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kobbie2Hottie
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Posted - Nov 19 2014 : 2:28AM
Adult performer Clover was sentenced to 120 days in jail, 3 years probation, and one year of Domestic Violence classes in Los Angeles Superior Court’s Van Nuys division Monday, before being handcuffed and taken into custody.
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His Victim - Make up Artist Jenn Marie
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Link to the full story - http://therealpornwikileaks.com/clover-sentenced-120-days-spousal-battery/
That guy clover cant work in porn , the guy works with women everyday and he did that kind of thing to his girlfriend !!! We just experienced the christy smack horror !! We cant accept this kind of people in porn industry !! whether or not u have constant disputes with her , things arent going well , u dont beat your girl !! even though shes making your life a living hell !! U split and deal with it !!
Moreover clover has a history of abuse towards women in the past , he has done a lot of ugly things in the past , read !!!
I would like to add this - Clover was accompanied to court by his current girlfriend, adult film newcomer Morgan Lee, and two friends: performer Jessy Jones, and production “gopher” Wreck-It Russian (whom Clover describes as his “bitch boy”).
Jessy jones is a complete douchebag !! He has dated 3 hot women before from the porn industry namely kendall karson , rylinn rae and lately destiny dixon . All three have ended in a nasty break up !!
jessy jones and clover are great friends , they support each other , so it wouldnt surprise me if they share the same values about women !!
jones thinks hes a mobster lol tough guy lol read his tweets , he mentioned he has a No LIST , which he called a Book now because he has too many bitches he cant work with !! And many girls refuse to work him because of his macho attitude !!
jessy jones twitter row with michael vegas - https://twitter.com/ItsMichaelVegas/status/477596278939852801
MisterRage
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Posted - Nov 19 2014 : 8:13AM
What a bitch.
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Posted - Nov 19 2014 : 9:01AM
While I certainly do not condone any kind of violence toward women I'm amazed that only one of those with a criminal file is actually attacked here , there's a porn performer who is facing a trial for having lured naive 18 yo girls into a fake work of modeling and then forced them into prostitution.

Edited by - LCF on 11/19/2014 9:03:02 AM

whatsatelephonebill
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Posted - Nov 19 2014 : 9:27AM
^
But, you know, she had a really nice butt.
I totally agree with you, by the way.
kobbie2Hottie
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Posted - Nov 19 2014 : 9:50AM
Pornstar Morgan Lee ended up in the hospital following Clover’s birthday party last month, and later gave conflicting statements as to what happened. One story was that her injuries were the result of a car accident, the other was that she was injured jumping over a fence. Shes the current girlfriend of clover !!
And many women victims from domestic violence will tell you the same thing . For various reasons they try to leave their partners but still cant leave , go away !! There have been testimonials about this !!
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AvyRox
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Posted - Nov 19 2014 : 9:56AM
The guy is a total douche bag. His beatings aren't limited to women. He once tried to drown his dog. He obviously needs to pick on people and animals that he thinks he has a chance against because he would probably get his butt beat by a man.
kobbie2Hottie
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Posted - Nov 19 2014 : 11:57AM
Clover is Sicked and a Maniac !! He tried to murder his own dog by drowning it , just because it soiled his carpet !! Typical behavior from a maniac !! A poor defenseless dog !!
These kind of sicked ppl like clover , we all know they dont show their true faces among the public !! They always say they dont need help until we see a tragedy happened !!
Guys like clover are macho men who thinks woman are properties that they own !! They can turn on / off the button whenever they want !!
So how could people like keiran lee work with clover , i dont know if keiran lee personally directs him for brazzers !! beacuse clover did 2 scenes with 2 hot british girls leigh darby and elicia solis !! I assume keiran lee has booked these girls for his scenes and he has chosen clover knowing the fact clover behavior , what he did to his girlfriend !!
Dont tell keiran lee is not aware of all these gossips !!
