Can this please be eliminated from straight porn!

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CL Member 108 Posts 8/07	Posted - Aug 9 2007 : 9:23PM Right when the money shot scene is about to commence, why do they always have to show the guy jacking off. WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT! I would expect that shit in gay porn not straight porn. Directors please stop showing the guy jacking off before he cums on the girls face. It's a turn of and a wood killer. "Yeah well, you know, that's just like, your opinion, man" [Link]
McCutcheon Member "I guess you could say it's extremely vulgar; I like it a lot." 161 Posts 11/06	Posted - Aug 9 2007 : 9:37PM Doesn't bother me. I just don't want to see their cum faces. And I don't like it when it takes them forever to pop. Love your signature, btw. [Link]
canadianoak82 Member 26 Posts 8/07	Posted - Aug 9 2007 : 9:40PM i hear what youre saying CL, it isnt too much of a good thing watching that. but what can you do! [Link]
Vodveer Member 72 Posts 7/07	Posted - Aug 9 2007 : 9:47PM No doubt it's much easier to come on cue that way, saving everyone time. But that's no excuse. [Link]
LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06	Posted - Aug 9 2007 : 10:15PM I think they do it so they can grab a whole movies' worth of male jackoff footage to sell as a gay DVD on the side, thereby only paying the male talent one performance fee but getting twice the work out of him. But seriously....no more male masturbation footage in my straight porn please. If the guy has to handle it to aim it or position it or whatever, fine. Hell, if he can't get into the woman he's fucking enough to let HER get him off, he shouldn't be doing the scene in the first place. If the only way he can cum is to jack off while thinking about some OTHER woman who excites him, then only pair him with THAT woman. Whatever, enough is enough.....let her get you off or edit that shit out in it's entirety. I don't need to see the man cum, it's not why I watch straight porn. [Link]

Loraine Senior Member 1559 Posts 3/04	Posted - Aug 9 2007 : 10:32PM Oh you're a bunch of selfish pricks. What about me and my needs, huh? It's all about you. And you. And you. The jerking is the best bit. [Link]
Johnothan Pedak Senior Member Catastrophe 1594 Posts 6/07	Posted - Aug 9 2007 : 10:39PM I've never had a problem with the jerk off because I'm jerking off. Why should the guy have all the fun? I love the image of a beautiful girl on her knees patiently waiting for her treat. And let's not forget that the guy (usually) can hit her dead on. Too many times have I seen the girl stroke it off on her chin or tits. [Link]
McCutcheon Member "I guess you could say it's extremely vulgar; I like it a lot." 161 Posts 11/06	Posted - Aug 9 2007 : 10:42PM Johnothan Pedak wrote: I love the image of a beautiful girl on her knees patiently waiting for her treat. And let's not forget that the guy (usually) can hit her dead on. Too many times have I seen the girl stroke it off on her chin or tits. Click to expand Well said! Though, again, it is a wood killer when they take forever to pop. [Link]
Vodveer Member 72 Posts 7/07	Posted - Aug 9 2007 : 11:55PM No matter what sweetness is beheld kneeling and awaiting her reward, it is instantly squelched by the graceless, laughable sight of a dude spanking it. So much nicer to see a woman's hand, especially one with long, slender fingers, pumping for her prize. [Link]
ToneBone Member 176 Posts 8/07	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 2:07AM This whole jerk-to-pop BS has become what the cut-to-guy's face-before-pop used to be back in the day- Something that most viewers can't stand yet is included in every freaking scene as if it's mandated by law! My only hope is that one day it'll be as obsolete as the the man face shot is today. I don't, for even a second, accept the excuse that the guy needs to do that to shoot his load. If you still need to jerk off after fucking Alexis Texas for 30 minutes, go see a doctor....and get the hell out of porn. K-mart is always hiring. I've been watching a decent amount of classic vids recently. Most of the cum shots back then were a result of the guy pulling right out of the girl to shoot, or the girl sucking/jerking the guy to cum. No cheesy self-wacking sessions to be found. If those guys could get it done with often less attractive women, so should the current guys. No excuses. The worst part of the problem isn't just the ugly sight of a dude jerking himself. It's the ruining of the fantasy for the viewer. I mean, how how hot can this chick really be if this guy still has to play with himself to cum after banging her in every hole? We just need some directors brave enough to break out of the herd and put a stop to this none-sense. Just as the likes of Stagliano did when they dispensed with the extreme gyno shots and Man Face close-ups that used to be the standard in porn. Edited by - ToneBone on 8/10/2007 2:09:42 AM [Link]
