Cytherea Iz Squirtwoman

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(Edited to add ... you're correct in that it has been discussed several times.)

Edited by - DenverDon on 6/15/2004 7:36:56 PM

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Now, sometimes they just lose it during a scene and the person has to back off so we can witness the pee flow.
And I love how the scene usually is edited perfectly (rather than just showing the whole scene flow, ha ha ha) to a close up of the last few seconds of the explosion. Its almost like a cumshot; forced rather than spontaneous.

Maybe this is why I don't like porn lately and would rather look at a Harpers Bazaar magazine or actually have physical contact with a REAL woman (she breathes and actually has needs. I am confused; she doesn't have a stop button nor can I put her away when I am done like a dvd. Damn!) Porn just feels too damn formulaic and canned. This just adds fuel to my cynical fire for porn. Boring....

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I don't care.

Cytherea looks real to me.

Regardless, I don't give a damn about squirting. The only reason(s) I want to see "Squirtwoman" is because Kelly Kline and Lee Ann are in it. Ultimately, the only girl who "squirted" and actually excited me by doing so was Alisha Klass. It's not my bag normally though.

However, to think that "squirting" is actually just well timed urine makes something I saw earlier today a bit disturbing. In "Fuel Injected", Tianna Lynn is getting it piledriver from her guy. He keeps pulling out as she squirts all over herself. It flies up and comes right down on her chest and sometimes face. At one point it appears some goes into her mouth.

She drank her own pee? Allow me a moment of extreme mental regression: ewwwww.

I would suggest anyone interested in this topic read Dumblonde's essay on the myth of female squirting. I found it very interesting. It is posted right here at ADT

Kelly

Edited by - tscfan317 on 6/15/2004 8:45:31 PM

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Here is the trailer so people can check it out for themselves:

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I have neither the understanding, nor frame of reference, to address the biological curiosities that revolve around the fluids that can erupt from a woman during sex/orgasm. However, I do think that the question of Squirting’s erotic value is, at least to some extent, something quite aside from such deliberations.

For example, I love watching Ariana Jollee explode goo all over guys while they fuck her in the ass. It drives me crazy. I loved seeing Cytherea shoot her juices all over faces, tits, ass, and cock in Squirtwoman. I loved seeing her erupt into a glass, to be drunk, without the slightest hesitation, by Tiana Lynn and Chris Slater during the shooting of volume 2. I think there are lots of other people who get off on this too, and it's within this that the erotic value of squirting resides, rather than the complexities discussed above.

All I can say is that what we wanted to do with this video was to try very hard to avoid it descending into the formulaic procession that could be attributed to other Squirting themed movies. We wanted to have a group of people genuinely and naturally exploring squirting, with one very special girl, Cytherea, leading the way. And, I can promise you that the movie is well edited for absolutely no other reason than at Elegant Angel we really give a shit about the quality of our product! I'm very sorry it didn't rock your boat P-Knuckle.

Edited by - Graham on 6/16/2004 1:25:24 AM

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As for Cytherea, I think she's pretty much the sexiest woman on the planet, so I'll be checking this one out. I actually wouldn't mind if the entire movie was just her. Two hours of just Cytherea getting off. I could live with that.

Edited by - paulmg on 6/16/2004 1:43:43 AM

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I always figured it was clear pee, and since I don't mind a girl 'letting go' at all, I never felt it important to research it.
Girls are almost expected to take facials with a smile, an if she gets off on 'returning the favour' no problem for me.
Surely a hot girls pee can't be that revolting.

If it's just a way to get around the golden shower issues with american distribution, go for it.

I'll be getting this Squirtwoman for sure. It looks fun.

Anyone up for a 'silver shower'?

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To Elegant Angel; I am glad you understand that this is just one mans' opinion. I think a lot o' people will like this title, I just wish Cytheria the best and hope she can outlast 6 months and not take the bus out of town with Emily Davinci, Boo Delicious, and the other chicks who disapear WAY to quick.

