ShamlessKiev History: East girl dumping prices?

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shameless Deactivated User Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03	Posted - Aug 23 2003 : 5:14AM I really so much want our beautiful Russian girls to be successful, to be to move to West for work. And I really cheer every girl deciding to sell her body for the pleasure of porn consumers. And while I want the free market to rule, I start to wonder where it all leads. Recently I was offered double anal sex acts from Ukrainian and Moldovan girls for half free (plus travel expenses to West). For me it would be expensive still, but for Western company those prices must be really bargain! I picked up a Gipsy girl on a streetcorner recently and had a session even including anal for 2$ recently. I bet she would do a DAP for less than 20$, if only she was capable. If porn producer would promise her work in Budapest, she would do it for free even and bring along all her girlfriends I am sure. Some girls are so desperate to go to West and earn money! I am thinking of setting up my own porn agency and company, but here I am again and wonder wheter about East girl dumping price level. Am I caring just too much? Or should I just better think with my dick... Edited by - Shameless on Aug 23 2003 Topic Moved by - steph on Sep 16 2003 Edited by - Shameless on Oct 1 2003 Edited by - Shameless on Nov 11 2003 Edited by - Shameless on Nov 11 2003 [Link]
EagleSpirit Member Somewhere Doing Something Stupid 439 Posts 7/03	Posted - Aug 23 2003 : 5:21AM If you are going to start thinking with your dick you should change your avatar LOL. [Link]
Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - Aug 23 2003 : 7:03AM I think the girls should be paid what they're worth and I'm against companies who take advantage of these girls because the girls are poor and desperate for money. [Link]
BigFerret creampie scientist Searching for blonde and red bush 1985 Posts 10/02	Posted - Aug 23 2003 : 10:07AM shameless wrote: I am thinking of setting up my own porn agency and company Click to expand I like your spirit of capitalism. How about some girls from the Baltics or the Crimea in your films? Edited by - BigFerret on 8/23/2003 10:07:45 AM [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Aug 23 2003 : 10:16AM It all sounds a lttle close to trafficking in quasi-slavery to me. [Link]

shameless Deactivated User Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03	Posted - Aug 23 2003 : 10:52AM Skronker, I am not involved into the porn business as to yet and I DON'T plan to get involved in any human trafficking activity at all! Setting up a porn agency eventually would rather be something like a job office. Girls interested in performing on a porn set here or abroad could contact me and I would try to get jobs for them. At one hand undeniable there is an increasing demand for beautiful, willing girls in porn, on the other lots of East girls really want to work in West. Czech girls did a lot for Slavic porn fame, but they became quite expensive it seems. Ukrainian girls would surely be cheaper and still earn well more with just one sex act than Ukrainian worker per month. Question is rather just wheter 50$ (i.e. 1 average monthly income in Ukraine) for DAP is a fair price or rather 350$? Question also is how not to loose all my care for these girls, while I actually would earn my living with them. Buying their services (as I do up to now) is other thing than making a living from their services (while surely getting to fuck some of them just for free...) Capitalizm and porn rule! Still, girls are the holiest creatures in World! I am curious for all your input. Edited by - Shameless on 8/23/2003 11:02:29 AM [Link]
RonK Big Double Everything Fan Poor Turkey running for her life with Christmas Hat 3713 Posts 9/01	Posted - Aug 23 2003 : 11:15AM Hey Shameless, You should direct an all double anal feature with your Eastern Eurobabes. I suspect that you would pick real cute babes and make an excellent video. I will rush to the store to get it if the title gets released in the US. Just make sure that the babes are cute and the double anal scenes are long and well shot . Ron [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Aug 23 2003 : 11:39AM The whole economic disparity issue is troubling to me. I'm really sensitive to the labor question, although it is difficult to sort out at times. But, yeah, if you're heading down that road why not shoot some of your own stuff and see what happens? [Link]
shameless Deactivated User Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03	Posted - Aug 23 2003 : 12:19PM RonK wrote: Hey Shameless, You should direct an all double anal feature with your Eastern Eurobabes. I suspect that you would pick real cute babes and make an excellent video. Click to expand Thanks RonK. I know at least ten cute girls only here in Moscow who could do that and supposed they are really healthy I would be more than glad to arrange an all DAP feature with them. However, without the help of experienced Western cocksman and a West porn crew this is unlikely to happen in the near future. I could think of co-directing and sell the end product to well established porn company instead. I have an incredibly hot, petite Georgian girl - measuring only 148 cm but with fair sized tits - that I not only like to fuck myself, but really would like to watch in a well-produced gonzo-allDAP-movie. I also have my good old escort girl Natalia... and so many cute little things I tried out myself in recent months. I am sure I know how I want the DAPs (but probabely not able to film it that way mayself) and the crew could just film in our house and the our factory and building company car park over the street. Production would be fairly cheap, but I really still lack the knowledge to do it all myself. And I dont want to produce one more Russian amateuris crap film! Edited by - Shameless on 8/23/2003 12:22:51 PM [Link]
Cyberchicken Member 900 Posts 4/02	Posted - Aug 23 2003 : 5:48PM Poverty Porn No thanks CC [Link]
RonK Big Double Everything Fan Poor Turkey running for her life with Christmas Hat 3713 Posts 9/01	Posted - Aug 23 2003 : 7:42PM Maybe we will all contribute money to Shameless for him to produce his video with the stipulation that it is all-dap, has only drop-dead cuties, the title is well shot with great angles, everything is well produced, and the babes are paid Western rates. If the quality is very high and the babes are cute, we will all get our money back with profits and everybody is happy. The girls get paid good money, Shameless has his video and money, I get my video and small profit, and the US dealer gets a fine product. The issue is not the lowest rates for the girl but a top quality dap video with the cutest babes. I want 10.5 on a 10 point scale babe or the top .0005% in looks babes. Babes that are drop-dead gorgeous by any criteria do double everything or at least dap. Ron [Link]
shameless Deactivated User Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03	Posted - Aug 24 2003 : 2:48AM Cyberchicken wrote: Poverty Porn No thanks Click to expand If you dont want to watch girls at least partly driven by poverty you better throw nearly all your porn collection away! Never again watch a Prague or Budapest filmed RLD title, never again watch a Latina flick! I certainly dont plan to exploit those beautiful Slavic girls we have here because they look for porn work out of poverty. Although I could get some of them do DAP even for less than 50$ I plan to pay them much much more. I aim at being really fair and caring (while still boosting the export of beautiful and willing Slavic porn talent) Edited by - Shameless on 8/24/2003 3:32:46 AM [Link]
Arrydey Deactivated User 30 Posts 6/03	Posted - Aug 24 2003 : 7:52AM Women get paid way too much in porn. And they should only get paid by how well they perform. Moaning, sexy facial expressions, dirty, but tasteful sex talk while having sex, etc. The most a woman should get paid for one porn seen is $100. By paying women more than that, you're encouraging women to never have sex for free on their own time. Women won't even fuck for free anymore because they know they can get rich fucking. That means many men won't ever get laid. And the ones that do will go broke doing so. Also, by paying women more than that, you're placing the false idea in their heads that they are worth more than men. That's why women play games to deceive men and fuck men over to make them feel like shit all the time. Then you've got jealousy & hatred spreading like plague which is why the world is fucked up like it is. Men are not lesser beings. So don't treat them like they are. They have too many pissed off men walking around killing and assaulting people. And women are becoming the same way for something they started. [Link]
Janitor Retired Porno movies, sexy videos, xxx. Adult DVD Talk at your service. 6409 Posts 11/99	Posted - Aug 24 2003 : 10:52AM Arrydey, you obviously have a problem with women. Your post is so offensive I don't even know where to begin. By paying women more than that, you're encouraging women to never have sex for free on their own time. Women won't even fuck for free anymore because they know they can get rich fucking. That means many men won't ever get laid. Click to expand Perhaps some men aren't getting laid because their view of women is so fucked up that no woman would want to go near them. Porn stars and escorts are a small portion of the female population. And I can assure you that plenty of them have sex without money being involved. Most women are having sex with men because they love them, or simply want to get laid. Don't blame your problems on women. Are you just trying to be offensive? Or do you seriously think the violence in the world has anything to do with some women getting paid to have sex on film? ----------------------------------------- Shameless, if you're not honest with the girls about the going rate in the US for performing certain acts on film, then you are taking advantage of their poverty. [Link]
shameless Deactivated User Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03	Posted - Aug 27 2003 : 7:07AM Steph wrote: Shameless, if you're not honest with the girls about the going rate in the US for performing certain acts on film, then you are taking advantage of their poverty. Click to expand It is not as easy as that, Steph: First I dont know the US-going rate, because we dont talk about it here. But even if I told these girls something like, <look, once you are in the US a DAP will rean you 1500$>, many of them would still be inclined to do it in Kiev or Budapest for just a fraction (going down as low as 50$) in the hope to get famous and soon be able to do it in the US for 1500$. Let me just add how mixed up I am about Arrdays post here. This is the least I wanted to incite! Edited by - Shameless on 8/31/2003 3:13:24 AM [Link]

