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Walter Burns
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Posted - Jul 22 2004 : 12:48PM
What is the commercial value of classics in this day's market? I am asking this question specifically because I never see them in the rental sector of the stores I go to. Only new stuff (post 2000) seems to make it in the rental market here. Why is that? I fucking hate it (although I have different sources for classics available to me).
For a good understanding, I live in Europe. I only rent porn, never buy it. This means I can't rent on-line (is that still true? no renting business on line in Europe?)




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Posted - Jul 22 2004 : 12:57PM
You are usually hard pressed to find classics in stores unless they have a section dedicated to them here in the US. Most of the time you just see the latest stuff which can sometimes be months old.
ObiBong
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Posted - Jul 22 2004 : 2:36PM
I'm not sure what the nature of your question is, Walter. Are you asking what the perspective of a store owner might be, as far as how profitable it is to carry them?

The online rental and sales outlets I use have good selections, and I do make use of them. However, if I were to examine my rental pattern, I would find that mostly I'm viewing movies I remember seeing in the old days, not seeking out old Bridgette Monet movies I missed (note to self: get to work on that). So a lot of it is nostalgia value for me.

Surely the classics do have value to retailers, or they wouldn't keep being issued, I suppose. Video-X-Pix has been throwing a lot of titles out in recent months, it seems. Somebody must be buying them.

Walter Burns
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Posted - Jul 22 2004 : 3:32PM
Yeah, but I want to know why I can't find them to rent in Europe.
Could it be a distribution thing? Maybe classics are mostly being released by companies which have hardly penetrated the European market?
When I look at some of the 'merde' that gets shelf space, I tend to go nuts seeing what I am missing out on.




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Posted - Jul 22 2004 : 5:41PM
I think, you have to look at the average consumer at the video rents... I have the impression that they are looking for the latest picture quality - no films that are looking old.
Currently when there are pictures from the Tour de France of a few years back, when they had those funny looking time trial bikes I get the same feeling that they probably have watching classic porn movies.
 
baronorca
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Posted - Jul 22 2004 : 9:21PM
In the B&M retail market (from what I have seen) there is a huge market that is either being ignored (by companies like Vivid) or being fucked over (VCX & Arrow). VCA is actually doing an OK job. I hope the owners (companies) of classic porn titles wake up one day.
Walter Burns
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Posted - Jul 23 2004 : 11:53AM
Might be. Although I have the feeling that the average consumer hardly knows anything about what is on the shelves.
And neither do some of the retailers whose shops I visit




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Posted - Jul 23 2004 : 12:02PM
Walter, have you asked your local shops about classics?

When I talked to a shop here they basically said they buy $x a month and the distributor sends them any titles they want.

Mr_White
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Posted - Jul 23 2004 : 1:36PM
Puuhhhhh, the commercial value of classics nowadays? That´s a tuff question. Really is.

Guess you´ll have to take a closer look at the large picture, when trying to answer this question.

Commercial value would be the value a storekeeper gives a title, right?
Storekeepers do not intend to show off and/or present large collections of classics nowadays (although I remember times when it appeared to be this way and I absolutely liked these times). Storekeepers want to make profit. Or, to be more precise: As much profit, as possible.

So here is the point where the consumers comes into the scene. What kinda stuff does the average consumer want to rent? As you already guessed, nowadays the newest circus clown acts tend to get 100 times the attention a Golden Age Classics gets. If you take into consideration that retailers price for a brandnew title is often even cheaper (because of the large discounts that come along with the new stuff) than retailers price for a Golden or Silver Age Classic, it´s a simple kind of arithmatic that will answer your question: The commercial value of classics is 100 tomes lower than the commercial value of a brandnew release.

But, than again, it all depends on the consumer, doesn´t it? If you want your rental store to start carry classics, you´ll have to ask for these titles over and over again. There won´t be any guarantee that the storekeeper will follow your request, but on the other hand, the more requests, the more likely it may be.

Joey Starr
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Posted - Jul 24 2004 : 7:38AM
It would help if classics were professionally transfered to the DVD format, with extras, commentaries, etc...

Most of the time they're butchered, lousy image quality, some scenes cut :you get the picture.

There is a market for the porn conoisseur but studios don't seem to understand this.

Edited by - joey starr on 7/24/2004 7:38:25 AM

Mr_White
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Posted - Jul 24 2004 : 9:34AM
Joey,

regarding the subject of an existing market (although rather a niche than a real market, nowadays) I fully agree with you. Hence it could make some sense to re-release classics for those who have the distribution rights for the old material.

But, again, the profit oriented market will most likely not let it happen. First of all, "extras", were to get these from?!? I mean at times when nobody was even thinking of something like DVD, nobody cared to film any extra material. They filmed what they needed for the feature and that was it.

And "quality"?!? Of course it should be possible to perform hi-quality transfers which would lead to top-notch classics, but the price for these kinda transfers is so high that nobody who works for as much profit as possible would even consider to re-release high-quality classics.

Sad, but true.

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Posted - Jul 24 2004 : 1:33PM
Plus you have to consider the existence of masters still around. I suspect for many classics that the original masters no longer exist. Sometimes the edited masters, some were edited back in the mid 80s, might be all that remains. Arrow has talked about the problem they have had finding suitable masters. For Deep Throat the masters were confiscated by the government. The found a rejected projector master that they were able to use for the DVD master. There was also some problem with Satisfiers of Alpha Blue and them having to use something other than the original master since it was no longer available. I'm sure other companies are having the same trouble when it comes to releasing classics.
As far as extras, like Mr_White said, there isn't much available these days. Extra footage is sure to be lost by now, many performers are gone, making commentaries hard, those that are still around are usually attached to another company, which might make it hard to get them for a commentary track.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the classics get lavish releases with pristine video quality, unedited films, tons of extras that relate to the film, but I understand the financial side as well and I suspect in many cases that is just unfeasible.
Walter, I'm sorry I appear to have completely regressed from your original question, so to get back on track to what you asked, I think that the classics are a forgotten market. When I was younger (roughly 9 years ago) and I rented mostly there would usually be one video store in each area with a huge selection of classics and the rest would just carry current films. Usually you could go in and rent a copy of the current film with no problem, as for the classics, those stores had a hold system since the titles always rented right away. You'd put your name on the list and each time it came in they'd call the next name on the list to come pick it up. If you didn't make it in within 48 hrs, they'd go on to the next name. That indicates there was a market then for them, I can't believe that it has dried up over nine years. My only assumption is that either the video stores aren't aware that they are being released or that they don't think there is a market for them. I suspect if they tried they'd find that they would rent frequently, especially once word got around that they were building a classic collection for rental.
Zoid
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Posted - Jul 24 2004 : 7:01PM
Walter, maybe we should start business in Benelux. Online porn DVD rentals. Maybe partner with erovideo.nl or something. There seems to be a hole in the market. Hmmmmm........... $$$$$$$
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Posted - Aug 2 2004 : 9:58PM
Every month, when I review affliate sales reports, I am surprised at the number of classic titles that sell on my site. It's not the biggest category, but it's a substantial percentage. And it's not like there is a lot of discussion or reviews of the classics either. I can only imagine it is older people who remember them fondly.

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