JimGunn Member Where The Teens Are 173 Posts 1/02	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 2:31AM As I guy who shoots and edits hundreds of scenes every year, it's easy to explain why these things are often present in a scene. Because there usually is some kind of planning or discussion that takes place before the pop shot, just like earlier in a scene when there are little breaks to pee or adjust the lights sometimes or for some other unforseen interruption like an actor needing a sip of water or a girl starts bleeding, or someones cell that they forgot to put on vibrate starts ringing etc. Even in a scene that runs pretty smoothly with experienced talent, it's unrealistic for a 40 minute scene to go completely without interruption of any kind. And before the most important shot of the shoot, which like flipping a car over in an action move, you only get one shot at it, so you have to do it right, and that means really explaining to the female exactly how it is going to go, especially if she is new. So, why specifically does the editor include a short clip of the male face shot or the guy jerking off right before the actual pop you might ask? Well, you need a different angle or zoom level, like a wide to a closeup shot that kinda matches to tie the footage together, otherwise it would lead to a jarring jump cut. So it's either one of those shots, like the guy's face while coming or a cut away perhaps a close up to something else logical like the female's foot at that moment or a photo on the wall or an article of clothing on the floor that can tie together the footage between the part when the talent were still fucking, and the part where the discussion about the pop took place, instead of having a jump cut between two similar shots of the two talent which would look discordant. There are ways to make this transition look seamless, by trying to minimize using the jerk off footage, and cut to something sexy like a close up of the females hand on the guys body or something. But it's unrealistic to expect the end of the scene to be executed perfectly all of a sudden with the guy pulling out mid-stroke and making a smooth motion to the female's readily positioned face and getting the nicely positioned and lit cumshot that you all want. It's just not going to happen in most scenes, no matter how hot the girl is or how strong the guy is. Jim Gunn Productions Edited by - JimGunn on 8/10/2007 2:35:14 AM Edited by - JimGunn on 8/10/2007 2:36:00 AM [Link]
ToneBone Member 176 Posts 8/07	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 4:28AM ^Your points make sense on a certain level. But come on man. This isn't rocket science. There were plenty of great cum shots in classic porn. I would take most of them over the current ones. It can't be that hard to pull off. As the shoot gets toward the end, have the girl suck or jerk him off while holding her face near the damn thing. How can the load miss her face when her lips are attached to the cock?...And again, if the guy can't cum getting his dick sucked by girls waaaay out of his league, then give him a ride to the nearest Wendy's and help him fill out an application. Even if the guy is so numb that he can't cum without playing with himself, then have him jerk off and as he gets close have the girl grab it from him and jerk/suck it herself. You can then edit out the self-jerk footage. Any girl-induced cum shot would be better than the kind produced using the same method as the viewer! Edited by - ToneBone on 8/10/2007 4:33:07 AM [Link]
conquistador Deactivated User Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 4:40AM On a "certain level" Did you read the post? The points made excellent sense and they came from a person who has experience. There is no "herd" to break away from because it is either impossible or completely impractical to leave this "herd" of which you speak when it comes to editing these movies. This isn't really an ambiguous problem, it has to do with how the camera operators film the scenes. Did you see the paragraph where JimGunn said "But it's unrealistic to expect the end of the scene to be executed perfectly all of a sudden with the guy pulling out mid-stroke and making a smooth motion to the female's readily positioned face and getting the nicely positioned and lit cumshot that you all want. It's just not going to happen in most scenes, no matter how hot the girl is or how strong the guy is." [o\\|] Why would you bother porn producers to attempt to achieve unrealistic things in their work? Work is about practicality. I don't know what kind of place you work at but where I am employed if something is considered unrealistic we do something we consider realistic instead. Pretty simple, if things were perfect they would be perfect. Things are not perfect, they are realistic. See where I am going with this.....? Edited by - conquistador on 8/10/2007 4:45:33 AM [Link]
