In Canada is it considered to be child porn if anyone 18 years of age or older looks like or appears to be under 18 when they are actually 18 years old or 20 or 25? If so this law should not exist because the law declares them to be a legal adult at 18 so therefore such porn should not and cannot be considered child porn or else the law clashes with hypocrisy, claiming yes they are an adult but its child porn. No it can only be adult porn because the law has DECLARED them as one. So an 18 or 20 year old can't look young or act immature is that what the Canadian law is saying? In reality they should be allowed to look,dress and act anyway they choose or agree to in porn because such content CANNOT BE child porn WHEN THE LAW HAS DECLARED THEM TO BE AN ADULT. I think Canada needs a good lesson from good ole United States of America because USA don't have any bs laws such as that one that has a double edged sword that sticks it to men who buy porn featuring legal adults. Edited by - doug v on Sep 8 2016
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Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User
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Posted - Sep 8 2016 : 12:12AM
what law are you quoting here and what case are you wanting to discuss? I am not aware of anything where someone received a criminal conviction over having porn of adults that "looked under 18". I know border guards or police have visually seen things, assumed the people were underage, and filed charges or confiscated material. However, charges are dropped as soon as the investigation finds that the person is a legal adult and the material is usually returned. We have even had cases where people had slasher films and a border guard thought it was legit snuff. However, shortly after it gets cleared up and everyone is on their way. Would you be someone who had material taken while crossing the border under that suspicion? They can take anything they want; however, you will not get a criminal conviction over anything like that; the charge would not progress and you would likely get your material returned unless it violated some other laws WE don't have anti porn crusaders in our legal system going after people like Max hardcore got in the USA. Can you elaborate on what you actually are saying? Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 9/8/2016 12:15:52 AM
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doug v Deactivated User
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Posted - Sep 8 2016 : 1:08AM
A cousin i know ordered some porn on ebay and after he picked of the package at Can.Post he noticed 2 dvds were detained by Canada Customs, 1 dvd was from Max Hardcore and was detained to detemine obsenity, the other from JM prod. to determine admissability.So i guess theyre confirming if theyre 18 or over which of course they are. I wonder what they think may be obscene about the Max H dvd. The porn law in Canada should be this, "if the sexual act is legal between consenting adults, then it should be legal to view as porno including entering into Canada." But Canada Customs are saying due to their law or policy "yes its a legal sex act between adults, but you can't watch it as a porno or it cant enter into Canada.", Once again Canada Customs are being unfair and hypocritical. Edited by - doug v on 9/8/2016 7:20:35 AM
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06
Posted - Sep 8 2016 : 1:42AM
Obscenity and Child porn are two completely different things. If they suspected it was child porn they would probably identified it as such, not obscenity.
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doug v Deactivated User
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Posted - Sep 8 2016 : 2:02AM
..........edit Edited by - doug v on 9/8/2016 4:24:06 AM
Well it's like you said in your deleted post. Canadian law considers it child porn if the performers are depicted as being underage. Which in Max's movies they clearly are, so there you go.
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doug v Deactivated User
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Posted - Sep 8 2016 : 7:58AM
No, for the Max Hardcore dvd its stated on the customs detention form, "detained for determination of obsenity", and for the JM Productions dvd its stated, "to determine admissibility". Once again if a woman is depicted to be under age(which i never saw in porn to be honest), such porn should not and cannot be deemed child porn when THE LAW deemed her an adult. Fock man, so they can't act in porn? So if a woman were to act like a mentally challenged person, they'll find that illegal or to be child porn too? Its an adult acting, its not a child and not a minor, then cannot be deemed illegal or child porn. Edited by - doug v on 9/8/2016 8:06:16 AM
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Posted - Sep 8 2016 : 8:15AM
What if the porn actress is depicted as a minor and acts and says shes one when shes 18 or 22?They would actually consider this to be child porn in Canada(but not in USA) and would my cousin get arrested if this applied to him?(he did research those 2 dvds on internet after receiving the detention notices and found out through a review that a young woman(like 20) says shes under age in that Max Hardcore title and he doesnt know if she acted or pretended to be a minor in that scene).They cant deem it child porn when the law declared her an adult.That can be compared to the law charging a person for murder when he only slapped a person in the face.Im pretty sure a real couple will not get arrested if the 20 year old wife acted and said she was a minor.If that sex act is legal between adults then it cant be illegal as porn or theres hypocrisy within the law. Edited by - doug v on 9/8/2016 8:51:23 AM
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Posted - Sep 8 2016 : 1:52PM
^^Etiquette. She and I had our disagreements but I really am going to miss her contributions, especially since I'm part of an endangered species here. Anyway, that's OT so I won't say more on it.
