I assume you are trolling as you have glossed over my entire point. But, I will reply. I am not a proponent of "seeing someone die". I am a proponent of seeing THIS PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL die. There is a difference. I have had a very strong belief for years that he would do this. I also have a very strong belief that he will do this again and again; and there will be a high risk that one of the times the victim (male or female) dies. Women who are attracted to War Machine types will not stop themselves, so they must be protected FROM themselves. The only way to do that is for him to not exist. Hopefully by suicide or suicide by cop. In light of the fact that my serious concerns about him have come true; I feel it is reasonable to accept that my serious concerns about him going forward could also potentially come true. As such, I want him to perish so he does not do this to any other people. Edited by - earthwindfire on 8/14/2014 8:09:23 PM Edited by - earthwindfire on 8/14/2014 8:10:08 PM
Why would she have stayed with him? Because she once loved him and believed he could change? Because people who are abused start to feel like they deserve it because of the emotional abuse they're receiving? Because she was terrified of what would happen if she left him? And when she did, her worst fears came true. In my line of work I deal not infrequently with women who are abused by their partners, and statistics show the period immediately after is an incredibly dangerous time for them. Leaving is not an easy thing to do, and people deserve help to do so because doing so can put them in danger. Christy's story is an awful example. If you can't feel sorry for her, the problem lies with you, not with her. I think Nevada has a three strikes law, including felonies committed out of state, so War Machine may be looking at a life sentence. Good. It's especially awful that even with help she's received, she potentially faces hundreds of thousands of dollars in hospital fees. One would hope that the hospital would decline to pursue payment on compassionate grounds, but I won't hold my breath.
Most employment in this country is at will and an employee can be fired without cause at the whim of an employer. Most contract employment have morals clauses in the contract. There are employers that give a fuck about these things, and I am one of them, It's not just about external public relations, I have to think about internal morale and a hobby of beating women does not fit with my workplace culture even if you kept it outside the workplace.
[/quote] I'm not saying anything about that, of course he had no right to say that, but she said in her Twitter statement she hadn't dated or seen him for a few months prior to this. So one part that may now found out to be wrong may start a whole line of "So what else may not be correct?" And War Machine DOES NOT need anything out there that can concievably make anyone even think "Hmmmm maybe he has something there." [/quote] A defense attorney will make a big deal out of this. And it is already done. She released a statement that probably is a tad bit untrue and attorneys turn small lies into huge lies in order to gain an acquittal. If I could give her one piece of advice, it would be to tell the truth to the District Attorney. A conviction is a must. I do not care if they had sex the night before, she just needs to say it and stop with narrative that they had not been associates since May. Hell a quick look at their twitter pages and you can see that they were very friendly in August.
Private hospitals would not stay in business very long if they consistently donated care based on compassionate grounds.
[Link]
urthoughts Deactivated User
it takes a real wolf to expose true sheep 2600 Posts 7/12
Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 8:17PM
Is it hypocracy? " nobody is above an ass whippin" ( man or woman) if you physically attack another individual than you deserve that ass whippin you might get because of it. Im against violence towards PEOPLE who have done nothing to warrent it Warrant for the school teachers in the room Edited by - urthoughts on 8/14/2014 8:20:53 PM
Well, of course (I have seen it happen, though not often). I won't drag my views on the US healthcare system into this thread any further, though!
[Link]
earthwindfire Deactivated User
257 Posts 10/12
Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 8:23PM
I don't get these people who keep pointing out holes in her story. Who gives a fuck if they broke up or not. They probably broke up one day,and were together another day, and some days one person thought they were together and the other person thought they were broken up (standard volatile relationship). Who cares if she "lied" about breaking up months ago. How on earth does that make a difference here. THAT DOES NOT CHANGE WHAT HE DID TO HER. Seeing your wife/girlfriend in bed with another guy does not give you the legal freedom to do what he did to Christy. Even if she insulted him, called him names, mocked his penis, whatever ........ that does not allow him to do this. So , guys , stop fretting over whether she is truthful or lying about the nature of their relationship... who gives a fuck. This man is a serial abuser and will do this again. That is all that matters at this point and should be the focus. Edited by - earthwindfire on 8/14/2014 8:36:46 PM
#SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03
Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 8:45PM
Everyone seems to be operating under the supposition that she had no heath insurance, despite the fact that the ACA went into effect at the beginning of the year and she's apparently well off enough to have been living in a home on a golf course, and thus presumably able to afford healthcare premiums. The donation page, when I looked at it, made no representation that she was uninsured. Has she or anyone representing her actually stated that she has no insurance?
