We know the drill: there are thousands of porn chicks reducing their part in a sex scene to opening their holes and faking lust, moaning "Ooooh, auuuh, aaah, you'll make me cum" the second the guy touches them. Boring. Horrible. Pointless. Now I remember a scene ages ago (90s?) where such a chick was encountered by Rocco, and he literally fucked her senseless. You could see how her wall of fake orgasms broke down after a couple of minutes, how she stopped yelling and started breathing and how her sounds became more guttural. That scene went from fake to real and she could do nothing about it - which made the whole thing rather uncomfortable in a damned hot way. You know any similar scenes? One where the chick started as a professional, regular porn girl and struggled to keep control of her lust?
I HAVE seen a few good scenes where the "actress" pretty much can't keep her act going the whole time. Gina Lynn with Lex Steele is a good example -- she kept shouting the usual "fuck my tight little pussy" stuff, but she'd last about three thrusts before needing to push him back. Then she'd try to keep up the show with more "give it to me" shit-talking, but every time his cock pushed deep, she had to call timeout. It was hot because you knew she was trying to act like this fearless hard-fuck-loving pornstar, so when she pushed back, you knew she wasn't faking THAT, nor was she faking how much effort it took on her part to finish the scene.
I like the ones that don't bounce off the walls. It's more realistic. I don't like it when they constantly holler, either. That just distracts and irritates me. If they're sincerely moaning or something that's different but you know it isn't real if they moan constantly.
^It's especially bad when the moaning is consistent even when they're switching positions. Yeah I know you've all seen that before. The girl continues to say "oooh, yeah" even as she's getting up and moving from the couch to the bed so the guy can fuck her in the next position. Talk about annoying.
You know what's worse? When you hear loud moaning and clearly articulated words but her lips aren't even moving and her mouth is closed. I think they might as well record themselves ordering pizza, loop it and stick it in there. Edited by - randomprecision on 1/16/2009 5:36:36 PM
I think you make a good point about Rocco. He's very uncompromising on camera which is part of the appeal in attracting many hot nubile chicks to his movies particularly in Europe where he's an undisputed Porn God. He's got a great rep in getting the best new female talent and he certainly enjoys either himself or his posse of male studs defiling these girls in the most graphic hardcore ways possible. I have a vast collection of his movies from past 10 years. In his hard anal, DP, gapeing and group sex lines and at a rough count of the chicks he's used in the movies just on my shelves, we are talking literally a couple of thousand girls!!! Its inevitable in such vast numbers of willing babes who appear in his movies not every chicks is going to dig the fairly rough bonings and domination that is his style. However, his hit rate at picking the choicest chicks who have a submissive nature and dig being subjected to Rocco's is amazing. In his 'Initiations' series from a few years ago which I particularly enjoyed for the quality of the fresh teenage Eurobabes he put through their paces, quite a few were simply unprepared for the ferocity of the anal bonings that were dished out! Eye-watering stuff and certainly no faking going on...that heady mixture of distress, manhandling leading to real orgasmic pleasure is quite something to watch! Quite a few girls had that helpless look in their eyes where they suddenly realised when confronted with Rocco and his buddies that they might be out of the depth! Like meat thrown into a piranha pool!!! However, almost always as the merciless anal poundings took their inevitable course you see the same chicks eyes rolling into the back of their heads with intense pleasure as Rocco's magic dong hits their G-spot like a piston! I used to find it slightly unnerving at first viewing some of Rocco's 'initiations' of fresh teeny starlets because I thought the chicks had been lured under false pretenses, but soon became addicted to his brand of 'reality porn' as actually its that rawness and sheer unrestrained lust that gives Rocco's porn its unique selling point. Fakers are demolished and submit in the same way as the nastiest nympho! I totally concur though that in porn generally there is nothing more disappointing that pornbabes going through the motions for the money. As an experienced porn freak and collector, you can spot them within a few minutes of a scene and I generally have a '3 strikes and you are out' rule for such chicks. I simply won't buy fakers' movies and only wish they were all fed to the likes of a Rocco or a Justin Slayer to be banged senseless!