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I think it's a shame in a way that many people only seem interested in her because of this ability, but my interest in her transcends that.

Even if she's faking, she makes me believe--even if it's only because I want to at the moment I'm watching her, and ultimately that's all that really matters.

::shrug::

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It is a valid question. However, Cytherea has all ready been around for a while. It is not like she is some new to the scene girl who is making her name with some squirting gimmick. She has been appearing in videos for possibly a full year now. I don't really expect her to vanish.

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Will we be talking about Cytheria in 1 year? Its like Jenna Haze or Taylor Rain; I just think that the attention span for these chicks is not very long. Thus, the debate rages; do you promote yourself for your high flying circus acts or do you try to establish a career that might last outside of 365 days?

What Mylons says is the gist of what I am talking about; we mention these girls in terms of statistics, and thus, they are reduced to 'acts' rather than people. Again, time will tell, but I don't truly believe that in 1 year we will be talking about Cytherias' urethra features. She might just be another footnote on the Adult Movie Database. Girls that get billed for the one act don't last past the intermission.

Edited by - P-Knuckle on 6/16/2004 2:20:40 PM

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The thing is: I really don't care and I don't see why anyone else should be bothered by this. I happen to think Cytherea is just plain pretty and awfully sexy. I also love women that are emotive and have intense orgasms (hell, if they're not enjoying themselves , I'm not going to enjoy myself !) If the squirting bothers you - don't view those movies! To me its a little gimmicky, but so isn't any sexual act that becomes 'trendy' I like the video for its entirety - not for 'one trick' as it has been called.

As for longevity, I don't believe the simple fact that an actress (in this case Cytherea) is known more for one act than another doesn't necessarily mean she'll have a short shelf-life. There are many contributing factors, amongst them the short attention span and fickle demeanor of the viewing public, the performers state of mind, how she handles the pressures of the industry - and of course her health. I see no reason to believe a performer as dynamic and beautiful as Cytherea can't last as long as any of the other girls who came onto the scene with her!

"Corruptio optimi pessima..."

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Here are some interesting articles. And if you don't find the articles interesting, check out the sources they quote at the end. Read those, if you like.

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What I've heard from doing my own research is that the majority of the fluids released during this event is apparently very similar in makeup to seminal fluids. Obviously not semen, but glucose and an enzyme called prostatic acid phosphatase.

It also appears that the flesh of the G spot is similar to that of the prostate in the male, and that it is possible that it is this flesh that produces the liquid.

The article posted by dumblonde has some misconceptions in it as well. First, I went to the Mayo Clinic link that was at the end of the article. I searched for female ejaculation. There were no results. Then I searched for orgasm. There were also no results. Does that mean there is no such thing as orgasm? I think not. I have them all the time. I also searched for ejaculate. Again, no response, and due to my often orgasms, I can tell you that I do in fact ejaculate. The Mayo Clinic link in Dumblonde's article is useless.

I also went to the Johns Hopkins link and typed female ejaculation into the search window and there was an article concerning the subject. Strike two for dumblonde.

The HON Geneva site in the article - searched for female ejaculation. Again, no results, but when I put in female orgasm, I got a huge list of sites to go to (The HON site is more of a search engine, it seems). I went to the sites that popped up and after some searching, I found the links to female ejaculation articles I was looking for. That's the third strike.

The final link on Dumblonde's article is the National Institute of Health. I searched for female ejaculation. No results. Then I searched for female orgasm. Again, no results. I think many of the female's in the world would argue that they do indeed have orgasms.

It would seem that dumblonde's argument was based on the lack of information from official resources. I have either proven that such resources exist or that the resources she used are not complete.

Also, dumblonde mentioned that there is nothing more to learn about the human body. That statement may be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. When she can explain what Sudden Infant Death Syndrome is caused by. No one seems to have a definitive answer. Also, I can't seem to find out the cause of a brain aneurysm. There're so many mysteries still not discovered in the human body, science will never find it boring, or will have answered all the questions.

