I'm creating this thread because members here keep using incorrect language to discuss transgender performers, and then the thread erupts into people putting in their about why they can't use the proper terminology. To start this thread out, I'm making a link to GLAAD Media Reference Guide - Transgender, which was created to help media covering transgender people, but is just as appropriate for people discussing transgender performers. Also, from here on out, when people use slurs when discussing transgender performers, they will be directed to this thread, so that the forum threads don't end up with endless back and forth of why people can't/won't/whatever use accepted terminology.
Thanks for posting this. The language around transgendered people has been evolving at a fast pace over the past few years. While there have always been insulting, derogatory terms used against transgendered people (and those remain insulting and derogatory) even some of the language that was acceptable just a few years ago is now in a grey area or no longer acceptable. I hope this new policy is quickly adopted by members here.
Apart from posting at ADT, I found the GLAAD article to be useful in navigating the language and better understanding some of the issues facing transgendered people. I highly recommend everyone read it.
Appears safe & simple to just use the word trans. That's what Bree Mills uses at transfixed.com. That's, at least, until the next term tweaking. The piece states we don't refer to babies as men or women. But, we do certainly refer to them as boys & girls. Thought the was some silly wordplay on their part.
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Pr0nLover Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 9 2021 : 1:09AM
I've discussed this before. While I will abide by the site's rules I disagree. What we discuss on here is personal kink. I don't want to be disrespectful to anyone but personal kink when it comes to porn should not have to be politically correct. Think about it, we watch and then talk about vids where guys take turns banging some girl up the ass, piss in her mouth and then all cum on her face. No one has a problem with that. In fact, we discuss and praise the scenes and performers in them. The producers of the vids give performers awards.
Yet, when it comes to one segment of this hardcore fantasy that we all love we have to walk on eggshells and use all of the "correct" terms. Why? It's a personal fantasy to say "I'd like to fuck a hot X" or ""I'd like that hot x to fuck me". Its not meant pejoratively. It's meant to enhance the fantasy. Would I use any of these terms towards anyone in real life? Of course not. I don't use any of the terms I might use on a site like this in real life. I don't talk about hot anal milfs or big black dicks or cum drinking sluts in real life either. I would never want to offend, much less hurt anyone. But when I'm on a site like this talking about my deepest, darkest fantasies I feel like I should be able to do so freely without watching what I say. And as long as I don't actually say something hateful towards a group (and there's a difference between hate and just using certain terms) it should be cool. It's the freedom we all come to a meeting place like this for.
I've spoken to at least one moderator about this in the past and have promised to obey the site's rules and not use certain terms. I don't intend to break that because I like chatting on here. I just think that we're going overboard worrying about this type of thing in this particular setting. Do we really think that people on this site are sensitive to that sort of thing? I doubt it. It probably gets them hot. Porn is the last bastion where we can let it all hang out without worry of being judged, or God forbid cancelled, by the sensibilities of the outside world. Let's not become too sensitive about these things. We shouldn't be subjected to the rules of the outside "real" world where we need to watch what we say lest we hurt someone. I doubt that anyone on here cares or else they wouldn't be on here.
You can disagree all you want. For as long as I've been here Adult DVD Talk has been a friendly community. We don't allow slurs here, the fact we don't allow slurs toward transgender performers shouldn't surprise you one bit. The changes that have been made have been based on suggestions from the trans community who have reached out to me. The trans community sets what they consider to be slurring, and strangely it doesn't get them hot to get called slurs. The same goes if you tried to call a black performer the n-word. We aren't going to allow members here that belong to the trans community to feel slurred and unwelcome so you can get off by calling them hurtful names.
We have no control over title names as we obviously don't create them.
Edited by - Flash on 10/9/2021 6:05:32 PM
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Pr0nLover Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 15 2021 : 10:09PM
Well, like I said, I'm not looking to hurt anyone or to break the rules. Like Hoochimama pointed out these terms are still being used. Is it the transgender community on this particular site offended by these terms? If they are really that sensitive why are they on a site like this?
Just pointing those things out. Not looking for an excuse to use derogatory terms toward anyone. I feel that disagreeing and pointing out the reasons for one's disagreement is ok. Please don't portray me as a bad guy because of it. To society at large I bet almost everything we talk about on here is considered offensive. At the end of the day, once the consensus has been reached I'll abide by it even if I do disagree. I guess I'm like a Supreme Court Justice writing a dissenting opinion.
I kind of understand your pov. But it´s as Flash explained.
