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The directors with RLD seem to have had (before the exodus) a faster rate of releases, but it wasn't bad for what it was. Stylistically as well as castwise it allstarted looking the same though.

What you really need to pay attention to is the directors of the movies. With company owned lines they might not be credited, or it might be credited to somebody else. But with the director owned lines, the level of quality will be consistant.

If anything, it is the directors with larger per movie sales that can have the better bankrolls. This can translate not only into more time editing (and more skilled editors) but better camera/lighting work and make-up.

Edited by - croy on 4/22/2007 5:55:44 AM

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I think there have always been those pornagraphers who thought there was a quick buck to be made with poorly shot, substandard porn. That also creates a glut, though not of any product I would want.

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I remember when Seymore and Shane came out, and how that was the hottest porn. When I managed my video store, this was huge, I can tell you that I could not keep them in stock. Then whoosh, a whole flood of this POV gonzo style. But still I could not keep Seymore and Shane in stock. I can tell you that people know when its just formula.
On the otherside of it. Porn like any other buisness is consumer driven. People dont buy the product, it dies. It's like everyone slams Britny Spears, as having no talent and being a public train wreck, so who's buying all her albums? Its not the fault of buisnessmen or pornographers, if there is a glut, its on the shoulders of the consumers, and the consumers alone. They make what we buy.
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Its difficult to tell the big guys from the hacks.

Anyone can edit video and sound now on a pc and start making money.

The big guys take the heat because they are most visible.

I think it leads people to stick w/ what they know and not trust anything thats new.

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I heard the "you're gonna be the next Jenna" type of approach from Jules. So, he relies on the work of others (in this case, trying to get a naive young woman to agree to a gangbang, that will put her on the road to becoming a big star) to make his money off the backs of underpaid performers who fall for the "your gonna be a star" routine.

The people at the bottom of the food chain--the women, are the most poorly paid, but are also the most important to the success of any adult production. If Jules had been honest, he might have said: "I want you exclusively so nobody else will see you before my releases; I don't want to pay you more than 1k per scene; I want anal, and gangbang anal, and gangbang and kink from you; I'm going to make you work hard. And when it's all over, you'll will still be unknown, possibly burned out, and then you can work with any agency you want." That'd be more honest.

I like his movies though, very good and creative.

Edited by - fundo on 4/25/2007 2:44:17 AM

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Without the larger companies, distribution of a given line would be more limited as new lines struggle to get sufficient distribution. More operating expense is spent on sales reps because there are more small companies with less product each trying to get into the larger market place. Efficiencies of scale exist for a reason.

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Hey, I've been doing my own thing, not in porn, but Jules, if you think that these girls don't talk to their friends about the deals porn directors like you propose then you are misled.

I'll post this in a new thread since it's off-topic here, but since you called me out, Jules, it's time to put you on the spot here--you can reply to the new thread or not.

Edited by - fundo on 4/25/2007 2:39:48 PM

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However, it behooves me to think that anyone can excorciate company owners for being businessmen. Porn is a business.

Shit, I can't watch Hollywood movies anymore because it's so corporate and generally watch foreign movies because they tend to be more 'real' particularly the ones coming out of South America and the Fifth Generation of Chinese directors.

The best option for most and those I admire is to start their own companies or, if they're lucky and not prone to cookie cutter status, is to lock themselves with real ownership deals with companies who's presidents actually are true pornographers.

Life is a risk. Business is a risk. I can't knock any company owner that treats his company like a business in order to make money.

Shit, I've shot so many movies where I actually lost money in the long run but that was my decision to do so. Fortunately, other ventures made up the difference.

Porn is a business but the best porn out there are the ones where the companies care about each and every movie and allow the best directors to shoot with their own creativity.

But to knock company owners as simply businessmen is naive at times. It's not up to me and I probably shouldn't say this, but there are alot of businessmen out there that make poor decisions. After all, we all make poor decisions at times, don't we? We're human.

Ultimately, it is the consumer who'll decide what they're going to buy or avoid. If they don't want cookie cutter crap, then you'll see it flushed down the toilet as they choose to buy quality over McPorn.

Chico

Edited by - Chico Wang on 4/26/2007 10:39:28 AM

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Jules has a stellar reputation within the industry.
He sure as hell didn't earn it by screwing people over and taking advantage of performers!

Enough already.

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When u were in Diabolic, did they force you to make that many porn releases every month?

i love your innovative style...like oral consumption and the no swallowing allowed..

Did u ever feel they squeezed you artistically, so much u got tired of it and quit.

p.s. r u going to start your own company?

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Regarding starting my own company, I'll keep that to myself and keep you posted. I have alot of investors and alot of money myself. But right now, I am rusty and trying to get a hang of the new HD world and shooting for some big named people. I hate jumping around company to company. I know freelance directors that seem to be in 10 companies a year. I am more concerned about being a part of a family where I have freedom to do what I want.

My decision to resign from Diabolic was a business decision. Simply put. I have nothing but the highest respect for the owner but it was simply a business decision. On top of that, I was burnt out and needed the two months off after feeling like a gynecologist and proctologist for years.

Edited by - Chico Wang on 4/26/2007 11:16:07 AM

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I wish you would've asked that customer what he meant by corporate porn. All porn still has an "indie" feel if you ask me, even the highest budget ones. Simply cuz the highest budgeted pornos have nowhere near the budget of mainstream Hollywood stuff.

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The quality of porn has dropped over the last few years due to companies cutting cost thinking the only way to sell your product is to bottom out. This is not the strategy that will last long term. You see some of the biggest companies now resorting to repacking the same old repetitive stuff with no concept of what the consumer really wants.

In the long term if prices remain low and the quality of product doesn't improve the consumer will not buy it. Look ahead to 5 years how many companies today will be around. Who knows?

At the end of the day your name only takes you so far, long term you need have strategies in place with the most important providing the customer with what they want. If you need to sell at $30-$35 then do it, if you have a superior product it will sell.

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