These are displays of good solid love making. Now you could dispute the fact that these clips are given the actual tag of IR, but you just cannot deny that these scenes are scorching HOT. This is what GOOD SEX is about and you can LEARN something by watching them.
Nah, I'm not into the Rocco's (Max Hardcore style) brutally violent and degrading abuse of his female co-stars, i.e. spitting, choking, slapping and flushing their heads down toilets. I just cannot class that as making for a better movie.
I think Justin Slayer's movies are better because he give the girls TOP QUALITY FUCKING without all that circus act stuff.
I think Rocco's stuff has become weak. Too much BS and the sex is blah. He needs to innovate
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Posted - Apr 18 2007 : 2:52PM
The only black male stars whose I really enjoy are Sean Michaels and Franco Roccaforte. I tire of other IR director's obsession with the fact that what they do is IR instead of focusing on good porn. Too much talk during scenes usually. I could go on and on.
You've forgotten to add Justin Slayer, Mr Marcus, Lex Steele, Rico Srong and Jack Napier to that list. Those Black pornstars give you good 'fuck movies' without the 'race' talking. Plus it's usually the WHITE IR directors who require their Black and White performers i.e. 'Spring Thomas' and 'Shane Diesel' to do that demeaning 'N word' race baiting crap.
I agree that over the top s*it has to go. I find some IR porn to be very good but that homeboy crap is nauseating. Two people having sex is erotic - hearing yo white bitch suck my black cock is not.
Interracial porn is sensible, in the sense that there's no valid reason to discriminate against someone because of 'race.' On the other hand, interracial porn is ridiculously overplayed because, in the end, it's all just two (or more) people fucking. If you find them attractive and they're good at it that should be enough.
PS - I know most guys don't want to think of the studs as attractive, but neither do they want them to be ugly and/or distracting.
Well, regarding the guys being ugly and distracting, you could put the blame squarely on most WHITE directors making IR movies. They continue to hire 'clowns' like Wesley Pipes and Shane Diesel paying them to play the old racist stereotype and use highly offensive race bait language while putting them in movie titles like (Daddy's Worst Nightmare) (My Daughters Fucking a N_gger) and all of Spring Thomas's movies where she abuses her Black male performers by calling them the N word.
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Posted - Apr 18 2007 : 9:55PM
I refuse to watch a scene if there is a black guy in it. No matter how beautiful the woman is.
I just don't find black guys attractive. At all.
And hence my porno selection isn't quite as big as other peoples: I require hot female & male. And these days, we know male performers are often homely.
Are you racist against Blackmen or are you 'fruity' guy, which one?
Anyway, I don't watch porn for the 'looks' of the male performers but for how 'good' he is paired up with his female counterpart and how HOT this female is. I find the Black guys in the list that I've mentioned earler in this thread i.e Mr Marcus, Lex Steele, Justin Slayer, Rico Strong, Jack Napier and Sean Michael CAN PERFORM and are NOT ugly.
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Posted - Apr 18 2007 : 10:06PM
Are you trying to tell us something here about your pref as well?
I don't know if this simple answer 'flew over your head' but I will gladly repost it and make it even simplier for you.
Anyway, I DON'T watch porn for the 'looks' of the male meatpuppets but for how good as a performer he is paired up with his FEMALE counterpart and how HOT this female is. I find the Black guys in the list that I've mentioned earler in this thread i.e Mr Marcus, Lex Steele, Justin Slayer, Rico Strong, Jack Napier and Sean Michaels CAN PERFORM with their females co-stars and are NOT ugly.
I sincerely hope you finally understand.
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Posted - Apr 18 2007 : 10:14PM
And I hope you understand my preferance as well. I demand performers who are attractive to me: Never a black guy. Any other race in men and women I find attractive. (Notice I did not care to mention how well they pair up).
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Racist? Are you sure what racist really means? Check out www.dictionary.com and learn the exact definition of the word.