To add insult to injury i quote from clover for his defense - " the fact is I have taken the steps needed to help deal with the high stress levels associated with the adult industry," So stress , what stress , ?? u bang hot chicks everyday , eat good food , has a hot girlfriend !!
Stress lol - tell that crap to these soldiers fighting in irak and afganistan !!! Clover douche bag !!
Clover has an agent ATMLA that has him under contract exclusively. He is booked 20 times a month every month and probably closer to 25. So he doesn't ever have to pick up the phone and text or call trying to hustle up work...it literally just comes to him. ATMLA tells him who what when & where he is working. He is making probably close to or more than 10,000 every month.
Also, as one of the new crop of in demand male performers, he gets to work with the top girls in the industry every day. Its not like he is working with B and C level girls, he gets A girls almost every time.
The companies pay ATMLA, so he doesn't have to call and figure out what checks he has or is missing, they do that for him . Are u kidding me , stress ?? he has nothing to do !! Basically he has no fucking stress at all except for the stress he puts on himself
How could u , ppl tolerate someone like clover who have sex with women everyday then returns home to beat his own woman !!!!! This is just unacceptable !!
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I would like to know more about this.
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Posted - Nov 19 2014 : 3:55PM
He has done wrong nobody will deny this and he does deserve to be punished but the problem is nobody knows the actual facts, and facts on the internet are sometime distorted or exaggerated. In that link above that was posted, Jenn Marie published a long statement claiming Clover has sexually abused, raped, punched and beaten her for years or threatened to kill her etc and that she was too scared to leave him. I find this hard to believe all that has been going on for years considering she updates her twitter page almost daily with hundreds of photographs of her at events and parties (and with clover) and photographs going back months and months, there is no a visible scratch on her back then and she looks entirely happy, in fact all her old tweets were entirely positive about Clover. It is a bad thing that Clover has done, but people will exaggerate. I do not believe Clover is a killer. I have heard only positive things about him from all the women he has worked with and his buddies like Danny D or Jessy Jones on twitter.
Clover is one of my favourite performers, check out one of his latest scenes on Brazzers with Danny D and Lesley Zen, this dude has got one of the biggest dicks in the industry and he is far unappreciated, and it really sucks now that he won't be making any new movies for a while.
kobbie2Hottie
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Posted - Nov 19 2014 : 4:44PM
U know what , when shit occurs , real shit , then u know the true identity of your man or woman who u have trusted , loved and cherished for years !!!
Lol do u think clover will act like a maniac when hes in public where the whole world can see his true face , on set , towards directors , girls , seriously !! hes not an idiot !! he will lose his dream job !!
guys like clover wear masks , 2 faces , manipulator !! buddies will always defend their buddies !! have u looked at jessy jones tweets !! they really come from a loser !! He tweeted
he has now a book full of no list girls !! what he means is girls who refuse to work with him !! Danny d what does he know about clover lol nada does he know all these things ?? he just come to fuck the chicks then bye bye heads back to uk !!
jessy jones previously dated kendall karson and rylynn rae !! now hes with destiny dixon !!
clover try to kill his dog ppl !! when a guy like him is in a full rage , 6 ft 4 guy , do u think he will think twice before doing what is good or bad to the person in front of him ?? U dont know what is happening behind closed doors !!
Like i say even if u have a crazy woman u dont beat her for any reasons !! u split even if its a nasty , rough one !!
Its not the first time people , he was previously married but got a divorce , and he was charged for domestic violence by his ex wife !!
Clover is a public figure , we cant tolerate a guy like him in porn , we are in 2014 !! we can change things for the best not for the worst !!
like i say its strange , u will never understand this kind of behavior , christy mack , many people warn her of war machine , hes a very dangerous man but still she was dating him , posts lovely pictures , happy times , playing with animals etc etc dont they look happy ?? But what happened ?? Real shit !! she got a hell of a beating !! she could die !!
and she never posted pictures of physical abuse , bruises , she had when she was with him as a couple not after !!!