And, by the way P-Knuckle, a major part of your argument seems to be that the fluid comes out of the urethra, or pee hole as you call it. No shit! If you watch most of the squirting movies, you'll see that most of the time the woman is forcing water out of her vagina. These are the fakes. When the fluid comes from the urethra, that is the "real" thing (notice that I put real in quotes - anything can be faked). Also, in case you didn't know, semen and urine come out of the same place in a male. I'm pretty sure one in not the other.

In conclusion, I have to say that I've read plenty of articles that define female ejaculation, and have dedicated studies to it (not me, the writers of the articles). I found Dumblonde's article to be mostly nonsensical, given that she puts forth sources that do not prove her point. Her evidence is easily controverted, as I have done here.

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I see nothing wrong with it, and actually find it kind of a turn-on, but unfortunately it's one of those things that can get someone prosecuted here in CA.

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'Also, in case you didn't know, semen and urine come out of the same place in a male. I'm pretty sure one in not the other.'

Well, men have sperm coming out the penis because the urethra carries both our sperm and urine. The testicles produce the sperm, the piss come from the bladder, we genetically are created to spit both from the hot poker. Now, if you find a woman who menstruates from their urethra or releases eggs from that area then we might have something.

I read your articles attached; heres an interesting clip from the second article-

'Whilst female ejaculation was usually thought to occur at the time of orgasm, it can in fact occur in the lead up to orgasm as well. In fact, female ejaculation can occur at any time during sexual arousal.'

Well, thats just peachy. Thus, its not a defining moment of anything; I can flex my pelvic muscles and squeeze pre ejac out. Whoop dee doo. Big deal.

Nickdel, you say 'speak for yourself'; when did I ever claim to be the voice of anyone else? If I speak for several people, then you can just consider them my multiple personalities. I just think squirting is boring and a circus act; some people are obsessed with bodily fluids; I am obsessed with women. Cytheria is cool because shes hot and is an enthusiastic performer; the squirt thing is a plus for those who like to get wet. If some people are into it, cool. I never said it should be edited out; I like watching a lot of things that are quite the bit more nasty than a lil fluid from the vagina.

The articles raise interesting points; I am still leaning towards it being a more muscle control/trainable act rather than a pure sexual release.

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I suppose it's possible that some women are born with bladders inside of their vaginas, but not very likely.

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The chemist in me says, why don't we just do some simple chemical tests on these liquid emissions. First off - the gushings you see coming out of a woman's vagina, like the one in the last scene of Service Animals #13 (which mysteriously happens after a very obvious editing cut). Could this be some biological fluid, or tap water? If it's Los Angeles County tap water, our job is easier - LA water has a high salt content (you can practically taste it), especially calcium and magnesium salts, so it would be a matter of collecting a speciman from such a scene (the next time one occurs) and running a water analysis on it.

The second case - the streams you can see coming out of a woman's urethra, that usually come out with some force, like in the case of the Squirtwoman trailer. Could this be urine, or something else? If it's urine, and it's being produced by the kidneys, then the fluid will contain measurable amounts of the chemical urea, up to 1.8grams /100 milliliters urine (see this chart). Even if the woman drinks a lot of water before her scene, the urea will be diluted, but not at zero, if it is indeed urine. If none or negligible amounts of urea are found, I think we can entertain the idea that the fluid is not urine, and that the said lady does indeed have good bladder control, and is emitting some other type of fluid.

In the interest of medical science and porn authenticity, an actress should step forward, and help us solve this medical mystery.

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Jesus, I'm gonna feel stupid if female ejaculation is proven fake in the years to come.

Dumblonde, no one said there was a bladder in the vagina (at least, I didn't). The theory isn't expulsion of fluid from vagina, it's expulsion of fluid from urethra, coming from, obviously, the bladder.

All I know - or believe, really - comes from what I've read. But, perhaps I'm inclined to only read the articles that "prove" it exists, but when I put female ejaculation into a search engine, and then weed out the porn, I only find articles about what it is and how it works and that the ejaculate appears not to be urine in content.