shameless Deactivated User Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03	Posted - Sep 2 2003 : 12:19PM After pondering upon the question what is fair and what not a long time, I think I will propose my Kiev collegue that we pay the girl at least 1 months average Ukrainian wage for pussy-only filmed on spot in Kiev. Anal will be payed at least twice as much. (...these prices we still need to discuss...) We will hand-out some basic hygiene and health manual, a basic english-russian porn language phrase-book and infos about the going rates in Budapest, Prague and California for established porn girls. And offer our help in negotiating with foreign producers. If we negotiate on her behalf for an engagement abroad, we take 500$ initially plus 20% of her fee for our work. To book her for producers contacting us, we ask them 30% on top of the going rates for our talent scouting. Basic minimum fees are imprinted in russian, rumanian and english on top of our booking-sheet. This shall garantee full transparency. Now you please tell me: Is this providing fresh meat for dumping prices? What kind og girls would you like us to provide? Should we put the age limit to 22? 24? or 28? Edited by - Shameless on 9/3/2003 4:23:42 AM Edited to add that the current average monthly income in Ukraine is about 55 $, which often is payed with a few months delay. Our girls will get $$$-cash straight after the scene. Edited by - Shameless on 9/3/2003 4:24:57 AM [Link]
Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - Sep 3 2003 : 5:45AM Hey Shameless, I hope you have some big butt girls in your stable. We can never have enough big butt girls in porn ;-) [Link]
shameless Deactivated User Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03	Posted - Sep 3 2003 : 3:11PM There will be no shortage of ass, but big butt is not exactly an Ukrainian speciality. At least not with women under 45. Sorry Ramsey. Also: I dont really like the word <stable> here. If at all I would rather use <collection>. All we aim at setting up is a help-center for girls wanting to act in porn films for foreign producers here and abroad. We collect beautiful&willing girls pictures and questionnaires in our file-box. Some girls might be sex animals in their behaviour with cock(s), but first and foremost they are the crown of gods plan deserving all our attention and adoration. I hope this sounds not too idealistic... Edited by - Shameless on 9/6/2003 4:14:03 PM [Link]
Porn Scout Deactivated User 3735 Posts 10/02	Posted - Sep 3 2003 : 5:51PM I think your biggest problem is that there isn't any built up porn infrastructure in Kiev like there is in LA, Prague, and Budapest. What I mean by that is that you do not have companies like RLD, Anabolic, etc., that are based there shooting scenes full time, at least I don't think you do. On the other hand, this could be the first step in that direction. If I were you, I would start off by focusing on the scouting angle, supplying talent to LA, Prague, and Budapest, and then work on developing the market in Kiev so that you can sell companies like RLD on the idea of traveling there for a few weeks to shoot some scenes. One thing I would be concerned about in trying to do this is the potential involvement of organized crime. I assume that the Russian mafia or it's Ukrainian equivalent is still quite strong in Kiev, and so I wonder if that would be a problem. [Link]
shameless Deactivated User Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03	Posted - Sep 8 2003 : 10:40AM Porn Scout wrote: I assume that the Russian mafia or it's Ukrainian equivalent is still quite strong in Kiev, and so I wonder if that would be a problem. Click to expand Yes it is. Both of them are. Although their wild high time is over now. Alexis - my possible future business partner - is clean, but I am not sure about all of his aquaintances. Yesterday night we went to a gloomey strip club to meet a guy who presented us what he called <high class caucasian bitches>. He had some very beautiful, petite Georgian girls he wanted to rent us for a daily/weekly fee to use for whatever we wanted. I had a go at one of them and she was really hot and talented!!! And the price of this guy was really cheap. But this is not the thing I want to get involved in! If anything at all, I would buy her out and advertize her in West - if she likes. She sure could become porn superstar... Field trip is really hard here sometimes with lots of up and downs, lots of drinking and quite some fucking for free. Maybe future business partner Alexis is full of ideas, very energic guy and true porn freak with really big big collection. But sometimes he has too many ideas... Now I sit in internet cafe in downtown Kiev with a headache from too much vodka and try to get a rest from all of that. Agents and porn producers must really work hard! Or is this just at beginning...? Still, its also lots of fun. I'll keep you posted... Edited by - Shameless on 9/8/2003 10:47:01 AM [Link]
BigFerret creampie scientist Searching for blonde and red bush 1985 Posts 10/02	Posted - Sep 8 2003 : 11:13AM Shameless, how's the Ukrainian anal these days? Have you checked out the Crimea? [Link]
aybesea Senior Member Caroline Cage - Hungarian Hottie! 1485 Posts 5/02	Posted - Sep 8 2003 : 11:51AM Hey Shameless, I for one really like your plan. There is nothing dishonest about conducting a business transaction between two consenting adults. If the girls are good with it, and if you are good with it, then go for it! I'm definitely looking forward to watching the first edition of Shameless' Russian Babettes! [Link]
Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - Sep 8 2003 : 12:57PM Hey shameless, have you ever thought about making casting movies ala Woodman? ;-) [Link]
RonK Big Double Everything Fan Poor Turkey running for her life with Christmas Hat 3713 Posts 9/01	Posted - Sep 8 2003 : 7:20PM Shameless, I like your business plan with plenty of good Vodka. I need to contribute some $$$ to Shameless's business so I can get in on the action -- a few double everythings on the side will be wonderful [:D}. I want to see all the cute newbies with 2 or more big dicks up their ass now . Ron [Link]
shameless Deactivated User Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03	Posted - Sep 12 2003 : 7:29PM RonK wrote: I want to see all the cute newbies with 2 or more big dicks up their ass now . Click to expand We are sure, you are not alone! And, also in the name of Alexis, I can asure you that we do all to meet our future customers needs. I called my brothers business-partner , Moscow sportsman Igor today, to assist in trying out some of Alexis girls over the weekend. He will arrive tomorrow afternoon...and than we will double-tag some of those hotties. We also hope, he might be interested to embark on a porn carrier himself... In the meantime Alexis and me have talked most aspects of our future company over. Still, we have to agree on prices and recruiting policies. Alexis is stongly against accepting non-anal talent in the Agency. Me, I think, we should incite anal in our payment policy, but not make anal a condition for the girls to enrol at all. (I would never have thought there is a more ardent teen-anal fan out there in the globe than me, but Alexis really is an extremist...! ) Its nearly 3 am in Kiev by now and thats the first night I will not fall to bed completely drunk and with empty balls! - Sorry for not answering all questions, but I keep you posted soon. [Link]

