As a French guy I can't understand the racists and "ethnic" terms to describe some porn scenes like "interracial", "latina", "ebony"..., but these unwealthy practises seemed to be very common in the United States. Races don't exist. In Europe (except maybe in the United Kingdom) this is banned. I am from France and in our Republic, "ethnic" categories don't exist. In North America it's the same in Quebec, where "race" isn't important at all. I also hate the fascination of certain member of this forum about "ethnic" porn. I don't watch stars because of their origins and ancestry. I am French and not focused on french or french canadian/québécois actresses. They are a lot of racist and communatarian attitudes on these forum which have to be denounced.
America is build upon the ideals of white supremacy, this is essentially why porn is the way it is the U.S.
Have a read of some books on the topic and you quickly will understand how America went from transporting slaves from the Bight of Biafra for economic purposes to BBC/race-play in porn. It might on the surface seem disparate, but by filling in your knowledge gaps, the grey areas will start to reveal just how intertwined these things are.
I would say it's because of the legacy of slavery and manifest destiny culture. Putting people in boxes based on preconceived ideas linked to their race made it easy to dehumanize or curtail their rights as people. It's hardly a secret that interracial relationships are still taboo to many in the US, based on racism, fear, prejudice and stereotypes. Porn is often guilty of playing stereotypes to make it more seedy and appealing and it's abundantly clear in interracial porn.No, just no. Races do exist. That denial is almost as insulting as being a racist because saying races don't exist helps nobody. It doesn't solve the racial inequality that happen in the real world. Acknowledging race doesn't make you racist, it's only when you create a hierarchy based on race where that label is applicable.Perhaps not in porn but I don't see how being from France makes you blind to racism. It wasn't so long ago that a French footballer was targeted by a French politician for "not being French enough" as the footballer is of Algerian descent...
Yea, what do you expect from a country that counted black folks as 3/4 of a person at the start of this nation? 100 years later, the Civil War was still fresh in the minds of those that were defeated, 100 years after that, black folks were finally being treated better.
My significant other and I each have French last names. She comes from a family known for being from "free people of color" and I am related to a white family that owned slaves on a small plantation. Today, the color thing means nothing to me and her but we are more "on-guard" when we leave our little urban paradise down the Mississippi River.
And as for the French, in the '80s and early '90s, I was lucky enough to spend many days with my friend, an elderly Parisian woman, a journalist and playwright, who lived in Place de Clichy. She had been part of the French Resistance in WWII and she also frowned upon our treatment of blacks. However, she would, on occasion, let racist comments slip, usually about all of the small grocery stores owned by Algerians, etc.
Racism is one of the most retarded aspects of mankind; looks like we will be stuck with it for awhile---tb
^^---No clue as to what "various other countries" you are talking about.
Porn and its consumption will vary from country to country and the posts above my other post and the OP's post covered the US in solid fashion. Kudos to Angry Pirate and Theo Young.
So many things contribute to the idiotic labels that the OP mentioned but the Jim Crow-era South gets my vote for inflicting the most harm and damage to this country's race relations.
And we are stuck with whatever has sprung forth from too much of that for too long a time.
The legacy of Jim Crow laws forcing segregation in the Southern States and that of laws that forbade interracial sex and/or marriage definitely had a hand in the emphasis on race in US porn. I'd say the US media plays a big role too in how it reports blue-collar crime - more often than not when the perpetrator is white, they individualize that person and say they were mentally unstable and but when that perpetrator is non-white, especially black, remarks are made (implicitly and explicitly) about the crime being representative of that whole race/community, reinforcing the stereotypes you see portrayed in porn. Of course, how blatant that portrayal of stereotypes is varies from studio to studio.
You have been quite well brainwashed. Just because your government refuses to recognize racial categories does not mean they don't exist. You stating, "this is banned" should give you a hint.
While I do agree to a large extent with the original poster, and subsequent posters - I would be curious how the OP reconciles what he has written here with also personally starting a thread topic "The hottest latina milfs pornstars?"
In an ideal world, I'd wouldn't want it to be a category either. I'd rather just see the racial aspect being treated as incidental to two or more people making whoopee. That just happens to be in the minority of cases.
^^ Oh yikes! To criticise US porn's emphasis and singling out of race, going on to deny race exists only have show to ask about favourite performer based on being of a certain race (i.e. emphasis on it) does come across as... conflicted. I don't know what nuance stops the opening post of this topic look hypocritical.
I also wonder how the OP reconciles his "it's banned here" claim with the many French-filmed porn scenes that throw around the word "beurette" to highlight that the female performers are of North African descent.
When you browse on "Jacquie et Michel", a very popular ( afaik) French porn site, you also find the categories black, beurette and even mixed races.