Edited by - kobbie2Hottie on 11/25/2014 7:37:34 AM
Quorrl
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Posted - Nov 19 2014 : 4:56PM
I suppose this is alluding to Ryan Smiles / Ryon Cherry
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Posted - Nov 19 2014 : 4:57PM
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yes I did
Well a Judge condemned him , I believe some facts have been confirmed , it is safe to assume the accusations were true.
As to assume that he have beaten any girl he was with , well none of them filed a claim as far as I know and this is why he's been punished relatively lightly.
That he broke up with several girls means nothing , I did that too, but I've never hit a woman (apart in bed when requested)
as for believing or not she and other stayed with him , actually this is typical in an abusive relationship , the abused lives in fear and often actually thinks it is all her fault
I like him as a performer , but this won't for any second make me forgive any abusive behaviour , it's a thing that should be wiped out of this planet, the sooner the better
Edited by - LCF on 11/19/2014 4:59:20 PM
Quorrl
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Posted - Nov 19 2014 : 5:06PM
Well, Jessy Jones has been said to use some choking against women off set, himself...
http://business.avn.com/articles/video/Kendall-Karson-Pledges-More-Charity-Work-510048.html
Of course, this article presents only one perspective.
But in the case of Clover we do have more than "he said, she said": we have a judge examining the case, and from it, a sentence. That weighs a little heavier than usual "facts on the internet" (even considering that the judicial system can make errors, ofc).
kobbie2Hottie
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Posted - Nov 19 2014 : 5:21PM
Thank you lcf !! i really appreciate this kind of answer !! some considerations for this woman !! some thoughts for her !!
i know clover has a fan base !! but what he did was extremely wrong guys , foul play !!
As for the girlfriends it was meant for jessy jones , hes the one with a lot of girlfriends , destiny dixon , kendall karson , rylinn rae !!
Its not like jenn marie is a drug abuser , nothing of that sort !! who goes berserk with clover when he returns home !! no !!
Hes the one who cant control his rage , when hes high , hes got adrenaline fully pumped hes the one who goes berserk , crazy , madness , violent towards his girlfriend !!
By the way only jessy jones , and his toyboy wrekin russian stood for him !!! and atmla of course !!
I didnt see any tweets from the girls !! saying some positive thoughts about him !! nothing of that sort !!
The girls work for the money , yeah its fully comprehensive even if they know the guy is a criminal / bad guy / rogue !! if they got booked with clover they cant refuse even if they know what kind of man he is !! stiff competitive these days !!! to be a porn girl !!
Think about it guys , that woman could be your sister , niece , cousin , and u would still think clover is a good guy but with a violent behavior !!!!
Seijuro
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Posted - Nov 19 2014 : 5:34PM
Ironic that his name is "Clover" with this bad luck. lol He's probably done in the industry, too.
 
TDTxx
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Posted - Nov 19 2014 : 6:12PM
you both are correct.. she also facing drug-related charges as well(hence the reason she retired abruptly)
as for Clover..it seems him and War Machine have something in common
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Posted - Nov 19 2014 : 6:51PM
Unfortunately, I seriously doubt that.
JC_Denton
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Posted - Nov 19 2014 : 7:19PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Danny Mountain involved in a similar case a while back? That guy has, as far as I can tell, returned to shooting.
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Posted - Nov 19 2014 : 9:24PM
Thanks.
JB_X
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Posted - Nov 20 2014 : 1:04AM
Yes, and so have a handful of other male performers that work regularly. I guess reliable male talent is that hard to come by.
JB_X
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Posted - Nov 20 2014 : 1:15AM
Yeah, what are multiple charges and convictions compared to positive twitter posts about him from the person he was abusing. This is either totally ignorant about domestic violence or purposefully naive because you like dude's scenes. Give me a break.
kobbie2Hottie
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Posted - Nov 20 2014 : 4:21AM
Nikki benz and jenn marie - clover victim , ex girlfriend are friends , dont know how close they are but they are friends .
jenn marie wanted nikki benz to come out and speak for her , coz nikki is a popular pornstar , but as u know nikki is one of many POPULAR pornstars !! Nikki has chosen to remain silent in fear that this could affect her career that is on a high positive note since her comeback !!