DreamWeaver Member 288 Posts 10/02	Posted - Sep 13 2003 : 1:04AM I'm still trying to get over Shameless having to dish out a hefty $2 to screw some russian girl in the butt. I think I have $6 in change in my pocket, could you set up a reverse gang bang for me? DreamWeaver ...somewhere laughing at Arrydey's post. [Link]
shameless Deactivated User Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03	Posted - Sep 13 2003 : 7:07PM No need to worry, DreamWeaver. Today I fucked 3 girls all day long just for free. I teamed up with Igor for mainly double anal, and we did it for our new companies sake (...but our dicks liked this kind of work, too!). These girls are so stunningly hot and willing, I tell you... Now, if you have 6$ to spare, I suggest a) call the bible-belt anti-porn help-line and get saved b) safe them until you have three times as much and than buy a new RLD-title (preferebly one using our agencies girls) c) drive my brothers next lorry from Bukarest to Moscow - and I will spot those cheep Chipsy (not russian!) girls for you. You choose. I am off for some more partying...sex'n'vodka. Kiev rulez! [Link]
shameless Deactivated User Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03	Posted - Sep 15 2003 : 3:18AM shameless wrote: No need to worry, DreamWeaver. Today I fucked 3 girls all day long just for free. Click to expand We did another 4 yesterday, all double-teamed up lest 1 and finally I can tell you: Alexis real does have the talent I was always dreaming of: Hot beautiful and willing local girls doing it all to earn good money! From the Internet-place of Kiev Airport I can yell into Porn-World: YES, we have the stuff and its ready for you to buy! WE HAVE REACHED AN AGREEMENT! I give Alexis the money, he contributes the girls and his local contacts. He builds up the Agency in Kiev now - especially our homepage - I am in charge of advertizement and customer contacts. Basically we have 22 girls based in Kiev at the moment, 12 claiming to do all up to DAP (but only 7 tested and verified already!). And I have given in to Alexis in as so far as for the first couple of testing months we will be an All Anal Agency , i.e. none of our girls does pussy-only. Our price-list and company name will be up in a couple of days. I'll keep you posted... Finally, just let me thank you for all your support mails during the last 10 hard vodka drinkin'n'fucking days in Kiev! Especially Shylock and Ayebesea. You are so kind!!! Edited by - Shameless on 9/15/2003 3:37:46 AM [Link]
Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - Sep 15 2003 : 4:42AM I look forward seeing movies from your company shameless, I hope they're as good as they sound ;-) [Link]
shameless Deactivated User Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03	Posted - Sep 15 2003 : 4:54AM Please note: We dont have a film company yet, all we (will) have is a talent agency to begin with: We sell fair priced willing girls for (foreign) porn productions. We sell the talent needed, not the final product!!! (We might stage our own porn-films in the near future, though...) [Link]
Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - Sep 15 2003 : 6:55AM You guys should think about making some casting movies like I mentioned before. I'm sure you could make some serious bank with that. I mean who wouldn't want to see those girls in action the very first time? [Link]
Sir Noel Plum Senior Studmuffin 1001 Posts 2/03	Posted - Sep 15 2003 : 6:58AM Sounds like this is the start of a really good business you've got going there Shameless (certainly the kind of job where you always look forward to going into the office), I'm quite jealous !! maybe when youve made a few billion youll follow in the footsteps of roman abramovich and ill see you on the tv at your newly aquired football club! id love to see the commentators trying to explain that you made your fortune from double-anal snp <!! maybe when youve made a few billion youll follow in the footsteps of roman abramovich and ill see you on the tv at your newly aquired football club! id love to see the commentators trying to explain that you made your fortune from double-anal snp <<!! maybe when youve made a few billion youll follow in the footsteps of roman abramovich and ill see you on the tv at your newly aquired football club! id love to see the commentators trying to explain that you made your fortune from double-anal snp <!! maybe when you've made a few billion you'll follow in the footsteps of roman abramovich and i'll see you on the tv at your newly aquired football club! i'd love to see the commentators trying to explain that you made your fortune from double-anal snp [[[[[[ [Link]
shameless Deactivated User Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03	Posted - Sep 15 2003 : 6:06PM Barely back home from my Kiev field trip today, Alexis rung me up in Moscow to announce he had sent me a link to Alenas second employer - a Moscow based escort agency having branches in Kiev and St.Pertersburg. He asked me to post her link here, for the time being until he has set up our own homepage. So here she is: <Shameless Kiev>-Model Nr. 15 - Alena Alexis read about Alena first more than a year ago on a Russian escort service site. She got high markes there, therfore Alexis decided to give her a try, too. Alena actually dreams of working as a model, you still find traces of that on that website decription. She is one of our 12 DAP-girls. I tried her out myself last Saterday - and I can tell you she is really into it! We counted 2 orgasms while double-taging her. She doesnt look like it on first sight, but she can be very submissiv. Alexis decided to ask her if she was interested to work for us after one day she canceled a booked meeting with him, saying she had been fucked randomly all night long by a group of Russian football fans. <My pimp payed me only 100 grivnas for that and I cant even think of working tonight>, she claimed according to Alexis. <But I enjoyed it so much!>, she told him. When Alexis told her she could earn hundreds of Dollars instead of Grivnas doing the same for an American company on a film set, Alena wanted to quit her escort agreement straight away. Alena is only 18 3/4 y.o. and has a 2-year contract with the escort company she works for. She sells her body since she turned 14 - a harsh Ukrainian sex worker career - and I am still quite moved just thinking of her story. I know only beauty and performance counts in this biz, but this girl has worked really hard in her life! And she has worked really hard to get herself ready more extreme anal play. She is too thight and inexpericed anally to take on guys hung like Steve Holmes and Franco Roccaforte simultaneousely at this very moment, but she can deliver a steemy DAP with smaller guys. And will soon blossom further. All I can say is: I dont want to ask for pitty, but please help this girl and book her! She deserves it! She deserves her model-dream becoming true! Together with Alena and Alexis I hope really many forum-readers will like her 3 pictures up on that escort site. Vote for her, if you like her! Give her a chance!!! Please note: Alana has been the only Kiev girl of said escort service we have tested negative (also for STIs). While we strongly advise you to book her for condom-less porn only, we will do all to make sure she does her future escort clients with rubber only! (Price enquiries are to be directed to my e-mail; a general price list for our girls will be ready in yet a few days.) Edited by - Shameless on 9/15/2003 6:21:23 PM [Link]
medit Member 11 Posts 9/03	Posted - Sep 15 2003 : 6:32PM dude, what's wrong with you? Have you even worked a job of any kind? I think women in porn deserve every penny, if not more. And I'm not exactly the most handsome guy and Lord knows I don't have money and I have sex pretty much all the time. Maybe you should be nice to people. Arrydey wrote: Women get paid way too much in porn. And they should only get paid by how well they perform. Moaning, sexy facial expressions, dirty, but tasteful sex talk while having sex, etc. The most a woman should get paid for one porn seen is $100. By paying women more than that, you're encouraging women to never have sex for free on their own time. Women won't even fuck for free anymore because they know they can get rich fucking. That means many men won't ever get laid. And the ones that do will go broke doing so. Also, by paying women more than that, you're placing the false idea in their heads that they are worth more than men. That's why women play games to deceive men and fuck men over to make them feel like shit all the time. Then you've got jealousy & hatred spreading like plague which is why the world is fucked up like it is. Men are not lesser beings. So don't treat them like they are. They have too many pissed off men walking around killing and assaulting people. And women are becoming the same way for something they started. Click to expand [Link]
shameless Deactivated User Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03	Posted - Sep 16 2003 : 2:58AM medit wrote: I think women in porn deserve every penny, if not more. Arrydey wrote: Women get paid way too much in porn. (...)The most a woman should get paid for one porn seen is $100. Click to expand Click to expand Medit, rest assured that none of our girls will earn less of 110$ per sex act. This equals 2 average monthly incomes here in Ukraine! (They only earn less if they dont do anal). They deserve every penny, you say it well, still as an agent I have to make sure they get booked us much as possible, too. [Link]