ToneBone Member 176 Posts 8/07	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 6:14AM conquistador wrote: There is no "herd" to break away from because it is either impossible or completely impractical to leave this "herd" of which you speak when it comes to editing these movies. Click to expand Bullshit. People once said the same crap about the omnipresent Man Face Close-ups. Did the sky fall when they did away with that useless nuisance? Porn existed for ages before this "jerk to pop" crap became standard. That by itself shoots down the suggestion that it's "impractical" to film any other way. Did you see the paragraph where JimGunn said "But it's unrealistic to expect the end of the scene to be executed perfectly all of a sudden with the guy pulling out mid-stroke and making a smooth motion to the female's readily positioned face and getting the nicely positioned and lit cumshot that you all want. Click to expand And I addressed that point with a very simple solution. Something that was common in classic porn. The male doesn't necessarily have to pull out of the girl in RCG to pop on her face. A simple bj to pop would do the trick. And it would be FAR sexier than watching a guy jack himself to death. [Link]
conquistador Deactivated User Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 6:43AM What porn filming and editing experience do you have with modern day high end cameras? I am very curious how you acquired this appearent knowledge about editing and shooting on sets? Which studio do you shoot for? Because I already know that Jim Gunn actually has real world porn shooting experience. He has been making XXX since 1993. He has no reason to lie about it being impractical. This clearly was explained that this was more then a "useless nuisance". It had to do with cameras, performers, lighting and pop shots and sound recording all coming together properly at a crucial moment. Maybe not as easy as it sounds? Then the whole mess has to be edited together. Porn people take shortcuts just like in any jobs there are tricks of the trade. Corners cut and people still buy the product. Many thousand are put out each year. The only real way to get people to change their editing style is to vote with your money. Don't buy stuff you don't like. Edited by - conquistador on 8/10/2007 6:46:20 AM [Link]

ToneBone Member 176 Posts 8/07	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 6:57AM conquistador wrote: I am very curious how you acquired this appearent knowledge about editing and shooting on sets? Which studio do you shoot for? Click to expand So now you're reduced to this line of argument? How old are you...12? The least you can do is read people's posts before you argue against them. Nowhere in my posts did I claim any of the none-sense you've written here. I don't have to be an "expert editor" to recognize that porn existed long before this self-jerk idiocy became commonplace. If it's so impractical to shoot any other way, how come they got by without it for so long? There IS an easy alternative to this crap, it existed before, and I clearly explained it in my last post. It's just basic common sense bro. Give it a try sometime. I'll be back in a few hours. You'll have to find someone else to play with till then. Edited by - ToneBone on 8/10/2007 6:58:29 AM [Link]
conquistador Deactivated User Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 7:18AM But what were you talking about when you said "And I addressed that point with a very simple solution." If you had no experience to know if it was even feasible how could it have been anything like a "solution"? That is why I was asking. Some porn folks probably post anonymously. Suggesting a solution and being familiar with it's practical implementations are a bit different. This would be plain to a 12 year old as well. Being familiar with porn a long time viewer is not the same as making it yourself. How as a viewer could you possibly be familiar with the precise techniques used in the film making unless you worked on a set also? It would have to be speculation. Most 12 year olds would know enough to ask if you had any real experience or were just making solutions up thinking they would work. Clearly it has been tried, as was already mentioned. Just most often it doesn't work out perfectly. [Link]
