I just rented this recently although it's been out awhile.How can I go wrong with Missy,Jasmine and the ferocious Roxy Jezel?
I was a bit curious if anyone else mentioned this,during a dp with Steve Holmes,Steve has sort of an armbar going on Roxy's neck.I don't know if it was planned,but she passes out,comes to and says"did I pass out?"I've seen stuff with Belladonna and others,but this sorta came out of nowhere,like she didn't expect it.
Of course I'm sure papa Holmes has the utmost concern for girl's safety,but I've never thought intentionally making some one pass out to be a healthy thing.Naughty Steve!
On the other side,this movie was scorching.My only complaint was although the 3 girls mentioned get DP'd lonnggggggggg and hard and in a minimum of 3 positions,(yes,here it comes)we get NO crotch shot.UNFORGIVEABLE!!!!!!!!!!!If not for that this dvd would have been almost perfect for me.
Oh,and the passing out thing too,I worry about my cock socket obsessions!Careful Steve!
God hates us all, you know it's true, God hates this place. - Slayer 1726 Posts 10/03
Posted - Feb 3 2005 : 10:54PM
I don't think I'd call Steve Holmes a 'psycho'...
And to add my 2 cents, I can't wait to see it. I dig choking and I trust Steve and his actions. If you've ever seen the man walk into a room, he knows what the ladies want, hence the reason they all love him.
Whether he's a bully or a sweetiepie is not an issue. Breath play is f*cking irresponsible. Anybody who says they "know what they're doing" when they play this game, don't. Otherwise they wouldn't be doing it. It's dangerous and should be banned from porn. Just my 0.02 Euros.
God hates us all, you know it's true, God hates this place. - Slayer 1726 Posts 10/03
Posted - Feb 4 2005 : 7:30PM
Agreed, it's dangerous, but isn't A LOT of porn? Anal can be dangerous - tearing Non-condom sex can end up in STDs or worse, HIV Throat fucking can end up with a girl having a popped blood vessel or something..
My point is if the girls and the guys are willing to allow these things to go down why not allow it. I don't think everyone should like in necessarily, but banning it because it's dangerous? If that's the case then we will end up seeing all condom, missionary vaginal sex...
Maybe I have a different view on things, but my wife likes to be choked during sex, so I do it. Some times she just wants a firm hand on her neck but no choking. I just can't see stopping something consenting adults do. For example there was a thread here about movies with girls puking in them. Who am I to say that should be banned because I don't subscribe to that fetish?
It's pretty easy to see,although the incident is quick.Roxy's head just kind of falls forward on to Steve,she comes to with that"Where am I?What happened?"moment of confusion and asks"Did I pass out?"I think Mike Stefano says something like"do you know where you are?".
I would assume it was planned,maybe she didn't know when it would happen,of course it would be irresponsible to do it without a girl's consent.
I didn't call for it to be banned,I just don't think it's a smart activity.Anyone care to prove otherwise?
I don't buy these"consenting adults"arguments.Consenting adults aren't necessarily intelligent or responsible adults.Yes,they can do whatever the hell they want.I'm just saying it's an odd thing to see,a porn star getting fucked and then see her unconscious.
Because breath play can go wrong without any noticeable warning. If anal or throatfucking starts to get painful, stop!
HIV is another silent killer. I'm not sure what should be done to minimise the dangers there. Personally, I can easily accept condoms. But as I don't think I could accept dental-dams, I can understand why others would have a problem with condoms.
In private? I agree.Neither do I, but I would expect the puking itself to be fairly harmless. The same may not always be the case for the measures used to induce the vomiting though.Me neither. His movies for PXP sound much too rough for my liking, but he's always come across as a friendly and professional performer in the scenes I've seen, as well as online.
That things get rougher than I personally care for, is apparently just par for the course when shooting for the gonzo-only companies, but if girls really start passing out in movies, and aren't simply acting, I do think the director is crossing the line.
God hates us all, you know it's true, God hates this place. - Slayer 1726 Posts 10/03
Posted - Feb 5 2005 : 8:57AM
DP, I was replying in reference to Kperv
Kperv, very well. I see your points and they are valid points - not ones I necessarily fully agree with, but valid
I will say most of Steve's stuff, well what I have seen, isn't all that rough, it just seems this one had a choke out incident.
I'm curious what some would say about 'Mr. Pete is Unleashed' - Although I didn't see the scene, I hear Pete double chokes Melissa Lauren and picks her up OFF the floor as he does. That is a little excessive in my book, but again as I have stated often, I know Melissa likes it so I'm cool with it.
In the scene with Roxy we haven't planed choking her out. I go with the flow. But I know most of the girls I shoot in my movies pretty well. I know what turns them on and what turns them off. Roxy Jezel LOVES to be chocked out.
I only get rough with girls when I know they like it. It turns me on to see them having pleasure.
When I shoot a scene I don't think: "Let's do this or avoid this to sell more copies". The sex in my movies is as spontaneous and intense as possible. The result will be different every time depending on the performers and the mood they are in at this specific moment.
Like I said,if the girl is ok with it,then so be it.Still a weird thing to view.It's not a normal everyday thing like double penetrations.
As I've said before Steve,that's what I like about your scenes,they have their own energy depending on the girl and what she's into and what she can handle in the moment.
As I mentioned with Cum Guzzlers 2,I guess it just turned out to be a mad DP party.But I still think YOU should put out your own DP line!The stuff in Cum Guzzlers 2 had longer dps,and more variety(minus a few camera angles)than alot of so called DP series!
Except of "Anal Romance" which is only one on one and my upcoming POV movie, you find a lot of DPs in all of my movies. I personally like variety, that's why I mix up the scenes in my movies.
I don't know precisely what that poster meant by "dangerous". But theoretically speaking I think that poster was speaking to "choking" being a much more immediate hazard to the "girls" life. More so than something that results in just an injury or something deadly but long-term like HIV. After all a "guy" could accidently "choke" a "girl" to death and there's no "therapies" (i.e. drugs, diet, and exercise) to treat death, once your dead your dead. Also, I'm no doctor but what about brain damage? Couldn't "choking" lead to brain damage? It's not deadly but is potentially life shattering. One may or may not fully recover from a brain injury. What "girl" would consent to risking becoming a drooling "vegetable" in need if care 24/7? Again, like I said I'm no doctor but still...
God hates us all, you know it's true, God hates this place. - Slayer 1726 Posts 10/03
Posted - Feb 8 2005 : 8:42PM
I'm not saying it's NOT dangerous - it is, but again I stand by my statement; Everything in porn is dangerous. I also stand by my (and Steve's word) with saying these are adults who like this, leave them be, they are hurting no one but themselves (if you want to see it that way). As for choking to death, highly unlikely. You have to apply a bit of pressure for a while to kill a person - most choking Steve and other I have seen do is more or less just heavily restricting airflow - not cutting it off totally. Now in the case of this movie it was probably cut off totally hence her passing out. Now on the brain damage thing I don't know.... I think there has to be a bit of an extended period with no air for brain damage to begin. Also if we want to attack choking for brain damage, lets look at tobacco and drugs too - both have been linked to brain damage
Posted - Feb 2 2005 : 10:11PM