RonK Big Double Everything Fan Poor Turkey running for her life with Christmas Hat 3713 Posts 9/01	Posted - Sep 16 2003 : 8:48AM Shameless wrote: She is one of our 12 DAP-girls. I tried her out myself last Saterday - and I can tell you she is really into it! We counted 2 orgasms while double-taging her. Click to expand So I assume that you and your buddy double analed her and she argasmed while getting double analed -- WOW! She cute with all-natural boobs I assume. Ron [Link]
RonK Big Double Everything Fan Poor Turkey running for her life with Christmas Hat 3713 Posts 9/01	Posted - Sep 16 2003 : 9:05AM Hey Shameless, There are several cute babes in the weblink you provided, Are these babes also available from your agency? Some cute ones from the site include Zarina, Dina, Sveta, Anya, and Masha. Yum. Ron [Link]
nietzsche Deactivated User 5470 Posts 8/03	Posted - Sep 16 2003 : 10:58AM Hey, here's one I like!! Great work shameless!! The Philosopher [Link]
aybesea Senior Member Caroline Cage - Hungarian Hottie! 1485 Posts 5/02	Posted - Sep 16 2003 : 1:14PM nietzsche wrote: Hey, here's one I like!! Great work shameless!! Click to expand I'll second that! What a hot little redhead. [Link]
Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - Sep 16 2003 : 1:26PM So I assume that you and your buddy double analed her and she argasmed while getting double analed -- WOW! She cute with all-natural boobs I assume Click to expand Too bad he didn't film it for us ;-) [Link]
shameless Deactivated User Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03	Posted - Sep 16 2003 : 4:59PM Funny - Aybesea and Nitzsche - you pointed out cute Moscovite redhead Vlada! Funny because I already contacted the Moscow office person about her a few days ago. Though we will be Kiev-based (which is 1 hour trip by plane) since spotting her in that escort agencies offer, I could not forget this girl! Only 160cm high and 42 kg Vlada just calls for some hot DP/DAP-action, IMHO. And I can tell you the escort booking girl confirmed: Vlada does anal and is available for everybody booking her services. Now, I will make sure she gets properly tested soon and set up a casting with her in my Moscow appartment. If she agrees on DAP, I will call in Igor again and we will do our best to give her a joyful orgasmic experience - in order to win her over for a porn career. But first she needs to be tested negative...! Generally, I am not yet sure, what exactly to do with Moscow based talent. Dwelling on Alexis built up talent pool and due to the really low prices down in Ukraine and neighbouring Moldova, I decided to start business in Kiev/Ukraine. Only if this business runs well, I wanted to build up a sister company in Moscow. But Vlada might point me to a different, more simultaneous direction... Edited by - Shameless on 9/16/2003 5:03:11 PM [Link]
shameless Deactivated User Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03	Posted - Sep 16 2003 : 5:24PM Ramsey wrote: So I assume that you and your buddy double analed her and she argasmed while getting double analed -- WOW! She cute with all-natural boobs I assume Click to expand Too bad he didn't film it for us ;-) Click to expand Thank you Ramsey for your interest in our castings! I never said we did not film those evens (we actually did film then of course), but to tell you the truth we dont intend to release a casting-film in the near future, if not at all. The reason is simple: I DONT want to produce yet another Russian amateur porn tape!!! We have enough of them plaging our market. I am fond of Woodmans Castings, too. But, IMHO, they are bearable because of all those cut-outs from photo-sessions or professional porn films. What you would get in our casting however, would just be newbie after newbie interviewed and subsequently tested out by 1-2 not too attractive guys who dont even care for good camera view. Ok, DAP-ing Alena was really fun, and she really did enjoy it quite a lot. But if this fucking had to meet only half professional standarts, I doubt she would have enjoyed it that much. First, neither me nor Igor are professional porn actors. Second, nor are the most <spectacular>, i.e. viewer-friendly positions, really good for orgasms. All we did with Alena and those 6 other DAP-candidates was inciting those girls to anal pleasures. Giving them a good time in order to win them over to do porn. We did dress them up much better than ol'Pierre does. But you usually dont see the penetration, you have bad camera-angles, boring discussions what exatly we want in Russian etc. - I cannot immagine somebody really wants to watch that. Woodman is a genius, we are not! [Link]
Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - Sep 16 2003 : 5:55PM I cannot immagine somebody really wants to watch that. Woodman is a genius, we are not! Click to expand Maybe you should think twice about that. I would pay some good money to see those casting movies because I find it very interesting. So how about selling them just to me? ;-) [Link]
shameless Deactivated User Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03	Posted - Sep 16 2003 : 6:26PM If you are ever in Moscow, drop me a line, Ramsey, and I will show them to you. I owe you a beer for all your kind info on Suriname-anal in Hagues and Amsterdams red light district anyway. Edited by - Shameless on 9/16/2003 6:28:16 PM [Link]
AlexPanzer Deactivated User 1593 Posts 6/03	Posted - Sep 16 2003 : 6:28PM Shameless, how about showing some pics of your girls to us? I mean common, we all wanna see them [Link]
shameless Deactivated User Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03	Posted - Sep 16 2003 : 6:34PM Of course you do, Alex. For the time being you have to check that 1 single link to Alena, though. Alexis is responsible for our own homepage. He has to arrange professional photos to be taken of our girls, first, however. For the time being, we have to relay on other homepages advertizing our girls for slightly other purposes. I am sorry for that inconvinience. [Link]
RonK Big Double Everything Fan Poor Turkey running for her life with Christmas Hat 3713 Posts 9/01	Posted - Sep 16 2003 : 8:23PM Hey Shameless, The rest of us or at least I want to see mor pics, pretty please with sugar on top. WOW you get to dap the babes. Maybe you should sign up for Ariana's gangbang and be a dap participant. Ron [Link]
shameless Deactivated User Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03	Posted - Sep 17 2003 : 2:31AM RonK wrote: ...pretty please with sugar on top. Click to expand Rest assured that we will do our best to present all of them in a good light. Apart from the usual naked front/back/sideways/close up face and bust, we have plan some extra shots to be taken in bent-over position, girls dolled up in their favorite stockings and shoes and (on my personal request) a spread-pussy-lip close up. About latter I dont know how important it is for our client porn companies, but I aim at promoting pussy as eye-candy better. Test-DAP-ing the girls can be hard work - beware! - and I dont do it with all our talent. It took me a long way, actually, to be able to stay hard and stay hard longer with other cock so close present, but once I overcame my problems, it truely is lots of fun! I still most time prefer watching professionals at it, though and just go on escort girl 1 on 1-anal after. But I do want to sell my clients a product I actually know. Thus and in order to incite girls, we tested those 7 ourself first. Because I dont want girls to sign up for DAP because of the good $$$, but once on set, they will flake. I just dont want to risk this! Producers will hate me, if I sell them product that does not work properly. As much as I would like to fuck Ariana, I dont intend to become a porn star. Sometimes I think you guys are not aware of all those unconfortable positions and lighting porn actors have to endure. I am sure, Cal will find 21 good professionals to DAP Ariana silly. Edited by - Shameless on 9/17/2003 2:36:16 AM [Link]
shameless Deactivated User Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03	Posted - Sep 18 2003 : 4:40AM shameless wrote: Because I dont want girls to sign up for DAP because of the good $$$, but once on set, they will flake. Click to expand Maybe this was not clear enough: Of course we will pay the girls good $$$-fee for DAP (at least 5 average Ukrainian monthly incomes!) hoping that ALL of them will at least think about trying it. But those who actually signed for it, after seeing pictures we show them (in case they should not know what act we talk about), we still want to test out ourselfs in order to prevent failure bookings. As a producer you are never sure, I know, but I want a maximum low failure rate with our Agencies girls. I dont want West producers, maybe even my favorite Western porn directors, to travel all the way to Kiev and not get exactly what they want! We will really care for our girls, but customer-care is higher priority!!! Edited by - Shameless on 9/19/2003 3:05:20 AM [Link]
Bob All-Star Member 5516 Posts 3/03	Posted - Sep 19 2003 : 9:59AM shameless, How did you come up with the thread title "East Girl Dumping Prices"? (In the U.S., "dumping" typically refers to (1) throwing out trash, or (2) breaking off a relationship with someone.) [Link]
shameless Deactivated User Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03	Posted - Sep 19 2003 : 10:02AM RonK wrote: Shameless wrote: She is one of our 12 DAP-girls. I tried her out myself last Saterday - and I can tell you she is really into it! We counted 2 orgasms while double-taging her. Click to expand So I assume that you and your buddy double analed her and she argasmed while getting double analed -- WOW! She cute with all-natural boobs I assume. Click to expand Yes, RonK, Alena is 110% natural. She has also no piercing and no tattoos (although I would not mind her getting them at all, but on the other hand market quite likes <natural> - so maybe we can ask a bit higher price for her...). She orgasmed twice while we really trust into her pooper both and hard. She really does like it hard, indeed. She looks so delicate, one would not think she derrives so much pleasure from being submissiv. She is the only girl we tested that orgasmed twice. I hope so much for her she can keep up all her lust on film set as well. But it will be more hard, I am sure. But we will also promote her for gangbangs. This might be a bit easier. In end: I am very curious wheter Alena will be porn star like Rita Faltoyano in about 1 year from now. She sure has body and will to it, but maybe we as her promotors in West are not experienced enough... I hope she will find way soon to Budapest or USA directly. Finally: Yes, she really cute...and fun to fuck! Edited by - Shameless on 9/19/2003 10:06:02 AM [Link]