Good post. You know your money is well worth it after renting or buying a Rocco movie. He truly earns his $$ :-) fixed reply to quote Edited by - heynow on 1/18/2009 1:24:17 PM
It would be interesting to do a comparison of the number of fakers and cum dodgers in US porn to the European equivalent. I have a DVD collection of over 12 hundred DVDs and maybe only a fraction are European produced but I have plenty of US porn featuring hundreds of Eurobabes. I personally think there are not many fakers amongst Eurobabes...they all dig hardcore sex and it shows. In the US many chicks get a 'star' attitude after about 3 scenes and that sucks! Mind you, its why certain US babes really stand out as the ultimate sluts!!!
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It's telling and sad to see how many posters equate "ruthless pounding" with being a good fuck. Or that every woman screams when having an orgasm. Or believes that the screaming being done when Rocco is hitting a cervix or their lower intestine means they're having a good time. Think about this way: if someone shoved a 10" dick in your ass with 180 pounds of force behind it, will your grunts and screams mean you're having a good time? After all, there's nothing in your ass that isn't in a woman's. This is entertainment. Do you really think that if a girl is just laying there at the beginning of a scene the director doesn't say something to her so that she "perks up" later? On Seymour Butts' Family Business show, faking an orgasm was shown to be part of the audition process even though he said he hoped they wouldn't have to, meaning that telling them to fake it was a regular thing. And do you really think it was only him? Face it: you don't necessarily want to see a woman enjoying herself, but enjoying on herself on your terms, which is that a ruthless hard dick is the key to ecstasy, because that simply is a more compelling visual. Here's a thought: try visiting a board where it's 90% women and see how they feel about men who think jackhammering = orgasms. Especially given the numbers of women who. do. not. orgasm. vaginally. I mean, it was actually the subject of a joke on Sex & the City. And is it just me or is this is the latest in a series of posts that pretty much equal "I like to see women suffering"? I'm not seeing any "Porn Stars Getting Off While Being Eaten" threads, because if a woman's pleasure was really what got you off that would be request.
^DarkPlaces I got rid of all your accidental extra posts, I hope that's ok. Remember: to quote a post, click on the little icon with the rounded arrow. But to edit a post, click on the icon with the little pencil. That should solve your problem in the future. I think.
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Posted - Jan 19 2009 : 4:39AM
I find it amusing the female performer will continue moaning in esctasy while the guy tit fucks her or rubs his dick between her ass cheeks. Who the hell buys that? Why not just talk dirty?
DarkPlaces, I think you miss the point here slightly. No-one wants to see chicks 'suffering' or being buttfucked against their will! I'm assuming most modern porn features girls acting of their own volition who are making a living having sex as entertainment for us srokers. I'm all for girls doing a convincing 'acting' job when get banged even if they are not climaxing. Talking dirty and screaming the house down is part of the fantasy. My own objections are towards male and female performers who simply go through the motion. I as a consumer feel shortchanged somewhat that's all! I just happen to get off on the 'harder' porn where the ideal theme is gangs of well-hung sexually dominant guys banging seemingly submissive and stunningly beautiful young females who actually ENJOY being treated in this way...or at least is professional enough to give the illusion of doing so! Its an entertainment industry remember. I just wished the producers and directors took more care in selecting the right talent for a particular line of movie. Problems occur when you either get wimpy small dicked dudes doing girls who actually LIKE huge black guys or chicks who detest jizz doing a bukkaki scene, etc!!! There is nothing more depressing than watching people have sex who are simply do not want to be there! Sure these people have to make a living but I would rather know about it BEFORE I part with my hard-earned. As a dedicated porn freak of many years now with a solid collection of over 1200 DVDs, I know what I like and only go for directors/performers deliver consistently the stuff I enjoy 'relaxing' to. However, as I am always buying lots of new porn, every now and then I get sold a pup with new seemingly 'nasty' girls who may as well be automatons for all the energy they put in a scene! Surely the first question asked by ANY agent before a chick embarks on a porn career is "Do you actually ENJOY having sex?" followed by "Do you think you can radiate this enjoyment to the camera?" There are literally thousands of hot chicks wanting to get