lexington Steele does too. You would know this if you did the slightest bit of research on their movies. How you can blame male performers for this situation is beyond me.

I was not blaming the lack of press that black women get on performers that won't work with them. I was just wondering if there are any other performers/directors like Rocco who have publicly expressed reservations about working with them. I do blame the state of the black female performers in porn on the fans and the way that the industry is structured. As far the fans go, I think the majority of people that purchase all-black productions are black which means they are a minority of the fans. I also think that the fans who want to see BM/WF IR are a hell of a lot more vocal than the fans who want to see BF/WM IR. I'm also willing to venture that BM/WF outperforms the opposite in sales. As far as the structure of the industry goes, most of the focus is on the women. You see the same guys in most of the movies, but different women. There aren't nearly enough black women in the industry to balance the number of BM/WF scenes with BF/WM males. I also think that fans who want to see black women get more exposure should not attack BM/WF IR scenes because (as you yourself admitted AC) there is no quota on black performers appearing in porn and there is a sizable market for the latter. Why can't we have both?

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The white and black debate occured when Vanessa Blue took exception to Hardware's comments. They kissed and resolved the non-issue within two or three posts.

Now the likes of AC Cream wants to make it an interracial discussion.

I have nothing else to add. If I offened anyone including you CJ, it wasn't my intent and sorry about my previous fiery response. You caught me on a bad night. Once again, sorry to all I offended.

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I recently bought My baby got back 30 because Ayana Angel herself told me it had ATOGM in it. However Kitten was the only one doing it and she was lackluster. WTF!!!

I thought Vanessa, Jada Fire,etc. Was gonna bring the nasty back to Black porn, but I guess not. I say these things cause I love my black porn stars more than the rest. I personally feel black girls are sexier than any other girls in the world. Which is why I'm so disappointed that they're letting their white counterparts monopolize the industry. Before any other comparisons can be made in terms of money, contracts, movie deals, etc.. the level of performance must be equal too (In every way!)

Vanessa you want to start a coalition with Melissa Lauren?

First stick a bat up your ass like Meliisa so it'll be a coalition of the willing!!!!

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a beautiful mind - Obviously I've misunderstood your intentions and for that I apologize. It's happened before. My being critical of black talent and Slayer will be something I always do because I AM black so perhaps even at the risk of being unfair, I hold us to a different standard. I'm not a "hater" and I've come around on Slayer and his BPL posse not just because of their work but in speaking with Justin himself and HJ this past weekend, they really opened my eyes on what they're trying to do over there at EA and what they've done in general in the past. If you read my review, I ask myself, "Can Justin be like this in real life?" The answer is yes and I can't hate on that. My problem was if it was a "gimmick." I can assure you now that it is not. New respect was gained for the brothers over the past weekend.

Lastly I appreciate and respect the props and having you as a fan of my posts and my reviews. Again, I apologize if I came off as cocky or arrogant.

DenverDon - Despite being a tad "off topic", I think an interesting discussion broke out here that only went off on a slight tangent from the original question posed; the ensuing debate still related to the topic at hand. If a mod is going to step in and threaten to lock every thread because they veer off-track even a little in favor of a discussion a tad more heated and compelling, I shudder to think about the future of this message/discussion board. I, for one, would feel uncomfortable posting here for fear of having my cyber-hand slapped over something that silly. Some things you just have to let go unless it gets COMPLETELY out of hand or TOTALLY off-topic. I don't consider this one of those times.

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I was simply trying to add to the topic about why there is only 1 active black female with a current contract.

DD,

I'm with CJ. If this thread didn't go off topic it would have died after 3 posts. The only answer to the original post is the Tyra lookalike at JKP.

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Having said that, I can't of course speak for Denver since AFAIK we don't have a special moderators-only clubhouse supplied with all the free porn we can eat.

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besides which it doesn't matter if this thread is closed or not. Justin Slayer and his crew are already picking up a great deal of that slack, and actually listening to and taking fan suggestions ... what a novel idea.

I think the best is yet to come once he gets his ass out to the East Coast and starts putting on film what a lot of the other directors are afraid to. then we'll actually see how many black women start getting contracts

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