I've seen people talking about BDSM at ADT as well as particular sites that focus on BDSM. I have yet to see anybody on here discussing bondage alone from an enthusiast's standpoint. Also, it does seem like anyone who brings up BDSM on this forum always mixes it with sex, making the main focus about penetration, blowjobs, gangbangs, and the like instead of actually observing the binds that riggers apply to models. I'm more interested in bondage than any of the sex stuff that's incorporated in it, so that should be the main focus of this thread.
Looking at the active sites that feature bondage, there seems to be only two of them left: Kink and SocietySM. Sites like Hardtied and Infernal Restraints seem to have stopped producing new content. In fairness, Kink's major bondage channels (Hogtied and Device Bondage) also halted their production of new content. It's only been a few months since those channels came back with new shoots. SocietySM, on the other hand, has always had new shoots posted every week.
Obviously, we've all got a situation (which some might call a crisis) that we're dealing with, and it seems like there's no end to it. Just when you thought that the situation was under control, there's always new stuff that's brought up to make us all concerned. Are people in the industry really scared of this stuff that they had to stop shooting new content, or is it because they're just prohibited from doing so? As far as I know, SocietySM is doing okay. Kink seems to have gotten back on its feet. The bad news is that prominent bondage sites like Hardtied and Infernal Restraints have fallen off a cliff.
It does seem like bondage is dying, and it's unfortunate. I have revisited Kink's older content, mostly coming from Hogtied because it's the best stuff that Kink has to offer, in my opinion. Some of the shoots that Matt Williams directed are very good. He has a keen eye for bondage and knows how to tie a girl up. No offense to The Pope, but his work just doesn't compare to Matt Williams' work. Nevertheless, I am very happy that The Pope is a part of the new content that's on Kink. Hogtied and Device Bondage need a rigger, and he's right there to answer the call.
As I revisited Kink's older material, I've come to appreciate the creative and intricate ties that Matt Williams applied to girls like Alexa Von Tess, Sabrina Sparx, Venus, Lain Oi, Sensi Pearl, Kaylee Hilton, and Madison Scott, among others. Some of my favorite ties applied to the girls mentioned above are pictured below:
Alexa Von Tess
Sabrina Sparx
Venus
Lain Oi
Sensi Pearl
Kaylee Hilton
Madison Scott
What do you guys think of the future of bondage? Is it here to stay, or is it going to die down? Do you like restrictive, complex bondage (see above), or do you prefer simple ties such as a girl's arms being placed on her back with her wrists tied together? What is your favorite site that features bondage? Are there any other sites aside from the ones I mentioned in this post that feature completely naked girls getting tied up by fully clothed men? I'm interested to see your answers to these questions below. I'd also like to know your general thoughts on bondage.
First off I should mention that while I'm a bondage fan and have some in my collection, it isn't something I've subscribed to in several years. My overall porn interests have died down a bit in the past two years and bondage seems to have died down even more than other niches. But that isn't to say it couldn't come roaring back any time now. It comes in waves.
My preference has always been for complex bondage over simple. Device Bondage was always one of my go-to sites. I know this sounds obvious, but it was the devious devices that did it doe me. Same with Hogtied - the rope work and stress positions were amazing. Back when Kink wasn't a network I'd subscribe to both separately just to get what new scenes they had. I also liked the bondage within The Training of O. In fact, Kink has always been my primary go-to site for bondage and pretty much anything BDSM.
I've been a member at SocietySM but haven't rejoined in a long time. I like them too.
As for the future, I can't see why this would die off as a niche from the demand side. It's been around for a long time and I can't see that changing. What may be an issue though is that credit card companies are cracking down and that could be an issue. Someone made the comment in another thread (the ExCoGi thread I think) that in the past it was the right-wing religious groups who put pressure on credit card companies but the real influence now is the new feminism movement and the #metoo thing. I think this is an accurate observation and if true I think this new wave of censorship will be much more effective than the religious wave. The religious wave was powerful but small. They had more political clout than their size should have allowed. But the new feminism and #metoo is powerful and is much larger than the religious movement. I think this new censorship could spell bad news for BDSM. (I also think it completely excludes women who enjoy it, but I suspect the movement wouldn't really care about that.)
I can't imagine that things are different in the US, but here in Canada we are busy rewriting history to shape it to modern sensibilities. Maybe this is hypocritical of me, but I can see the backlash against Confederate regalia given the clear connection to slavery but here in Canada we're toppling statues of the nation's founders because they didn't embrace 21st Century values. There is talk of renaming rivers to pre-settlement days, wiping out names that have been in existence for 400+ years. Iconic street names, names of universities and public buildings are all under scrutiny because we're twisting ourselves into knots that our 19th century founders didn't know what the 21st century would bring.