Renee, I think they have done these analysis you're talking about. They seemed to find this fluid to be: glucose and an enzyme called prostatic acid phosphatase. Apparently these make up much of seminal fluid. I'm not reporting this, just reiterating what I've read.

Anyway, I think this is a moot point because there is no official proof one way or the other. There probably will be in years to come. There was a time when sexual tension in a woman was considered to be hysterics and was treated by doctors, and the sexual gratification or release of orgasm was considered to be an accident and something NOT to duplicate. This was only a century or so ago. These doctors would use primitive vibrators to stimulate the genitalia and allow the woman an orgasm, thus calming them for a month or so, until they came back.

I guess we'll see. I bet no one thought the distance and volume of shot sperm would be of much interest either, a few decades back.

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as far as the actual act of squirting, my gf is a heavy multiple squirter and it's def not pee. no urine smell or stains...and when she's done the entire bed is soaked with no unpleasant urine smell. in regards to amount, sometimes she dribbles a little out, other times it's absolute gushers. similar to a man who's jizz output varies day to day.

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I've known a couple of women who expelled fluid from their urethras when they reached orgasmed. In one woman's case, her g-spot swelled and then deflated with each orgasm (one ever 30-60 seconds for as long as my fingers could go without cramping). Another was a mere trickle from either vaginal or clitoral stimulation. And with a third it was a profound gush from clitoral stimulation. In all cases, these women made a point of pissing before fucking (presumably to relieve themselves of any concern that they were peeing themselves.) They also made a point of putting a few towels under their asses.

Whether what they were expelling was piss, or something else, who cares? There was no urine smell/taste, and they associated it with a higher degree of sexual pleasure/release. Who doesn't want that? The woman who has orgasm after orgasm shit herself once (after about 30 minutes of orgasms, but it was only a tiny little turd, and we both laughed our asses off about it.)

Also, the woman who gushed from being eaten asked her (female) gynocologist about it. The gyno insisted it was a loss of bladder control accompanying orgasm. She stopped gushing the next day, and it took about 2 years for her to relax enough for the gushing (and the accompanying pleasure) to return.

-T.C.

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f.e.

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Curious

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Sorry to go off topic guys but I've been meaning to ask this and the freaking director of the movie just posted so I can't resist:

I have been real curious about that title you mentioned, "Squirting 101". It has a large female cast as well as a male cast. However, the box has no hardcore pictures on the back. Just softcore. Is there any sex in this or is it all squirting? With a girl like Avy Scott in it I am interested either way.

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It's Axel. AXEL. :)

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Renee,
Sorry about the rabbit meat comment in the other thread.

Its not a search for the loch ness monster. It isn't even crop circles. Its basic anatomy and physiology versus magical thinking.

You don't need chemistry. Creatinine is probably a better choice than urea, BTW. If you look at female pelvic anatomy, there just aren't that many places that can store a bunch of fluid. Can you believe that Alsha Klass has a magic spot in her vagina that produces magical liquids out of thin air that she is able to, by force of passion and lust, expell and douse everyone in a 20 foot radius? Sure, just remember to put your used condoms under your pillow so the condom fairy will give you a dollar.

Yes, you can trumpet the bartholin glands, or what have you. Or even claim the G-spot is an anatomical equivalent to the prostate. Heck, I'm conceding quite a bit of teritory here.

A question for the men-how much fluid is your prostate able to produce? If your name isn't Peter North, at most 5-10cc's.

Therefore, even if you say that all the female bits are equivalent to the male bits, if she's squirting more than you are, its pee.

But here's the kicker. They aren't equivalent. You ejaculate to impregnate. Its not just for the visual effect of the money shot at the end of the scene. There's no reproductive need for female ejaculation.

So enjoy it. Take your reality hat off and believe whatever you want. Just don't bother trying to make up crop circle style explanations about where it comes from.

If its more than a teaspoon, its pee.

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The key here is, we know the anatomy and the physiology here. We may not know preciecly why it gets screwed up sometimes, but...