The ones who feel insulted are the ones to keep in mind when using the word that might turns you on. You can use it at home or with friends in private life if it turns you on, but not in a public forum.
You know, people often say shit like "Political issues don't belong in sports/the military/schools" on the basis that on the surface those things don't appear to have anything to do with whatever political issue. In truth, those issues manifest themselves in those contexts because certain issues permeate EVERYTHING. They don't take a break for others' convenience and comfort, and when that convenience and comfort means ignoring legit harm done to others, fuck their convenience and comfort anyway.
Not sure about y'all, but sports and leading point in 'Nam are equally unrelated on the surface but equally as intense as jerking off. (If you've never jerked off, you wouldn't understand what it was like over there, man...)
Why wouldn't we interrupt this jerk-off session to point out something fucked-up thing about porn?
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Pr0nLover Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 22 2021 : 10:21PM
What is the actual definition of transgender? I was recently watching a scene from TSPussyHunters. The trans woman was beautiful, with great tits and long shapely legs. But she also had a big dick! Lol! Is she truly transgender if she a) has a dick, b) is fucking women? Does gender reassignment surgery have anything to do with it?
^ Transgender (or gender in general) is not about who you fuck. That's sexuality.
Transgender is about being and living as a different gender than the one which you were assigned at birth.
So in your example, that person likely lives life as a woman, and in fact has had some surgery to enhance that appearance (and maybe some hormone therapy too), but was probably declared male at birth, due to possessing a penis.
So this person would be what is usually referred to as a trans woman.
Some trans women have already had their penises removed surgically, and some have not. And some choose to never remove them. But they're all trans women.
It is possible to be a trans woman without any of the surgeries though. You can choose to use the pronouns she/her, choose a feminine-sounding name or gender-neutral name, before getting any surgeries. You may have an opportunity to get the surgeries and/or hormones later, or you may not. But declaring yourself to be a woman is not contingent on which medical procedures you have had access to.
There are people who do not wish to refer to themselves as a woman until they have had at least some surgeries or hormones, etc. That's ok too.
The key to all of this is that it's not the outward appearance you should use to judge whether you refer to someone as a man or a woman, or use he vs she, etc. It's their own preference that should guide the language you use. Of course if you don't know someone's preference, you might say the wrong thing. That happens. But what you should do, is that if someone corrects you, then from that point forward, do your best to honour their wishes and use the terms they have asked you to use.
edit: fixed a bad typo and fixed the wording in one sentence.
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Pr0nLover Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 23 2021 : 1:00AM
Just trying to educate myself. So is RuPaul a transsexual woman? I always thought he/she was a transvestite/crossdresser (I don't know which term is acceptable). And do we call someone like RuPaul he/she/they?
Yeah I understand. No worries. This is how we learn, right?The term transvestite has mostly been replaced by cross-dresser. It's someone who chooses to wear clothing typically designed for a different gender than the one they live as.
This is not the same as transgender, which is someone who considers themselves to be a different gender than the one they were assigned at birth.
RuPaul is a drag queen, which is also a bit of a different thing. RuPaul lives life as a man, and in day to day life dresses as you might expect a man to dress, but performs as a woman (sometimes). RuPaul's sex is male, and gender is male. He uses he/him as pronouns. But sometimes he chooses to dress as a drag queen and perform singing, dancing, and acting in costume as a woman.
I'm not an expert at any of this stuff, just sharing what I know; but I will say that I know even less about drag queens than I know about the concept of transgender, so I'll stop there.
edit: cleaned up the middle section
Edited by - killbillvol69 on 12/23/2021 10:50:41 AM
^ With drag queens and crossdressers, my understanding is that they are to be referred to in feminine pronouns whilst in drag, but in male pronouns when not in drag.
You also have to be very sure that they are a drag queen or crossdresser, as using those terms about a trans woman can be highly offensive.
That is the purpose of this thread, so people can ask questions and learn.
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Aaron Aardvark Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 4 2022 : 7:49AM
I hadn't read that guide before. Most of it makes sense and is reasonable but it does feature a couple of horrible bits of reasoning to justify their preferences. Firstly, they recommend "assigned male at birth" over "biologically male" but they refer to different things. Indeed, part of the reason that "assigned at birth" even exists as a term is because some DSD's (5 alpha reductase deficiency as an example) lead doctors to erroneously assign the wrong sex to the baby. Secondly, they prefer transgender over transgendered because, in their example, you wouldn't say "gayed". That is the most ludicrous piece of reasoning I have ever heard. By that token I should say " I am middle age", not middle aged and "I am white skin", not white skinned. You WOULD say "human beings are gendered" and "I am gendered" NOT "human beings are gender" and "I am gender", hence I always always say "I am cis gendered" as this is an extension of "I am gendered". The reason homosexuality is different is because grammatically it is always treated differently: human beings are sexual, not sexualed, so you would be hetero or homosexual and not hetero or homosexualed. "I am heterosexual" is an extension of "I am sexual", which is something you would say, "I am sexualed" is something you wouldn't say.