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Dragon Sign Deactivated User
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Posted - Sep 8 2016 : 1:59PM
Fuck Canada and their opinions. They spek french and live in the woods.
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06
Posted - Sep 8 2016 : 2:01PM
^^ I actually enjoyed most of her posts up until the last month when they all took a different tone. I suspect you'll probably find her posting on the LP forums soon.
I have no clue because I have ordered plenty of porn from the US and I never had a single problem with any of them and some of them where Max movies. Child pornography is only possible if the person appearing on screen is under the legal age of consent which in Canada would be 18. Of course obscenity is another thing and hard to defend with some of the stuff Max did.
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Sep 8 2016 : 5:41PM
^I'd like to move on, but I have to add in response that she was not a troll.
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Dragon Sign Deactivated User
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Posted - Sep 8 2016 : 5:47PM
Those people doing the job of deactivating, they have balls, pussies, brains and noses, eyes and ears and everything. I don't believe in robots, never did, never will be.
@ Dragon Six: I guess by derailing this thread we did indeed "fuck Canada living in the woods" eh ? Anyway I guess we can allow this thread to return to whatever it was about now ....
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doug v Deactivated User
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Posted - Sep 8 2016 : 8:29PM
What is obscene about Max's dvds? Canadian child porn laws ALSO state, or a person who is DEPICTED to be a minor in porn is child pornography. That means even if a 25 year old is pretending,dressing and acting like an immature 17 year old in pig tails, Canada deems that to be child porn but USA does not. Is this true? If so sure seems its a Canadian law BASED ON HATRED of men who buy porn with women in it. Can someone who really knows the correct answer please reply, thanks. Edited by - doug v on 9/9/2016 12:15:36 AM Edited by - doug v on 10/13/2016 10:04:50 AM
^ Is there a particular reason you keep repeating essentially the same post over and over? I think everybody has quite understood what you're asking by now.
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doug v Deactivated User
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Posted - Sep 9 2016 : 12:36AM
Well theyre giving me 2 different kinds of answers to my question.Some are saying,"its child porn in canada only if theyre under 18",then others are saying,"also if an adult is depicted(dresses,acts,looks) to be under 18".So which one is it?Thats why i kept on asking the same question with different details.My cousin bought the Max H and JM dvds from a big and respected seller/store on ebay that told him ALL dvds they sell are allowed in canada. Will can. customs target someone who buys box after box of porn that is being sent by tracking number? This has never happened to him before until he moved to a mid-high class neighborhood,you know the type,where neighbors treat a single man's property like its theirs.This started to happen as soon as he saw a can.post guy toss a porn box to his door step looking a bid pissed. Is there a connection? Edited by - doug v on 9/11/2016 6:01:33 PM Edited by - doug v on 9/20/2016 7:54:14 PM
Apparently, it is true. I don't buy your 'hatred of men' argument, though. You may want to read this.