BumBum Member 395 Posts 1/07	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 8:00AM I don't see why they have to do a facial in the first place! Is there really any significant population of guys who, given the choice, would come on a lady's face instead of in her ass or pussy? I think the whole cum shot thing is off base. Come inside the woman like most people do! And I, for one don't really care to see the jizz leaking out. Who cares! [Link]
BSD Senior Member San Diego, CA 2508 Posts 11/03	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 8:18AM BUM BUM - Yes, there are many. I for one, love cumming on a willing female face. And since that doesn't happen all that much in real life, I definitely enjoy seeing it in my porn, where fantasy is the order of the day. That IS one of the whole points of porn, fantasy. BSD [Link]
brewski Deactivated User 208 Posts 6/07	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 8:29AM BumBum wrote: I don't see why they have to do a facial in the first place! Is there really any significant population of guys who, given the choice, would come on a lady's face instead of in her ass or pussy? I think the whole cum shot thing is off base. Come inside the woman like most people do! And I, for one don't really care to see the jizz leaking out. Who cares! Click to expand +1 [Link]
BigBobxxx Senior Member 2681 Posts 5/04	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 8:56AM There is an "antidote." The Hand to Mouth series (Pat Myne, as Danny Case, from 3rd Degree) is exclusively the girls sucking and stroking the studs to climax -- no parolees jacking-off. I just watched Hand to Mouth #4 last night, and was thoroughly aroused. It is so much more exciting to have the girls finishing the guys off! So, whatever extra effort(s) are involved, I salute Pat, 3rd Degree and the talent involved for taking the time to make a superior product [Link]
Endless Loop Senior Member Tomatometer 1129 Posts 8/04	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 8:56AM Well, I certainly appreciate Jim Gunn at least stepping forward to explain the reasons. Various consistencies with shooting, that I see no reason to doubt. From now on, whenever jerk to pop rants are posted, we can offer links to this thread. [Link]
threesomebody Official BlowBang Judge Would you like my autograph? 2491 Posts 12/04	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 9:00AM Loraine wrote: Oh you're a bunch of selfish pricks. What about me and my needs, huh? It's all about you. And you. And you. The jerking is the best bit. Click to expand Ha! +1 [Link]
Endless Loop Senior Member Tomatometer 1129 Posts 8/04	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 9:15AM Loraine wrote: Oh you're a bunch of selfish pricks. What about me and my needs, huh? It's all about you. And you. And you. The jerking is the best bit. Click to expand Maybe shes right, and all along, women have just been better at hiding their widely popular, highly prized, jerk to pop collections? I mean, with all due respect to Mr Gunn, supply and demand does make more sense. Edited by - Endless Loop on 8/10/2007 9:22:54 AM [Link]
McCutcheon Member "I guess you could say it's extremely vulgar; I like it a lot." 161 Posts 11/06	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 10:37AM ToneBone wrote: I've been watching a decent amount of classic vids recently. Most of the cum shots back then were a result of the guy pulling right out of the girl to shoot, or the girl sucking/jerking the guy to cum. No cheesy self-wacking sessions to be found. If those guys could get it done with often less attractive women, so should the current guys. No excuses. Click to expand I don't know what you mean by "classic" but most of my favorite stuff is from the late 80s and 90s. From what I recall, it wasn't at all uncommon to see a guy give a few tugs before he popped. As I wrote above, I don't like it when it takes them forever to pop. They should be ready to go after 5 tugs/strokes at the most. And if that is all it is, these extra seconds can add to the anticipation of the girl "waiting for her treat," as Johnothan Pedak wrote above. It also offers the woman the opportunity (depending on how it is shot) to do something sexy with her eyes and/or mouth. What really amuses me about all this is the near gay panic it seems to drive some guys into. OMG!! He is stroking his cock! And I'm watching it!! Aargh!!! Lighten up! You won't turn gay if you happen to see this. It is hardcore pornography you are watching and usually an erect penis is part of that. And, yes, sometimes the male in a scene will put his own hand on said penis. Just continue to pump away yourself and focus on the woman. [Link]