I am not "racist" towards black men. I said I don't find them attractive. Simple, huh? I said nothing else about black men which would leave an educated person to call me "racist". -----------
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Holy crap. Did you just type this, or am I seeing things. Ye who defends Dodging as "personal choice", now states that discrimination based on race isn't valid...
Lex Steele or Rico Srong work lacking???? WHAT??? That is blasphemy right there. Are you sure you've acually watched a Lex Steele of Rico Strong scene???
So I take it you're a 'fruity' guy that gets a 'hard on' when the camera pans over to the man's butt when he's fucking the woman huh??
Funny that you REFUSE to watch porn showing a Black male performer with any chick, but by your other thread, you're heavily into BESTIALITY and endorse it to the extent that you wish other countries follow Holland's suit and make it legal to watch. hmmmmm??
This is the TYPICAL mindset of the 'anti-Black' White racist. You see, there are some deluded white racist IR dodger type porn sluts who wouldn't think twice about fucking farm animals and taking a gallon of HORSE and DOG SPERM down their nasty throat and up their nasty pussies but the thought of paid work to fuck a Black guy on camera disgusts them.
That's why I think White racists are most PATHETIC people walking this planet.
Personally, my view on this matter is, once you commit the disgusting act of BESTIALY, we don't want you touching us Black people as you're better off STAYING an IR dodger, plus your filthy squalid ass should be thrown in jail.
I was really looking for the instance you were refering to. However, I can say that there have been occasions where it hasn't been clear to me that 'IR dodging' is the reality, rather than the perception. For example, a preference not to work with an individual does not an IR dodger make.
If you want a more specific answer you're going to have to give me the thread in question.
Oh you wanted me to do actual work. Man, it's been months since you and I (along with 20 other people) got into this discussion. I do remember you being in the "personal preference" group though.
I agree wholeheartedly, and have said before, that some girls are mislabeled Dodgers. No doubt. Jeneve Jolle was one. Sure enough, when she started making her own stuff for her own site *BAM* IR. Now, she had actually done it before, but the guy was considered "too light" for it to count. I am right there with you in saying that that kind of standard is ridiculous.
But Jenna Jameson, Tera Patrick, Devon and others of their ilk have no excuse. I give Devon a pass only because she at least told the truth about her motivations and didn't use her bully pulpit to bash Black folks. If there is a way to be a "classy" Dodger, she's it. She said it's purely a financial decision, and I sympathize with that position. A porn star has a limited shelf life. The down side to that is, had she stayed independent not only would she have had a larger fan base, she would not have had to sign away the rights to her name. Independents also make more money, though they have to shoot many more scenes as a result.
I find good IR porn erotic as well. Not that lame ass homeboy shit.
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Posted - Apr 19 2007 : 11:21AM
Oh you wanted me to do actual work. Man, it's been months since you and I (along with 20 other people) got into this discussion. I do remember you being in the "personal preference" group though.
But Jenna Jameson, Tera Patrick, Devon and others of their ilk have no excuse. I give Devon a pass only because she at least told the truth about her motivations and didn't use her bully pulpit to bash Black folks. If there is a way to be a "classy" Dodger, she's it. She said it's purely a financial decision, and I sympathize with that position.
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What sort of financial decision? That she should make more money just to do a scene with a person of a different color? If so that's highly offensive and backwards thinking.
That she had a strategy for her career that she had preplanned years ahead of time that would see her staggering her career so she would do different types of scenes separated by years to maximize the amount of money she could make? Because as far as I'm concerned that's nonsense too.
And such reasoning if true, which it probably isn't, doesn't make her classy, it makes her a dodger who uses, what she considers to be, a clever justification for her own discrimination. Because most young people, yet alone most women in the industry, don't plan out their lives many years ahead of time, yet we're to believe that she preplanned her career to such a high degree? Very Unlikely.
And that some accept this worthless excuse is a testament to the willingness of some to believe anything a dodger says.