We can understand nikki , shes not a lawyer , not a social welfare worker shes just a pornstar , and she didnt want all that shit to stress her more imo
Because nikki knows that clover has built quite a reputation among directors !! so they wouldnt believe her !!
But here what has been said from nikki from a chat between her and jenn marie -
clover real name - Casey !!
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kobbie2Hottie
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Posted - Nov 20 2014 : 4:30AM
Clover is sicked !!!
Cant u see guys , he likes to play the victim then after he continues to beat his girl !!
Clover is a maniac !!!!!
Please put all your feelings aside for him as a fan of his work !!
He beats his woman !! It can be one time or a thousand times but he beats his girlfriend !!

Rosco Fuji
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Posted - Nov 20 2014 : 6:16PM
^ First off man, learn to use proper grammar and punctuation will you please? Secondly, what's your whole angle on this guy as you seem to be the only one carrying on about him?
Magnif
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Posted - Nov 20 2014 : 8:19PM
It doesn't seem many people in the industry is talking about this publicly so he'll probably be back. I'm sure he'll be a quite a few no lists tho.
 
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Posted - Nov 20 2014 : 11:04PM
Am I the only one who doesn't care? Last I heard Danny Mountain once was in jail for domestic abuse but people don't talk about him...and he is still booked all the time.
Pretty sure Jessy is still with Destiny.
StellaTLX
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Posted - Nov 20 2014 : 11:05PM
I still don't understand why Morgan Lee would stay with him after everything he's done.
The Ghost of Cal Jammer
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Posted - Nov 20 2014 : 11:55PM
at least he'll have primo spank bank material while in the clink. his memories of fucking jynx maze alone should do him solid for the 4 months he's in.
kobbie2Hottie
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Posted - Nov 21 2014 : 3:49AM
Rosco fuji , First and foremost, My grammar and punctuation have nothing to do with the topic we are discussing . Next what's your whole angle on me as you seem to be the only one carrying on about me for my GRAMMAR LOL ????
This forum isnt about good spelling , grammar , syntax , punctuation lol Did u know how many people make mistakes on how to spell etc on this forum , why dont u correct them one by one ?? and for your information many people dont speak english as their first language here !! we can still understand what they mean though !!
As for the danny mountain case ,he admitted he did some bad things and he said he had a problem with alcohol !! He attended AA classes !!He did all the things the court ordered him to do !! But it was his first marriage !! and he didnt have any criminal record before unlike Clover !! Eva angelina did have her share of contribution and responsibility for their marriage to end that way !! Eva isnt a saint either !! She admitted she did drugs was an alcohol abuser herself !! She can act like a crazy bitch when she wants !!
Danny mountain career took a huge blow after his divorce , he works mainly for pornpros now !! During his start of his career he worked a lot for brazzers and N.A , Got the A-girls !! He was very popular !!
He has dated angel dark and now married to mia malkova . Eva angelina dropped all the charges !! so i dont think hes a violent guy or a maniac , bad guy by nature !! And if so he wouldnt get to share custody of his daughter !! He would be deported by now !!
Now hes focused !! Because he was living the delusional life of L.A before - EASY sex , drugs , money !!
Edited by - kobbie2Hottie on 11/21/2014 3:58:58 AM
kobbie2Hottie
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Posted - Nov 21 2014 : 4:27AM
Its not the first time for clover !! He has been in these situations before !! He was charged for domestic violence by his ex wife !! Now by another woman !!
Yet has he changed for the best ?? nope !! He said he attended anger management classes . He didnt learn his lessons !!