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doug v Deactivated User
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Posted - Sep 9 2016 : 3:53AM
my cousin doesnt need to worry about a fake phony child porn law like that,because he never viewed and heard the actual video footage of that scene from Max Hardcore dvd and never intentionally searched for content like that. A law that was written by men of power that have a brutal hatred towards their own gender and therefore the fellow man,and an unrightful desire of condemnation of innocent men based on how an adult woman looks,dresses and acts in porn since its impossible for a post puberty adult woman of 18 or 25 to be a child or minor and they know it. Edited by
So, if I understand correctly, you want to know if the Canadian law classifies porn with people who look underage as CP? Yes it does. It's pretty easy to look up, too. Here you go. 163.1 (1) In this section, child pornography means (a) a photographic, film, video or other visual representation, whether or not it was made by electronic or mechanical means, (i) that shows a person who is or is depicted as being under the age of eighteen years and is engaged in or is depicted as engaged in explicit sexual activity, or (ii) the dominant characteristic of which is the depiction, for a sexual purpose, of a sexual organ or the anal region of a person under the age of eighteen years; Does that answer your question?
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doug v Deactivated User
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Posted - Sep 9 2016 : 2:04PM
Yes it does thanks. So a series from JM productions for example, titled, Young and anal, to me when i saw those dvd covers they are grown women in college mini skirts in pig tails looking sweet and innocent, would they actually consider that theyre depicting them to be minors? Theyre being depicted as being 18 and over and sweet and innocent. So an adult woman can't look sweet and innocent? Thats what they are. So they(the ones who are drunk with power) will then ban all college adult women 18 to 30 from wearing such attire and hair styles? Man they really need to be more at peace with the fellow man and stop their hatred against us. Edited by - doug v on 9/9/2016 2:08:25 PM Edited by - doug v on 9/9/2016 4:16:48 PM Edited by - doug v on 9/9/2016 4:18:24 PM Edited by - doug v on 9/9/2016 4:19:58 PM Edited by - doug v on 9/11/2016 6:05:48 PM
How dare you accuse us to "learn from you" because you perceive our laws to be inferior to yours. The only one that needs a "lesson" is you, and I think it should be on manners and not forcing OTHER COUNTRIES to conform to YOUR PERSONAL standards of righteousness. You live your way, I'll live mine. Edited by - star_angel126 on 9/9/2016 3:11:05 PM Edited by - star_angel126 on 9/9/2016 3:13:21 PM
Possibly. It depends. Lots of laws are applied rather arbitrarily, and when it comes to figuring out if a depiction is meant to mean a certain thing, there is a lot of grey area.Lol.
I don't see what's wrong with a law that discourages porn producers from making their performers look as underaged/young as possible. Fighting this so hard sends out some creepy signals from you dude. Not a good look.
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Posted - Sep 9 2016 : 4:49PM
How did this turn into Canada hating men? Edited by - murdock on 12/31/0000 2:50:38 AM Edited by - murdock on 6/15/1215 4:57:27 PM Edited by - murdock on 5/2/1519 7:44:16 PM Edited by - murdock on 7/4/1776 4:40:28 AM Edited by - murdock on 2/18/1815 12:52:09 AM Edited by - murdock on 1/8/1935 4:29:37 PM Edited by - murdock on 12/7/1941 6:14:23 AM Edited by - murdock on 2/3/1959 10:17:44 PM Edited by - murdock on 6/8/1984 4:33:38 PM Edited by - murdock on 1/15/1986 9:54:00 PM Edited by - murdock on 9/9/2016 5:06:12 PM
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doug v Deactivated User
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Posted - Sep 9 2016 : 4:59PM
Its wrong because women have the right to look as young as they choose which they often do in the real world, because it can't change the fact that the law deemed then an adult not a minor. So a woman can't wear pig tails and mini skirt and make up? Now this law is violating women's rights isn't it? It is a law based on hatred of men because they hate men and want to punish men for finding beautiful women to be what they are and not a minor. Edited by - doug v on 9/9/2016 5:03:47 PM Edited by - doug v on 9/9/2016 5:06:36 PM Edited by - doug v on 9/9/2016 5:15:56 PM Edited by - doug v on 9/9/2016 5:20:18 PM
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Sep 9 2016 : 5:01PM
The material was not held back because they thought it was CP. It was probably the violence and possibility of there being pissing, etc that red flagged the material. Although the CP law does state what others have linked here the Canadian Supreme made a ruling that 'clarified' the law by essentially rewriting it into an actually rational and reasonable law. The Court is loathe to overturn laws passed by the government so they twisted themselves all of out shape to reinterpet the law into something less absurd. The law was passed in a fit of typical public panic and political expendiency. So no, mere fictional portrayls are protected under Canadian law. If you want to find out more read the excellent book On Kiddie Porn by John Dixon and Stan Persky. With Max is was probably pulled because of his obscenity conviction in the US. I doubt they will keep the JM video. For comparison, Canada Customs opened and reviewed my order of the 70s S&M classic DOMINATRIX WITHOUT MERCY and resealed it and sent it on to me no problem.