ntfighter Member 645 Posts 7/07	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 10:56AM Jim Gunn make excellent sense. Thanks to him for allowing us to see this from the producers point. Well that explains it the jerk to pop and male cum-face are devices introduced to address a technical issue. Now we know the reason it started, maybe we can see it in fewer movies. Did I read his post correctly to say that he stops the action just before the pop and explains to the actors exactly what he expects?, wouldn't that draw the heat out of the scene faster then the void between the stars?. There has got to be a better way. [Link]
Kim H Member 8 Posts 8/07	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 2:40PM I think it's all right as long as it doessn't take forever, because that can get boring pretty soon. I think it's natural, men know what motions get them off best. Usually. [Link]
CL Member 108 Posts 8/07	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 4:10PM I think some people are missing the point. in the porn scenes where i've seen the the man cum right after fucking the girl or getting head, it just makes the scene better. and the guy that touched to the hand to mouth series is right. Is it too much to ask of porn producers to have the girl jack off/suck off the guy, instead of the guy jacking off for 2-4 minutes. just like the shot of the guys face before he cums, the dude jacking off endlessly needs to go!!! "Yeah well, you know, that's just like, your opinion, man" [Link]
threesomebody Official BlowBang Judge Would you like my autograph? 2491 Posts 12/04	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 4:18PM CL wrote: Is it too much to ask of porn producers to have the girl jack off/suck off the guy, instead of the guy jacking off for 2-4 minutes. Click to expand If you don't want to see the guy jack off for 4 minutes, you need to stop watching gay porn. I have never seen that in a porn movie in my life, and I watch a lot! [Link]
conquistador Deactivated User Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 4:44PM CL: Odd, I have never ever had the problem with getting a porn movie and a guy endlessly jacking off. Are you sure you are shopping in the right section of the store? I am really curious what some porn some of you folks because is must really be scraping the bottom of the XXX barrel. The endless jack off video sounds terrible, does it work on a loop tape or do you have to rewind it? Something like this would just HAVE to be on video. [Link]
Johnothan Pedak Senior Member Catastrophe 1594 Posts 6/07	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 4:49PM Thank you Jim Gunn for the truth. Logistically things can only happen a certain way. Too often people confuse reality with fantasy. And what is all this talk about jerking off shots being equal to homosexuality? This cannot make you gay. No matter what a politician might say in an election year. "He didn't give you Gay did he?" -Homer Simpson [Link]
ToneBone Member 176 Posts 8/07	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 5:59PM ^Let's not confuse the issue. I don't think it's so much "gay" as it is a huge turn-off. It is infinitely hotter to end the sex with the girl sucking/jerking the guy to completion than to watch the dude play with himself. Plain and simple. Someone brought up the fantasy aspect- well I've never fantasized about waxing my own pole while a hot willing babe is sitting right in front of me! And again, I don't buy any of the "technical" cop-outs being offered here. A girl sucking off the guy instead of the guy jacking himself should have no effect on "practicality" or "editing". It's been done plenty of times in the past and the present with great results. It's time we send the Self-Jerk Pop to the same retirement home as the Man Face Close-up. [Link]
conquistador Deactivated User Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 6:15PM You say it should have no effect but the actual producers say it does. Who do you think is right? Again I ask what experience you have with this other then being a viewer, you never answered my 12 year old question. And what porn companies you have shot for or the time you have spent on sets. Maybe you are just SO experienced that your knowledge transcends even the current professionals. If that is true go out there and make some porn. You surly know techniques that no one else knows with your "simple solutions" Maybe you don't know what you're talking about? Accept the reality, it's not as easy as it look. And being a film viewer does not make you a film maker. Edited by - conquistador on 8/10/2007 6:19:15 PM [Link]
LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 6:17PM Loraine wrote: Oh you're a bunch of selfish pricks. What about me and my needs, huh? It's all about you. And you. And you. The jerking is the best bit. Click to expand HEY! I gave you a link to dozens of guys jacking off. Sheesh you are sooooo high maintenance. Nag, nag nag...... [Link]