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shameless
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Posted - Aug 23 2003 : 5:14AM

I really so much want our beautiful Russian girls to be successful, to be to move to West for work. And I really cheer every girl deciding to sell her body for the pleasure of porn consumers. And while I want the free market to rule, I start to wonder where it all leads.

Recently I was offered double anal sex acts from Ukrainian and Moldovan girls for half free (plus travel expenses to West). For me it would be expensive still, but for Western company those prices must be really bargain!
I picked up a Gipsy girl on a streetcorner recently and had a session even including anal for 2$ recently. I bet she would do a DAP for less than 20$, if only she was capable. If porn producer would promise her work in Budapest, she would do it for free even and bring along all her girlfriends I am sure.

Some girls are so desperate to go to West and earn money! I am thinking of setting up my own porn agency and company, but here I am again and wonder wheter about East girl dumping price level.

Am I caring just too much? Or should I just better think with my dick...

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EagleSpirit
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Posted - Aug 23 2003 : 5:21AM

If you are going to start thinking with your dick you should change your avatar LOL.

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Ramsey
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Posted - Aug 23 2003 : 7:03AM

I think the girls should be paid what they're worth and I'm against companies who take advantage of these girls because the girls are poor and desperate for money.

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BigFerret
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Posted - Aug 23 2003 : 10:07AM

I like your spirit of capitalism. How about some girls from the Baltics or the Crimea in your films?

Edited by - BigFerret on 8/23/2003 10:07:45 AM

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skronker
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Posted - Aug 23 2003 : 10:16AM

It all sounds a lttle close to trafficking in quasi-slavery to me.

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shameless
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Posted - Aug 23 2003 : 10:52AM

Skronker,
I am not involved into the porn business as to yet and I DON'T plan to get involved in any human trafficking activity at all!

Setting up a porn agency eventually would rather be something like a job office. Girls interested in performing on a porn set here or abroad could contact me and I would try to get jobs for them.

At one hand undeniable there is an increasing demand for beautiful, willing girls in porn, on the other lots of East girls really want to work in West. Czech girls did a lot for Slavic porn fame, but they became quite expensive it seems. Ukrainian girls would surely be cheaper and still earn well more with just one sex act than Ukrainian worker per month.
Question is rather just wheter 50$ (i.e. 1 average monthly income in Ukraine) for DAP is a fair price or rather 350$? Question also is how not to loose all my care for these girls, while I actually would earn my living with them. Buying their services (as I do up to now) is other thing than making a living from their services (while surely getting to fuck some of them just for free...)

Capitalizm and porn rule! Still, girls are the holiest creatures in World!

I am curious for all your input.

Edited by - Shameless on 8/23/2003 11:02:29 AM

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RonK

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Posted - Aug 23 2003 : 11:15AM

Hey Shameless, You should direct an all double anal feature with your Eastern Eurobabes. I suspect that you would pick real cute babes and make an excellent video. I will rush to the store to get it if the title gets released in the US. Just make sure that the babes are cute and the double anal scenes are long and well shot .

Ron

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skronker
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Posted - Aug 23 2003 : 11:39AM

The whole economic disparity issue is troubling to me. I'm really sensitive to the labor question, although it is difficult to sort out at times. But, yeah, if you're heading down that road why not shoot some of your own stuff and see what happens?

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shameless
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Posted - Aug 23 2003 : 12:19PM

Thanks RonK. I know at least ten cute girls only here in Moscow who could do that and supposed they are really healthy I would be more than glad to arrange an all DAP feature with them. However, without the help of experienced Western cocksman and a West porn crew this is unlikely to happen in the near future. I could think of co-directing and sell the end product to well established porn company instead.

I have an incredibly hot, petite Georgian girl - measuring only 148 cm but with fair sized tits - that I not only like to fuck myself, but really would like to watch in a well-produced gonzo-allDAP-movie. I also have my good old escort girl Natalia... and so many cute little things I tried out myself in recent months.

I am sure I know how I want the DAPs (but probabely not able to film it that way mayself) and the crew could just film in our house and the our factory and building company car park over the street. Production would be fairly cheap, but I really still lack the knowledge to do it all myself. And I dont want to produce one more Russian amateuris crap film!

Edited by - Shameless on 8/23/2003 12:22:51 PM

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Cyberchicken
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Posted - Aug 23 2003 : 5:48PM

Poverty Porn

No thanks

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RonK

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Posted - Aug 23 2003 : 7:42PM

Maybe we will all contribute money to Shameless for him to produce his video with the stipulation that it is all-dap, has only drop-dead cuties, the title is well shot with great angles, everything is well produced, and the babes are paid Western rates. If the quality is very high and the babes are cute, we will all get our money back with profits and everybody is happy. The girls get paid good money, Shameless has his video and money, I get my video and small profit, and the US dealer gets a fine product.

The issue is not the lowest rates for the girl but a top quality dap video with the cutest babes. I want 10.5 on a 10 point scale babe or the top .0005% in looks babes. Babes that are drop-dead gorgeous by any criteria do double everything or at least dap.

Ron

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shameless
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Posted - Aug 24 2003 : 2:48AM

If you dont want to watch girls at least partly driven by poverty you better throw nearly all your porn collection away! Never again watch a Prague or Budapest filmed RLD title, never again watch a Latina flick!