Another clarification, it is can be considered illegal to traffic obscene material across the Canadian border but it is not illegal to produce or own the material within Canada. This doesn't apply to RL CP of course as CP is evidence of a seriously criminal act. Edited by - BlackSix on 9/9/2016 5:06:40 PM
and there already is hypocrisy in the law. Like I said, if your cousin wants to, he can go have sex with a 16 year old. (he could have had sex with a 14 year old up until May 1st, 2008). But a 16 year old may not participate in pornography.
if it were about finding beautiful women to be what they are, they wouldn't need to dress in pigtails and a skirt. Because women don't dress up like that in their daily life. That's why there are costumes with this getup labeled, "schoolgirl".
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Sep 9 2016 : 5:28PM
@starangel I think Canadian laws strike a reasonable balance allowing sexual expression for youth with their peers but attempting to avoid abusive relationships with adults. Here is a summary of the law. My only issue is the use of 'exploits' in terms of sex work but in reference to underage people it is appropriate. Edited by - BlackSix on 9/9/2016 5:30:29 PM
Listen I'm very much against this new age misandry based extreme feminism but this has nothing to do with that. What you are talking about has nothing to do with it it's a seperate issue, yes women can look however they want in daily life but we're talking about porn producers who get to decide what performers look like in films. Has nothing to do with freedom or whatever, this is in the hands of the porn producer. If he/she is wants to make the performers look as young as possible and even make them act and sound that way(with max hardcore this was clear, with the girls even saying 'mister' in a high pitched voice) it's their responsiblity. I avoid this material and don't care but if a country wants to make this against their laws then more power to them. Any adult who protests this heavily is on creepy grounds imo. Encouraging performers to look and act like legal adults is fine in my book.
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doug v Deactivated User
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Posted - Sep 9 2016 : 5:39PM
Good reply, but if a couple gets aroused by that golden thing but no drinking and they make a home video of it and its all legal, its still hypocrisy that such a video suddenly becomes illegal when entering into Canada when its legal to be in Canada.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Sep 9 2016 : 5:44PM
Pissing per se isn't banned, DOMINATRIX has pissing in it. It is a combination of factors, violence being the biggest. The law is really most repressive to BDSM, at least as written if not in practice.
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Sep 9 2016 : 5:57PM
Encouraging performers "to look and act like legal adults" (whatever the hell that means) is fine, but laws enforcing it is a step too far. Adults are adults. Period. Full stop. If you put an adult in a onesie, lay her down in a crib, and hang a goddamned musical mobile over her she is still an adult. Adults roleplaying as minors are still adults. This law treats them like minors, and is therefore crap. Edited by - misspornUSA on 9/9/2016 5:58:11 PM
^The law treats a minor having sex with an adult as statutory rape, so in essense having two performers with one pretending to be a young child could be considered a portrayal of child pornography. You can take this "as long as they're adults nothing else matters" as far as you can but the line will be crossed at some point unless you don't have a line. Again, good on any country for enforcing this. The ones who oppose this have serious issues imo.
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06
Posted - Sep 9 2016 : 6:16PM
^^^ Yeah... and the lineis being a legal adult. (Here in the US) You can act like a juvenile all you want, but you're still an adult in the eyes of the government. What you're proposing is letting the government police thought instead of actions. I for one will always be against that regardless of surrounding circumstances. Edited by - murdock on 9/9/2016 6:17:28 PM
Why was she banned?
.Hopefully he/she is back.
? Anyway I guess we can allow this thread to return to whatever it was about now ....