boned on camera for money, surely there can be a better filtering and auditioning system!? Worst of all its such a wasted opportunity when you get a stunning chick who would rather be anywhere else. I hate that. That's why I do respect the likes of Rocco who will do their thing regardless. Hopefully it then teaches the young lady to go pursue another career once she's been summarily defiled by the Daddy himself. Yet funnily enough, Rocco must be amazing at picking his female talent because in his recent movies, they are younger, prettier and nastier than ever! More than matching the great man for sexual energy, having a ball on camera and making fans of beautiful people fornicating in the most depraved ways, VERY HAPPY! Its remarkable the sheer quantity of quality fresh pussy that guy finds and I can only think his rep precedes him and these chick want to prove how nasty they can be to impress him. The bar is very high! In the US, only Brandon Iron has that uncompromising stamp of quality and the innate sensibilities of what I suppose old fashioned 'raincoater' fans like me want. I ALWAYS buy anything by him because I know the chicks will be slutty, big fun and full of sexual attitiude...and up for the sort of wanton degradation I want to see them revel in. Just wish more were like him. So it's really not a case of wanting girls to suffer. Just come into porn knowing there are paying customers who expect better. If we wanted waxwork dummies we'd stick to our own sad sex lives!!! Joke... I'm just one of those sad fools who still thinks there are gorgeous girls craving to be banged senseless by the hottest pornstuds with 11" dicks, enjoy lots of mindblowing orgasms and being smothered in jizz, get their thrills being show-offs/exhibitionists and then, almost as BONUS...get paid well for the privilege! Some people call me a dreamer...but I'm not he only one.
DarkPlaces - my post was surely not asking for suffering porn chicks. I do love a good pounding just like any other guy, but the more the girl enjoys it, the better. I'm not into the whole ass-ripped-open thing where the female talent walks away with a bleeding anus. I'm not into mindless degrading. I'm not into giving a hot blonde a fat, disgusting git. I'm not into all that. Porn should be an enjoyable experience for both performers, although I know that's wishful thinking. What I was asking for was what others identified as the "Rocco way" - when the male performer tears down the walls of fake moaning and acting and pushes his female counterpart around, but within the borders of pleasure. Few can do that, Rocco as an example. Manuel Ferrara. Sometimes Lex Steele. For me that's what Rocco and the likes are good at - there are thousands of performers with better bodies or bigger dicks or both. But these guys are good at turning the "piece of meat" that modern day porn portrays porn chicks as into what they are - incredibly erotic women. If one of Rocco's European girls shot a scene for Bangbros it would be a scene without anything - some dick fucking some pussy and jerking off some cum into some face. In Rocco's hands every girl seems to walk the fine line between "too much" and "not enough", if you know what I mean. I've rarely seen a scene where a female talent encountering Rocco looked half as uncomfortable as the average porn chick in a random shoot for a random teen website. That's what I'm looking for: a bit more "real emotion" than the performer - male or female! - wants to give me. Porn God Lex Steele unable to hold his cum in the middle of the scene feels just as hot to me as "utterly professional, nothing can shock me but I won't do anal" Gianna being handled and pushed around by Rocco. I think a touch of reality - of performers acting like they would in a good sex act off camera - is the one thing that porn rarely shows. And that's what I am searching.
^I get what you want because it is hot to see someone eventually cave into their desires, but as Purple Mushroom admitted, it's pretty much a fantasy that being pounded by a gigantic dick always accomplishes this. Sorry to rain on anyone's fantasy parade, but I've heard far too many women complain about this than praise it. And Manuel can "break girls down" because what he's actually doing is "seducing" them. There's talk, there's kissing, there's eye contact, THERE'S ORAL SEX. You want to see a reticent girl come alive, let her costar lick her for as long as it takes. Lex...can't go down for shit. It's his biggest flaw and reason I tend not to like his work. Also, I'm sorry if I suggested you wanted to see a girl hurt, but there have just been so many threads and posts about women being in discomfort. The Gina Lynn mention here is one. She was uncomfortable to the point where she couldn't do her job and be a fantasy girl where no dick was too much. As Clam Digger asked why is that hot? What's hot is Lex the Impaler 3, when she gets on top so she can control the depth and seems to get herself off, not her constantly pushing him back with her hands.
