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upsux
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Emma Starletto up next
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GREAT CHOICE!
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Cassie Clark is a performer that Blacked Raw should look into, she is fine as hell brunette with a curvy body.
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^ I've never seen or heard of Cassie Clark before.
 
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^^Your suggestion implies that she would be willing but you will have to point me where in her porn career she has given you any indication that she is even interested in shooting for major porn studios.

^Take a look at her Indexxx page to see a reason for why you might never have heard of a UK based performer who doesn't do a whole lot of hardcore stuff.

https://www.indexxx.com/m/cassie-clarke

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Yeah!
She has a nice PHAT ass
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Cassie Clark did a Lady Voyeur video with a black porn star in a non-sex video, but she later did hardcore scene with a different performer in a non interracial scene. I think she is starting to get into hardcore something like what Maitland Ward was able to do. On Modelhub, she only did light hardcore, I believe more would come later on.
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Cassie Clark could be like formerpornstar Taylor Wayne, who did some softcore before heading into the hardcore realm. If the big studio give her chance, her interracial debut would be amazing. That's my opinion.

Edited by - JERICHO11 on 1/30/2020 9:18:24 PM

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Any guesses on the next update? Looks like a blonde.
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No need for guessing: source code says it's Skylar Vox.
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I'm noticing a trend with models who are doing their first anal on tushy/tushyraw ,and then their first interracial on blacked/blackedraw not vice versa. I really hope this trend is short lived.
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If they're doing both sites then why does it matter which is released first?
jack1willis
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I really don't support performers who do a bunch of anal before doing a interracial scene.

Edited by - jack1willis on 2/2/2020 12:20:13 AM

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Posted - Feb 2 2020 : 1:08AM
It shouldn't. There's a lot of talents from tushy vixen etc that I wish would jump to blackedraw.

Skylar Vox is next. Not a fan of her... But nice body. Can't make out male talent. He has tatt on upper left arm, and doesn't seem too hung from the strokes- maybe prince yashua- hope not though.

 
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If they were smart about it they'd get the sites and models in a rotation, the talent line up this past year has been the drizzling shits. They already know what the models are willing to do in a shoot so why not line up a Blacked, Tushy, Vixen, /Raw release schedule to maintain a shred of consistency. It doesn't need to be all in a row, but a week or so apart so the site group and model are getting three-four months of mutual attention and play on social media.

As it stands they *might* have an actual star model release every few months then nothing notable for several months and all the while in between it's nonsense with subpar repeats, Euro retreads, and no-names that aren't even worth pirating.

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I tend to agree with you but sometimes (at least for these sites) It's not the performer's fault. Sometimes the release schedule is just out of order. Like for example the very first scene that Naomi Swann ever shot was her Blacked scene with Jax. But for some reason it didn't release until a month after her Tushy scene and 2 months after her Vixen scene. So I say it's fair to give them the benefit of the doubt as long as they eventually show up on the Blacked sites.

Edited by - riptide87 on 2/2/2020 7:46:51 AM

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It's not. Blacked is no longer their flagship site and the interracial sites are playing second fiddle these days. You'll routinely see the biggest stars and hottest newbies performing first and more regularly for their other sites than for the interracial ones.

Blacked has lost exclusivity and prominence. Occasionally they throw the IR sites a bone but don't bank on seeing someone like Skylar Vox on the interracial sites regularly in future.

E.g. Emily Willis and Naomi Swann made their debuts on Blacked a month after debuting on Tushy. Since then, they've filmed just 7 scenes on Blacked & Raw between them, including 1 threesome and 1 foursome. Whereas they've filmed 22 scenes for the other sites, including 13 anal, 10 threesomes, 2 foursomes and 1 orgy.

Gabbie Carter made her debut on Blacked after shooting a few scenes for Tushy, TushyRaw and Deeper. In the 5 months since, she's appeared in another 4 scenes for the other sites. Currently ratio stands at 8 scenes to 1 against the IR sites.

Even Tori Black, who was exclusive to Lansky's network and throughout her career was a standard bearer for shooting IR equally and not dodging, was only given a measly 4 scenes for the IR sites, including 1 anal and 1 threesome, whereas they shot her 16 times for the other sites, including 7 anal, 7 threesomes and an orgy.