He threatened his girlfriend jenn marie a lot of times in order for her to remain silent !!
He is so good at playing the victim !! he wears a mask in public , dont show his true colors but behind closed doors when he is with his girl !! shit happens a lot !!
Try to kill an innocent dog just because it soiled his carpet !! cant u see the guy is sicked !! why would people do that to him ??
Is it just a mere Coincidence that morgan lee ended in hospital while dating clover , being in couple ??
The girls work with him by obligation , because they have no choice !! its money lost at the end of the day !! stiff competitions nowadays !!
Clover can be a very intimated person when he wants !! Even his buddy jessy jones is scared of him !!
Clover is sicked and a maniac !!
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Posted - Nov 21 2014 : 2:12PM
Clover is a great performer but if he is a woman beater don't want him tucking my pornstars
danl
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Posted - Nov 21 2014 : 6:10PM
After learning that Clover, tried to drown his own dog for peeing on the carpet, I sincerely hope that Bruce, along with several other inmates at the LA County Jail, will be able to conduct a few therapy sessions of their own, and thus, "widen," Clover's, "ASSinine," perspective toward women and helpless animals.
samia
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Posted - Nov 23 2014 : 2:09PM
Should change his name to Clobber or Club-her.
Edited by - samia on 11/23/2014 2:09:53 PM
Lezlover
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Posted - Nov 24 2014 : 4:51PM
Never heard of this guy, but he looks more like a pretty boy than a tough guy. Women beaters should be put down just like the rabid dogs that they are. I think it's safe to say there will be people inside prison who's gonna want to find out just how tough he really is and with those girly looks he's definitely gonna be someone's bitch.
Edited by - lezlover on 11/24/2014 4:52:46 PM
Lezlover
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Posted - Nov 24 2014 : 5:07PM
You don't believe he's a killer and you're right, he's not...yet. But from what I've read on this thread and with his track record, it's only a matter of time. the guy obviously has something wired wrong in his brain and with this sort of repeated behaviour it's only going to end one way, someone's death. Either by his hand or someone else's in self defence.
Oh and have you never heard of battered wife syndrome? You said it yourself 'Too scared'. When there is that much fear, the victim will do anything to avoid more abuse such as putting on a happy face, using make up and doing everything the abuser says without question.
What you need to do is look past his big dick and see the man for what he really is, an abuser
Edited by - lezlover on 11/24/2014 5:19:17 PM
 
kobbie2Hottie
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Posted - Jan 8 2015 : 11:47AM
clover !!!! released from prison .
MythMaker
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Posted - Jan 8 2015 : 1:05PM
I for one, have a zero tolerance policy toward abusive people - men or women.
This issue will come down to the consumer. Should he get work, then don't promote or consume it.
Ideally, producers, directors, and performers would put him on a "no" list. This industry is about fantasy, fun, and pleasure. Misogyny is built in, though. It would be very difficult to do things collectively. Individually, we can all make a conscious choice.
I love women. I will not support a man convicted of domestic abuse, if that is indeed, the case.
Peace to all. Adult entertainment should be fun.
kobbie2Hottie
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Posted - Jan 8 2015 : 1:10PM
Clover should step down from porn , we dont need that negative and bad publicity .
But there are really some crazy crazy ppl in this industry . They might use him these crazy crazy directors .
Edited by - kobbie2Hottie on 1/8/2015 1:12:23 PM
Derp22
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Posted - Jan 8 2015 : 3:12PM
Regardless of what he did, it'll be interesting to see what companies continue to use him. Personally I couldn't care less. Danny Mountain once beat up some girl but he's still regularly booked.
pervybrit50
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Posted - Jan 8 2015 : 4:21PM
So does his advocate Jessy Jones-he seemed to get more work after choking out Kendall Karson & having a restraining order filed against him. Porn producers tend not to care what kind of psychos they book.
whatsatelephonebill
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Posted - Jan 8 2015 : 5:15PM
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Producers don't care because consumers don't care. If people started actively boycotting him (or any performer convicted of domestic abuse) enough to make a difference, companies would stop using them.
kobbie2Hottie
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Posted - Jan 8 2015 : 5:35PM
Jessy jones is a very clever guy . He managed to slowly get the trust of some directors but not all . He likes to tell lies to everyone in this business . Thats the way he operates . Very smart when u see his mode of operation .