ntfighter Member 645 Posts 7/07	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 6:40PM Johnothan Pedak wrote: Thank you Jim Gunn for the truth. Logistically things can only happen a certain way. Too often people confuse reality with fantasy. And what is all this talk about jerking off shots being equal to homosexuality? This cannot make you gay. No matter what a politician might say in an election year. "He didn't give you Gay did he?" -Homer Simpson Click to expand Why is it that each time there is a point of contention in a discussion about some aspect of porn someone attempts the explanation that its a "fantasy" Gonzo porn is about people actually fucking, the sex should and can be real. Every artifice introduced by the 3rd party (producers) take away form that realism, be it cut to cum face or males jerking off. [Link]

CL Member 108 Posts 8/07	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 6:50PM ok maybe people didnt understand my exaggerating hyperbole, but I have seen way too many films where the guy is jacking off in front of the girl for what seems like ages. "Yeah well, you know, that's just like, your opinion, man" [Link]
conquistador Deactivated User Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 7:08PM I think I do understand what you are talking about but it is hard not to just make a joke about it because thus is the nature of porn. Producers do care what we want to see, but they care more about what they can easily show/produce. I have been bitching about generic "couch porn" for what seems like forever and yes it is still churned out at a break-neck pace. There are diamonds in the rough, just lots of rough shit to check out when you are looking. My only good advice is vote with your money and read reviews before you purchase. You never know the true mentality of the actors, maybe some guys can't pop without some help from their own hand and imagination. Remember, porn is a job and not like a non-stop sex party (I'm sure you know), the films take work. [Link]
ToneBone Member 176 Posts 8/07	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 7:20PM conquistador wrote: You say it should have no effect but the actual producers say it does. Who do you think is right? Click to expand The same producers once used the same "technical" cop-outs to justify the Man Face Close-Ups...Untill someone broke out of the herd and eliminated that none-sense, and lo and behold, Porn did not end!...The Sky didn't fall!...and the Earth still revolves around the sun. Your misfortune is that you will drink whatever kool aid is put in front of you. If the average viewer had your imbecilic mindest we would still be watching endless loops of guys making goofy faces disguised as porn! Maybe you are just SO experienced that your knowledge transcends even the current professionals. If that is true go out there and make some porn. You surly know techniques that no one else knows with your "simple solutions" Click to expand My apologies. I was so off base for calling you a 12 year old. The only thing missing from that paragraph was you ending it with "nanny nanny boo boo"! Now get off the adult-restricted boards and go find someone of your own mental age to play with. [Link]
conquistador Deactivated User Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 7:53PM Is this post just rambling nonsense, or was there a point? I am trying to say that pros are right and you are wrong. What are you trying to say? Made any porn that disproves Jim Gunn's point and proves your own? Can I see it? Eating everyday doesn't make you a master chef. Watching tons of porn doesn't make you a pornographer. You have no credibility, your "simple solutions" would probably be used if they were actually simple solutions to a problem. Jim Gunn says it is very hard to do and he has been making porn since '93. You have "simple solutions" and have been making porn since never.......... Do you really think that if your "simple solutions" worked people wouldn't have adopted them longs ago as they seemed so obvious to you, someone with no technical expertise even? And you think I am 12? Edited by - conquistador on 8/10/2007 8:23:04 PM [Link]
ToneBone Member 176 Posts 8/07	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 8:21PM I am trying to say that pros are right and you are wrong. What are you trying to say? Click to expand I'm saying that just because a "pro" says something, doesn't mean it is a universal law mandated to be followed by sheep like you. These same pros once believed eliminating the Man Face Close-Up will spell the end of mankind. Not that I expect you to get this simple point after I bounced it against your skull for the umpteenth time. Made any porn that disproves Jim Gunn's point and proves your own? Can I see it? Click to expand LMAO! You do realize your only contribution to this thread so far as been that of a sycophantic fanboy without a mind or even an opinion of his own....right? Hey, whatever floats your boat bro. Now here's your cue to crush my arguments yet again by telling me I haven't made any porn and your dad can beat up mine. Go ahead bro. Don't let the "pros" down. They're counting on your invincible logic. [Link]