[Link]
earthwindfire Deactivated User
257 Posts 10/12
Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 9:23PM
Yeah, I know. And that is part of the problem with our society. There has to be an understanding that even if the girl is the biggest idiot in the world and a massive liar, it is still unnacceptable to beat the shit out of her, period. We all know Christy is not a good person when it comes to her choices in guys, she probably was not a very good partner, she keeps going back to a guy that beats her, she may have lied about them breaking up... we get all that. People need to realize that none of that matters in the case of domestic abuse. The abuse itself can not be tolerated no matter what.
[Link]
urthoughts Deactivated User
it takes a real wolf to expose true sheep 2600 Posts 7/12
Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 9:26PM
When your a victim of a crime doesnt the state pay for your medical bills? Just asking
[Link]
earthwindfire Deactivated User
257 Posts 10/12
Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 9:32PM
I really hope this doesn't unfold over the next couple of weeks as some expose that she is taking donations when she doesn't need them. It takes away the spotlight from the real problems here. Edited by - earthwindfire on 8/14/2014 9:33:00 PM
^I'm going to operate under the assumption that she needs the money for medical bills (or otherwise and necessary purposes) until it's shown otherwise. Without the specifics of costs, level of insurance coverage (if any), etc., one can never be sure...but I'll feel happy knowing that my heart was in the right place, either way. Even if it ended up going to helping keep her on her feet while she couldn't work, it wouldn't bother me. (I think that one necessarily has to take a leap of faith when donating to individual causes like this to begin with. I'm comfortable with that leap.)
I'm also skeptical that typical insurance coverage would cover the types of reconstructive surgery that she needs and to the extent that she needs it. When would the insurance company say that the "necessity" stopped and the "cosmetic" / "elective" procedures began? It seems that they would be under no obligation to do more than the minimum allowed under her plan, whether her career were at stake or not.
Edited by - fu_q on 8/14/2014 9:48:03 PM
[Link]
earthwindfire Deactivated User
257 Posts 10/12
Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 10:03PM
yes And she will likely need cosmetic surgery that would not be deemed essential by an insurance provider. I donated with a caring heart, whatever happens with the money I know I did the right thing.
[Link]
realtip Deactivated User
2301 Posts 6/04
Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 10:23PM
No, the issue of whether or not she has medical insurance has not been addressed, which I find to be suspiciously convenient. Since much of the treatment she would have to receive would indeed be covered by most medical insurance and, as we both have acknowledged, Christy has made a good amount of money from her work in adult entertainment, this is another reason why I take issue with her friends begging people for more money.Either way, it is despicable. I am not necessarily in favor of capital punishment. But in cases where I do support it, it is because the criminal has viciously and callously taken the lives of others. That does not apply here. War Machine is obviously a violent person, but to my knowledge, he hasn't killed anyone. Christy is still alive. So saying that death should be his punishment far exceeds being a justifiable consequence for the crime.Yes, if an employee goes to work everyday telling everyone in the office that he beats the shit out of his wife, then his boss will probably find reason to get rid of him. My point was that employers typically aren't aware of what goes on in their employees' personal lives, and neither do care if it doesn't interfere with their job performance. If you beat up your wife everyday, how would your boss at work know about it unless you go to work and tell him, or if you get arrested for it and he hears about it? That was my point. If an employee shows up everyday on time and does his job well, then that's what matters to his employer, not what he does once he leaves work. Of course, if he happens to find about it, then that's a different issue that may possibly cause problems.
[Link]
earthwindfire Deactivated User
257 Posts 10/12
Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 10:37PM
I really hope your are single. I would not be too happy if you had a woman in your life with these attitudes.
Everybody is playing jurist; has she hurt chances for a conviction? Yes, there are inconsistencies the defense will try to magnify. No, I don't think a jury will any try trouble cutting through this and saying there's no reasonable doubt WM did it. (his tweets back her up on the key points) The standard isn't to demand absolute proof or to demand no errors of any kind. The only problem is if they can't tie the tweets to him. Even then you've got testimony from the guy WM beat, not just Christy. Besides, in a domestic violence case *everybody* usually lies about something. They're nearly as bad as divorces. The jury still usually finds a way to get to the heart of the matter.No. Your medical bills are never paid because you were the victim of crime (unless you have an insurance policy - not necessarily health insurance - that covers losses of these kinds resulting from crime).
[Link]
earthwindfire Deactivated User
257 Posts 10/12
Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 11:25PM
Why does it matter if Christy lied about them being broken up? How does that affect or change the fact he beat her over an extended period of time, did sick shit like have her shower and cut her hair, and all that ?
No, what we're actually commenting on with all of this NOT that she deserves it or anything like that. But watching how what she says and does and how a lawyer can potentially tear that apart and WM could somehow avoid jail. We know he did it, he says he did it, but watch any really good defense lawyer find a way to make no one care. So like others have said, do nothing but tell the truth about everything. She has never and will never deserve any of this to have happened to her. Doesn't mean her own fears and worries about what happens next can't find a way to cause potential problems in the future. Also there is a famous dentist out there who has already volunteered to fix Christy's mouth for free because of what has happened.
