We didn't bring a compass 'cause we ain't got nowhere to go 173 Posts 4/09
Posted - Sep 11 2009 : 5:46PM
^ Right! And that's exactly what an increasing number of people/customers realize: The old futuristic idea that the new stuff has to replace the old stuff is fading. They can coexist, and this opens business opportunities for innovative companies. Vinyl example again: Instead of selling their customers the vinyl version and then making them purchase the mp3 separately (or encode from vinyl or illegally download), innovative small companies sell them the vinyl with a download coupon for the mp3 version. Thereby they don't leave them feel ripped off, but keep them as satisfied customers, and more importantly, they connect to their customers on every level. This connection also lowers the risk of stealing. People are less inclined to steal stuff from people they know than from a faceless company that doesn't seem to care for what they need.
I didn't say don't fight -- I just wonder how much good it will do in the long run. Maybe if there were a federal law saying that those that illegally distribute more than five copies (the person that just makes a copy for a friend or a back-up copy should not be punished in my opinion) of a single copyrighted work serve life in prison without parole -- maybe then you would get some results. Short of that, I think porn will have to go to advertiser-supported means within the next twenty years or so.
Exactly. It's kinda like when I bought the most recent Rambo movie, and the Wonder Woman animated movie, and I was given a digital copy also. I have nothing against digital copies, as long as I have a tangible item to hold in my hands. And, to use a phrase someone else used, it's not just "hip-hop heads" and "hipsters" who enjoy tangible things. More to the point, hip-hop fans are pretty loyal, and certainly not in the same category of "hipsters" (which I think of as temporary and superficial) and I think their presence will only continue a vinyl trade, especially if music continues in its mainstream downward spiral.
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Tyrone Deactivated User
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Posted - Sep 13 2009 : 8:46PM
Vinyl is a tiny part of the the music industry, as will be DVDs and other physical media in the future. As much as you like to hold a CD or DVD box, most younger people don't care about it. In fact, CDs are a pain because you need a place to store them, and they contain tracks that you might not even like. I can tell you that I wouldn't spend $15 for a CD when I only like two of the songs on it. Beyond that, it costs money to manufacture and distribute physical media. Delivering stuff over the Internet just requires some servers and a good Internet connection. Apple seems to have pretty well nailed it. By the way, the audio files can contain lyrics, pictures, comments, and other stuff. The same is true for video. Netflix already has video rental by Internet delivery (by streaming). In the long run, will media files be stored in the Internet cloud rather than on your device, so you can listen to your content no matter what device you're carrying?
I want Blu-Ray but its just not feasible at this time and we all KNOW that the Asian knock offs are right around the corner. As far transferring old material to new tech that's always been the collector's dilenma. Even in high end legitimate museum art.
And since digital has no loss, not like in the old days when the x-generation of copied tapes sounded like shit, all those people can make 5 copies under this law, and all those people can make 5 copies, and so on. The first 5 copies for friends. Those 5 makes copies, now 25 copies have bene made. Those 25 make copies, now 125 copies have been made. Those 125 make copies, now 625 copies have been made. Those 625 make their copies, now 3125 copies have been made that all sound the same as the original product. In just 5 rings we've already copied over a 3,000 run of DVDs/CDs or whatever media we were just legally allowed to distribute. Maybe everyone should have bought a copy. At this point if the CD/DVD/etc cost $10.00, $31,250 has been lost that would have paid the artists/production company/people who made the disc/people who sold the disc/etc. Great law. Maybe the publishing company should have to pay everyone who gets a copy a dollar too in the process. Edited by - Flash on 9/13/2009 9:54:37 PM
An extreme example, but OK. . . I was attempting to offer an idea that is actually workable -- no one would support a law where anyone that copies anything gets life in prison. My idea would get rid of scofflaws that make money on illegal copies without going after those that just make a back-up copy or give one to one or two friends. To me it should be legal to make one back-up copy and import onto a MP3 player, period. Making copies to sell without proper royalties paid should be illegal and cause life in prison, period. Maybe that would work better.
I can see making it legal to make a backup copy, for your own use. It's the copies for the friends that is the issue.
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Tyrone Deactivated User
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Posted - Sep 14 2009 : 4:37AM
By and large, porn DVDs are interchangeable crap, and cost almost nothing to make (in terms of time or money). The fact that they cost $30+ is ridiculous. The pornmeisters will be overwhelmed by the amateurs, whose stuff is frankly no worse (and occasionally a lot better) than what the "pros" crank out. People don't want to spend $15 for a CD, but they pay a buck a song for the ones they like. How will the porn industry parallel that? Downloadable cum shots for a dollar each? We're at the end of an era.
I understand. As I said, I was attempting to come up with a workable solution that took care of the bulk of the problem. I don't see the need to incarcerate a person for making 2-3 copies -- a fine, maybe -- but those that operate illegal tube sites or make hundreds of copies to sell (you know who you are) should get life in prison -- if not life, at least 20 years in ass-fuck nightly by five bubbas land (otherwise called prison). I think that would take care of the problem and put copyright holders in a place to make money and better product. If this was in place, people with copyrights like Hollywood Woody (owner of Vivid) would see his content on a site, then instead of calling his lawyer, call the FBI. Instead of just taking down one company's work, the operator would be arrested and go to prison, shutting down that site and effectively enforcing the copyrights for everyone (not just Vivid and others with net-savvy owners like Hollywood Woody as the system does now). After a couple of tube sites were shut down in this manner, they would all cease operations to avoid being charged themselves. This would save Vivid and others money that they now spend on attorneys to get their content off of these rogue sites.