Okay, I admit, that was off topic...
I do think that just the nature of BDSM will attract negative attention. Credit card companies are notoriously (and probably correctly) sensitive to even small movements where sex is concerned because no one will fight back. I may be wrong on this, but let's say a large group pushed for sanctions against China for their, well for everything that they're up to these days with espionage, hacking, human rights abuses, re-education camps, abductions...etc. Would credit card companies listen and stop taking payments for Chinese manufacturers on Amazon? I doubt it.
Okay, I'd better shut this down for now because I'm waaaaay off topic again.
Bottom line: I think BDSM is ripe for attack. I'll double-back-up my stuff!
You know what I like about you, rearadmiral? It has to do with the fact that we both share the same interests in different categories. You obviously like CMNF sex stuff, which I do like as well. You're also a fan of public nudity, which I am a big fan of. Now I see that you're the first one to comment on this thread about bondage, which I appreciate very much.
Based on what you posted, it does seem like you're pretty passionate about this stuff at least from a social and political standpoint, aren't you? You spoke about right-wing religious groups and feminism, which are two totally different entities. I agree that feminists have a larger influence over this stuff than anyone else because believe it or not, people on the right are more tolerant than people on the left. I support neither of them, however, when it comes to this stuff because I don't support censorship at all. I support liberty more than anything else. People should be able to do whatever the heck they want, so long as it doesn't violate other people's rights. Having said all of that, this should be a conversation for another day.
You said that you like SocietySM. I do too, but it just doesn't compare to Kink's channels like Hogtied and Device Bondage, nor does it compare to Hardtied or Infernal Restraints. I heard from Ogre, the main rigger on SocietySM, that he and his team had to make their stuff lighter due to complaints they received from some porn studios. Considering that SocietySM hires mainstream models, I don't find that unreasonable. Don't quote me on this, though, because I'm not entirely sure about this. That may or may not be the case. Looking at Kink's models, some of them do look like they're fit for mainstream, especially when you look at the models it had in the past such as Emma Hix, Lacey Lennon, Sydney Cole, and Gina Valentina. Maybe it's those porn studios who influenced Kink to lighten its bondage. I don't know. I can only guess.
You know another thing I miss at Kink? Those naked post-bondage interviews. There are some shoots at Hogtied and Device Bondage that I've watched through and through because the models in them stay naked (once they're stripped off their clothes), even during their post-bondage interviews. I've got examples of them below:
Sabrina Sparx
Leah Luv
Alexa Von Tess
Celena Cross
Kaylee Hilton
Sensi Pearl
Haley Scott
If it is indeed true that BDSM is ripe for attack, then I should also double back up my stuff! Lol
I agree that it's great to have a like-minded person to discuss this with. When I started the CMNF thread I figured it would die quickly because no one would share that interest. And then you and few others came along and that thread has been a great source of information for me - and I hope for you too.
I can't explain why, but my interest in BDSM comes and goes. I haven't been a member at any BDSM site in probably two or three years. Kink has gone downhill a bit but I will rejoin them because they are still the gold standard. My favourite site there is The Training of O though the older format is still my favourite. That's when they'd take a model and put her through a four day training session. I also preferred the original Doms. But I still download the new stuff when I subscribe there. It was also better when Kink owned the Armoury but I can imagine that was a huge drain on finances.
You mentioned Infernal Restraint too and while I haven't been a member there in probably going on ten years I do like their stuff and when I'm in a mood for some BDSM I watch it. I like the outdoor stuff. For me it plays on the BDSM thing and adds that element of outdoor nudity. Sure, it isn't public nudity but I still like it.
I suspect that Kink has a good reputation and they probably are the most mainstream of the BDSM sites so it isn't too surprising to see non-fetish models have a few scenes there. That has always been a big draw for me to see a model I wouldn't have thought would do a Kink scene actually in one. Emma Hix is a perfect example of this.
You know what? Thanks to you in this thread I think I need to check out Kink today and probably rejoin to have a look around.
I might have some interesting things to post in this thread over the next while. I hope that Device Bondage is still active. After TToO that was my favourite site there.
^ Yeah, the CMNF thread has been helpful as far as finding CMNF sex content. I do thank you for starting it. Finding CMNF sex scenes has become easier because of it.