^ "hetero/homosexual" is a state of being. "Gendered" is an act being done someone by society. So, transgender is the correct word, not "transgendered," unless you are describing an act being done to someone rather than their state of being. (The "age/aged" example is a curious one though, and too much for my 7am brain to untangle haha. Grammar is not my greatest strength).
As for assigned male/female at birth, regardless of the original intention, that is used to distinguish between someone's sex/gender and the binary label assigned at birth. People use that term rather than "biological sex" to indicate that sex (and, in turn, corresponding gender) is assigned by humans--as in, it is a social construct--not a natural or permanent state of being. Lots of people are born outside of that binary and nevertheless are assigned one of the two sexes.
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Aaron Aardvark Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 4 2022 : 8:40AM
So you personally would say "I am gender" or "human beings are gender" not "I am gendered" and "human beings are gendered"...... I propose you would not. "I am gendered, specifically I am cisgendered" is surely right and "I am gendered, specifically I am cisgender" would therefore obviously be not. It also isn't just middle-aged, most characteristics are the same (short haired, cross eyed, introverted, short tempered, mild mannered etc etc) PS: I have no issue with anyone using transgender in this context if they prefer it but I do object to people criticising those who prefer transgendered and cisgendered (you can probably guess I have been "corrected" on this a few times online, hence my beef)
As to the other point, I feel you are referring to accidental properties associated with biological sex. Biological sex itself is really is defined solely be essential properties (gonads and gametes) with everything else following after the fact (ie breasts are a female characteristic only insofar as breasts align with ovaries and ova producers).. Intersex conditions can follow a spectrum regarding accidental properties associated with biological sex (body hair, external/visible genitalia, even chromosomes), I agree, but almost every intersex condition is defined as "a condition which affects males" or "a condition which affects females" because the essential properties of sex are about as close to a binary as we know of on nature.
Your beef entirely exists on the belief that a marginalized group is wrong in how they refer to themselves and that you, not a member of that group, are right in how you refer to them and don't like being corrected. Just say it properly. You clearly know the proper way to say it, but you have to be obtuse and purposely say it wrong to make yourself happy.
I'm going to start saying things like I am Americaned. Based on your argument, that is correct since it is an identity.
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Aaron Aardvark Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 4 2022 : 5:46PM
I don't mind being corrected but not for spurious reasoning. If the response was "I am transgender isn't grammatically consistent but we don't like it anyway" then that would be a million miles away from grammatical arguments that don't relate to how we use the term gender.
I would really just like you to explain your "gotcha" response of Americaned though. I proposed "I am cisgendered" would be the correct way to refer to myself as it is just a more specific case of "I am gendered", which is true and grammatically correct. Are you suggesting it would be wrong to say "I am gendered" or "human beings are gendered"? Would you REALLY say "human beings are gender"? "But Aaron, you are gender, like everyone else!". You know you wouldn't; I know you wouldn't. So, to your example, maybe you accidentally deleted a few lines on posting but I couldn't see where you gave the equivalents. I mean, sure, if we said "I am ricaned" specifically "I am americaned" then fine, but afaik no-one ever says "I am ricaned" OR "I am rican" because both are meaningless gibberish, so I don't understand your point. Bear in mind, I never suggested we put "ed" always in these circumstances, all I suggested is that we DO for gender (I am gendered/ human beings are gendered etc) so how is it grammatically wrong for me to call myself cisgendered? Your defensiveness isn't an argument. I never said they were wrong for how they refer to themselves. People cN label themselves whatever they wish for all I care. My point was about the exact opposite: people telling others how they should refer to themselves or others (including telling me I am wrong to refer to myself as cisgendered).
On the one hand, we should avoid using slurs and should treat performers with respect.
On the other hand, we are talking about porn, and we frequently use words like "tits", "cock", and "pussy" which would be taboo in other contexts.