La grande nation is very well known for the resentments against "immigrants" of the former African colonies. Not to mention that Marie Le Pen from the former Front National got more votes than any other "established" party in the first round of the last presidential elections before she was finally beaten by Macron in the second round (with 1/3 of the votes).
I agree with this. Of course race exists. Our global society has made it more important than ever.
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You are right. Excuse me. Ethnic porn also exist in France. The same with xenophobic and racist ideas. I deplore it. I am not racist at all and I hate this fascination on ethnic porn. All human beings are equal. This "racial" categorization must be banned.
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Posted - May 25 2020 : 1:51AM
Xenophobic resentments of course exist among Front national voters, but this isn't the only reason of their vote. Protest vote against the system is one of the main reason of the vote for Marine Le Pen. Socioeconomic aspect are since a few years very important to understand the right wing populist vote in France and Europe. Working class people in former industrial areas like Nord-Pas-de-Calais or Lorraine are many belongs FN voters. Marine Le Pen is against immigration, but has spoken about socioeconomic themes during the campaign (like better retirement pensions). It's the same like other right wing populist parties in Europe like the flemish Vlaams Belang in Belgium or the AfD in Eastern Germany. Economic liberalism is not very popular in Europe, especially among working class and unemployed people. A great difference with the USA and North America (except maybe for Québec). It isn't true to say that immigration is the only reason for right wing populist vote in Europe. It is certainly the main reason, but not the only. Today protest vote against the system, euroscepticism and opposition to globalization also important for voters of FN/RN, Vlaams Belang, the Brexit Party, AfD...
Nothing to add here. Just wanted to mention how nice it is to see a civil discussion about race and racism that hasn't escalated into an antagonistic and unproductive argument for once.
How would that work? You may as well wrap a bandage around a gunshot wound. Far be it for porn to be true of real life but while I agree with your sentiment that all people are equal based on race, that's not how things work in the real world. As long there is a racial inequality, namely in terms of wealth and employment opportunity and as long as there are conflicts in race relations, porn will continue to categorize people and sexual activity based on their race.
I checked and I noticed that they translate the title of those blacked movie but not those with the word "Interracial" in them those are left with their original title in English , a trick to overcome the rule and this would allow the general label "interracial" in their index too
BTW up until very few years ago the word Interracial wasn't even used in European Porn , wasn't a thing in real life we don't use such word we don't have interracial couples , mixed would be the word , I'm French-Italian thing are pretty much the same in both Countries , though in Italy there isn't a word to accurately translate "beur" and "beurette" they're French words that describe those coming from Northen Africa, although it's not technically racial (a beurette could be either Black or Arabian) I've never used that word while in France ,I always found it too much a label , never liked it.
There's only one race , the Human one, those minor differences we call "races" aren't big enough to make real difference see a Newfoundland dog compared to a chihuahua both compared to great dane , those are races , big differences , enough to make a mating impossible among them , this is not the case among humans whatever ethnic group can mate and have siblings with any other on the planet , there are no physical obstacles with mating , even those out of average such as the little people can mate with the averaged ones
Try to make a Mastiff mate with a pinsher , they're both from the same species much like all humans but a male mastiff can't mate with a female pinsher or a female chihuahua more than Male Pinscher can mate with a female Great Dane
Those are races nothing to do with the very tiny differences seen within mankind , none of them would make a difference with the survival of the species on a reproductive level , those difference don't make races.
the very notion to call a race what actually was the adaptation of a human group to some local natural condition who proven hostile such as excessive cold, sun or altitude in order to better survive in such environment
I'd make an example the OP is European of whatever origin by his/her outrage about the very notion of Interracial I assume he/she is not Ab-Original , but this doesn't actually matter, anyone who lives in Europe can tell most of the times the origin of anyome he meets , A Greek doesn't look like a German who doesn't look like a Polish who doesn't look like a French and none of them looks like a Turkish I can add Swedish, Russians, Italians, Irish, British , Albanians, Croatians, Serbians and I can even add the Gypsies with their two main groups , after the creation of the EU in its early stages by its six original founders to the currently 27 members , we call ourselves Europeans even though each of us comes from a different ethnic and cultural group sometimes very different .Even the most nationalistic and racist against some other European groups call all Europeans as such and yet our ethnical differences are still there to be recognized.
We're roughly defined as "whites" but that's not enough accurate in the EU only we have 25 million immigrants from outside EU who don't hold any EU citizenship plus those who have one but we don't know how many because there's no Ethnic description in our IDs or files , either you can tell from the photo or you don't know.
Now Scholars call many of us as "Caucasian I found it bull The Caucasus wasn't even part of Europe until recently and is contained between Russia , Georgia , Armenia and some Asian Countries .