Speaking of CMNF, bondage is one of the reasons why I like CMNF. Before Kink became Kink, I was already a fan of Hogtied, which is one of its channels. Frankly speaking, I didn't really like bondage or BDSM in general because my impression of it was different until Hogtied came along. Hogtied, like Device Bondage, gets its girls completely naked, which I like very much. There are plenty of CMNF situations at Hogtied and DB, which I find hot. The power imbalance dynamic is a real thing at Hogtied and DB. That is obviously what the entire network of Kink is about, but I'm not a fan of everything that it offers. I find the concept of The Training of O interesting, but I don't like the fact that it involves sex. I was honestly disappointed when Kink decided to add Bound Gangbangs and Public Disgrace to its network. I know that is an unpopular thing to say about Kink, considering those sites or channels helped Kink garner more attention. I just didn't like how Kink seemed to ignore its core fans. I know it already had Sex and Submission as well as femdom stuff with male subs, but I could easily ignore those. It was harder to ignore Bound Gangbangs and Public Disgrace because they were heavily promoted. I eventually grew out of my disappointment of Kink when I started seeing shoots I happen to like at Public Disgrace. Unfortunately, Kink, as you mentioned, has gone downhill. The good news is that it recently started shooting new content for Hogtied and Device Bondage. I just hope Kink brings back Matt Williams to do the rigging on the models, or perhaps The Pope can copy Matt's style and put it into practice.
Kink is indeed able to hire non-fetish models, which is also one of the reasons why I like the site. When you compare Kink's models to the models at Hardtied and Infernal Restraints, there is a huge difference. SocietySM is also able to hire non-fetish models. I think most of the models at SocietySM are non-fetish models based on the way they look. They've had girls like Carolina Sweets, Everly Haze, Haley Reed, Hime Marie, Melody Marks, Kacey Quinn, Kenzie Madison, and Kyler Quinn, among others.
By the way, Device Bondage got re-activated as I mentioned above. I can't say the same thing about TToO, unfortunately.
Since you brought up Infernal Restraints and its outdoor shoots, I'll be referencing some of them here in another post in case you haven't seen them yet.
Hey there, T0MBOne! I mentioned in my original post that the focus of this thread is on bondage alone with no reference to sex. You've got interesting suggestions, but they don't align with the focus of this thread. Thanks for stopping by, though.
Datdood - I didn't rejoin Kink as I'm a bit busy these days and figured I wouldn't have the time to properly explore what's new since I was last there. I'm a bit disappointed to read that TTOO may be gone and that Device Bondage went dormant for a while. I'll at least have to check out the tour pages to see what's being added. But with TTOO gone and Device Bondage just starting up again a lot of the reason for rejoining is gone. But maybe on the tour pages I'll see something that really tickles my fancy.
That's okay. You won't miss much, especially since its original content isn't as good as it was before. It's why I was focusing on its older stuff. I did rejoin recently but my membership has since expired. One of my main reasons for rejoining had to do with Maya Woulfe being at Hogtied. I also wanted to check out its content from its back catalog that I missed.TToO's last shoot was produced back in late 2017 and released in early 2018, so it has been inactive for quite a long time. Device Bondage does have some potential to get more shoots going. Its latest shoot was released just this month.There could be some other content you might like at Kink, but that obviously depends on how broad your preferences are for kinky stuff. Nowadays, Kink has a lot of femdom content with male subs. It's also got some trans porn. I'm pretty sure you don't like any of that stuff, so I guess there is no reason for you to rejoin the site at the moment, unless it somehow re-activates TToO, which I highly doubt.
^ The last time I was a member there I did notice an increase in femdom and TG stuff. I'm not into femdom at all and can't ever see that happening. In the past year I have developed some interest in TG porn though my interests are quite narrow. I'd be into one of my favourite TG models doing a S+S or DB shoot if it was done in the traditional way - with the TG model being led through the scene by a competent Dom. But I suspect my interest in TG shoots would be so narrow - in terms of the models I like and in terms of how the scene is structured - that it wouldn't be worth joining for that alone.
I have all my Kink stuff backed up and I'll continue to watch it when the urge hits. Maybe someday I'll go back and rejoin Kink but for now it doesn't seem likely in the near future.
I should also add that it isn't just Kink. I have nothing against them. My porn buying habits have changed a lot over the past 18 months. I'm subscribing to a lot fewer sites these days and I spend more time watching what I already have rather than constantly seeking out new stuff.
^ I'm not into femdom content with male subs, but I do like femdom content with female subs. I know I've mostly mentioned Hogtied and Device Bondage as my favorite channels at Kink, but I do like some of the content from Whipped Ass, Electrosluts, and Wired Pussy as well. I liked Donna Dolores' work at Kink because she was a good rigger herself. She directed a lot of the content from Wired Pussy. She also directed many of the early Public Disgrace shoots, too, by the way. I thought the old Public Disgrace stuff was very good because of Donna Dolores' directing. Sadly, she had to leave. It's funny because I sort of treat female doms the same way I treat male doms in that I want them clothed when they're tying up and doing work on female subs. There's not a whole lot of femdom/femsub content at Kink that has one-sided nudity, however. I do know that Claire Adams did dom duties at Hogtied and Device Bondage without taking off her clothes. I don't mind seeing only one naked girl in a femdom/femsub shoot because I'd like all the focus to be on the female sub anyway.