That's why I don't make homeboy shit as I cannot stand it and I hate when black guys act like thugs it's a disgrace. I love seeing them act like sexual animals that women cannot get enough of.
The "animal" imagery is just as degrading to Black folks, if not more so, than the "thug" imagery. As has been discussed earlier, I can do without the "monster" this and "gorilla" that taglines that dominate IR porn.
We're not animals, and most of us aren't thugs. Hell, most of the guys playing thugs are frauds anyway.
Jewel, I know you like Brotha's, and more power to ya. Please avoid referring to us a "animals". Thank you.
What sort of financial decision? That she should make more money just to do a scene with a person of a different color? If so that's highly offensive and backwards thinking.
That she had a strategy for her career that she had preplanned years ahead of time that would see her staggering her career so she would do different types of scenes separated by years to maximize the amount of money she could make? Because as far as I'm concerned that's nonsense too.
And such reasoning if true, which it probably isn't, doesn't make her classy, it makes her a dodger who uses, what she considers to be, a clever justification for her own discrimination. Because most young people, yet alone most women in the industry, don't plan out their lives many years ahead of time, yet we're to believe that she preplanned her career to such a high degree? Very Unlikely.
And that some accept this worthless excuse is a testament to the willingness of some to believe anything a dodger says.
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Ditto, and well said.
A dodger is a dodger in any form.
..And as Ramsey rightly said, all Black porn buyers should DODGE THE IR DODGERS.
I've been watching IR porn almost exclusively lately.Slayer,Shane Diesel,Boz,Rico Strong,and Jack Napier are making some of the best films with the best new girls.
NOPE Slonik, please don't get this TWISTED. It's not a case of Black guys being angry at them, its actually a case of the stupid racist offensive reasons these airhead white dumbass hoes give in interviews WHY they refuse to do PAID WORK, that's right, it's PAID WORK with Black male performers. Plus yet at the same token, they can't wait to take a DOG'S DICK up their stinking pussies and drink a gallon on DOG and HORSE sperm. WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT ALL ABOUT?? Just like the bestiality pervert poster 'Sensi' earlier on this thread, WHITE RACIST'S are fucking pathetic numbskulls. Anyway as I already pointed, once a porn slut commits the disgusting act of sleeping with animals, she better STAY an IR dodger. Any decent Black male performer should touch them with a barge pole.
Also Black people have the right to put up dodger lists naming these stupid dumbass hoes so we don't accidentally support them. If stupid racist porn sluts refuse to work with Black performers, then Black male porn buyers have every right NOT to support those stupid white racist skanks.
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Posted - Apr 21 2007 : 4:46PM
Using the thought process some in this tired and rehashed to death thread have used I guess any white male in the business that refuses to get fucked in the ass by a black male is also IR dodging.
Devon_3: You're taking things too personaly IMO. It's just porn for Christ's sakes.
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Posted - Apr 22 2007 : 1:19AM
That's quite an absurd leap in logic you have there.
The issue is white women who have "preferences" for not doing scenes with black males, but don't have a "preference" against doing asian or white males on camera. And given that it's pretty obvious what the reason is for their "preference."
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I'd like to stay but I've got a plane to catch. 3243 Posts 5/06
Posted - Apr 22 2007 : 1:50AM
Yes it is a preference and most of the time that is all it is. I have a preference for women with hair that goes down at least to the top of their shoulders. Doesn't mean I wouldn't hire a woman who does not meet that criteria for a job, sell a house or car to her, let her into a school or anything else it just means I don't want to fuck her. If a woman refuses to be in a movie because an Afro-American is directing, part of the crew, or otherwise on the set then the racist arguement has validity otherwise it sounds like a campaign for quotas.
"I'm sorry Miss fill in the blank but you have failed to meet your monthly allotment of Mandingo meat. You have two weeks to resolve this situation or you will be sent to a secret chamber in the San Fernando Valley where a capital r will be branded onto your forehead."