I still have the 1938 Larousse Encyclopedia that belonged to my French Grandfather since he was a kid it reports the Mont Blanc as the Highest Peak in Europe and Monte Etna as the Highest Volcano in Europe after that the Caucasus Range was added to Europe and Mount Elbrus peaked in both accounts
so now we're Caucasian , yeah , right, We're Europeans and I have a Roman vision over that Every souls who owns a European Citizenship is European as well Also I'd like to finish with Emperor Claudius Speech When he Introduces New Senators of Gaul Origin He cited a very brief history of Rome to that point and mentioned how Rome benefitted from many new citizens throughout its history including his own family A Citizen can reach whatever preminence he can get , nothing should stop him from getting what he deserve by his own merit, being a citizen he has that right.
Claudius was the first Emperor who wasn't born in Rome but he was a relative of Augustus after him many others followed who weren't even of Italian origin , Sptimius Severus was African , Adrian was Spanish, Diocletian was Croatian, Constantin came from Gaul, Elagabalus was Asian. in 210 AD Emperor Caracalla gave full Roman Citizenship to any free man who lived within the Empire
... A Greek doesn't look like a German who doesn't look like a Polish who doesn't look like a French and none of them looks like a Turkish I can add Swedish, Russians, Italians, Irish, British , Albanians, Croatians, Serbians and I can even add the Gypsies with their two main groups , after the creation of the EU in its early stages by its six original founders to the currently 27 members , we call ourselves Europeans even though each of us comes from a different ethnic and cultural group sometimes very different....
Well, that was probably true 1 or 2 generations before today. Even then it was easier to distinguish between people from northern, southern, western and eastern states of Europe but I assume you were not able to distinguish between let´s say Swedish and Danish. But today it is more mixed up, due to immagration. Look at the national soccer teams. In the German team today you found blacks and player with Turkish origin, same as France, Italy and Britain.
^ We're mixed-up a lot , that is true , I'm myself a mix my grandfather was French , my grandmother was Italian , I have a sister in law who is Swiss. I have a female friend who is married to a French of Senegalese origin , another friend of mine is married to a Black Cuban wife and another one has a Polish wife , I'm not married but I had two very serious relationships with a Canadian girl first then to an Australian one. I don't mention my neighbors or I'd need a few hours...
Still even with this most of us are identifiable, even the immigration isn't the same but very specific, each Country has most of their immigrants from their former colonies , A French Asian most likely comes from Viet-Nam who was a French Colony under the name of Indochina , Black African Immigrant come mostly from la Cote D'Ivoire or Senegal , the African Italians are very often of Somali or Erithrean descent , Turkish mostly went to Germany even though Turkey was nobody Colony , Indians and Pakistani went to Great Britain , Mozambican are in Portugal
So even them are easily recognized except for the Chinese who are everywhere with them you can't really tell
As for Danish and Swedish or Norwegian and Icelanders it's tricky but I noticed that the Danish are the taller among them and so those from Nederland compared to Germans , Finland is another story sligtly different from the other Nordic population , their language though is completely different , to recognize Norwegian from Swedish could prove difficult I find easier to separate a Chinese from a Japanese than those
Names help , a von is German a van is Dutch , a Peter-sen is likely Danish a Peter-son is likely Swedish while a Peder-sen is common in Norway , of course there are differences and many mix especially among Scandinavians plus South Africans can mix everything up , but still
anyway we're a sum of many ethnicities not a race we don't even look like the same no matter the mixing so far there's not such thing as a "white" race we're different
Out of Europe there are other people as white as us in Israel for Example or in Iran many Arabians can also pass as Southern Europeans
I mean on a porn level you see Manuel Ferrara and instantly think "French" despite is mixed Hispano-Italian stage name Mike Adriano looks more Spanish than Italian could be any of those but nothing else , I mean can Danny D be anything else other than English? Every single feature of his face literally howls England.
I don't know whether races exist or not, but it seems empirically true that there are general phenotypical classes. I think that is what people are actually referring to when they say "race".
In any case, I don't think it is racism to be sexually attracted to a particular one of those classes. It's just evolution spreading things around a bit to ensure the robustness of our species. The species that were not obsessed with interbreeding with diverse genes were probably all killed off by a single, unfortunate change to their environment, that they were all susceptible to.
That people would be attracted to people different from themselves makes perfect sense to me. I also think evolution programs in a safety precaution against the detrimental genetic consequences of incest by making one not attracted to siblings that may have similar physical chracteristics. This is 100% uninformed hypothesis, but it kinda makes sense.
There are many other phenotypical classes as you put it, say "blondes" Redhaired" Green eyed , grey eyed , blue eyed but nobody in his right mind would call those "races" this is particularly true in the case of red haired people they often share very similar features.
As it appears it's not a matter of , for example a South American of Spanish Origin whose ascendants were all of Spanish origin aren't considered the same as a true Spaniard from Spain.