Who gives a crap if Shyla Stylez is annoyed or not? what she tweeted about this was just sickening. no woman deserve' this. this woman was beaten with in an inch of her life. there is no excuse for this.Shyla Stylez needs to shut the hell up.
"the futures uncertain and the end is always near" 689 Posts 2/10
Posted - Aug 15 2014 : 1:48AM
I would like to think the two positives that have come out of Christy's nightmare is that, for the most part, it has unified the industry, and it has brought domestic violence to the forefront. I would like to see Christy once she is healthy and well, if that is even possible be an advocate for violence against women. It reminds me of the cigarette commercials where they show "Terri" a beautiful blonde circa 1978....with a voice box and dying of cancer. I hope Christy is strong enough to bounce back in life. Anyone, who thinks she should go back to porn is empty inside. Edited by - doug e on 8/15/2014 1:50:44 AM
[Link]
earthwindfire Deactivated User
257 Posts 10/12
Posted - Aug 15 2014 : 2:03AM
I wouldn't be too hopeful she becomes an activist for domestic abuse. There is still a risk she goes back to war machine (even if he goes to jail), but more so that her next boyfriend will be another rough type of guy. He may not be the nut that War is, but even in her statement she seemed to accept beatings as long as they were not "too bad". I hope she does become active, but she has some serious issues to face in order to do that.
So Kendall Karson started a fund to cover her medical expenses. Have her and Christy done a scene together before? I would think a future scene after all this drama could be very emotional and interesting ala Gracie Glam & Brooke Lee Adams.
*In a trial*, the jury has to sort out which statements are truthful, whether the statements are credible enough to be "beyond a reasonable doubt". It's not just a matter of lies: some people just have a bad memory, or their memory plays tricks on them. Eyewitness testimony is nowhere near a "gold standard" that can be assumed as trustworthy, even with the most honest witness. If Christy says they broke up months ago and haven't seen each other since, yet the defense proves they partied together three weeks ago, that's a credibility problem on some issues. For example a juror might well wonder if "three weeks" was the same thing as "a couple of months in all of her testimony. But I don't think it's a problem here. Her key testimony is whether he's the one to beat her, and the errors in her comments don't impinge her credibility on the central issue. As you point out, that's all a sideshow here. She says it was WM, and I see no reason to doubt that claim in light of WM's tweets, and I haven't even factored in that there is a second witness that WM was there and out of control.
[Link]
earthwindfire Deactivated User
257 Posts 10/12
Posted - Aug 15 2014 : 3:40AM
earthwindfire Deactivated User
257 Posts 10/12
Posted - Aug 15 2014 : 3:43AM
Let's say she lies about them breaking up, and let's say they have evidence she fucked him the night before and said I love you (for hyopthetical example). How does that change the facts he beat the absolute shit out of her, in a slow and controlled manner, with the shower and hair cutting and all that. This wasn't an impulsive punch and then he walked out the door (which might get him some sympathy points with a jury if she is a liar about their relationship), he stayed and stayed and stayed to do as much as he could to her. So tell me, how does her being a liar about their relationship matter here? It is fact that he did this to her, so it's not like they can say "Christy is lying about their relationship therefore she is lying about who beat her up". Assaulting an honest person or the world's worst liar will still land me in criminal trouble. Even if the defense convinces the world she is the biggest liar ever to exist , that still doesn't change what he did to her. That is fact, there is evidence, proof, his tweets and running only further that, and this 3rd man will have to testify and verify it was War Machine. I really don't see how he can get away with this even if they catch Mack in tons of lies about their relationship. Edited by - earthwindfire on 8/15/2014 3:47:21 AM
[Link]
urthoughts Deactivated User
it takes a real wolf to expose true sheep 2600 Posts 7/12
Posted - Aug 15 2014 : 4:06AM
^ Cause if they were really still together and she was getting fucked by some other dude when WM came by to ask macks hand in marriage he could probably claim temporary insanity. Since society seems to look down on the sex industry his defense would portray mack as a dirty whore who took advantage of his vulnerable condition by destroying his heart. Than some juror consisting of a Sunday school teacher, a mechanic, a bus driver and a librarian might side with the guy Edited by - urthoughts on 8/15/2014 4:16:21 AM
[Link]
earthwindfire Deactivated User
257 Posts 10/12
Posted - Aug 15 2014 : 4:26AM
even if they convinced a jury this was the narrative, it is still a criminal act to do what he did.. right? Fucking USA system if he gets off on a temp insanity plea. he has a long history of assaults though, so that will be a tough sell even for a dumb ass jury Edited by - earthwindfire on 8/15/2014 4:27:42 AM
[Link]
earthwindfire Deactivated User
257 Posts 10/12
Posted - Aug 15 2014 : 4:34AM
Looks like Dog has located War Machine just a short moment ago........
