I think your analogy of a retarded kid is a retarded one at that.

If I get a good scene out of her, no one will be more pleased than I. After all, in my opinion, the girl is hot with great titties.

However, if I get yet another whining scene out of her and I start playing my part as the director, guess what? I not only can the scene after stretching it to the limit, which costs me next to nothing, but I get great Internet content.

The ball is wholly on Brooke's court. I either get a scene for my movie or I get Internet content. It's up to her after we talked precisely about what she does.

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You can pretend that you have honorable intentions, but you'd be full of shit.

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The way I look at it, it's a win-win situation. Either way, I get a scene. Believe it or not, I actually would prefer a video scene only if it's worth it.

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Why do director's keep hiring Brooke? I bet it's because one of them is thinking he'll get lucky, convince her to do a facial, so he can promote this to hell on a boxcover: BROOKE'S FIRST FACIAL!!!!

This case seems a bit extreme, but I've wondered why does a director book an actress, who is known to only do vaginal sex, and then when she shows up for her scene, he tries to get her to do anal? It's not like he was ill-informed. Even this other thread hints that money was offered to an actress who is clearly not interested in anal sex, to get her to try it (I'm not picking on this director alone, I know there are other ones, this is just one that I could remember because it's so recent).

Even worse is watching a scene, where the camera is already rolling, and right on film, the actress is asked, "Don't you want to try anal?" Sometimes, the actor doesn't even ask, he just goes for it, and if she protests enough, he'll stop. I've seen this stuff in American gonzo films, and in European ones. Of course, there's the varient of "Won't you try a double penetration?"

I know in an ideal world, what the actress has said she does/doesn't do should set the limits, and the director would know upfront what to expect. But, what the hell, you can try anyway, and if you can get an actress to do anal, you've beat out other studios, and you've got your boxcover: Etta Mae's First Anal!!! She shows what an Anal Slut She Really Is!!!

I get the idea that making these porn films is just a big game to a lot of directors, just a way to make some cash. And to think that people look down on porn actresses.....

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Setting someone up to behave in a certain manner and then screwing with them because they behave in that manner, just isn't funny to me.

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Honestly, I don't know why some of these directors complain. They knew up front what someone was willing to do, then they try to go beyond that limit, they piss off the actress, the scene turns out crummy, and they blame everyone but themselves. They took a chance, they can live with the consequences.

Edited by - Renee on 2/19/2004 10:43:32 PM

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Under NO circumstances is it right to 'force', 'coerce' or hostily manipulate a girl to do anal during a scene. However, there are instances where a girl 'has' to do anal.

Though it's never happened to me, if a girl regularly does anal on video, and I shoot her for an anal scene, the girl will perform anal or the scene is canned. Frankly, I'm not having a vag only scene with a girl who does anal all over the place. Every girl and her agent is briefed on what kind of sex she will perform before the shoot.

However, if a girl simply will not lick a guy's nuts because she doesn't believe it's part of a blowjob, again, in general, I will can the scene cause that only portends problems when the actual penetration starts.

Never should a girl do what she doesn't want to do. Period. That includes fucking for a living.

Chico

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I know some directors have complained here on the forum about actresses saying they will do something, and then balking to do so when they show up for the scene. But I bet actresses have learned to play this game from the some directors, who will book for one thing, and try and get more. It's not like all the directors are paragons of honesty, setting wonderful examples for the actresses, though I imagine that there are those out there who do exist.

I have some opinion on this, because I'll purposely search out movies that are the "Initiations/New Talent" type, and look for ones that have little or no anal sex (or at least promise to), and still I see these pressured requests for anal being made, while I sit on my sofa, in my home, watching a DVD and thinking, "Weren't they supposed to discuss all this before the camera started rolling?"

Edited by - Renee on 2/20/2004 10:57:23 AM

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I agree that getting girls to do things they aren't prepared to do is bad form, but frankly, I don't think porn directors should be wasting their time with someone like Brooke. Guys should be hunting down someone with the spirit of Belladonna, and leave Brooke to telemarketing or something. Maybe even post office work - you no longer need to lick stamps these days, now they have the sponges. :)

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We know from Lex's website's FAQ that he doesn't do or receive rimming. Now, lets say he's in a scene with a new girl, and they're getting down and dirty, and she comes up behind him and starts tonguing his ass, because she's into it and wants to be nasty. Let's assume she knew beforehand it wasn't Lex's thing.

I have no idea whether Lex tells her to stop, or really how he handles it. Presumably he either stops the scene and says 'why'd you do that?', or gently tries to persuade her away from doing it, or just goes with the flow. Question is - how would we respond if he opted for the former option? Has this happened before, the man saying 'no way' to an act or situation when the girl is game, and then he being pressured into coming to the party? If the man walked off (unlikely or what?), would you hire him again?

I doubt this has ever happened, but I thought I'd throw it up there.

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-T.C.

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And I love Brooke too, think she is very sexy and has one of the best sets of funbags in the adult industry right now. I'm looking forward to this new Chico movie and hope for a great facial :)

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Must be great being part of the Old Boys Network.

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Ramsey, you know where the Etiquette thread is, please read it. Among the things we don't appreciate is name calling.