DarkPlaces - with your last post I absolutely and wholeheartedly agree!
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Posted - Jan 20 2009 : 11:33AM
I think that the point is not missed. What seems to be missing in some of these posts is the understanding of the difference between brutality and eroticism. Those with 1,000's of titles in their stash probably don't have other outlets to explore the difference. I would classify Rocco's stuff as examples of the former and Manuel Ferrara's work as the latter.
Clam Digger (great moniker my the way!), I have according to my last count around 1275 DVDs and about 300 VHS tapes (been collecting for around 10 years). I also subscribe to several websites and its fair to say I am big porn lover and fan. My current girlfriend of 3 years also loves much of the same stuff I do and when we buy mail order now (usually in batches of 10 or 20 DVDs, she's usually picks half of them! So yeah, I may have a big collection and porn is one of my main ways to unwind and relax with my partner but I can assure you I can tell the difference between outright brutality and just hardcore, highly energetic sex between dominant guys and submissive, eager to please chicks (sometimes that is an act or set-up, in the best cases the performers genuinely dig it). I simply do NOT get off any masochistic material and when I see a girl being ravaged by half a dozen giant black dudes I only enjoy it when SHE is enjoying it...or doing a convincing acting job! So yeah, I love hard anals/DP poundings and chicks being manhandled, pulled around by their hair,etc and verbally abused in the name of hardcore porn but I seriously would tolerate the crossing of the line into brutality as you call it. However where that fine line is can be a subjective decision. FYI the sort of hardcore porn I get off on is Brandon Iron's Bakers Dozen Series or Justin Slayer's fabulous 'Black Pipe Layers' series. The way the girls get used and abused in these series is what floats my boat from an erotic pov. I also adore Audrey Hollander's Double Anal scenes and she is the epitome of my perfect porn chick who always gives 100%. However, brutality and hurting the girls is really not a turn on for me and as bad as chicks openly faking it.
it seemed like 2003 and the surrounding years were spent knocking the bottom out of that thing, by and large. now gonzo has civilized itself and is starting to pay child support and obey the rules of the road. less jackhammering. Maybe that's just perception, but it seems to be the trend. or maybe 2003 was the year I rented only Steve Holmes movies?
+1. IMO, there is a "directional fight" going on in the porn industry, as well as with the fans who support it. And one of the battles is in acknowledging the point you make: there is a difference between brutality and eroticism.
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Posted - Jan 21 2009 : 9:54PM
Shame Rocco never worked with boring performers like Nina Mercedez and Tera Patrick. He could have taught them an important lesson or 2 about stamina and intensity required in a sex scene. I dont think these two would have handled Rocco without a nervous or physical breakdown midway through the scene.
I love it when the girl starts to moan uncontrollably as soon as the dick enters her pussy. Just like in real life!
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Posted - Jan 21 2009 : 11:21PM
Would he have taught them what it is like to have a male performer remove a condom during a scene with out their consent, which he apparently did during a recent shoot with Janine? ...and I might add if you think causing a girl to have an actual nervous or physical breakdown during a scene is in any way hot, you are one sick fuck...
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Posted - Jan 23 2009 : 8:53AM
Who said anything about removing condoms or wishing a physical/nervous breakdown on these ladies? Go back and read my post again you illiterate dumb! Obviously you've never watched a Mercedez or Tera Patrick movie and therefore have absolutely no idea what you're talkin about. If female pornstars cannot put in a hard days work and reciprocate to spice up the scene then I'm sorry but they should't be doing porn at all. Full stop!