I personally don't like trans or TG porn, but I've got nothing against the people who do like that stuff.
As far as other content that's available at Kink outside of the channels already mentioned here, I must say that I like most of the content from Fucking Machines. That channel's focus isn't really on bondage (at least in its early shoots), but I like how the girls get completely naked over there. I guess the content from Fucking Machines counts as solo stuff, but it isn't you average, everyday type of solo stuff, lol.
I've got lots of Kink content, and I don't think I've watched all of it. There's definitely something for me to do when I find time to do so, lol. There comes a time when you just don't want to get into new stuff anymore, especially at this time when new content has been scarce. I totally understand where you're coming from.
I guess I was too hasty with my reply because I only thought of Femdom as being with a male sub. But you're right, Princess Donna made a great Domme at Kink, especially in the early Public Disgrace shoots.
It should come as no surprise to you, and I think we may have chatted about this on the CMNF thread too, but in D/s BDSM porn the Dom (or Domme) has to stay clothed or it doesn't work for me. The heat in D/s and CMNF for me is a power imbalance.
I've downloaded some of the content from the electrical play sites at Kink but it's never really done it for me. I can't really explain why either. But I am a fan of Whipped Ass.
Fucking Machines is a good site too and I like it. I see it sort of like Device Bondage with a fucking machine thrown in for good measure.
This is off topic given where the conversation is going, but as a fan of all things anal, Everything Butt is one of my other favourites. Anything focused that much on the female ass is bound to have me as a fan! Sadistic Rope is one I like though I don't have a lot from there.
Kink has two great gangbang sites too. I know one replaced the other and I have no idea if the second one is still active - Bound Gang Bangs and Hardcore Gang Bang.
Then there is Pissing. I don't know if that is updating but I liked that too. I preferred the earliest stuff because there was more male-on-female stuff going on with a Dom/sub thing too.
I really should take the time to at least take a tour of Kink again.
Yeah, the clothes do a lot to make someone look dominant, if you will. If a dom takes his clothes off, he kind of loses his authority, in my opinion. I look at it the same way when it comes to a domme taking her clothes off, but I don't get as annoyed. I'm not really a fan of the gangbang channels at Kink because they have too many naked dudes. I'm sure you already know that about me, lol. I do like a few select content from Sex and Submission, which I referenced in the CMNF thread. You are no stranger to what I like at Public Disgrace. PD is another one of those channels that is no longer active at Kink, which is unfortunate. I thought PD could've done more to cater to fans who like CMNF, but I'm assuming that it didn't really have a hundred percent interest in that type of stuff. It's funny because PD's description reads, "Women get bound, stripped & punished in public humiliation. Hardcore voyeur porn at its best." I take issue with that because someone who is not well-versed in PD's shoots and may judge the channel solely by that description might think that it's only the women that they get to see naked in them. That wasn't always the case at PD, however. The only male performers I actually trusted at PD were Steve Holmes and Zenza Raggi because I don't think either one of them ever got stark naked in the shoots they were in. I did have a problem in one PD shoot with Steve Holmes where he worked with another male performer because that other dude suddenly decided to take off all of his clothes in the final scene. The scene doesn't look aesthetically pleasing to me at all seeing one woman naked, one man clothed, and another man naked. That guy probably didn't get the memo that he wasn't supposed to take his clothes off, lol. James Deen had PD shoots where he stayed clothed, but he wasn't very consistent.
Anyway, before I start another rant (LOL), I should acknowledge that I did leave out Sadistic Rope as another bondage channel at Kink. I didn't leave it out on purpose, but I guess it's somewhat of a forgotten channel at Kink because I don't think it had much of a success. Looking at the number of pages it's got (6), it doesn't seem unreasonable to say that. The Pope was the only rigger that SR had (if I'm not mistaken), and frankly speaking, I don't really like his techniques. I already mentioned this before, but I like Matt Williams' techniques better than The Pope's. I don't hate The Pope, though. He used to be one of the riggers at SocietySM, and I kind of liked his work over there. He also currently handles the work at Hogtied and Device Bondage, and I'd like him to stay at Kink if it means that Hogtied and DB are going to keep being in operation.
I know we've had off-topic conversations here, but I think it has to do with bondage having a lot of parallels across many different subjects. Kink is one of the subjects here, considering it's the most mainstream bondage site on the internet. I gotta say I kind of like some of the content from Everything Butt, even though it isn't really a bondage site per se. I do prefer the lesbian-only shoots at EB to the shoots with male-on-female stuff. I don't know about the pissing content at Kink because I don't see any of it on the site, but I don't want to know or see any of it in the future to be frank, lol.
