I'm sorry..just ignore me. It's that this thread strongly resembles one that was made several months ago. :)

It was a very good thread and had valuable info..I suggest doing a search. It's worth it. I learned through that thread that now condoms in porn is so acceptable for me.

It's very vital and important I find considering AIDS is at a all time high and so are other sexual diseases.

The performance of the penis with it's transparent raincoat on does a good penetrating performance for me.

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kenjt - We've had a number of topics in the past that touched on this subject. That's what sonic is referring to above. Here's a few that I found with a quick search. I'm sure there are a few others too.

Article on Empire from Diesel
VCA and condoms
older VCA and condoms with a little extra drama thrown in for good measure
AIM Healthcare newsletter post

hope that helps.

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I guess I understand your sentiment kenjt, but I would really rather look past the condom than try to look pat the news of so and so has been diagnosed HIV positive.

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I guess I assume it asks permission from us to enter the adultdvdtalk thread library archives?

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Dude: Did, like, Satan send you guys?

Violator: How come God hogs up all the good followers and we get all the retards?

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Condoms in Porn

I can understand kenjt not liking condoms in his porn (I also find them a distraction), but I also realize there are bigger issues than just our own personal entertainment.

Diesel

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- Saki

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In which case, may I suggest that kenjt take a look at Anabolic and Diabolic Videos if you want sex without rubbers.

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That is why I love it.

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- Saki

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What will come next? Rubber sucking or safe facials? Oh Christ! Then we can really look back wistfully to a golden age of porn never to come back.

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Whiplash, current tests are not 100% effective and your $25 doesn't give you any special rights to force people to endanger their lives. I see where you're coming from though and a lot of people agree with your general sentiments.

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Seriously, though, pornstars are people too, and I would hope that you can understand that their safety has to come before your enjoyment.

On a slightly different tangent, if a porn star does get HIV, who pays for all the meds and treatment? Do porn companies offer medical benefits? If not, porn stars would be absolutely crazy not to use condoms.

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JoeBlow69, as I’m not a Roman emperor during the decadence in which case I would have bluntly stated that my enjoyment rules the world I have to admit that, yeah, that’s it…I agree.

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OK, so Marc was caught. But WAY too late. And there have been a few cases of guys forging their HIV tests to be able to work. Luckily, they were negative anyway, but it's not that hard to fake a xerox copy of a form.

HIV isn't the only thing to worry about. Right now, in the States, the performers only have to get tested for HIV. As opposed to most of Europe where they also get tested for a couple other STD's. Herpes and Hepatitis are really common.

As joe said, other people who take risks in their careers often choose to take measures to limit the effect of those risks.

And to answer your question, whether it's hiv, or a case of gonorrhea, there is no such thing as workman's compensation in porn. The performers better have had health insurance, because they have to pay all the costs. (As do I.)

I understand that porn is suppossed to be fantasy. In Hollywood, many companies have gone the way of special effects so that stuntmen don't have to do quite as dangerous stunts. Until it's possible to make the condom disappear through the magic of editing, I for one will look past the condom and pay attention to the emotion of someone getting fucked really hard.
As a director, I almost feel like a hypocrite for LETTING a girl do a scene without a condom. But it's her choice, and I would never make her use a condom anymore than I would make someone do a scene without one.

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About Marc Wallice, there's always Luke Ford's feature.

I don't know, there is something troubling in the vehemence of the rants against condoms in porn, and the tone (not as overt here as in some discussions on RAME). Perhaps there is an atmosphere of spite or resentment towards porn performers among a sizeable segment of the people who like to watch the stuff.

Edited by - Reason on Jun 10 2001

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Although actors may be there for our entertainment they are human beings , and equating them to professional athletes really belittles the fact that AIDS is about dying, it's not a broken limb that will heal.

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I think that the analogy of protective equipment in sports is a perfect one. They used to use leather helmets in football. Today, if someone decided to wear one of those helmets in a game, they would lock him up for being insane.

As far as porn is concerned, I know that the fact that some people have died or have gotten sick in order to entertain me certainly makes watching it less enjoyable. If an epidemic should break out on a large scale, I'm not sure whether I would be able to continue to be a fan.

I agree with Tricia that the decision to use a condom or not should be the choice of the performers. Unfortunately, from what I have read many of the companies that have this as their "official" policy, still put pressure on the performers to "choose" to work condom free.

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Mainstream actors Vs Porn stars: Tricia and Bill are correct. As soon as some of you demand that hollywood actors perform all their own stunts or you'll refuse to buy their movies too, they are professionals after all, I'll see the evenhanded way you are looking at things.

All of you are right in the sense that only you know what you like. I, for one, care about people. I don't "have to care or think about" people, I do because it's part of who I am. I, for one, acknowledge that AIDS and various other STD's are incurable at this time. Thousands of people are dead because of them-many more to follow. If some starlette doesn't care about her safety, that's fine but I'm not going to pretend that companies don't pressure performers, given some of the comments here and elsewhere, to go bareback.

Spend your money as you see fit. Just don't act all indignent when some people care about the performers once in awhile.

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I use condoms in my life, I'd never shag a girl I've just met without one, so I wouldn't expect the same for anyone else.

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If people don't buy films that feature condom use, do you really think the companies will keep this as their policy? If you don't like condom use, don't buy the film - it's really that simple. This is the only way to enact change. Porn is a business above all else. A producer's number one concern is the bottom line. If their is no money, there is no producer. Of course there are exceptions (some producers may really care more about performers) but will the exceptions be working if they don't bring in any money?

I'm not trying to start a revolution here; I'm just pointing out to those who want condom free porn need to act. If you buy porn with condoms, the companies will keep making it. If you'll eat it, they'll feed you. If you don't like it - don't eat it!

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I'm sure I've said it before, but I think condoms can be used more erotically than they currently are in adult movies. There are plenty of women who know how to put a condom on a guy - it can be an erotic moment rather than an awkward one.

That said I think porn can be a mix of real life couples who don't need to wear condoms, performers who have to for their safety, and perhaps a 'clean pool' of performers who take the extra step when it comes to testing (for all STDs) and not sleeping around outside of porn. I don't understand why these tests are photocopies and not stamped or notarized or something. The clean pool sounds like an unrealistic concept, but there are performers that have been in the industry a long time - these are the candidates for a in-depth screening process - some of them are even in monogamous relationships outside of work.

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