There is a particular kink involving people who have tits and a cock. According to the GLAAD Media Guide, the word "Transgender" is "An umbrella term for people whose gender identity differs from the sex they were assigned at birth." There isn't a word or short phrase that I know of that describes the particular kink and wouldn't be considered a slur by many in the transgender community.
In the context of porn, the word "Transgender" may suffice to identify the particular kink. But it might exclude transgender men and transgender women who aren't taking hormones (or haven't had a boob job) or who have had sexual reassignment surgery.
In this context, I don't particularly care what the GLAAD Media Reference Guide says. I'd be much more interested in hearing what transgender performers might say.
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Pr0nLover Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 4 2022 : 10:51PM
This is exactly what I was talking about a while back. One of the mods became angry with me because I was using the T word which ends in Y and the S word with ends in male (I said I wouldn't use those words anymore and I'm keeping my promise). I tried to explain that I would never use those words toward someone in "real life", but when it comes to porn it's about what turns people on. I imagine that a great deal of the things that are portrayed in the vids and things that we say would be offensive to many categories of people, not just [MOD: word removed, you know better by now so this is clearly on purpose.]. We let it go because this is not a forum for politeness or political correctness, but rather a forum to talk about the darker side of our sexual fantasies. This should be a place where we let it all hang out and no one should be offended. And if you are, I can't imagine why you're here. No one bought that argument, however.
There is a difference between calling people swear words, and calling trans people the t and s words. Just like the n word for black people, f word for gay people and the y word for Jewish people, they have been used by people to belittle and bully an entire group of people. Sure, calling someone a cunt can be highly offensive to that person, but not an entire group of people at the same time as well. And when these are groups of people that have been badly treated by governments and societies via not being treated or viewed as equal for ages and not punishing those that have harmed them, then such slurs carry such weight.
I consider these forums as if I was actually conversing with people, and I would not be comfortable with such words being used. Just because it is about porn and some of the films and videos may contain such slurs doesn't give us a hall pass to do so ourselves. The best thing about the English language is the huge number of words that mean the same or similar things. Since there are alternative words that don't cause great offence then why should the offensive words be tolerated? If someone told me that a word I used was offensive to an entire community, I would immediately stop using that word in general conversation or on a forum. Is it really that hard of an ask?
I was contacted by some trangender performers back when I wrote several reviews saying my reviews had hurtful language, which hadn't been my intention at all. I talked with them to learn appropriate wording to not use hurtful language and edited the reviews. I suspect you'll find some trangender performers who would be okay with it, but that doesn't matter because they all don't find it okay. In addition, the forums are supposed to be welcoming. A transgender member who finds slurs against them won't find the forum welcoming, just like a black member wouldn't find slurs welcoming.We all know your feelings. You are beating a dead horse. We all know by now you don't care who you offend as long as you get off. And even now, you use potentially offensive words in what you type, which at this point has to be considered on purpose. You don't need to respond with a claim that it isn't or another wild sobbing but I get off calling transgender performers slurs. If you got your way, the forums would be filled with slurs from people who get off on calling performers those slurs (a partial list can be seen in Feet N Ass' post) and please don't try to justify why that would be okay, I don't want to know if you are okay with calling black performers the n word, or the inverse why you think that calling transgender performers slurs is a different kind of okay. In far shorter words, time to drop it.
Feet N Ass, exactly.
A bit of a note here, this thread isn't to argue why one should be allowed be allowed to use slurs against transgender performers, it is so people who are unclear on what is okay and what isn't to have actual discussions.
That more or less settles the question for me. In particular, I had forgotten about the need to be welcoming to transgender porn fans.
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Aaron Aardvark Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 5 2022 : 11:54AM
@Jacques I think we largely agree
@Flash I was a bit disappointed you didn't address CummingLinguist's other point which seemed to highlight just the sort of issue one would expect a moderator to give some insight into. So what term would be acceptable on ADT to differentiate an interest in trans woman who have not had gender reassignment surgery insofar as vaginaplasty but may have had breast augmentation? That seems such a common thing in porn that "trans", as a category, seems to disproportionately involve this category of transgendered individuals insofar as I could not name a performer who has had full gender reassignment surgery but have seen innumerable ones who fall into the category so described. This isn't a fringe thing we are discussing in terms of trans performers but the norm. So without using terminology that this style guide deems inappropriate what term should one use to describe this very very common form of trans inclusive pornography and performer? It also makes me consider non-binary folk. Some non-binary people identify themselves as trans and others prefer not to. In everyday life none of this really has much impact insofar as our interactions with such people do not necessitate a knowledge or interest of what lies between their legs. However, identifying as non-binary is a growing trend and I should assuredly like to be able to differentiate a non-binary Liya Silver taking a hard anal pounding from a non-binary Mick Blue taking the same! How one can do that without referencing an individuals biological sex is not really clear to me and yet an unthinking application of this lobby group's guide, which I am sure was not written with the somewhat specific needs of the porn industry and consumers in mind, would make that very difficult. Maybe "fem-oriented enbies" versus "masc oriented enbies" or something? Clearly we all agree (or most of us) on being against obvious slurs. Actually, I don't even mind a certain element of what is sometimes called compelled speech (telling you words you must use, not just those you must not) but the issue is when that compelled speech starts eroding what you are able to describe and an element of that seems to be involved here, on reading the guide and considering this context.