Clearly theres a reason why hes on the no list of many girls . There are many back stabbers in this business . lol . A lot of hypocrites . 2 Face .
kobbie2Hottie
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Posted - Jan 8 2015 : 5:44PM
Each performer in this biz belongs to a clan of directors .
Everyone in this biz are Big time a$$ ki$$ers . No Exception - Clover , jessy jones are very good at it and they took fans for dumb people who idolize them and their dicks . Thats the way it is .
Thats why when a director tells them any of time of the day to hang out with him U NEED TO SAY YES SIR - Clover and jessy jones - yes men !!
Clover has one talent he is a master at fooling people , put them in his pocket .
He beat his girlfriend go to prison , then come out - business as usual .
TPL
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Posted - Jan 8 2015 : 5:49PM
Hard to know about this stuff if you dont hang on this forum more or less.
But i always had a wierd feeling of that Jones dude, never could stand a scene with him.
Clover i dont remember when i watched him last time. But i stay away so far i can now.
kobbie2Hottie
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Posted - Jan 8 2015 : 6:13PM
jessy jones i was totally wrong about that guy . I thought he was one of those good guys but no a highly trained manipulator . Now i know
clover and jessy jones are 2 disgusting pigs who take fans for dumbass shit !!
jones hangs out and defends a woman beater like clover .
rylinn rae , kendall karson , destiny dixon can reveal the true personality of jessy jones .
Edited by - kobbie2Hottie on 1/8/2015 6:15:27 PM
Lezlover
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Posted - Jan 8 2015 : 6:44PM
You couldn't care less. So what are you saying really Derp, that you're OK with violence against women?
pervybrit50
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Posted - Jan 9 2015 : 2:24AM
Most fans don't know-War Machine was all over the media everywhere. But who would know about this kind of stuff unless you visit these kind of forums? The only people to blame are the companies-by booking women beaters & not taking the HIV/Aids problem seriously. Female performers are being exposed to men with a history of violence on these sets & they are the stars-the guys are just there as a random penis.
kobbie2Hottie
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Posted - Jan 9 2015 : 2:45AM
Jessy Jones aka Mister douchebag . That guy is a first class douche bag - Money over bitches lol . Straight from his broken ass canadian town .
Look what he thinks of gays in general . check jones twitter he likes to talk shit on other peoples back but wont name them .
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JackSparrow
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Posted - Jan 9 2015 : 3:00AM
douchebags ,but in the end lucky enough to fuck the girls we dream to fuck.that makes me kind of sad
pervybrit50
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Posted - Jan 9 2015 : 5:54AM
1. If you don't want to be in a porn parody then why moan about not being in them?
2. Because you are a skinny bald dwarf who doesn't have lead role looks. You might get lead roles for small US companies, but DP, Wicked etc? Forget about it
3. Since when has acting ability had anything to do with porn-really good porn actresses? Chanel Preston, Dana Vespoli. Mz Berlin-struggling to think of any more at the moment.
kobbie2Hottie
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Posted - Jan 9 2015 : 6:34AM
Clover woman beater and his bro douchebag jones think that without them there would be no porn . Get the fuck out . They think they are some gangster homies they aint shit .
When his bro clover was in prison man jessy jones was silent mouth shut now clover is back man he feels a lot more stronger more confident to talk shit on others back .
These 2 likes to spit shit saying some girls are escorting , whats your fucking problem ? they hate gay studs like chad white , seth gamble , anyone who has done gay before .
We dont need these 2 douchebags in our industry , they manipulate women and trick fans !!
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