I certainly dont plan to exploit those beautiful Slavic girls we have here because they look for porn work out of poverty. Although I could get some of them do DAP even for less than 50$ I plan to pay them much much more. I aim at being really fair and caring (while still boosting the export of beautiful and willing Slavic porn talent)

Edited by - Shameless on 8/24/2003 3:32:46 AM

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Posted - Aug 24 2003 : 7:52AM

Women get paid way too much in porn. And they should only get paid by how well they perform. Moaning, sexy facial expressions, dirty, but tasteful sex talk while having sex, etc. The most a woman should get paid for one porn seen is $100. By paying women more than that, you're encouraging women to never have sex for free on their own time. Women won't even fuck for free anymore because they know they can get rich fucking. That means many men won't ever get laid. And the ones that do will go broke doing so. Also, by paying women more than that, you're placing the false idea in their heads that they are worth more than men. That's why women play games to deceive men and fuck men over to make them feel like shit all the time. Then you've got jealousy & hatred spreading like plague which is why the world is fucked up like it is. Men are not lesser beings. So don't treat them like they are. They have too many pissed off men walking around killing and assaulting people. And women are becoming the same way for something they started.

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Posted - Aug 24 2003 : 10:52AM

Arrydey, you obviously have a problem with women. Your post is so offensive I don't even know where to begin.

Perhaps some men aren't getting laid because their view of women is so fucked up that no woman would want to go near them. Porn stars and escorts are a small portion of the female population. And I can assure you that plenty of them have sex without money being involved. Most women are having sex with men because they love them, or simply want to get laid. Don't blame your problems on women.

Are you just trying to be offensive? Or do you seriously think the violence in the world has anything to do with some women getting paid to have sex on film?

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Shameless, if you're not honest with the girls about the going rate in the US for performing certain acts on film, then you are taking advantage of their poverty.

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Posted - Aug 27 2003 : 7:07AM

It is not as easy as that, Steph:
First I dont know the US-going rate, because we dont talk about it here. But even if I told these girls something like, <look, once you are in the US a DAP will rean you 1500$>, many of them would still be inclined to do it in Kiev or Budapest for just a fraction (going down as low as 50$) in the hope to get famous and soon be able to do it in the US for 1500$.

Let me just add how mixed up I am about Arrdays post here. This is the least I wanted to incite!

Edited by - Shameless on 8/31/2003 3:13:24 AM

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Posted - Sep 2 2003 : 12:19PM

After pondering upon the question what is fair and what not a long time, I think I will propose my Kiev collegue that we pay the girl at least 1 months average Ukrainian wage for pussy-only filmed on spot in Kiev. Anal will be payed at least twice as much. (...these prices we still need to discuss...)
We will hand-out some basic hygiene and health manual, a basic english-russian porn language phrase-book and infos about the going rates in Budapest, Prague and California for established porn girls. And offer our help in negotiating with foreign producers.
If we negotiate on her behalf for an engagement abroad, we take 500$ initially plus 20% of her fee for our work. To book her for producers contacting us, we ask them 30% on top of the going rates for our talent scouting.

Basic minimum fees are imprinted in russian, rumanian and english on top of our booking-sheet. This shall garantee full transparency.

Now you please tell me: Is this providing fresh meat for dumping prices? What kind og girls would you like us to provide? Should we put the age limit to 22? 24? or 28?

Edited by - Shameless on 9/3/2003 4:23:42 AM

Edited to add that the current average monthly income in Ukraine is about 55 $, which often is payed with a few months delay. Our girls will get $$$-cash straight after the scene.

Edited by - Shameless on 9/3/2003 4:24:57 AM

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Ramsey
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Posted - Sep 3 2003 : 5:45AM

Hey Shameless, I hope you have some big butt girls in your stable. We can never have enough big butt girls in porn ;-)

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shameless
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Posted - Sep 3 2003 : 3:11PM

There will be no shortage of ass, but big butt is not exactly an Ukrainian speciality. At least not with women under 45. Sorry Ramsey.

Also: I dont really like the word <stable> here. If at all I would rather use <collection>. All we aim at setting up is a help-center for girls wanting to act in porn films for foreign producers here and abroad. We collect beautiful&willing girls pictures and questionnaires in our file-box. Some girls might be sex animals in their behaviour with cock(s), but first and foremost they are the crown of gods plan deserving all our attention and adoration. I hope this sounds not too idealistic...

Edited by - Shameless on 9/6/2003 4:14:03 PM

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Posted - Sep 3 2003 : 5:51PM

I think your biggest problem is that there isn't any built up porn infrastructure in Kiev like there is in LA, Prague, and Budapest. What I mean by that is that you do not have companies like RLD, Anabolic, etc., that are based there shooting scenes full time, at least I don't think you do. On the other hand, this could be the first step in that direction. If I were you, I would start off by focusing on the scouting angle, supplying talent to LA, Prague, and Budapest, and then work on developing the market in Kiev so that you can sell companies like RLD on the idea of traveling there for a few weeks to shoot some scenes.

One thing I would be concerned about in trying to do this is the potential involvement of organized crime. I assume that the Russian mafia or it's Ukrainian equivalent is still quite strong in Kiev, and so I wonder if that would be a problem.

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shameless
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Posted - Sep 8 2003 : 10:40AM

Yes it is. Both of them are. Although their wild high time is over now.

Alexis - my possible future business partner - is clean, but I am not sure about all of his aquaintances. Yesterday night we went to a gloomey strip club to meet a guy who presented us what he called <high class caucasian bitches>. He had some very beautiful, petite Georgian girls he wanted to rent us for a daily/weekly fee to use for whatever we wanted.
I had a go at one of them and she was really hot and talented!!! And the price of this guy was really cheap. But this is not the thing I want to get involved in!
If anything at all, I would buy her out and advertize her in West - if she likes. She sure could become porn superstar...

Field trip is really hard here sometimes with lots of up and downs, lots of drinking and quite some fucking for free. Maybe future business partner Alexis is full of ideas, very energic guy and true porn freak with really big big collection. But sometimes he has too many ideas...

Now I sit in internet cafe in downtown Kiev with a headache from too much vodka and try to get a rest from all of that. Agents and porn producers must really work hard! Or is this just at beginning...?

Still, its also lots of fun. I'll keep you posted...

Edited by - Shameless on 9/8/2003 10:47:01 AM

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BigFerret
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Posted - Sep 8 2003 : 11:13AM

Shameless, how's the Ukrainian anal these days?
Have you checked out the Crimea?

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Posted - Sep 8 2003 : 11:51AM

Hey Shameless, I for one really like your plan. There is nothing dishonest about conducting a business transaction between two consenting adults. If the girls are good with it, and if you are good with it, then go for it!

I'm definitely looking forward to watching the first edition of Shameless' Russian Babettes!

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Ramsey
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Posted - Sep 8 2003 : 12:57PM

Hey shameless, have you ever thought about making casting movies ala Woodman? ;-)

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RonK

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Posted - Sep 8 2003 : 7:20PM

Shameless,

I like your business plan with plenty of good Vodka. I need to contribute some $$$ to Shameless's business so I can get in on the action -- a few double everythings on the side will be wonderful [:D}.

I want to see all the cute newbies with 2 or more big dicks up their ass now .

Ron

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Posted - Sep 12 2003 : 7:29PM

We are sure, you are not alone! And, also in the name of Alexis, I can asure you that we do all to meet our future customers needs.
I called
my brothers business-partner , Moscow sportsman Igor today, to assist in trying out some of Alexis girls over the weekend. He will arrive tomorrow afternoon...and than we will double-tag some of those hotties.
We also hope, he might be interested to embark on a porn carrier himself...