There's nobody that I can think of since Kendra Sunderland starting all the way back in 2016 who has been given the sort of equal or greater star status on the IR sites as on their other sites.

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you realize that there are 2 IR sites and 5 others? You also compare them as a whole , Of course those five get more scenes than just two
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2 IR sites and 4 others actually, you're right comparisons are odious
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Does the network still sign women to exclusive IR contracts? That could easily explain why someone like Gabbie Carter or Naomi Swann might not have done IR outside the network months after their Blacked or Blacked Raw Debut. Alix Lynx still hasn't done IR anywhere else yet but I have seen her do B/G on other sites.

Edited by - twodirection on 2/2/2020 2:57:03 PM

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Doesn't matter. The imbalance exists even if you only take into account Vixen & Tushy or in Gabbie Carter's case just Deeper and Vixen.

E.g.
Tori Black shot 15 of those 16 scenes for Vixen and Tushy, compared to just 4 on the two IR sites.
Emily Willis has shot 9 scenes for Vixen & Tushy, compared to just 4 for the IR sites.
Naomi Swann has shot 5 scenes for Vixen & Tushy compared to just 3 for the IR sites.
Gabbie Carter has shot 6 scenes for Deeper & Vixen and only 1 IR scene.

The additional scenes from the other sites just make the obvious bias against the IR sites more stark.

And their scenes for those sites all exhibit a greater variety than on the IR sites.

But I'm sure there are a ton of examples of big stars and hot newbies who have recently shot 5, 6, 9, 15 scenes - anal, threesomes, foursomes, orgies etc - for the IR sites but only a few for Vixen & Tushy, right?


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Yes, it's possible, it's all about money after all but Greg Lansky left ship so I don't know if they will stick with exclusive contracts

Edited by - paneyapp on 2/2/2020 3:22:52 PM

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Considering the male talent of late on Blacked/Raw can we really blame an actress for not wanting to appear there?
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I believe that Vixen Media Group does still do exclusive contracts. Gabbie Carter signed one I remember it being announced a while ago, not sure about who else gets them though. I am sure that other girls have gotten them just not sure which others have.
 
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Good point, it's the reason why comparisons are odious.
I think Blacked do their best about males casting, plus they're not so many and some actresses can be very picky

Edited by - paneyapp on 2/2/2020 3:36:56 PM

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Ariana Marie is exclusive as well, it was done when GL was still in VXN media group so maybe things can change in the future, let's wait and see
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Are all the scene ratings bullshit? I have no idea how or why the Lika Star scene has the highest rating among all the scenes they have EVER shot. Impossible!
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Gabbie Carter has a blacked scene coming out with her and another girl. Also, she said on her Reddit she did in a solo scene with Jason Luv she did anal but he was too big for her.
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I was surprised to see that as well, very weird!

Edited by - paneyapp on 2/3/2020 1:25:08 AM

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SMH. The issue with the male casting is more so how they release scenes. They have plenty of scenes in the vault with different guys, but their schedule is fucked and they seem to release scenes feature the same guy 4-5 times in a row. Just Changing the female won't throw everyone off. Different male talents have different skill sets, physical attributes etc. Male talent is just as important, if not more important ( in certain scenes). Of course there's other factors with casting, scheduling, location of talent etc. Like the sly diggler doesn't stay near their main production locations. They had to fly him to LA recently just to work. But things like release schedule is something that can be worked on.

not tweaking some of the MINOR things is a sign of laziness and/abandonment. I understand vixen is one of the main babies of Greg. I honestly feel he may have been disgusted by the entire IR thing, which is why he barely acknowledged the brand. But that blacked brand is still a main piece of their network.


Edited by - JaneDoe on 2/3/2020 1:54:53 AM

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well it's almost it's the same 2 sites over 6 still means one third at best

Edited by - LCF on 2/3/2020 6:59:19 AM

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That is because you count IR and non IR as 50/50 and see a non existent bias while in reality you should divide per site Tori Black shot 24% of her scenes for IR sites but her orgy scene for Vixen did include black men and women that means 5 out of twenty it's 25% not very much lower from 30%

Emily willis "just" four? 4 out of 9 is 45% way more than the 30% of expectance
Naomi Swann 3 out of 8 means 38% , again more than the usual 30%

For Gabbie Carter you may be right but we should know exactly what her contract say , for example Maitland Ward has a contract for Deeper especially so it's likely you won't see her in the other sites

As for your last question
Maitland Ward shot 4 scenes 2 for IR sites 2 for Deeper but one of them is IR as well that makes 3 IR scenes out of 4
Lily Labeau shot 3 scenes for IR sites and 3 for the others but one of her Tushy scenes is IR that means 4 IR scenes out of 6
Bree Daniels shot 11 scenes 5 for IR sites 6 for the others , almost equal

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Pedantry over percentages is just an attempt to obscure the raw figures. The interracial sites are playing second fiddle now, when once Blacked was this company's flagship site.