Gisele Bundchen is a Brazilian former Supermodel whose origin is very clearly German and yet she's considered a "Latina" Same for another Supermodel Valeria Mazza from Argentina , blue eyed , blonde hair Italian descent still a Latina
So actual phenotypes from those two have nothing to do with their racial definition
On this forum I had to discuss with some black guys in total denial that the Black Brazilian or Cuban were actually Black they were "latino" they said, not black
Completely ridiculous apparently some black guys abducted from the very same village in Africa and very possibly family related between them all of a sudden change race depending on which side of the Gulf of Mexico they were sold having the one brother sold in Louisiana as a "Black" and his big Brother sold in Cuba a "Latino"
As for sexual attraction I don't think it's racist to be attracted or repulsed by some peculiar features , besides those are general features , a singled out Man or Woman could prove very attractive to much more
I'm usually very attracted by redheads but some don't like them which of us is racist?
I have a particular attraction for Japanese girls an women
There's a great number of black girls that i like in porn and even more in real life
But there are too many that I don't like in both accounts Asian or Africans ,many more than those I like , way too many actually.
So what should I say ,if asked if I like Black girls or Asian girls?
They don't especially because African themselves are of many ethnicities there are Arabians , Tutsi , Hutu even some of European descent , hell the whole Mankind originated from Africa , but I was talking about those who are Black and female and share some features that are peculiar to them chin, nose, lips that are too different from what I learned to like in my life. Beauty and attraction are acquired tastes that you get from what surrounds you and especially when you are forming your own sexuality and begin to notice different features some attract you some don't . When your tastes are fully formed you will begin to include all that is within your parameters and discard/don't take into account what is too far out of those parameters , exotic may be attractive but not too exotic
I like beyond sanity Ana Foxxx or Kira Noir among those active today I liked Midori , Heather Hunter and Meeka Johnson , I wouldn't turn my head for Pinky or Cherokee D'ass and the likes those were well over all my borders and beyond
As A coincidence I rewatched Star Trek VI yesterday there was shapeshifter portrayed by Iman , a Somali actress and model , hot beyond reason , overwhelmingly beautiful
Interracial porn and racism are sadly always connected with each other.
But the reason why this racism occurs is actually misogyny.
In porn it is all about the girl and to have power over the girl. The best example for that is the cumshot. Actually it is pretty disgusting to shoot your load into the face of another person. But why do we men love those money shots? Because it shows the power of a man over a pretty girl. A power many of us will never have and so we want to see how a man can put a girl down and even blast his load in her face, fuck every hole she has roughly or even make her drink his piss... It is all about male power over a girl.
This mindset (male power over women) also applies for interracial porn. And because of its ethnic background the misogyny leads into racism.
Interracial porn stressed this power even more. Because in this mindset even an "inferior person" (black = 3/4 person, criminal, slave whatever etc) is able to fuck this pretty white girl in all her holes and do things to her a normal guy will never be able to do in his life.
I do not support such a mindset at all and no human (especially not because of race) is inferior!!! However, the reason why interracial porn is so popular is a deeply rooted misogyny in our society. The racism in this context happens "by accident" because it is only one more way to show male (even "inferior males") power over women. The same kink applies for example for movies like oldje.
My thesis is, that the male viewer of porn feels inferior and enjoys watching it when other "inferior" males have sexual power over a pretty girl.
Just stop with that ignorant remark. All we men have in common is the identity of being male, maybe a little more but you absolutely do not speak for me in your blanket statement. I for one don't get the appeal of facials and I doubt I ever will so you are misrepresenting me in implying I relish in spaffing my load in a woman's face.
Wanting to have sex with someone unattainable because of physical, social or racial distinctions doesn't make someone a misogynist. Frankly, that link between racism and misogyny is really cheap.
I understand what you are saying, but how does your ''misogyny as the root of racism'' in porn explain race-play:- fetishism, objectification, and sexualization of the black male body, most specifically the penis? How does it explain cuckolding (female dominance over male), which plays a predominant role in IR porn?
My point was that people are attracted to phenotypes, not races.
But I think we're on the same page in that people confuse many things, when they just mean phenotype. The black guys you mentioned do it with culture. Gisele may be a caucasian ectomorph, but culturally, she is as latina as Pele. And people who describe a person's race as Jewish, which is really just another cultural factor.
^How long have you lived in Quebec because I've lived my entire life and while French Quebecers can be rabid when it comes to language. Not so sure that I would use the term most racist in Canada. Now that doesn't mean that there isn't room to improve because I would be the first one to say that we can do a lot better when it comes to how we treat Aboriginal but too often the language issue gets confused with racism when it isn't.
I'm wondering what the OP would suggest the terms should be to describe the content that falls under these undesirable terms. Shemale is an example of a term that has been replaced recently with more suitable terms, so it can be done. First though, it should be determined that the term is actually offensive to the people being described by these terms.
Posted - May 13 2020 : 5:38AM