In the meantime Alexis and me have talked most aspects of our future company over. Still, we have to agree on prices and recruiting policies. Alexis is stongly against accepting non-anal talent in the Agency. Me, I think, we should incite anal in our payment policy, but not make anal a condition for the girls to enrol at all. (I would never have thought there is a more ardent teen-anal fan out there in the globe than me, but Alexis really is an extremist...! )

Its nearly 3 am in Kiev by now and thats the first night I will not fall to bed completely drunk and with empty balls!
- Sorry for not answering all questions, but I keep you posted soon.

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DreamWeaver
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Posted - Sep 13 2003 : 1:04AM

I'm still trying to get over Shameless having to dish out a hefty $2 to screw some russian girl in the butt. I think I have $6 in change in my pocket, could you set up a reverse gang bang for me?

DreamWeaver

...somewhere laughing at Arrydey's post.

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shameless
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Posted - Sep 13 2003 : 7:07PM

No need to worry, DreamWeaver. Today I fucked 3 girls all day long just for free. I teamed up with Igor for mainly double anal, and we did it for our new companies sake (...but our dicks liked this kind of work, too!). These girls are so stunningly hot and willing, I tell you...

Now, if you have 6$ to spare, I suggest
a) call the bible-belt anti-porn help-line and get saved
b) safe them until you have three times as much and than buy a new RLD-title (preferebly one using our agencies girls)
c) drive my brothers next lorry from Bukarest to Moscow - and I will spot those cheep Chipsy (not russian!) girls for you.

You choose. I am off for some more partying...sex'n'vodka. Kiev rulez!

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shameless
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Posted - Sep 15 2003 : 3:18AM

We did another 4 yesterday, all double-teamed up lest 1 and finally I can tell you: Alexis real does have the talent I was always dreaming of: Hot beautiful and willing local girls doing it all to earn good money!

From the Internet-place of Kiev Airport I can yell into Porn-World:
YES, we have the stuff and its ready for you to buy!
WE HAVE REACHED AN AGREEMENT!
I give Alexis the money, he contributes the girls and his local contacts. He builds up the Agency in Kiev now - especially our homepage - I am in charge of advertizement and customer contacts.

Basically we have 22 girls based in Kiev at the moment, 12 claiming to do all up to DAP (but only 7 tested and verified already!). And I have given in to Alexis in as so far as for the first couple of testing months we will be an All Anal Agency , i.e. none of our girls does pussy-only.
Our price-list and company name will be up in a couple of days. I'll keep you posted...

Finally, just let me thank you for all your support mails during the last 10 hard vodka drinkin'n'fucking days in Kiev! Especially Shylock and Ayebesea. You are so kind!!!

Edited by - Shameless on 9/15/2003 3:37:46 AM

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Ramsey
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Posted - Sep 15 2003 : 4:42AM

I look forward seeing movies from your company shameless, I hope they're as good as they sound ;-)

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Posted - Sep 15 2003 : 4:54AM

Please note:
We dont have a film company yet, all we (will) have is a talent agency to begin with: We sell fair priced willing girls for (foreign) porn productions. We sell the talent needed, not the final product!!!
(We might stage our own porn-films in the near future, though...)

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Ramsey
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Posted - Sep 15 2003 : 6:55AM

You guys should think about making some casting movies like I mentioned before. I'm sure you could make some serious bank with that. I mean who wouldn't want to see those girls in action the very first time?

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Sir Noel Plum
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Posted - Sep 15 2003 : 6:58AM

Sounds like this is the start of a really good business you've got going there Shameless (certainly the kind of job where you always look forward to going into the office), I'm quite jealous !!

maybe when youve made a few billion youll follow in the footsteps of roman abramovich and ill see you on the tv at your newly aquired football club! id love to see the commentators trying to explain that you made your fortune from double-anal

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maybe when you've made a few billion you'll follow in the footsteps of roman abramovich and i'll see you on the tv at your newly aquired football club! i'd love to see the commentators trying to explain that you made your fortune from double-anal

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Posted - Sep 15 2003 : 6:06PM

Barely back home from my Kiev field trip today, Alexis rung me up in Moscow to announce he had sent me a link to Alenas second employer - a Moscow based escort agency having branches in Kiev and St.Pertersburg. He asked me to post her link here, for the time being until he has set up our own homepage.

So here she is: <Shameless Kiev>-Model Nr. 15 - Alena

Alexis read about Alena first more than a year ago on a Russian escort service site. She got high markes there, therfore Alexis decided to give her a try, too. Alena actually dreams of working as a model, you still find traces of that on that website decription.
She is one of our 12 DAP-girls. I tried her out myself last Saterday - and I can tell you she is really into it! We counted 2 orgasms while double-taging her. She doesnt look like it on first sight, but she can be very submissiv. Alexis decided to ask her if she was interested to work for us after one day she canceled a booked meeting with him, saying she had been fucked randomly all night long by a group of Russian football fans. <My pimp payed me only 100 grivnas for that and I cant even think of working tonight>, she claimed according to Alexis. <But I enjoyed it so much!>, she told him.
When Alexis told her she could earn hundreds of Dollars instead of Grivnas doing the same for an American company on a film set, Alena wanted to quit her escort agreement straight away.

Alena is only 18 3/4 y.o. and has a 2-year contract with the escort company she works for. She sells her body since she turned 14 - a harsh Ukrainian sex worker career - and I am still quite moved just thinking of her story. I know only beauty and performance counts in this biz, but this girl has worked really hard in her life! And she has worked really hard to get herself ready more extreme anal play. She is too thight and inexpericed anally to take on guys hung like Steve Holmes and Franco Roccaforte simultaneousely at this very moment, but she can deliver a steemy DAP with smaller guys. And will soon blossom further.
All I can say is: I dont want to ask for pitty, but please help this girl and book her! She deserves it! She deserves her model-dream becoming true!

Together with Alena and Alexis I hope really many forum-readers will like her 3 pictures up on that escort site. Vote for her, if you like her! Give her a chance!!!

Please note: Alana has been the only Kiev girl of said escort service we have tested negative (also for STIs). While we strongly advise you to book her for condom-less porn only, we will do all to make sure she does her future escort clients with rubber only!

(Price enquiries are to be directed to my e-mail; a general price list for our girls will be ready in yet a few days.)

Edited by - Shameless on 9/15/2003 6:21:23 PM

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Posted - Sep 15 2003 : 6:32PM

dude, what's wrong with you? Have you even worked a job of any kind? I think women in porn deserve every penny, if not more. And I'm not exactly the most handsome guy and Lord knows I don't have money and I have sex pretty much all the time. Maybe you should be nice to people.

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Women get paid way too much in porn. And they should only get paid by how well they perform. Moaning, sexy facial expressions, dirty, but tasteful sex talk while having sex, etc. The most a woman should get paid for one porn seen is $100. By paying women more than that, you're encouraging women to never have sex for free on their own time. Women won't even fuck for free anymore because they know they can get rich fucking. That means many men won't ever get laid. And the ones that do will go broke doing so. Also, by paying women more than that, you're placing the false idea in their heads that they are worth more than men. That's why women play games to deceive men and fuck men over to make them feel like shit all the time. Then you've got jealousy & hatred spreading like plague which is why the world is fucked up like it is. Men are not lesser beings. So don't treat them like they are. They have too many pissed off men walking around killing and assaulting people. And women are becoming the same way for something they started.
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shameless
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Posted - Sep 16 2003 : 2:58AM

Medit, rest assured that none of our girls will earn less of 110$ per sex act. This equals 2 average monthly incomes here in Ukraine! (They only earn less if they dont do anal). They deserve every penny, you say it well, still as an agent I have to make sure they get booked us much as possible, too.