Every medical student disects a cadaver. About half of them are female (the cadavers, not the medical students) Don't you think they would notice if there was a secret organ that held half a gallon of female ejaculate? There's a difference between saying we don't understand everything about medicine and saying that there's a magical juice being made in women...

Myk

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Although I was focussing on the chemical analysis aspects of the "female ejaculate fluid", I had forgotten about the anatomical aspects to this whole discussion. That is, where the hell does all this fluid come from, and where in the body does it get stored until the director yells "Squirt!"? Unless certain porn actresses are anatomically different from other women, I'd venture to say that the liquid in question is coming from the urinary bladder, as you have said as well.

For those of you not up on the metric system, 5-10 cc's is equivalent to 1-2 teaspoons of liquid.

Now, I know it is common at medical conferences for there to be a rebuttal to anyone presenting their case about an issue. Perhaps someone from the porn industry would like to address this squirting issue again, with Myk's post above in mind this time.

A little aside - A few months back, I watched a porn scene where an actor furiously fingered an actress until she 'squirted', whereupon she released a stream of liquid into a second actress' mouth.

In the behind-the scenes footage, they showed the first actress drinking an extra large cup of coffee right before the scene. My first thought was, "Why is she doing that? She'll feel like she's got to pee in no time at all."

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Edited by - lurflurf on 6/19/2004 12:56:44 PM

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don't know how normal this is, but I produce a lot of liquid during ejaculation (more than two teaspoons), and I can shoot much farther than peter north, under the right circumstances (namely, prolonged stimulation without release).

No one said there's a magical gland. But, if urea isn't present, it isn't urine! I wonder how much urea is in the ejaculate of a male? There would have to be some, given the sharing of plumbing. I'd like to know that number as a percentage of volume of expelled liquid, and then compare it to the amount of urea in "female ejaculate" as a percentage of volume expelled. That might shed some light.

But, I hold to this idea: if there is no urea (or negligible amounts), there is no urine.

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That, and its hard, under controlled lab conditions, to get people to do things.

An example. Cats purr. They wanted to know what was making that noise. So they took cats, put electrodes and pressure transducers around their necks, and waited. Do you know what the study showed? That cats with pressure transducers around their necks don't purr.

Anyway, believe whatever you want. Believe in the tooth fairy, peace in the middle East, and female ejaculation.

All these 'glands' that people are discussing don't hold more than a teaspoon or 2. Neither do you, or Peter North most days. Its just that you usually don't wank into a measuring cup. At least I hope you don't-I'd probably skip the baked goods from your house if you did. Its just spread out and looks like more.

If the woman squirts more than the man, its pee. I'm willing to concede that there _could_ be some small expulsion of fluid from these other sources. Not enough to be photographically interesting. You can enjoy pee as much as you want. You don't have to make believe that its something else. And you don't have to try to convince others.

Myk

Adds peeing and 'squirting' to the list of things that he knows turns other people on but he just doesn't get.

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Anybody ever see this vid that had a girl with supposely 3 working clits, 2 outside 1 inside? I rented on vhs awhile back. ARe there any more women out ther like this?

-ghostdog69

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Edited by - coyote22 on 6/19/2004 11:39:32 PM

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one beautifull and unique girl

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I think the problem here is the definition of piss. It would seem that you and others believe the definition of urintaion is the emptying of the bladder of any fluids, while other people believe that the definition of urination is the expulsion of urine. Well, after consulting a couple of dictionaries, it would seem the consensus of the definition of urination is the excretion of urine, which can further be defined as, "The waste product secreted by the kidneys that in mammals is a yellow to amber-colored, slightly acid fluid discharged from the body through the urethra." So, urination is the expulsion of the waste product of the kidneys - urea. If the fluid discharged during "female ejaculation" (notice the quotes) is in fact lacking in urea, then, by definition, it is not urine. It's extra water filtered out of the blood, it's whatever else it is, I don't know, but urine it isn't.

The definitions in multiple dictionaries supports this.

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