And counting IR scenes or a lone black man in an orgy over on Vixen/Tushy as a win for Blacked/Raw is nonsensical.

Anyway this all began BEFORE they even launched TushyRaw or Deeper.

Emily Willis, for example, shot twice as many scenes for Vixen & Tushy than for Blacked/Raw even before TushyRaw launched and Deeper was created. But just for good measure, they went ahead and shot another 2 scenes on Vixen, 1 on Tushy and 2 for their new sites before Emily returned to BlackedRaw, 15 months after her first appearance there.

And Tori Black had shot 6 scenes for Vixen and Tushy compared to just 2 for Blacked/Raw before TushyRaw launched; and went on to appear in another 9 scenes for those sites, plus 1 for TushyRaw while adding only 2 more for the IR sites.

So your 30% argument falls apart regardless.

But even if we look at someone like Naomi Swann who made her debut after the launch of the later sites, she's shot the same number of scenes (3) for each of Vixen, Tushy & Deeper as she has for both the IR sites combined, plus a scene for TushyRaw just for good measure.

Your examples of the reverse occurring aren't good, not least because in the cases of Lily Labeau and Bree Daniels you're talking about scenes from as far back as 2016. Parity in some cases doesn't make up for the clear imbalance in many cases, especially when it sometimes takes years to achieve parity.

That being said, there are examples of performers that have appeared on Blacked/Raw a couple of times, but not on the other sites, like Kenzie Madison, Hazel Moore and Ella Reese, so it's not entirely lopsided.

But it is routinely the other sites that benefit. Gabbie Carter - 8 to 1. Jia Lissa - 9 to 4. Stacy Cruz - 5 to 3. Sybil - 4 to 2. Evelyn Claire - 9 to 5. Ariana Marie - 6 to 2 (in the past 2 years). Adria Rae - 5 to 1 (in the past 2 years). Little Caprice - 10 to 1. And other examples.

But it's not just about the number but also the type of scenes and their release schedule. To use Emily Willis as an example again, it took 20.5 months from her Blacked debut to her shooting a foursome on the site. In the meantime she shot 7 FFM threesomes, a FFFM foursome, an orgy and 8 anal scenes for the other sites.

Where are the Blacked/Raw exclusives? Where are the stars knocking down one milestone after another - anal, threesome, foursome, gangbang, etc - every few months? They don't exist anymore. Kendra Sunderland was the last one. The other sites take priority now.

Edited by - SM009 on 2/3/2020 1:48:00 PM

 
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^ Wouldn't shooting fewer scenes for BLACKED, make those videos more special?

Perhaps the girls also shoot less for BLACKED / IR, because it's harder having sex with massive black dicks compared to a more "normal" size.

And some of the girls you listed are EU-based, so they will shoot less IR there in general.

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Cutting past the numbers, interpretations, and other bullshit - the Blacked/Raw sites more consistently draw less top-tier caliber performers than the other sites. If they were the standard to meet in IR porn like they pretend to be it wouldn't be difficult to find the same level of talent that they do on the sister sites. Run the numbers all day, there is simply less quality in terms of talent, production/direction, and overall quality on those two sites specifically.

Build a brand and set a standard that people want to be associated with and you'll find it's easier to cast and recruit. Let the brand and standards falter and you see firsthand what you're left with.

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Absolutely. People would quibble over what qualifies as "top-tier", but there's now a long list of performers that have appeared on Blacked and BlackedRaw who won't be turning up on their other sites anytime soon.

^^
Nah, they'd generally shoot whatever they're booked for. It's a company choice to hire these performers more regularly for their other sites.