My best suggestion for you is to follow the guidelines on the performer's Twitter. Many trans, non-binary, etc performers will have their preferred pronouns, which tells you how to refer to them. He, she, them, etc. Generally speaking, a trans woman will have a feminine name and a trans male will have a masculine name. It is extremely offensive to go by a trans performer's genitalia. And don't start creating your own terminology unless that us specifically how you want to be identified as, not anyone else.
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Aaron Aardvark Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 5 2022 : 12:45PM
Oh I agree 100% regarding individuals but what I really meant for general discussion rather than discussion of Individuals. Clearly there are times in porn where we have to use terms for categories, such as "lesbian" for a scene involving two women who interact sexually but who may or may not identify as lesbians, or "big dick" for performers with penises that are unusually lengthy and/or girthy So what would you prefer for people to identify the category of porn that involves trans women but only those who still have the unreconstructed genitalia they were born with (ie their penis)? Or are you saying, in your view, it is extremely offensive for people to even GENERALLY have a preference for trans people by their genitalia and so you should not express a preference?
Edited by - Aaron Aardvark on 1/5/2022 12:47:11 PM
No I would say I am a woman. Or, I am feminine. Never womaned, feminined, etc. But I would say I am gendered feminine, gendered woman, or gendered cisgender.
What I'm saying is in their view it is extremely offensive to identify a transgender person by their genitalia. Period.
For instance, Elizabeth Purchell recently came out as trans. She didn't change her name originally but requested people use she/her pronouns. At that point, she was a trans woman or transgender. Whether she had her birth genitalia doesn't enter into how you refer or describe her. She has now dropped her deadname and goes by Elizabeth. She is still a trans woman or transgender. Whether she has her birth genitalia doesn't enter into how you refer or describe her.
Buck Angel is a trans man or transgender. Again, whether he has his birth genitalia doesn't enter into how you refer or describe him.
@Aaron Aardvark: You're asking what term should be used for trans women that still have a penis? Trans woman. And when/if she has surgery and has a vagina? Still trans woman. The same can be applied to trans men, regardless of whether they still have a vagina. Though Flash's point that the individual can also choose what words are correct to use to reference them is correct and should be respected. If they identify as trans then that is the term that should be used, regardless of what genitalia they happen to possess.
As to why so many trans women in porn are pre-op and not post: That's what the people (mostly men) who watch mainly trans porn want to see: beautiful women who have a penis. The ironic thing is that the body part that many of them hate and/or wish they weren't born with is their most marketable feature career wise. Those that do become post-op (like Kimber James) find themselves only working for their own website because there are limited trans websites that feature post-op trans women (Grooby has one and there are a few based in Asia but it is a small percentage) and the sites like Brazzers, Team Skeet, Bang Bros etc. still aren't interested in hiring them. So those that do want a vagina tend to have their career, retire and then get the surgery. Whilst there have been some encouraging signs in recent years (trans scenes on Brazzers, Dante Colle transitioning from bi and trans to also straight scenes) there is still a long way to go.
Always feet n ass. In that order.
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Aaron Aardvark Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 5 2022 : 1:10PM
Fair enough but then you would be saying something else. Saying "I am gendered" is admitting that gender is a trait you possess, a bit like saying "I am flawed" or "I am flesh and bones" etc. Saying "I am a woman" is giving the specific gender identity you identify as. It is the difference between saying "I am a citizen" and "I am French".
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Aaron Aardvark Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 5 2022 : 2:14PM
Thank you for the responses.
I think I should offer you all an apology because it is crystal clear from your responses that I must have been repeatedly dreadfully unclear in what I am asking here.
I would like to try again.