conquistador Deactivated User Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 8:24PM I have been looking at this porn board for a long time by this point, my point was to disprove a know-it-all fan. Lots of fans come on post a bit and think they have discovered some "better" way to do things. It is usually pretty funny how quick they get shut down by people who actually know what they are talking about. I was trying to telly to you aren't going to get a better answer then Jim Gunn's he was right. Your ideas would have been implemented if they worked. Move on. Trying to answer a question, you have to offer proof with your answers, you offer none, insult me, and ignore the only one who knows what he is talking about. And offer no proof that you have any idea that your "simple solutions" would work in a real word and practical way? What are you on about at this point? Just avoiding having to prove credibility? And just insulting me because I want you to prove your argument? Edited by - conquistador on 8/10/2007 8:31:44 PM [Link]
ToneBone Member 176 Posts 8/07	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 8:37PM conquistador wrote:Your ideas would have been implemented if they worked. Move on. Edited by - conquistador on 8/10/2007 8:28:41 PM Click to expand Except they HAVE been implemented before...and they HAVE worked. But that's just the facts. Why would I expect you to waste time with such minor inconveniences? [Link]
conquistador Deactivated User Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 8:48PM Please, start shooting the perfect porn scenes. I would love to see something new. [Link]
ToneBone Member 176 Posts 8/07	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 8:52PM ^ But you forgot to do the nany nany boo boo!!... Go away fool. I'm done suffering you. Edited by - ToneBone on 8/10/2007 8:55:26 PM [Link]
ToneBone Member 176 Posts 8/07	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 8:53PM Edited by - ToneBone on 8/10/2007 8:54:31 PM [Link]
Johnothan Pedak Senior Member Catastrophe 1594 Posts 6/07	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 11:06PM Some producer is reading this thread thinking: "My next project will have the girl doing all the work while the guy is completely immobile!" Edited by - Johnothan Pedak on 8/10/2007 11:07:34 PM [Link]
Woody Johnson Member 112 Posts 7/07	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 11:26PM I wanted to give a big harummpf! to CL. You said it perfectly. Sometimes the girl is doing an AWESOME job with her hands and mouth and the guy pulls out. Retarded! It's so much better seeing the girl do it. Also the best part is watching the follow through. It's pretty lame when the girl sees the guy is coming and decides to stop cranking. Girls like that need to go back to porn-school. [Link]
Guam Member 613 Posts 2/07	Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 11:43PM Hmmm....before reading Jim's cinematic explanations, I thought the answer would be that a real strong (distance and volume) cum shot is easier to achieve with the driver at the wheel, so to speak, and alleviate the threat of the lady zigging when she should have zagged and taking one over the shoulder. I guess he sort of made the last point... PS: I also hate the cut to guys face thing tho. Why not cut to the Mets game or something productive for a minute :-) Edited by - guam on 8/10/2007 11:45:09 PM [Link]
LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06	Posted - Aug 11 2007 : 10:25AM Johnothan Pedak wrote: Some producer is reading this thread thinking: "My next project will have the girl doing all the work while the guy is completely immobile!" Click to expand Point him to me for his first sale please. [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Aug 11 2007 : 12:47PM With me it's not that big a deal. But there are some times that an edit would be helpful. Sometimes it just goes on waaay too long to the point it looks silly and seems uncomfortable for the girl just hanging around waiting. The most embarrasing shots are when the girl tries to help move things along and the guy pushes her away like she's about to bite it off or something. [Link]
Uncle Fester Deactivated User I rock, therefore I am! 131 Posts 6/07	Posted - Aug 11 2007 : 4:27PM I agree with the editing. And the whole arguement about providing continuity is a load of crap. I mean, really, how may times is there an edit and we go from the girl dressed and giving head and then the next scene she is in a RCA DP. It's just laziness in post production. [Link]