And no, fewer scenes doesn't make them more special, especially when these performers are in their prime. I wish we'd got more scenes from performers like Naomi Woods, Kimberly Brix, Samantha Hayes, Raylin Ann, Athena Palomino... these women can dip out of this industry any time... Tori Black's brief comeback seems to be over for now... if they're available these companies should be hiring them while they can. But they clearly prefer to give their other sites priority these days.

Edited by - SM009 on 2/3/2020 10:07:45 PM

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^ agree.. this site has now basically the same as blacked but shot at night. hahahaha
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Pedantry over numbers?

you put those numbers with a nonsensical narrative matching your own baseless view, your own number spoke against such view , you just couldn't see it

you put an absurd math equivalence betwenn two sites and four sites , in your view the mere fact that 4 sites get twice more scenes than 2 is proof of a biased view toward the two as if those two sites should weigh as much as the other four combined

if this wasn't enough already you also arbitrarily decide the standard and what is IR and what is not , so now we know that an orgy with just a single black man is not IR , very odd , either multiple BBC or it isn't IR

I didn't even looked for them I already knew that for the names I put the numbers showed that there are actresses with even more IR than anything else but , of course, that's pedantry

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You do realize that as more and more girls begin to do IR the less exclusive are available ?
You do realize that not everyone wants to be exclusive?
You do realize that some actresses did plenty IR but no anal and that an anal scene from them exceedes an IR scene in value?

That of course if variety is taken into consideration

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I didn't say pedantry over numbers. I said pedantry over percentages, namely your "4 out of 20 is 20% plus an orgy featuring a black man on Vixen = 25% which is close to 30%..." obfuscation designed to suit your own narrative.

And I see you've continued to ignore what I actually wrote in order to pursue your narrative about there inevitably being more updates on the 4 other sites, even though I clearly illustrated that the imbalance existed before the later sites launched and in like for like comparisons; and in some cases even when individual sites are compared to the IR sites combined.

And for some reason you've chosen to argue about IR vs non-IR, when I have quite clearly been talking about the IR sites vs non-IR sites. In my original comment I refer to "IR sites" or "interracial sites" 6 times. Then another 6 times in the following comment. I also used phrases such as "status on the IR sites", "bias against the IR sites", "greater variety than on the IR sites" and so on. You've chosen to argue against a warped version of the discussion in order to suit your argument.

That's why the examples you offered were largely irrelevant, and in the case of Bree Daniels didn't even prove what you say it did. And it's why the accusation that I've dismissed the diverse orgy scenes as not IR is baseless.

^

So let me get this straight. Back in 2014/15/16 they were able to land a near constant stream of exclusives and firsts despite attitudes towards IR supposedly being different. But now that more women are available for IR they're less likely to land such scenes?

I specifically mentioned that Tori Black has a longstanding positive attitude to IR and was exclusive to their network, yet the scenes she shot were wildly skewed in favour of Vixen & Tushy, in order to illustrate that it's most likely not the performers' attitudes that drive the imbalance but the studio's.

And they still land some exclusives. But is there any reason why they can't shoot more scenes with these performers when they do? They don't need to be tied to a contract in order for them to shoot for the sites again before they already turned up shooting anal, threesomes, gangbangs, etc. on other sites months down the line.

When these performers are shooting threesomes and getting their assholes pounded, update after update on this network's other sites, it's hard to believe that there's anything really preventing the studio putting them in a room with two guys or another girl more than once in a blue moon for the IR sites or shoot an anal scene or two.

Funnily enough, I have actually found a more recent example than Kendra Sunderland of this being possible: Khloe Kapri. Debut in July 2018. Another b/g in October 2018. FFM threesome a week later. Orgy in November 2018. MMF threesome in February 2019. 3v3 sixsome in March 2019. In that same time period she shot only 1 scene for the other sites.

Goes to show that they can prioritize the IR sites if they want to. They simply choose otherwise far more often than not.