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RonK

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Posted - Sep 16 2003 : 8:48AM

So I assume that you and your buddy double analed her and she argasmed while getting double analed -- WOW! She cute with all-natural boobs I assume.

Ron

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Posted - Sep 16 2003 : 9:05AM

Hey Shameless,

There are several cute babes in the weblink you provided, Are these babes also available from your agency? Some cute ones from the site include Zarina, Dina, Sveta, Anya, and Masha. Yum.

Ron

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nietzsche
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Posted - Sep 16 2003 : 10:58AM

Hey, here's one I like!!
Great work shameless!!

The Philosopher

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aybesea
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Posted - Sep 16 2003 : 1:14PM

I'll second that! What a hot little redhead.

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Ramsey
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Posted - Sep 16 2003 : 1:26PM

Too bad he didn't film it for us ;-)

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shameless
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Posted - Sep 16 2003 : 4:59PM

Funny - Aybesea and Nitzsche - you pointed out cute Moscovite redhead Vlada! Funny because I already contacted the Moscow office person about her a few days ago. Though we will be Kiev-based (which is 1 hour trip by plane) since spotting her in that escort agencies offer, I could not forget this girl! Only 160cm high and 42 kg Vlada just calls for some hot DP/DAP-action, IMHO. And I can tell you the escort booking girl confirmed: Vlada does anal and is available for everybody booking her services.

Now, I will make sure she gets properly tested soon and set up a casting with her in my Moscow appartment. If she agrees on DAP, I will call in Igor again and we will do our best to give her a joyful orgasmic experience - in order to win her over for a porn career.

But first she needs to be tested negative...!

Generally, I am not yet sure, what exactly to do with Moscow based talent. Dwelling on Alexis built up talent pool and due to the really low prices down in Ukraine and neighbouring Moldova, I decided to start business in Kiev/Ukraine. Only if this business runs well, I wanted to build up a sister company in Moscow. But Vlada might point me to a different, more simultaneous direction...

Edited by - Shameless on 9/16/2003 5:03:11 PM

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Posted - Sep 16 2003 : 5:24PM

Thank you Ramsey for your interest in our castings! I never said we did not film those evens (we actually did film then of course), but to tell you the truth we dont intend to release a casting-film in the near future, if not at all. The reason is simple: I DONT want to produce yet another Russian amateur porn tape!!! We have enough of them plaging our market.

I am fond of Woodmans Castings, too. But, IMHO, they are bearable because of all those cut-outs from photo-sessions or professional porn films. What you would get in our casting however, would just be newbie after newbie interviewed and subsequently tested out by 1-2 not too attractive guys who dont even care for good camera view.

Ok, DAP-ing Alena was really fun, and she really did enjoy it quite a lot. But if this fucking had to meet only half professional standarts, I doubt she would have enjoyed it that much. First, neither me nor Igor are professional porn actors. Second, nor are the most <spectacular>, i.e. viewer-friendly positions, really good for orgasms.
All we did with Alena and those 6 other DAP-candidates was inciting those girls to anal pleasures. Giving them a good time in order to win them over to do porn.

We did dress them up much better than ol'Pierre does. But you usually dont see the penetration, you have bad camera-angles, boring discussions what exatly we want in Russian etc. - I cannot immagine somebody really wants to watch that. Woodman is a genius, we are not!

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Posted - Sep 16 2003 : 5:55PM

Maybe you should think twice about that. I would pay some good money to see those casting movies because I find it very interesting. So how about selling them just to me? ;-)

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shameless
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Posted - Sep 16 2003 : 6:26PM

If you are ever in Moscow, drop me a line, Ramsey, and I will show them to you. I owe you a beer for all your kind info on Suriname-anal in Hagues and Amsterdams red light district anyway.

Edited by - Shameless on 9/16/2003 6:28:16 PM

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AlexPanzer
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Posted - Sep 16 2003 : 6:28PM

Shameless, how about showing some pics of your girls to us? I mean common, we all wanna see them

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shameless
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Posted - Sep 16 2003 : 6:34PM

Of course you do, Alex. For the time being you have to check that 1 single link to Alena, though. Alexis is responsible for our own homepage. He has to arrange professional photos to be taken of our girls, first, however.
For the time being, we have to relay on other homepages advertizing our girls for slightly other purposes.

I am sorry for that inconvinience.

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RonK

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Posted - Sep 16 2003 : 8:23PM

Hey Shameless,

The rest of us or at least I want to see mor pics, pretty please with sugar on top. WOW you get to dap the babes. Maybe you should sign up for Ariana's gangbang and be a dap participant.

Ron

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shameless
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Posted - Sep 17 2003 : 2:31AM

Rest assured that we will do our best to present all of them in a good light. Apart from the usual naked front/back/sideways/close up face and bust, we have plan some extra shots to be taken in bent-over position, girls dolled up in their favorite stockings and shoes and (on my personal request) a spread-pussy-lip close up. About latter I dont know how important it is for our client porn companies, but I aim at promoting pussy as eye-candy better.

Test-DAP-ing the girls can be hard work - beware! - and I dont do it with all our talent. It took me a long way, actually, to be able to stay hard and stay hard longer with other cock so close present, but once I overcame my problems, it truely is lots of fun!
I still most time prefer watching professionals at it, though and just go on escort girl 1 on 1-anal after. But I do want to sell my clients a product I actually know. Thus and in order to incite girls, we tested those 7 ourself first. Because I dont want girls to sign up for DAP because of the good $$$, but once on set, they will flake. I just dont want to risk this! Producers will hate me, if I sell them product that does not work properly.

As much as I would like to fuck Ariana, I dont intend to become a porn star. Sometimes I think you guys are not aware of all those unconfortable positions and lighting porn actors have to endure. I am sure, Cal will find 21 good professionals to DAP Ariana silly.

Edited by - Shameless on 9/17/2003 2:36:16 AM

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Posted - Sep 18 2003 : 4:40AM

Maybe this was not clear enough: Of course we will pay the girls good $$$-fee for DAP (at least 5 average Ukrainian monthly incomes!) hoping that ALL of them will at least think about trying it.
But those who actually signed for it, after seeing pictures we show them (in case they should not know what act we talk about), we still want to test out ourselfs in order to prevent failure bookings.
As a producer you are never sure, I know, but I want a maximum low failure rate with our Agencies girls. I dont want West producers, maybe even my favorite Western porn directors, to travel all the way to Kiev and not get exactly what they want!

We will really care for our girls, but customer-care is higher priority!!!

Edited by - Shameless on 9/19/2003 3:05:20 AM

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Bob

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Posted - Sep 19 2003 : 9:59AM

shameless,

How did you come up with the thread title "East Girl Dumping Prices"? (In the U.S., "dumping" typically refers to (1) throwing out trash, or (2) breaking off a relationship with someone.)

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shameless
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Posted - Sep 19 2003 : 10:02AM

Yes, RonK, Alena is 110% natural. She has also no piercing and no tattoos (although I would not mind her getting them at all, but on the other hand market quite likes <natural> - so maybe we can ask a bit higher price for her...).
She orgasmed twice while we really trust into her pooper both and hard. She really does like it hard, indeed. She looks so delicate, one would not think she derrives so much pleasure from being submissiv.
She is the only girl we tested that orgasmed twice. I hope so much for her she can keep up all her lust on film set as well. But it will be more hard, I am sure.
But we will also promote her for gangbangs. This might be a bit easier. In end: I am very curious wheter Alena will be porn star like Rita Faltoyano in about 1 year from now. She sure has body and will to it, but maybe we as her promotors in West are not experienced enough... I hope she will find way soon to Budapest or USA directly.

Finally: Yes, she really cute...and fun to fuck!

Edited by - Shameless on 9/19/2003 10:06:02 AM

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