I know a lot of posters here have watched porn for a long time. This is not something any of us are naive over I recall the name Gore Gore Girl cropping up many times in my last few years of my (mainly) lurking. Moreover, I recall, I hope correctly, that Flash was a moderate even back as far as 2003 when I used to post regularly under the username "Sir Noel Plum". So let me be clear: for all that time, until relatively recently, I think we could all identify a significant difference between regular "straight" scenes and regular "lesbian" scenes. Whilst some of those differences pertain to gender roles and expectations, bodymass differentials etc perhaps the biggest difference is that straight scenes featured a penis and a vagina and lesbian scenes did not feature a penis or penises, only vaginas. I think it is fair to say this is not an inconsequential fact; something we could skim over as incidental to a scene in the way bushy eyebrows or a Welsh accent may be. It isn't the kind of difference you could watch porn for several decades and not fail to register. Things have changed. Cool. They are more inclusive. Cool We need to adapt our language to not insult. Cool. However, I surely cannot be the only one to see that a lesbian scene involving two individuals with pussies sets up manifestly different expectations from a lesbian scene where one or both of the performers have penises. So, to cut to the chase, if I wanted to watch lesbian scenes where women (cis or trans) are fucked in the ass by another woman (with a cock, not a strap-on), which does not on it's face seem an obviously objectionable preference, do none of you see an issue with having no way of expressing this (or for producers marketing or flagging this content for what it is)? Instead what? Skirt round the desire and keep my fingers crossed that the porn I bought features trans girls with penises because it would be impolite to specify the "tiny little detail" of whether the scenes feature trans performers with penises or vaginas? Meanwhile, back in the real world, you can specify your straight performers have "huge cocks", "average cocks", "uncut cocks", "cut cocks", "black monster cocks" and god alone knows what else but for trans inclusive porn we cannot even identify if they have a cock AT ALL? Are we going to have to all pretend penises versus vaginas make no difference to pornography or sex? Come on.
I really don't think this is an unreasonable thing to clarify or discuss. Penises and vaginas are very very relevant to porn and whether the porn you watch has them qualitatively impacts upon the nature of it and I DO think we ought to consider reasonable and acceptable ways in which we can label and differentiate such things and, as a group, the relevant performer's. I mean ffs, we are more than happy to categorise women in porn based on the size of their tits, whether they are enhanced or not, the nipple size, their hair colour, skin colour, height, apparent age, build, amount of public hair and a hundred other things...... but whether they have a cock or a pussy....... "er, well why would you possibly want to know that personal detail...... are you a bigot?" seems to be the implication.
Tell me I am right, tell me I am wrong, I just hope that at least now you can tell me you understand the point I am getting at.
^ Such lesbian scenes would usually have the word trans involved in the title, scene tags or scene description. Perhaps trans lesbian tags could be created if such scenes became regular. I don't think we're saying that you can't mention whether a performer has a penis, but that it shouldn't be the main focus or criteria for defining their gender identity.
It isn't that you have been unclear, it is there is currently no respectful way to discuss that. Might that change in the future, who knows. Is it okay for cisgender people to make up language to do it, no. For now you'll have to rely on screenshots and boxcovers to form your final decision on such things.
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Aaron Aardvark Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 5 2022 : 2:57PM
Ofc I understand the scene may have a trans tag or trans in the title but that gives me no indication whatsoever as to whether they have a penis
^ Most scenes will have previews or pictures so it will be very apparent in seconds if there is a penis involved or not. You're making a mountain of a molehill.
That is correct. The language the trans community has selected purposely avoids genitalia since that is not an identifier of their gender identity.
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Aaron Aardvark Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 5 2022 : 3:02PM
ok, well I may find the answer both absurd and disappointing in equal measure but it is an answer, at least. Maybe in the future we will advance even further and stop discerning any physical characteristics for performers (after all, in almost every case we would not do so outside of porn, I certainly would not expect anyone to specify "big-titted" as a requirement for their workplace colleagues without it being seen as wholly inappropriate lol!)
^^ The word trans might not give you a clue, but I've found in the scene description sometimes they mention the genitalia. And, if trans is used and she looks feminine, there is a strong chance that she will have a penis as that is what the vast majority of trans women performers have, as you yourself pointed out in a previous post. You could also do an image search of the performers involved and find out that way.
^ Yes, I've found that MILF and teen are meaningless in porn.
Posted - Oct 4 2021 : 5:20PM
about why they can't use the proper terminology. 
Posted - Oct 5 2021 : 7:30AM