Edited by - SM009 on 2/4/2020 10:22:53 AM

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Last time I checked percentages were still numbers , Economy works over percentages it's the most solid proof of their importance : money.

secondly what's truly obfuscating is your comparison 2 IR sites = 4 non IR sites while confronting the scenes without taking into account any context for example some girls were showcsed and their showcase was usually issued on one site adding 4 or even 5 scenes from this alone to it
Also you don't take into considration those actresses who do anal for the first time and esclusively , of course those will go on Tushy/Raw which are anal dedicated sites , there's no bias with this

Bree Daniels has 5 IR scenes and 6 Non IR scenes
One of the latest contracted stars and one of their biggest names Maitland Ward did 2 IR scenes plus 2 Non IR scenes , but hey even one of those for non IR sites was actually IR that makes 3 IR scenes over 4 in total so far

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^ You reference overall IR content, that's not the point. The long-standing issue is talent and focus being driven away from the IR sites and onto the other four in addition to the content being shown there. Blacked was the headliner for a long time, and as was noted, featured many high profile IR debuts and a stable, consistent casting of top-line actresses. That trend and focus dropped off drastically in the past few years to the point that Blacked/Raw are pretty much a joke outside of the random, much-maligned, high-profile veteran cash-ins or leftover quarterly star appearance. When compared to the talent they funnel to the other four sites it's painfully obvious that VMG is not focusing on these sites at all. I'd go so far to say that them getting constantly beat out by the "other" or "lesser" sites for debuts shows just how little they care anymore - and that's not an NA/EU casting thing - it happens in the US market more, and more frequently.
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Wow wow wow.. you all take porn way too seriously. Feels like it's consumed your lives. Take it a little easy, guys! It's only porn after all.
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^ If we didn't the little stuff, like our pornz, seriously then we'd have to take real life seriously, and what fun is that?
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^^^^
So what if they were showcased? Why isn't that happening on Blacked and BlackedRaw occasionally too then, if that's the case? (Which I don't think it is in most instances). The only context that would add is to further illustrate how Blacked/Raw have been getting shortchanged.

And I'm not expecting performers to shoot their first anal with Blacked/Raw instead of one of the anal sites. Never suggested that. However, I don't see why they can't land more IR anal debuts and use anal more often as an option for newer performers on the IR sites.

If they're shooting anal update after anal update for Tushy/Raw/Deeper, then what's stopping them shooting anal for Blacked/Raw aside from the studio's bias? Instead Blacked/Raw gets a lot of the same veteran performers over and again, e.g. Riley Reid, Adriana Chechik, Marley Brinx.

And if performers are willing to shoot anal routinely for the other sites, then there's certainly nothing that should stand in the way of shooting simple non-anal threesomes and such like for the IR sites. It all speaks to the apparent imbalance in the way they studio is hiring/scheduling.

All you've done with that Bree Daniels statistic is prove that despite being one of the most prolific performers on Blacked/Raw these past 19 months, she still fails to match the number or variety of scenes she's shot for the other sites; when I originally asked for examples of stars that had been more prolific on the IR sites than the others.

^^
I want more consistently high quality and exclusive content featuring the best talent in the game, so that I can relax more often.

Edited by - SM009 on 2/4/2020 6:29:24 PM

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Being featured on Greg's other sites? Hell, Most of the male performers on blacked/blacked raw have a hard time keeping steady work outside of blacked. Flash had tons of work when he was in his prime, cause he was a good performer. But all the other contracted stars weren't in high demand. Blacked was something new a cool early on, but like many have mentioned. The buzz is dying down somewhat. But not shocked. That artsy clean bedsheets fucking was destined to somewhat sizzle out anyways. Blackedraw is actually a better IR site than blacked, imho, there's a lot of shit scenes lately, but they have some gems from time to time

Edited by - JaneDoe on 2/5/2020 3:12:17 AM

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The Blacked brand has lost a lot of clout, the talent pool isn't as big as it once was, Lanksy is gone and honestly hasn't been involved for a while, and there is a constant agenda against the sites being pushed by certain performers (Lotus Lain, Demi Sutra, Xander Corvus, etc) on social media.
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^I'm not sure how you think that Blacked has lost clout and I'm even less sure why you would think that only 3 performers of which one is a white man has to do with them losing clout.
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^ Several years ago Blacked was THE site that debuted the top first-timers and veterans in a style that removed raceplay and denigration in order to draw the best of the best.

Their artistic style hasn't deviated or grown but their casting has plummeted with both male and female talent. Mostly gone are the days where two people just hooked up in whatever obligatory story they needed 30 sec to set up. Now it's tatted out guys who largely look like they just posted bail, can't keep their wood, and they cast more and more unknown and "who cares?" female models opposite them. Add in the prolific rimming (trending downward now, thankfully) and it's become a second-rate site with good cameras.

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