I agree... but the old guard will ignore the technological change for as long as they can, until an iTunes or NetFlicks or Amazon or some other disruptive technology builds a better mousetrap and puts them out of business. I passed a "Wherehouse" music store (or rather the shell of the building) yesterday. Hoo woulda thunkit? The content industries can't continue like this... some young gun from Silicon Valley is going to totally upset the applecart sooner or later.
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Tyrone Deactivated User
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Posted - Sep 14 2009 : 2:53PM
"The content industries can't continue like this... some young gun from Silicon Valley is going to totally upset the applecart sooner or later." You said what I was thinking. There's a great business opportunity here.
OK, but "What is it?" is the question... I've often been struck by how clueless a lot of store owners seem to be. I haven't been to my local porn store in over a year. I popped back in the week before last and was talking to one of the guys there that knows me. He was pretty angry at his boss (the owner) because he was doing nothing but business as usual instead of trying to think of ways to keep customers coming in to the store. He said that the boss won't listen to anyone who says that the drop in sales is not due to the recession, but the changing tide. Everyone seems to know but him. If you can think of something, I'd be very happy for you :)
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Tyrone Deactivated User
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Posted - Sep 15 2009 : 3:04AM
I suspect porn videos will follow the same path as non-porn movies. Netflix had a great idea, and is now eating Blockbuster's lunch. Blockbuster is not doing well competing on Netflix' turf (delivery by mail). I don't know if there is a porn equivalent for Netflix. Internet delivery of movies will be the next big thing. Eventually all TVs will have network connections (wired? wireless?), and movies will be delivered directly to them. The problem now is that, in the U.S., people's Internet connection speed generally sucks. That will eventually change, although it's embarrassing how far behind we are. The problem is that you can't just create a product, like a can opener, that stands alone. It takes a lot of infrastructure, getting movie distribution rights, etc. It's something Apple has done very well with the iTunes Store. Maybe they or a spinoff will do it. Once it's done for regular movies, the porn industry will copy the method. Or vice versa. Or maybe there will be some totally different way to do it that I can't imagine. In any case, DVDs are going the way of home cooked meals.
NetPornFlix...If there's no such thing, there should be. Are you one of the dinosaurs in the industry? You see what's happened to Chrysler and GM? Guess what's going to happen to you?
We didn't bring a compass 'cause we ain't got nowhere to go 173 Posts 4/09
Posted - Sep 15 2009 : 6:55AM
Ty! If it isn't my favourite new pet, trying to make me jealous by talking to other men again! About the porn-netflix, I could tell you, but you're much cuter alone in the dark. Edited by - poloprinz on 9/15/2009 6:56:56 AM
Actually, porn created that arena as well. I subscribed to one in 2005-2006, service was actually pretty good. I don't remember the name, but subscribed through the AVN site. Actually, I am thinking about re-upping that subscription.
My past is a foreign country. Most things are different there, including word usage. 503 Posts 12/06
Posted - Sep 15 2009 : 1:16PM
This may be a bit off-topic, but I wanted to ask for a reaction (comment) from hollywood woody
Tyrone Deactivated User
51 Posts 9/09
Posted - Sep 18 2009 : 1:52PM
The iTunes store is the wave of the future. It or something like it will deliver all kinds of media, including movies, and including porno movies. It's been going on for a while on cable with pay per view. Eventually TVs will have the computer built in. In fact, the new ones have ethernet connections. Say bye bye to DVDs. If you like the artwork on CD and DVD boxes, you can get it as image files, like the ones you get with iTunes songs. If you really need to fondle the picture, you can print it out. Just trying to stamp out pirated DVDs is like playing wack-a-mole. You will be overwhelmed. Here's a clue: the stuff you crank out like sausage isn't worth $35.
Ah, come on now, next you'll be sayin' that Tyrone is the wave of the future! That's crazzzzeee talk! Ain't that the truth. But still it's worth something. I anxiously await your reply as soon as you sign up as Tyrone 2.01. RIP, oh great one!
Pointless since you won't be around long in your what 3rd or 4th reincarnation, but The Dark Knight makes money from being in the theaters, on premium cable, on network television, from rentals and from DVD/Blu-ray purchases Your average porn film makes money from rentals and from DVD/Blu-ray purchases only. And the amount of rentals and DVD/Blu-ray purchases pales in comparison to what The Dark Knight will have. Therefore each unit sells for higher to make up for the cost then make profit so you can see another porn film. Also, you picked a time when The Dark Knight appears to be on sale at most stores so you are using a price that appears to be lower than it's standard price on Blu-ray.
I believe the future will be a combination of streaming, and solid state devices. Imagine, 24 hours of non-stop butt sex on a chip the size of a breath strip! You could dispose of the evidence by swallowing it! I sure hope they make them easily digestible, and with assorted flavors! It's all fun and games until someone gets an ear poked out!