Now if you want to discuss the propaganda various companies, agents, and other industry insiders whisper into performers ears that is a different debate.
I don't buy the preference argument, this is not your personal life and that suggests that there is no acting involved and that porn is about people only shagging who they're attracted to and doing things they enjoy.
Yet when people talk they seem to admit to enduring acts that they don't particularly find pleasurable but fake it as part of their job and yeah it does seem racist that the one act that they find completely intolerable is merely doing the same thing they do day in day out with other males just this time they refuse to because he happens to be black.
There are not too many careers where you'd be able to completely reject a group of people because their skin is different. I guess porn is unique and it has to tolerate people's racism, prejudice or whatever you want to call it cause you can’t force people and I suppose it’s better to have them with their ‘preferences’ than not.
Still can’t really expect fans to be happy about it they're always moaning about something so why not this? Add to thaty it is highly insulting especially when you consider that you rarely if ever hear about minority performers refusing to work with whites ones. What does that suggest that they are all attracted to their white counterparts or just expected it to be part of their job.
I love it when the chicks get overwhelmed by the sexual energy of black guys. When he shoves that big hunk of pipe in and the girl's eyes roll back and her legs start to quiver and the juice runs down, that's what we like about IR porn!
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Posted - Apr 22 2007 : 4:09PM
Holy shit, not another one of these threads?
Hate to burst your bubble, but I believe that Richard Mann is the credited director of the Daddy's Worst Nightmare series. If you can find ANY directorial credit for the My Daughter's / Hot Wife is Fucking a Black Dude series, I'd love to know who it is. IAFD shows Zulu Royalle as the director for many of them, which could be an alias for anyone (white or black).
So please, like everything else you race baiters attempt to accomplish, stop blaming the hate on whitey. Christ, that gets extremely OLD.
There's a great email that gets passed around about racism in the US that I'm constantly reminded of when I read emails like this. It goes something along the lines of having groups like the NAACP, the Negro College Fund, Miss BLACK America, etc. Would it be OK with your permission to start Miss WHITE America, or the National Asso. for the Advancement of CAUCASIAN People, or what about the "WHITE people-only college fund? Are those terms amiable to you, Mr. Devon_3? Hmmm, I think the glove of racism is far more often on the hand of the accuser.
IR is a genre. Any genre that a performer feels is not in their best interest should be compensated as they see fit. If a girl doesn't do anal, but at the request of fans & directors demand it, she is equally entitled to SUPPLY it at a premium. Just "because she's a porner, she should do what she's told" works for you, that isn't how the industry works. Market thy rectum accordingly.
If she doesn't want to do black men, her entitlement remains the same. If I were a porner, and I didn't want to do IR, I'd make my rate so ridiculous & unrealistic that it would happen little or not at all. I'm sure they'll find something to blame the lack of IR on, but my agency page would clearly show that I'd be willing & able to do IR. The only beneficiary would be ME, because I had to compromise MY LIMITS to please you, the fan/director.
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Posted - Apr 22 2007 : 4:45PM
Damn right they are.
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Posted - Apr 22 2007 : 4:50PM
I dont mind African-European guys fuck white girls. Like Franco Roccaforte who is a solid performer. I think that most if not all African-American performers are too ghetto.
Please do your homework BEFORE you make ignorant sweeping statements about things would obviously know NOTHING ABOUT.
Have you heard of Black American performers like:- Mr Marcus, Lexington Steele, Justin Slayer, Rico Strong, Jack Napier and Sean Michaels???? NO? I thought not. There guys are top WELL KNOWN Black porn performers. Tell me where in the hell do you find "Ghetto" in any of their characters??.
Edited by - devon_3 on 4/23/2007 12:34:18 AM
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Posted - Apr 23 2007 : 12:37AM
I can only agree on Sean Michaels, Mr. Marcus and Lexington Steel.
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