[Link]
realtip Deactivated User
2301 Posts 6/04
Posted - Aug 15 2014 : 5:08AM
That makes two of us. I would not be too happy having a woman with an attitude in my life either. I prefer women with pleasant dispositions.Then why lie at all? That's the question that a jury would ask, and the whole point of undermining her credibility. If her story is found to consist of a whole bunch of fabrications, then it will cause a jury to cast doubt upon anything else she says, including any claim that she was attacked by him at all. And yes, the fact that she is a pornstar, which is a socially disreputable occupation, may possibly further undermine her credibility.
Porno movies, sexy videos, xxx. Adult DVD Talk at your service. 6409 Posts 11/99
Posted - Aug 15 2014 : 9:10AM
Few people have health insurance that covers 100% of anything. I don't understand why people can't simply show some support (and I don't mean financial) to someone who has been through a harrowing experience. Christy's friends are not "begging" for money. Those with basic empathy are simply asking that we stand together against domestic abuse. This isn't the time for your judgement. You may not understand how someone ends up in an abusive relationship. But it happens. It's unfortunately all too common. We are a porn community - and despite a few jackasses porn is one of the better communities of people I've been a part of. Porn people help each other. Porn people are more honest than the other industries I've worked in. It's nice to see those standing by Christy and those helping her. I hope we here at ADT can be part of the supportive side, not the judgmental internet voices who think spouting some opinion is more important than the human beings involved here. Jenna Jameson is setting a good example of standing together
Kortney Kane has behaved the same way. https://twitter.com/KortneyKane/status/498298922914557952 "I didn't know. I don't follow porn gossip." Or then there's Jenna Jameson who has been 'supporting' Christy and yet is still following WM. What is worth porn girls and MMA/UFC fighters?
[Link]
urthoughts Deactivated User
it takes a real wolf to expose true sheep 2600 Posts 7/12
Posted - Aug 15 2014 : 12:16PM
Latest news: porn star brutally attacked by tv street fighter boyfriend after he walked in on her banging some reality tv B actor. After being on the run tv bounty hunter dog catches boyfriend and brings him to justice while jealous rival porn star blasts victim on social media. Only thing missing from this is kato kaelin showing up to court as the mystery witness
^^ First off I can see Shyla Stylez ' bitterness and why she is so pissed at those attacking her real fast but didn't support her when SHE went through the same ordeal in Wyoming where some complete strangers attacked her and beat her almost as bad as Christy telling her that her kind and the likes have no place in there. She has been completely ignored , no sympathy , almost not even from her fellow porn performers, no fund raising, almost no media , but yes everybody care about what she says about someone else not even linking the facts together and put what happened to her in the same light which should be due. And I'm pretty sure she never supported WM nor gives him any excuse , she just see all of this unfair. I do not agree with her view of course but cannot even be so judgemental she's almost getting as much hatred as WM which is really stupid We should at least leave her alone Edited by - LCF on 8/15/2014 12:30:09 PM
[Link]
earthwindfire Deactivated User
257 Posts 10/12
Posted - Aug 15 2014 : 12:37PM
All you stupid idiots who made fun of Dog. He got him, safely, which is what is his job.
^^ She put pictures in her twitter it was time ago, maybe they are still in her thread or possibly on news here on ADT , as I said nobody cared about her ^ I agree but if she sees herself treated unfairly (none of you helped my why should I help her?) and yet people continue to blame her for not being falsely supportive , I'd bet she'd react badly Shyla won't let it go Edited by - LCF on 8/15/2014 1:03:16 PM
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Aug 15 2014 : 1:11PM
^Because she did not receive the positive attention she wanted, she is now aggressively soliciting negative attention by choice when the more reasonable option would have been for her to say nothing. As I said I'm still a fan (just last night I watched an old Brazzers scene of her's, which coincidentally also starred Alanah Rae), but she hasn't done herself any favors here. She should have kept silent. Edited by - misspornUSA on 8/15/2014 1:12:10 PM
Actually she wanted to keep silent she said several times she didn't want to talk about Christy Mack, since then she has been continuosly asked and especially solicited of an opinion by one guy who clearly is a troll and possibly a fan of Christy who decided to go and pick on her (who accused her to invite violence on women and she sent him to fuck himself) , her former bad adventure has mentioned several times , she also replied to other performers such as Ava Addams sayin she'd better not intervene into something she knows nothing about. The way I see it there must be some history between Shyla and Christy , very likely related to her former hospitalization she doesn't want to talk about nor explain not even to fellow performers. I don't know what it is , nor if there is actually something but this would explain a lot of things Can't see why the troll decided to go in her profile and provoke her, maybe he knew something