This thread was doing fairly well until I went to bed last night. If it continues to spiral down into a flame war, I will lock it.

(My email address is DenverDon@comcast.net and steph is at webmaster@adultdvdtalk.com if you wish.)

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Back to the topic, I believe what Chico means it when he talks about pressuring actresses. He's trying to get edgy footage, to give himself an advantage over other directors, and if he has to play on a girl's self esteem or fears to do it, well - so what! He's just being honest about his modus operandi .

Your comment about Lexington Steele: given his position as one of the top male stars, I would bet he does nothing except what he wants to do. With the prevalence of rimming, the fact that he hasn't done it makes me believe that he gets his way, period. If an actress were to do something like you have suggested, I assume Steele would stop the filming. The director would know full well that he can't just replace Steele on the spot, what with the shortage of top actors, so the director either would give into the actor's request for no rimming, or have to stop the scene. Either way, Steele doesn't have to do rimming.

Comparing this to the tens upon tens of young porn actresses who parade through Los Angeles, Budapest or Prague is not fair. A more equivalent situation would be Jenna Jameson, and her ability to say no to anal sex. If an actor tried to suddenly make her do anal in the middle of a scene - you can bet that the scene comes to a halt, and that's the last time that actor is in one of her films.

A note to Lee O: I am not the doyenne of ADT, others have been here far longer than me. I'm just a porn fan, who thinks viewers should get what they pay for, not more or less, and no big surprises, either.

Go and check out the thread about Rocco's thoughts on porn; I found a photo still of his that's out of the ordinary.

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I suppose Napier could've been pissed off and said - hey, are you up for this or what? I don't know if it was set-up that way, or if they'd planned to shoot a sex scene and Cherry just changed her mind. They turned it into a nice extra nonetheless.

Not having seen this scene, I wonder if it'll produce the same sort of warts-and-all buzz. I wonder if Vouyeur can match Napier's easy-going adapatability to a porn star saying 'no'. Anyway, sometimes it's what you don't get to see that's the biggest buzz of all.

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BTW I love being surprised when I put in a DVD , if it's a good surprise that is . The last one came with Anita Dark's train scene in L'Empreinte de Vice , I hadn't even noticed her in the cast list . Course , mostly they aint so pleasant or welcome ...

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Anyway all this hoopla only makes me stand a bit more behind VV, I just think he's an honest guy telling some what they don't want to hear or showing some what they don't want to see. I will say some of the girls I have talked to enjoy working for him, while others don't, all comes down to personal taste.

Also Ultrasiet said there was a girl in tears doing anal in Breakin em in #4, that was Crystal Ray, I assume she signed up for anal/DP and took both, but I don't know for sure 100% other than the fact she did anal and a DP . The man out side talking her back onto the set was David Luger, NOT VV.

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Just to set the record straight, I do not work for Vince Vouyer. His product is distributed through Red Light District and I work for Red Light. We have offices in the same building and that's about it. So the assumption that I defend him because he signs my checks is wrong.

These girls are paid to do a job. I would think that your employer expects 100% from you on the clock and no less. Why shouldn't directors do the same?

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Capitalist? I thought I was an artist!

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I've said my peace.

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I did my best and the director ended up cutting the scene, after bj, 3 vag positions and 2 short anal positions and 2 pops. because he felt I looked like I was in to much pain. I went home.I redid the scene (very well) the next week before I was paid.They were nice to me and in the end it all worked out, but my point was sure I thought I could take a big cock at the time, but theres big and then there is BIG.

It really pisses me off though that there are "Brookes" that will always get contracts and more work because they are hot, no matter how much attitude they throw.I know it's a fantasy and young hot girls are more valueable, but there are so many chicks out there doing every thing and loving it and bending over backwards and not getting the breaks or money she does.She has a right to say no to anything, and why should she ever say yes, she gets the gig anyways!

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The pity is that the industry as a whole, both people who make porn and people who watch it (chicken and egg) just don't place that big a premium on how much a woman might actually be enjoying offering herself up for our voyeuristic enjoyment. While you have something that's both rare and special, it's only a select group of viewers who place a premium on it. Were it the other way around, I'd probably watch a lot more porn.

-T.C.

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However, I know if I had to choose between Brooke or Kami to star in a production, well ... it's no contest!

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In most businesses, if you don't perform
the actual services agreed upon, you're
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Off-topic: Marcelle's a hottie

When can we see you in a porno

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I've had scenes when a girl was testing me. Her pussy hurts from working too much or her ass hurts from working too much.

I don't think I'm out of line when I tell her that I simply will not be able to shoot a scene at half speed because of her internal problems. Kind of like guys who can't get hard and are no longer invited on my sets.

I anticipate that the performers come to my set and act professional and give a professional caliber scene.

When a girl starts whining before the scene and am ill-prepared to give 100%, you have to cut your losses quick and complain vigorously to the agency.

Likewise, if a guy starts making excuses, you give him the evil eye and tell him to bail and ask one of your regulars.

After all, no director wants to shoot enough to 'get the scene' albeit how limpass and devoid of energy it is. Most directors want a smoking scene, not a scene buried in the middle of the video.

Just my opinion,

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